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A Few Firefox 3 Followups
An anonymous reader writes "Using data generated by the Mozilla Firefox download pledge page, the map on this blog post ranks countries, not by absolute number of pledges made, but rather on a per capita basis. This analysis yields some interesting conclusions about where open source is strongest and weakest."
Anonymous Warthog writes "That didn't take long. In a blog posting from the TippingPoint DVLabs security team (of Kraken and CanSecWest hacking contest fame), they confirmed that they reported a vulnerability in Firefox 3.0 to Mozilla a mere five hours after it was released. Additionally, there was a posting on the Full Disclosure security mailing list from someone that purports to have another vulnerability in the works as well. In the grand scheme of things, this probably means nothing to the general security of Firefox, but you can be sure the browser zealots on all sides will be watching carefully."
Finally, from reader Toreo asesino: "Microsoft have congratulated the Mozilla team by sending them their second cake (minus recipe) to Mozilla's Mountain View headquarters to congratulate them on shipping FireFox 3, which went live right on time last night." Congratulations are indeed due on both the browser and the release process — looks like the Firefox fever (despite some seriously taxed servers) resulted in more than 8 million downloads in 24 hours.
I gave up yesterday after a few too many server errors.
That said, the map of countries is pretty cool. Ignoring the island micro-nations (the Falkland Islands won with 2% of 3000 people pledging to download), it's interesting to see how high Firefox penetration is in Eastern Europe. I wonder if that's a function of very connected economies without a lot of love for Microsoft and a strong desire for free software?
Oh, and good luck to the Firefox team trying to save the "E" logo from this year's cake! That thing is HUGE!
What happened to backslash?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Don't bash it if you haven't used it. FF3 will do it's best to migrate all the add-ons and stuff you have on FF2. If the add-on isn't compatible, it will tell you when it is.
Adobe has routinely hit greater than 10 million downloads per day.
There are other companies as well. Hell, what about MS updates? How many of those bastards get downloaded on Patch Tuesday?
This is a fake attempt at a record.
It wasn't very smart to encourage millions of downloads when it was very likely there would be bugs.
The map referred to in the summary is already slashdotted - that, or I'm having troubles with my internet connection. Both are equally likely...
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
...and indeed everyone that contributed towards FireFox project. You have set the bar very high for others to follow, and more importantly, you have proved that OSS model can be both financially prosperous and highly desirable to normal users too.
And at the end there was cake too!
throw new NoSignatureException();
THE CAKE IS A LIE.
Nope, it was slashdotted. I would have liked to see it too. Looks like I pressed F5 about 5 minutes too late...
Nah. It saves all that stuff for you. It even saved my session from FF2 to FF3.
This browser is much more responsive than FF2. My performance in Gmail is much improved. The memory leak was not fixed, but it was finally addressed it seems. The memory usage still creeps up very high, but it takes much longer to reach the point of a performance hit than before. The memory leak was/is my biggest issue with FF and as far as I can tell with FF3, it may be only a minor annoyance... which I am happy to have when compared to the numerous Force Quits needed per day with FF2.
Invexi - a Phoenix, AZ based web design and web development company.
Would they have gotten to their goal if they hadn't had so many server outages? Seriously, how hard is it to make sure you have the iron to support your stated download target?
steampunk web design
Have the big bugs been fixed? Or is this just a mostly cosmetic release?
For years, Firefox has been the most unstable program in common use. Somehow the management of Firefox development has been that the big difficult things don't get done. Are things different now?
PS: I composed a long reply, but since Slashdot won't let me post as AC, I had to login... and then I pressed cancel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey! Guess what, Einstein! It's FREE! So if you've tried Open Source and don't like it, then it's really no great loss to you, is it?
I mean you show up at their website when all kinds of news outlets are running stories about firefox download day and the website doesn't even say that download day starts at 1 EST. What kind of amature shit is that?
Yes, they underestimated demand and probably have a little egg on their faces. But Firefox WORKS! And it's FREE! So what's your problem?
Oh, and it's spelt "amateur".
Then you finally download it and it's full of security holes. What the fuck?
No, it has A security hole. It will be fixed. Someone will find more holes. They will be fixed. So don't use it. Whatever the hell works for you.
I put more effort in to jacking off than these clowns put in to their "Record Download Day". What an embarassment.
