In fact, ubuntu does it too and so does Firefox. But that's not Mint being paid for selling the data, that's mint being paid to choose one search engine that serve ads over another search engines that serves ads. In short, the only way to not have the issue is either to use seeks ( but the current nodes may not be able to sustain the traffic, and this may not provides the needed quality level ), or not having a search engine at all in the browser ( which is just useless, since people will still use a search engine ).
On the other hand, I do not search on amazon every day, and I do not even type local query like "big boobs" in google if i want to search on my hard drive. So that's why people are pissed of. You can rationalize as much as you want, thinking this is the same, but there is subtle differences.
Well, trying is easy. Doing it right would be better. In fact, i am sure Canonical could be profitable if they didn't burn cash faster than a russian autocrat in a Las Vegas casino. For example, it was obvious that Ubuntu One would not work enough to be profitable. It was more expensive than dropbox, and supported less system. They managed to adjust the price, but they are still lagging behind. Same goes for landscape. Why they didn't figure sooner than no one sane would want to have a hosted version of remote control tool ( but they figured that it should be standalone ).
Or maybe using standard tools that are costing less money instead of Launchpad ( whih requires a team dedicated to have it running, while other distribution use bugzilla, which can be a pain to use, but that do not requires 10 person to be setup and managed ). Or maybe they could have chosed a less expensive location for their HQ ( ie, not one of the most expensive tower in London ). But they changed now again. The list goes on, there is no clear big errors ( not like Nokia ), but lots of small "we do not care about money, so let's burn it for now" type of errors. Death by one thousand wastes....
And in the mean time, they didn't "waste" money on working upstream, but more on having their own subsystem ( unity, upstart ), based on some less than optimal code ( like compiz ). For exemple, instead of writing usplash and xsplash, they could have waited on plymouth. Using selinux instead of apparmor, likely cheaper. So no upstream involvement, not enough inside skills to have a good support, and so not enough business clients.
In fact, the whole idea of having Ubuntu for free is fighting against them. Cause people do not see that Ubuntu has value ( it was always given for free ), and may not see they need to pay. Because, they fight against some of their own users, who have small shops doing Ubuntu consulting.
So yeah, they tried. They may not have fully failed, but that's likely not the success they were hoping for ( and I am sure Mark blame the financial crisis for that, instead of his own choice )
But RH do not get donation ( likely for taxe purpose, and because that's too tedious to manage right if you are a business ). You can try to give the to various SPI managed entity, to gnome, to kde. Or you can try the Linux fundation, the FSF, or a local LUG. I think Opensuse is now a fundation, that could be a option, Suse also has a good record of upstream contribution, even if smaller than RH.
If you want something supported for a long time, I would say Centos or Debian are the way to go. And if you wish to sustain developpers, you can either donate to Debian with SPI, or pay for a RHEL subscription, and that benefit to Centos, Scientific Linux, or even OEL, who are all clones of RHEL, and pay for jobs of many upstream developers ( http://www.redhat.com/promo/os-community/projects.html ).
And once adult oriented results while be filtered, someone will ask to remove blasphematory results ( like India/Pakistan ), then someone will remove gay related content ( if this isn't already removed as "adult oriented result", as often with such filter ), then someone will remove violent game ( like in australia ),then users will also ask to not see song they already purchased songs from the result, and then RIAA will ask to not show pirate song and mp3.
And then Canonical will be screwed to have deployed a censorship system, because it will be abused like the others. in the end, Canonical will not enven get enough money just to pay the system, let alone engineers to make new products.
Google do not give 15% of referral. In fact, Google already give money to Canonical for support while i am pretty sure they do not need to ( like they could simply hire half of Canonical engineers if they wanted ).
I am doubtful that most people pay Canonical for anything, since, you know, that's free and there is lots of cheaper and smaller shop to make support about Ubuntu (and also bigger shop).
In fact, people paid for Mandriva, they were starting to recover thanks to the Mandriva Club. Then Canonical came and said "we are giving this for free", so people went to Ubuntu. People also paid for Suse back in the time of the boxed set ( around 10 to 15 years ago ). And people also paid for Red Hat Linux before they switched to the whole RHEL business.
So who managed to spoil the game by throwing money to grab the market ? Oh yes, Mark Shuttleworth. And who now discovered he is in deep trouble ? The same Mark Shuttleworth. That's too bad, but that's like Facebook or any startup. If you do not plan for sustainability and even manage to destroy the business model of others, you just deserve what happen to you.
Using BSD, he would not have been able to use the free work force of all others companies working on Linux ( like Red hat, like Suse, like Mandriva ). And regarding the fact that GPL do not permit to stay afloat, it seems that Red Hat passed the million dollar mark, that Suse is doing quite well and there is lots of others companies doing well ( like the various group working around Drupal ). Let's face it, the license is not that important, if you are doing a crappy job, the license will not save you. I have seen GPL product failling, I have seen proprietary product failing, and there is example of working model around proprietary and GPL stuff, ( or even BSD for that matter ).
License do not matter as much as people believe from a business success point of view. That's like choosing your characters in WoW. All have their weakness and strength, and you can play and win with all of them.
Not sure if GPL v2 code can be linked to a proprietary module, so they would still violate the license, or be forced to say "the library is also free software" ( or use a ditry trick of using a library serving as "gateway" under lgpl linked to proprietary code ).
Go for it, mate project wait for your contribution.
I am still puzzled why so many people complain and why none of them just contribute. See the low number on https://www.ohloh.net/p/mate Or even to make package for various distributions. Or just test and enter bug, or stuff like that.
Granted, that's much more difficult than endlessly ranting on/. And much less lucrative than making a article to cater mindless users to see the ads ( cause of course, that's the whole point )
That was the result of a study by Sun ( I think ) in the middle of 1990, ie that using animation ( like the one used in cartoons ) helped people to figure the motion of object on the screen. However, I cannot find it anymore:/
Because they didn't ask you, you think they asked to no one ? You may have missed the various design document, the various blog post explained the design choice, where they did come from, and the various booths in various events.
I think people do not realize that when a disaster strike, most people have better thing to do than communicate in real time. When choosing between spending 2h for a press conference or doing a more urgent coordination work can be the difference between life and death for others, I think this is perfectly ok to focus on not losing lifes.
To remove the emotion out of the equation, imagine you having to finish a very important project. Will you focus on the project, or focus on doing meeting, filling timesheets, etc ?
Sure, if such disasters were routine, governement officials would be able to manage it. In this case, that was far from being routine and it was 2 disasters ( 1 for the nuclear plant, with the whole fear that this can produce (true or not, that's not the point, since fear was real) , one for the tsunami ) at the same time. And yet, people expect more informations, like real time complete report , in a easy to digest form ? I am not sure people do realize what "catastrophic events" mean really, and how this can affect concerned people.
On the other hand, rdp as a protocol is pretty neat, it can forward sound, it can forward disk. If I need to run a remote application, being able to take my local document directly is a handy feature. Spice is doing it at the moment, for linux so this can be done, but i would not say that X forwarding is much better in all case.
And since vendors are microsoft primary clients ( remember, you do not buy a windows license most of the time, you buy a computer where someone negociated windows license for you ), it would be rather stupid to screw your own clients. It usually doesn't end well, especially when competition ( chromebook, canonical ) are ready to provides anything to make you miserable.
yeah, that's like saying "sure free speech is part of the consitituion, but it can be changed so our liberty are endangered". Saying "this can be changed later" is a totally useless statement. Maybe saying "maybe the spec will later mandate a anal probe to start my computer" is equally as accurate, since based on non existant facts and still true, because we have the technology for doing that ( ok, not exactly, because there is no ready to use probe for that, but nothing prevent to build them ).
So sure, basing your present on whatever could happen without proof ( and i mean, real proof, not supposed one ) is idiotic.
Microsoft requires secure boot with UEFI because the whole industry for arm tablet already does, each with their own way. So the main point is to have 1 single thing to support, and not local variation, which make sense from a engineering point of view. Without stuff like SB on arm, I think Microsoft would have asked for a locked bootloader anyway, only to prevent movies copying and others demands that Apple surely make to the content industry. Without this, content provider would have said "no", and they would have lost a rather important competitive advantage ( if not a strategic one, since tablet are marketed as comsuption devices primarly, like "reading paper on the couch", or "watching streamed movies" ). Or even for non content related industry, there is games and Apple tout the fact that piracy is higher on Android to lure people into developping for their platform ( and thus get money when games are doing well ).
So face it, the battle was played when people accepted ios devices. The rest is just industry following those who succeeded.
So when Microsoft do not try enough to stop piracy "that's because they want to keep their monopoly at all costs", and when they do "that's because they want to keep their monopoly". There is a moment where logic should apply I think.
Why would they stop Microsoft and not Apple or Samsung or every people on the market who do this since years on their arm tablet and computer ( also called cellphones ) ? In fact, why do people care about Microsoft doing it and not Apple ? Where are all those protesters we are seeing on every website, why aren't they doing something radical like burning a Apple store ?
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In fact, ubuntu does it too and so does Firefox. But that's not Mint being paid for selling the data, that's mint being paid to choose one search engine that serve ads over another search engines that serves ads. In short, the only way to not have the issue is either to use seeks ( but the current nodes may not be able to sustain the traffic, and this may not provides the needed quality level ), or not having a search engine at all in the browser ( which is just useless, since people will still use a search engine ).