Perhaps this explains your short-sightedness and/or blinkered vision. And your obvious frustration. Maybe keep it in your trousers for one day, see if you feel better then, eh?
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
"The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. "
I guess the cake is a lie ?
My UID is prime and so is this number: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0.
http://www.firefoxmyths.com/
Should they have waited when there were no bugs?
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
What hope is there for Linux taking over the desktop when the main application has no install instructions online for easy reference?
Since I run Fedora I obviously do not need any instructions whatsoever, however, they would be nice. I know what the command line is, but what do I type into it? I doubt that will be difficult to figure out, however, blow me down with a feather if I can find install.html on the Mozilla site.
Any clues for the Fedora command line?
I don't close my browser down that often and I expect all 39 tabs to start up if it stacks it, will FF3 pick up my 39 tab FF2 session to 'restore', or do I *have* to save all tabs as bookmarks?
It's actually not just a memory leak. It is a CPU hogging bug, also.
Since that bug is now 7 years old, and still not fully fixed, I suppose I should post my list of Firefox developer excuses again. The list is not complete. There have been other excuses that I haven't had time to add to the list.
Firefox Developer Top 20 Excuses
for Not Fixing the Firefox Memory
and CPU Hogging bugs.
These are actual excuses given at one time or another.
I managed to get connected; but the map is kinda boring; just black on white.
Strangely, it also looks exactly like the letters "Error establishing a database connection".
I downloaded Fx 3.0 at about 4 or 5pm, EST. Not only was the download flawless, but it came at a 1.13MB/Sec. I have a pretty standard Roadrunner cable connection, so this was by far the quickest download I've ever seen.
I guess they had some problems for an hour or so, but it seems they cleaned up pretty quick.
Well of course there was no recipe-- that cake was a proprietary, closed-source dessert.
Height: 38U, Weight: 0 Newtons, Eyes: #0000FF, OS: Gray Matter 1.0 (Alpha)
Since the vulnerablility also affects FF 2.x, I'd say whoever discovered the problem waited to disclose the issue to rain on Mozilla's parade. So waiting to release 3.0 would have been pointless since the Mozilla team didn't know about issue.
Posted in 2006, and that's about 50 years in computer time.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
Really, if you didn't have the story behind the photo, you'd think that the IE Team was congratulating itself for shipping IE.
Memo to MS: When you give someone a cake, it only makes sense to put the RECIPIENT's name on the cake. I mean, you're recognizing the shipping of Firefox. Why didn't you put a Firefox logo on the cake? That's the object of the celebration.
One of the strengths of Firefox for some time has been that right out of the box, the binary just ran on lots of Linux versions. With FF3 (starting with betas) they broke this.
A non-trivial portion of the commercial and research Linux user base has to stick with EL4 or a source rebuild from CentOS, Scientific Linux or whatever because of third party tool support requirements. And not everybody wants to upgrade their OS just because a new browser is out.
FF3 requires a pretty new library (libpangocairo 1.0). I spent an hour trying to come up with it this afternoon for my 100+ users. No luck so far.
The firefox team really let us down big time. We've been anxiously awaiting this release because it's supposed to solve the memory bloat problems (several of us here have to restart the browser several times a week because it's consumed insane amounts of RAM).
Nah. Classic Microsoft.
They set DefaultLogo OnCake to "Blue-E".
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
I guess that open source is strong on the site called Slashdot; the database just got Slashdotted.
Speaking of internet browsing, Opera 9.50 just came out as well. Has full text history search and my favorite feature...Opera Sync. I opened 10 of the same internet sites with Opera and Firefox 3 and compared the memory imprint, FF3 was 10 mb greater. Opera was already configured to grab a ton of my RSS feeds, so I believe without RSS feeds bein pulled 9.50 could have had a good 20 mb on ff3.
Just wanted to shed some light on a lesser known, but in my opinion, very good browser.
Trying to install linux on my microwave, but keep getting a kernel panic...
I've just overridden compatibility on the extensions I'm using (using the Nightly Tester Tools extension) with no problems so far.
Most extensions tend to work fine if you do this, but as always YMMV. It's rightly not a default option because it could screw up a profile for a less confident/techy user who wouldn't know how to fix things.
Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates M'dna wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Oh, 8 million all set to exploit? What was the marketshare for Windows again? 91.13% according to Wikipedia. Now figuring that there are around 1.2 billion Internet users which figures to at least that many computer users. I would have to say that the odds are higher of exploiting one of the many flaws in IE which is slower to patch and who's users are computer newbies. With Firefox whenever a toolbar somehow pops up most people know something bad has happened, with IE it is seen as "just something a computer does". Oh and don't forget OS versions, I bet that a lot of the people downloading it were Linux/Mac users and they are harder to exploit to run malicious code on (yes you can destroy the home directory and perhaps add in a keylogger but that is about it).
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Riiiiiiiiiight, German nazi bots! Sure, and the numbers for US are Photoshoped, right! Give it a break. It was a happy day for the Open Source community, leave the analysis of the records for the Guinness guys and be happy for Mozilla! Cheers!
And, since then, Safari for Windows came out.
Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
I've noticed a few minor rendering differences in Firefox 3 from Firefox 2 in terms of positioning. Does anyone know if they made rendering 'improvements', or if these are bugs that need to be logged?
Every software has bugs, be it written by Microsoft, Mozilla, the Hacker living in his mom's basement, or even by RMS or Linus Torvalds. It is a fact of computers. Now the good thing is, a fix will be released quickly, and if you really feel like it you can patch it yourself, compare that to IE, Opera, or Safari*. Basically, no development method is perfect, but open source comes close to eliminating all the bugs and if you are complaining then write up a patch.
*Yes, yes I know the core of Safari is WebKit which was forked from KHTML and you can get the source to that
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Wow, you just don't get how IT works do you? Here's the most commonly used design pattern, to help you on your way:
As opposed to Internet explorer, which comes PREINSTALLED BY DEFAULT and is filled with tons of bugs, too?
see the cached page:
http://eaves.ca.nyud.net:8090/2008/06/18/firefox-pledge-map-pledges-as-a-of-population/
Math is beautiful... e^(pi*i)+1=0
Oh fucking shit? Already? Douche, the fucking security hole was released 4 hours after the product was released. An open source product where anybody could have seen the code at any time. This is nothing but strategic fear mongering. Your Firefox will download its update in a day or so and you can go see your tentacle porn safely.
Occam's razor is the blind faith in the natural selection of least resistance and in universal oversimplification. -- EF
"June 17, 2028. Firefox 2.9.948 released. Soon we'll go to 3.0 RC1!"
And why am I suddenly reminded of WINE?
Buyers for computer parts often have to keep lots of tabs open.
Anyone doing research that cannot be finished immediately needs to keep tabs open.
I'm very tempted to switch; I am particularly eager to get the enhanced javascript performance.
But I installed the Beta on my son's machine, and was shocked at the 'awesomebar'. What a monumentally bad idea, implemented in the most annoying of fashion! It is seriously the one factor keeping me from switching.
Evidently there used to be configuration options to turn it off in the about:config window, but those have been removed, in a nearly microsoftian attempt to force users into behaving how the designers wish. There is an ad-in I found that reduces the awesomebar so that it looks similar to the Firefox 2.0 version, but it still searches 'intelligently', i.e. unpredictably and unintuitively.. Is there any fix for this due out?
The other thing holding me back is firebug... does that have a 3.0 enabled version out yet?
Be prepared to never release, then? All software have bugs, it's a fact of life. Good development practice can minimize this, but never eliminate entirely. Not to mention that FF3 already went through 2 RC's prior to this "gold" release, so one cannot say that they haven't gone through the proper quality assurance routines.
yah the code for a lot of the final product has been available for years.
Warning, if you are using firefox 2 clear your history before upgrading to firefox 3. Tools->clear private data does delete the "history" but seems to keep everything from my FF2 history in the awesomebar. I have everything checked in clear history options except for passwords.
Okay, don't be ridiculous. Do you think there's ever a time without bugs? You know that there were several release candidates? And you know that it'll auto-update to 3.0.1 (or whatever) when they put out a patch in a day or two, right?
Why would they wait until many people had already downloaded it?
Has anyone else had the mysterious "cookies disappearing" problem?
Neither of the RC's, or the Beta 5 that I tried had this problem. I have googled and it seems a few other people are having the same problem, but I've yet to find a fix.