On the other hand, I do not search on amazon every day, and I do not even type local query like "big boobs" in google if i want to search on my hard drive. So that's why people are pissed of. You can rationalize as much as you want, thinking this is the same, but there is subtle differences.
( but yes, if Ubuntu die, Mint does too ).
Well, trying is easy. Doing it right would be better. In fact, i am sure Canonical could be profitable if they didn't burn cash faster than a russian autocrat in a Las Vegas casino. For example, it was obvious that Ubuntu One would not work enough to be profitable. It was more expensive than dropbox, and supported less system. They managed to adjust the price, but they are still lagging behind. Same goes for landscape. Why they didn't figure sooner than no one sane would want to have a hosted version of remote control tool ( but they figured that it should be standalone ).
Or maybe using standard tools that are costing less money instead of Launchpad ( whih requires a team dedicated to have it running, while other distribution use bugzilla, which can be a pain to use, but that do not requires 10 person to be setup and managed ). Or maybe they could have chosed a less expensive location for their HQ ( ie, not one of the most expensive tower in London ). But they changed now again. The list goes on, there is no clear big errors ( not like Nokia ), but lots of small "we do not care about money, so let's burn it for now" type of errors. Death by one thousand wastes....
And in the mean time, they didn't "waste" money on working upstream, but more on having their own subsystem ( unity, upstart ), based on some less than optimal code ( like compiz ). For exemple, instead of writing usplash and xsplash, they could have waited on plymouth. Using selinux instead of apparmor, likely cheaper. So no upstream involvement, not enough inside skills to have a good support, and so not enough business clients.
In fact, the whole idea of having Ubuntu for free is fighting against them. Cause people do not see that Ubuntu has value ( it was always given for free ), and may not see they need to pay. Because, they fight against some of their own users, who have small shops doing Ubuntu consulting.
So yeah, they tried. They may not have fully failed, but that's likely not the success they were hoping for ( and I am sure Mark blame the financial crisis for that, instead of his own choice )
But RH do not get donation ( likely for taxe purpose, and because that's too tedious to manage right if you are a business ). You can try to give the to various SPI managed entity, to gnome, to kde. Or you can try the Linux fundation, the FSF, or a local LUG. I think Opensuse is now a fundation, that could be a option, Suse also has a good record of upstream contribution, even if smaller than RH.
If you want something supported for a long time, I would say Centos or Debian are the way to go. And if you wish to sustain developpers, you can either donate to Debian with SPI, or pay for a RHEL subscription, and that benefit to Centos, Scientific Linux, or even OEL, who are all clones of RHEL, and pay for jobs of many upstream developers ( http://www.redhat.com/promo/os-community/projects.html ).
And once adult oriented results while be filtered, someone will ask to remove blasphematory results ( like India/Pakistan ), then someone will remove gay related content ( if this isn't already removed as "adult oriented result", as often with such filter ), then someone will remove violent game ( like in australia ),then users will also ask to not see song they already purchased songs from the result, and then RIAA will ask to not show pirate song and mp3.
And then Canonical will be screwed to have deployed a censorship system, because it will be abused like the others. in the end, Canonical will not enven get enough money just to pay the system, let alone engineers to make new products.
Google do not give 15% of referral. In fact, Google already give money to Canonical for support while i am pretty sure they do not need to ( like they could simply hire half of Canonical engineers if they wanted ).
s/do that/try to do that/
I am doubtful that most people pay Canonical for anything, since, you know, that's free and there is lots of cheaper and smaller shop to make support about Ubuntu (and also bigger shop).
In fact, people paid for Mandriva, they were starting to recover thanks to the Mandriva Club. Then Canonical came and said "we are giving this for free", so people went to Ubuntu. People also paid for Suse back in the time of the boxed set ( around 10 to 15 years ago ). And people also paid for Red Hat Linux before they switched to the whole RHEL business.
So who managed to spoil the game by throwing money to grab the market ? Oh yes, Mark Shuttleworth. And who now discovered he is in deep trouble ? The same Mark Shuttleworth. That's too bad, but that's like Facebook or any startup. If you do not plan for sustainability and even manage to destroy the business model of others, you just deserve what happen to you.
Using BSD, he would not have been able to use the free work force of all others companies working on Linux ( like Red hat, like Suse, like Mandriva ). And regarding the fact that GPL do not permit to stay afloat, it seems that Red Hat passed the million dollar mark, that Suse is doing quite well and there is lots of others companies doing well ( like the various group working around Drupal ). Let's face it, the license is not that important, if you are doing a crappy job, the license will not save you. I have seen GPL product failling, I have seen proprietary product failing, and there is example of working model around proprietary and GPL stuff, ( or even BSD for that matter ).