It's really quite annoying. I've tried loading up in Safe Mode (no extensions), but even then my cookies just "vanish", seemingly after a random amount of time. I'm also having a problem with Foxmarks (endlessly syncing but not actually syncing), but I guess the Foxmarks devs will bang that one out soon.
Overall my followup is I'm not too impressed. Might just go back to RC2...
Sex. Drugs, and Unix.
Maybe they want to try to beat the download record again, when all those people come looking for the patches.
I told you so! So now we have what? 8 million suddenly vulnerable machines?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
In the sake of adding a comment strictly for fluff and doing it without posting as an anonymous coward, the least we could do is say thanks for all the work you guys did. Mitchell Baker's speech was more than on par with where our minds and hearts should be. A free and open Internet to express one's thoughts, regardless of how misguided they may be, is a right we must protect. Congratulations on a job well done. Keep up the good work.
Never mind the whole Release Candidate process. Seriously, security researchers waited until release day to start looking for the bug?
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Corale cache worked for me, but it seems sluggish now.
downloaded version
Lameness filter prevented me from pasting in the text.
> It's actually not just a memory leak. It is a CPU hogging bug, also.
> Since that bug is now 7 years old, and still not fully fixed, I suppose I should post my list of Firefox developer excuses again. The list is not complete. There have been other excuses that I haven't had time to add to the list.
A) What do you mean "the" bug? Memory leaks happen in most non-trivial programs. And some of it isn't "leak" so much as "You're browsing lots of porn. It has to store it SOMEWHERE in memory."
B) It's nice, responsive & fast. They have a new cycle counter which killed pretty much any memory leaks serious enough to get noticed. Most of them were with extensions, anyhow (e.g. people using Adblock instead of Adblock Plus).
C) Why don't you actually try it before trotting out old troll lists for karma? There haven't been serious memory issues for people using non-buggy extensions in ages.
I can't speak to vulnerabilities, but, I started it about 24 hours ago, parked tabs at slashdot, cnn, and weather.com, and after 24 hours, it's taking 674MB of memory...
Nice job, guys...
First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then they send you a cake.
Then you pay your ISP for 8 million downloads.
Then you profit???
What are we doing again?
Where did that come from? You guys need to get a life.
But I thought market share had nothing to do with this?
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
Isn't this one of the reason that bit torrent exists?
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
The cache has been slashdotted :-(.
Now that I've downloaded it - I will delete it:)
Just kidding - planning to install tomorrow and review my add-ons compatibility...
With the new awesome bar I've found myself using bookmarks a lot more effectively than I have in the past. Until now my homepage has always been a list of some what organized page of links. What I'd like now is something a bit more dynamic making use of bookmarks, folders, and possibly the tags that they're given. Anyone know how I might accomplish this?
Or is poster trying to say there is actually some 7-year-old bug where firefox uses too much CPU, and will write a 20-point rant about it but not even post a link to bugzilla? And somehow firefox uses 100% cpu even after the process has been killed? Come on. The guy's system is hosed, how is that Interesting?
Complaining that since mozilla recommended some extensions that somehow all extensions should work together and not cause problems and mozilla should be responsible for other people's code is just dumb. The post should have been modded flamebait.
Its been available for quite some time.
yawn you trolled the other story with this already.
IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
They did that to some extent with 1.0, which was only a minor change from version 0.9.8, but which was considered a big deal (for a project as minor as Firefox then was)
Where do I download the source code for these Adobe and Microsoft products you're talking about?
A lot of the complaints about the Awesomebar have been that bookmarks which have not been visited show up in the results. Luckily, there is now an extension to make the Awesomebar show history only.
Also, if you are not sure what the point of the Awesomebar is, Mike Beltzner recorded an informative 2-minute screencast showcasing what the Awesomebar can do.
Finally, Support Firefox Day is this Friday, which will include interactive video workshops and Q&A about the new bookmarks features. Several Mozilla developers will be in attendance, so it is a great chance to voice your opinions. The new bookmarks and history API is very flexible, so extensions will no doubt make it better.
...there is another Mozilla browser, it is called Seamonkey and works just great. Give it a try for a few days, you might like it. A lot of people prefer it over FF, and you don't have to install the full suite, the stand alone browser is available. And FWIW, I never see this memory hogging bug people talk about that they get with FF. Well, I also restrict Flash severely, I am sure that helps.
Good god, we've slammed their poor servers hard enough. I can just see this:
21. Bugzilla is slashdotted and I can't even read your bug report.
It came from the journal he linked to. Evidence of the real owner of this account is detailed there for anyone to see.
> You guys need to get a life.
As opposed to you, correct?
Damned thing broke lots of my Add-ons. Even though I installed FF3 in a separate directory, the stupid thing keeps the extensions in the *same* directory, even though they're incompatible between versions. Firefox Developers: If you can't release a new version without breaking add-ons, don't release a new version at all. If your API is that fragile, you need to understand what APIs are. I'm back at FF2.
Webkit itself is also open source. From what I understand, Konqueror and Epiphany are both evaluating the use of Webkit and have had a "proof of concept" build made with Webkit. There's also Arora, a simple Qt 4 cross platform browser built on Webkit.
This is here so you don't ignore the last two lines of my posts.
In any case you'll just blame everything on M$ and carry on with the same useless drivel.
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
Please understand why MS sends the cakes!
The cakes doesn't mention Firefox or Mozilla in any way, but very clearly IE. Hence, MS sends the cakes not to congratulate Mozilla, but to get Mozilla to advertise for IE.
Very clever move by MS!
... a bit off topic but here it goes...
Total Downloads 9,525,757 as I write this...
Imagine if every person donated 10-25$ cents, or a dollar for every US person... how much good could this kind of cash do.
People can get together to do great things but just can't seem to find a worthwhile idea sometimes.
When I look at your account, all I see is Twitter posts. This can't be by chance, please go away.
We haven't properly slashdotted a server in years.
Servers got more powerful, bandwidth increased, and the number of users on slashdot declined. Do the math.
The server outage is either unrelated, or due to another site.
Of course, it is a bit odd, considering that we've had two or three "slashdotted" articles in the past day, and hadn't had any for quite a long time before that.
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
Extensions. It would be really amazing if they figure out a way to get extensions without significantly increasing the size (even more so if they could somehow run firefox plugins, although this is probably impossible) and somehow figure out a way to promote it the way firefox has (maybe even sponsor a few popular plugins).
Stephen Colbert just gave Firefox 3 the Colbert bump on his show.
sorry for my comments, I'm drunk
Um. of course microsoft kinda forget what happened to the last person who said that :P
although on another note they did make one hell of an improvement visually over the last cake. Its now more colorful and everythings all rounded....just hope its not as weak taste wise as the last....
Let's road test the instructions for the application that matters most to Linux. Do they work, could they be more succinct?
./firefox (with path or else the browser launches). I did this as root with the browser closed down. This came up with an error that xhost+ could not fix. This error could have said - 'you are running as root, hit CTRL+D and try again' but it did not.
1) The download.
The site defaults to the download option. Why would you try anything else?
The installation instructions are don't say what you do thereafter, and simple distro specific lines, e.g. "type 'yum update fedora' as root" are not given as an option without digging around on the site. Hence...
2) Unpacking and running the installer. I unpacked the tarball, hopefully to find a INSTALL.TXT inside:
tar xvf firefox-3.0.tar-1
ls
cd firefox
ls
more README.txt
This was to a URL that redirected back to square one - the page with no useful instructions. Several clicks later I found them:
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Installing+Firefox+on+Linux#Installing_outside_of_a_package_manager
Silly me for not finding that page before unpacking the tarball. I followed these to then try to run the installer -
I then tried enabling all the depositories for the 'yum update firefox' route as well as the package manager search. This did not work and held me back by some time. I gave the command line a try as a normal user. Note that 'yum' is run as root - I expected FF3 to have an installer that would be the same or an error message that made things clear.
The instructions lead me down the command line route. Nowhere was I told whether I needed to close down my existing browser session or not. The use of the folder browser was not suggested either.
The quicker way is with the folder browser:
Download tarball. Extract it to the home folder.
This will create a 'firefox' folder.
Open it with the graphical file browser and double click on the 'firefox' icon.
Choose to run this in a terminal window and you are all set.
Now, I know what you are asking, what happened to the 39 tabs?
Miraculously they all loaded again with FF3, unscathed.