License do not matter as much as people believe from a business success point of view. That's like choosing your characters in WoW. All have their weakness and strength, and you can play and win with all of them.
Not sure if GPL v2 code can be linked to a proprietary module, so they would still violate the license, or be forced to say "the library is also free software" ( or use a ditry trick of using a library serving as "gateway" under lgpl linked to proprietary code ).
Go for it, mate project wait for your contribution.
I am still puzzled why so many people complain and why none of them just contribute. See the low number on https://www.ohloh.net/p/mate
Or even to make package for various distributions. Or just test and enter bug, or stuff like that.
Granted, that's much more difficult than endlessly ranting on /. And much less lucrative than making a article to cater mindless users to see the ads ( cause of course, that's the whole point )
That was the result of a study by Sun ( I think ) in the middle of 1990, ie that using animation ( like the one used in cartoons ) helped people to figure the motion of object on the screen. However, I cannot find it anymore :/
Because they didn't ask you, you think they asked to no one ? You may have missed the various design document, the various blog post explained the design choice, where they did come from, and the various booths in various events.
I think people do not realize that when a disaster strike, most people have better thing to do than communicate in real time. When choosing between spending 2h for a press conference or doing a more urgent coordination work can be the difference between life and death for others, I think this is perfectly ok to focus on not losing lifes.
To remove the emotion out of the equation, imagine you having to finish a very important project. Will you focus on the project, or focus on doing meeting, filling timesheets, etc ?
Sure, if such disasters were routine, governement officials would be able to manage it. In this case, that was far from being routine and it was 2 disasters ( 1 for the nuclear plant, with the whole fear that this can produce (true or not, that's not the point, since fear was real) , one for the tsunami ) at the same time. And yet, people expect more informations, like real time complete report , in a easy to digest form ? I am not sure people do realize what "catastrophic events" mean really, and how this can affect concerned people.
So you would believe them based on where they live and not what they say ( ie, the messager is more inmportant than the message ? )
sqlite do not work really well for concurent access, due to locking.
Something like drizzle ?
On the other hand, rdp as a protocol is pretty neat, it can forward sound, it can forward disk. If I need to run a remote application, being able to take my local document directly is a handy feature. Spice is doing it at the moment, for linux so this can be done, but i would not say that X forwarding is much better in all case.
And since vendors are microsoft primary clients ( remember, you do not buy a windows license most of the time, you buy a computer where someone negociated windows license for you ), it would be rather stupid to screw your own clients. It usually doesn't end well, especially when competition ( chromebook, canonical ) are ready to provides anything to make you miserable.
The next rule is that "if this is your first night on the /. club, you must post misinformation comments"
yeah, that's like saying "sure free speech is part of the consitituion, but it can be changed so our liberty are endangered". Saying "this can be changed later" is a totally useless statement. Maybe saying "maybe the spec will later mandate a anal probe to start my computer" is equally as accurate, since based on non existant facts and still true, because we have the technology for doing that ( ok, not exactly, because there is no ready to use probe for that, but nothing prevent to build them ).
So sure, basing your present on whatever could happen without proof ( and i mean, real proof, not supposed one ) is idiotic.
Microsoft requires secure boot with UEFI because the whole industry for arm tablet already does, each with their own way. So the main point is to have 1 single thing to support, and not local variation, which make sense from a engineering point of view. Without stuff like SB on arm, I think Microsoft would have asked for a locked bootloader anyway, only to prevent movies copying and others demands that Apple surely make to the content industry. Without this, content provider would have said "no", and they would have lost a rather important competitive advantage ( if not a strategic one, since tablet are marketed as comsuption devices primarly, like "reading paper on the couch", or "watching streamed movies" ). Or even for non content related industry, there is games and Apple tout the fact that piracy is higher on Android to lure people into developping for their platform ( and thus get money when games are doing well ).
So face it, the battle was played when people accepted ios devices. The rest is just industry following those who succeeded.
So when Microsoft do not try enough to stop piracy "that's because they want to keep their monopoly at all costs", and when they do "that's because they want to keep their monopoly". There is a moment where logic should apply I think.
Why would they stop Microsoft and not Apple or Samsung or every people on the market who do this since years on their arm tablet and computer ( also called cellphones ) ?
In fact, why do people care about Microsoft doing it and not Apple ? Where are all those protesters we are seeing on every website, why aren't they doing something radical like burning a Apple store ?
He speak of google earth
And if someone make a GPL fork, the BSD people will be rather pissed of :)