That's hilarious, I was going to say exactly the same thing to you!
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
Seriously man, I've been watching you and your sock puppets for some time. Am posting AC now, to save my karma (and so I don't get some shill named after me).
Twitter, and it is you -- we can all tell, you need to take a step back and look at your life. All this anti-Microsoft bollocks and shilling can't be doing you mind tank any good. You _need_ help, honestly. If you weren't so fucked up, you could be such a great force for good in the Free software world, don't throw it away.
This is your wakeup call. I'll post this again, next time I see you sockpuppets in action. :)
The title preview on the 'Awesome Bar' really annoys me, I don't really like the websites I visit to show up in big bold letters (Mostly political stuff etc) for my whole office to see! Has anyone figured out a way to disable it?
I found this video for disabling the "awesome bar"'s auto-sort (which I actually like), but it still shows the big title preview (which I don't like!)
mmmm sexymagicalgirl
Dude, stop linking to your own post.
Gaping security hole? You mean this? Sounds like a dupe of this hoax.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Gecko-1.9 actually has a propper accessibility implementation for *nix, see this page for the details on using firefox with Gnome/Orca.
Yes, I do use Linux for most of my daily work, and it's mostly okay, although for GUI things at the moment, windows still beats it hands down. See here and Here.
Quoth the AC:
Let's see if they post stats on the number of people who download 3.0, try the "AwesomeBar", and immediately revert to Firefox 2.
I'm going to guess not so many, given that despite deliberately installing FF3 in a new folder and a separate location on my Start menu, attempting to run my old FF2 installation just loads up FF3 anyway. Way to go helping the web developer who needs to check a site works in multiple browsers, FF team.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Is available, and has been for quite some time. You just need to click on the "releases" link on the http://www.getfirebug.com/ site. Or just go directly to the extension page: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843
That's kind of a weird perspective, to begin with. OK, economic disparity in the world is bad, mmmkay ... but wouldn't it be kinda pointless to download a browser if you didn't have the Internet connection to, um, download anythi -- er, ah, my head asplode.
I think the point here is that, sure, open source is helping with the world's problems, but it's not solving anything on its own. No reason to act all mumbly and ashamed about it. The coders are doing their part. The real problems in Africa have a whole lot less to do with closed-source software than with corrupt African governments -- as has long been the case.
Breakfast served all day!
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
But to a hacker, your home directory is utterly worthless. Unless they plan on stalking you, your pictures mean nothing to them, and hopefully you don't have your credit card numbers in a file creditcards.txt. As for a keylogger, that would be bad, but I doubt that it would run at a level not to be noticeable.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Yep, however none of the browsers are in Ubuntu's repos yet, and I assume that Konqueror would use WebKit as it is the natural continuation of KHTML and using the same renderer as Safari would get them recognized as a real browser (rather then the file manager that just happens to have a built-in browser)
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
In any case, people who are aware of lesser known browsers like Opera, Safari, Elinks, and Konqueror probably won't use user agent sniffing, and good riddance.
This is here so you don't ignore the last two lines of my posts.
Okay, I'm being a sap and jumping on a top post. So sue me.
/., I predict the first three replies to be snarky :D
Does anyone know if there is a Fx3 plugin that can synchronize all the plugins across all your O/S installs, to make sure that you're using the same set on all of your computers? I've got two work desktops, and both my laptop boots (Ubuntu, XP) and then there's the new laptop I hope to pick up when Uni Fall semester starts, so I'ld like to not revert to pen and paper...
Obviously thanks in advance, but this being
Snark away fellas (and ladies, as present)
2^3 * 31 * 647
The plans have been on display at your local planning office in Alpha Centauri for the past fifty of your Earth years...
Should be up and running now. Has been cached. Try it again: http://eaves.ca/2008/06/18/firefox-pledge-map-pledges-as-a-of-population/ Here is where the map is: http://eaves.ca/2008/06/16/firefox-3-pledge-map-vs-barnetts-the-pentagons-new-map/
Though the "untitled frames"/"windows unexpectedly destroyed bug (#263160), which has been present for perhaps 3+ years is still present.
As are a host of other problems. Including a lack of catching memory allocation failures, a lack of handling large numbers of tabs (which use Javascript), and extremely slow restart times if one is restarting a large session (lots of windows and tabs).
I believe this was just an attempt to push a new release out the door without sufficient attention to quality control. If I were in charge of the Mozilla organization, I would have serious questions about continuing to employ the managers of the project.
(And I'm not just some know nothing idiot spouting off. I was the Unix Product Development manager at Oracle Corporation from 1982-1987.)
This may have been said before but I think that it is important enough to risk being modded redundant. Others may disagree but I found the awesome bar a PITA within two minutes, rather than endure it or revert to the old firefox I decided to change it, if you want to do the same read on. Type about:config in the soon to be slightly less awesome address bar and agree to the disclaimer. Look for browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped and change the value to true and you will lose any form of dropdown when you type an address. Alternatively you can look for browser.urlbar.maxRichResults and set the value to 0 but this will still show one item, or as others have said use the oldbar plugin (although this isn't quite such a complete solution).
I suffered through Firefox 2.x, 3 is so much better it's like a different application.
On my work platform (Windows), it's rock solid, fast, and *always* running.
1 18.25 ounce package chocolate cake mix.
1 can prepared coconut pecan frosting.
3/4 cup vegetable oil.
4 large eggs.
1 cup semi-sweet chocolate chips.
3/4 cups butter or margarine.
1&2/3 cups granulated sugar.
2 cups all purpose flour.
Don't forget garnishes such as:
Fish shaped crackers.
Fish shaped candies.
Fish shaped solid waste,
Fish shaped dirt.
Fish shaped ethyl benzene.
Pull and peel licorice..
Fish shaped volatile organic compounds
and sediment shaped sediment.
Candy coated peanut butter pieces, Shaped like fish.
1 cup lemon juice.
Alpha resins.
Unsaturated polyester resin.
Fiberglass surface resins.
And volatile malted milk impoundments.
9 large egg yolks.
12 medium geosynthetic membranes.
1 cup granulated sugar.
An entry called 'how to kill someone with your bare hands'.
2 cups rhubarb, sliced.
2/3 cups granulated rhubarb.
1 tablespoon all-purpose rhubarb.
1 teaspoon grated orange rhubarb.
3 tablespoons rhubarb, on fire.
1 large rhubarb.
1 cross borehole electro-magnetic imaging rhubarb.
2 tablespoons rhubarb juice.
Adjustable aluminum head positioner.
Slaughter electric needle injector.
Cordless electric needle injector.
Injector needle driver.
Injector needle gun.
Cranial caps.
And it contains proven preservatives, deep penetration agents, and gas and odor
control chemicals. That will deodorize and preserve putrid tissue.
If your past use of all the other accounts is any indication, we can expect this one to end up the same. And then I'll remember to post a link to this thread so you can bask in the enormity of your lies.
The cake is a lie!
Not to be too pessimistic (as usual), but... should we really be happy that 8 million people immediately ran out and got a brand new version release on the first day? A bugfix I can understand, but, a new version?
Open Source or not, a massive, sudden adaptation of a new version without a shakedown period is generally not a good thing. I, for one, will be waiting at least a few weeks before upgrading, as I always do when new software is released.
Thank you! Time after time I've heard people proudly proclam.."You can't get viruses on Linux. Because you don't run as root." Let's see how long they say that for if a Linux distro ever becomes more popular on the desktop than 'not really very popular at all'.
Perhaps lost in the hoopla over Fierfox 3 impressive new features set is the html5 video support which did not make it into this release
read on for some observations about the mozila html5 video situation.
drachenstern: I assume that you mean Firefox add-ons, not plugins (since plugins like Flash, etc. would be OS-specific), and as far as I know there isn't anything that does this currently, but this seems like an awesome idea for a Weave add-on.
Weave already provides sync features for bookmarks, history, cookies, saved passwords, and saved form data; without looking into it, it seems that what you're asking for is a logical expansion via the add-on framework that Mozilla Labs appears to have in mind.
Students coming home from high school is a plausible explanation.
The counter isn't really "Live". It just seems to update every 30 sec to give a new overall count and then JavaScript fakes the "Live"ness with the counts per second value. Similar to how Gmail's available space is continuously counting without any network activity.
Unicode in Slashdot
First link points to a preliminary data. There is the latest update on download statistics: http://ehsanakhgari.org/mozilla/downloadday/stats/pledge-ranking-by-country-population [ehsanakhgari.org]
Right, time to rename my file to NOTcreditcards.txt . That'll fox them!
I have no sig yet I must scream.
Why didn't they file a bug _then_????
Just smells like cheap attention seeking on their part...
oh HAI, I heer you has cakes
I can has some? i has foxfire for u
okplzkthxomfgbbqponies!!!!
I am happy for mozilla, I don't know why my comment was modded flamebait..but I guess thats why I posted anonymously because people take things the wrong way. I love firefox, I have used it for years. All I was saying is that I thought it was a bit suspicious the downloads jumped from 300 to over 4000 per minute within 2 minutes. Why is someone running a bot to download it thousands of times so unthinkable? I was just pointing it out because I thought it was interesting.
The story will be repeated and repeated until no one snarks it?
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
Let me recap your understanding of a "clever move": sending a big cake to a rivaling company with the logo of your own application (which comes with ~90% of the world's desktop OS) on it, to get free advertising.
Clever. Yea, I can see it now.
laxatives!
... on my ubuntu Hardy box when watching flash content. It's a shame.
@Kuraaku Deibiddo:
Yeah, you see what I mean (I never bother to keep straight on the proper terms for those, as every browser uses a different term _it seems_. If I say add-on to an IE dev, they think it means anything in the browser, etc). But yeah, I do mean add-on, so that it is O/S unspecific.
It does seem like a natural extension of what's already being done, doesn't it? I've been checking around with some other dev teams, so maybe there will be some competition on this front in the marketplace directly, so to speak... Time will tell.
2^3 * 31 * 647
I would have thought that most Linux users would wait for their distro to produce packages to download, and Mac users would mostly use Camino, or Safari.
The last line left me ROFTL.
The good news is, you can download it.
The bad news is... you can download it along with all it's security holes, bugs, memory leaks, etc.
The even badder news is- all the hackers are gearing up their 0-day exploits, and once they have everything set up... your computer belongs to them.
Enjoy!
THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!!
Here's a tip:
Try typing "l" after the "s". This should reduce your list considerably.
If your list is still too long, follow up with "a", maybe "s" and "h", too.
Was making a new ISO image using nLite and Windizupdate yesterday when it turned out that the plugin didn't install automatically on firefox 3; not wanting any other surprises, I tried to download version 2 instead and simply couldn't navigate to it for the life of me!
(I did end up installing the windizupdate.com plugin using their installer.)
Safari for Windows has some serious security flaws that make it the about as safe to run on windows as IE 5.0
Oh come on. It's a friendly gesture by the IE team. It's the higher ups and the marketing people who are evil.
It's edible, right? Maybe Microsoft wants to poison the competition. Nothing else has worked.
Oh well. The cakes for Microsoft staff.
"after one hour or so, my FF process starts lagging a lot and need a restart, reaching approx 500MB memory usage."
MOD PARENT UP! Useful information.
MOD PARENT UP.
"I normally always have a Firefox window open and memory usage always climbs right up to 500-600MB."
"Once it gets to the point where it starts needing to page memory, it really slows the entire system down unless I shutdown Firefox and restart it. I can reproduce these problems on a daily basis."
Quote: "I am NOT going to use a debugger and trace out the problem (as they have asked me to do for them). That is THEIR job, not mine."
Google pays the Mozilla Foundation $50,000,000 every year to have Google as the default browser in Firefox. Seems like for 50 million Mozilla Foundation could do more than tell other people to do the work.
Something like this?
I never got cancer, so I don't believe cancer is a real disease. I think the people who say they have cancer are just trying to get sympathy.
And besides, heart attacks are worse, even if there is such a thing as cancer.
Very good point. Except that, whenever there are no Bugzilla links, there is complaining that the bugs have not been reported.
Besides, Mozilla Bugzilla does not accept visits coming from Slashdot. You have to copy and paste the link.
"In a commercial software environment developers will try the same thing until the manager tells them to cut it out and fix problem (US). Or he'll back them in return for popularity and the company will go slowly go bust."
"In the absence of any commercial pressures the developers can feed the users any bullshit they want and nothing will happen."
No one should forget that Mozilla Foundation makes $50,000,000 per year from Google for making Firefox the default search engine.