So the NSA is looking at the vulnerabilities over stuff deployed in USA ? What is the problem ? They also have a mission of protecting and giving advice for the national security ( heck, national security agency, do people fail at english comprehension test ? ).
NSA publish guides on how to secure linux or windows, do explain what the federal agency should do to be secured, so that seems logical to do the same for lots of things not "computer" related, if that can be used to disrupt the country. That's not different from checking a router for problem, or checking a phone if officials use them.
The issue is more "those who do decide". Not "those who complain decide". So as long as people will be too lazy to do anything, they will have to use what other do for them.
And as long as the people who do the work will decide, they will do what they think to create less problem for them, not for you. Most people do not pay anything for their linux distro, and unless for ubuntu, they are not even the product.
TO be honest, someone should do it. Just block connection to google on a firewall, and try to use it. For example, no blogspot, no youtube. I think a few site research would not work out of the box. No google code for sure, no email from friend at gmail, if done right. That would be damn interesting.
In fact, no, people would not start to code because there is wide use, or we would have seen free and open source drivers on windows since a long time. Especially if what Microsoft say is true, ie that most crashes are due to buggy drivers. ( you can replace Windows by OS X, that would still work on the principle, even if i have seen 1 free driver for a wifi card on a Apple laptop because the regular one was not good enough ).
Let's see, did Amazon used the proprietary nature of a DRM system to remove a book ? yes, they did; Do various government wanted to censor information ? Yes they, ( either China, on a lot of point, iran, etc, or USA, for Wikileaks, even if I must add that both cases are complex, and the USAs government has a much better track than China and Iran by several order of magnitude ) Did people used copyright to prevent anything ? Yes, they do, see the book of Lessig, explaining how people cannot do their work on the period after the war and the racism because various movies are not in the public domain.
So there is a will to prevent free flow of information ( from mundane topic like song to more serious issues like corruption in China ), coming from various places, that could be enforced and that is enforced by proprietary nature of software,
And sure, with all of that, there is no issue of freedom of speech, who will not be linked to freedom of software. Freedom to innovate, of course, would have been unharmed if Google or Facebook would have been forced to pay license to a competitor for each server they have, and would have been unable to enhance the software. Sure, there is problem of slavery, child labor, woman rights in lots of country. That doesn't mean nothing should be done anywhere until this is solved.
> Ubuntu needs money to cover the cost of all it's offices, staff, and some reserve for growth and support.
yeah, maybe they should have thought to that before killing the market for desktop distribution by shipping their own for free ( lycoris, mandrakesoft, suse, all have dropped their desktop ( and most are dead by now ) after Shuttleworth decided to give for free something paid with his wealth ). It has a been a few years since Canonical execs promise us "we will be profitable soon", but this is not gonna happen, and things will only become sour now, since they start more and more to push benefits rather than reducing their spendings ( like a office in the center of London, one of the most expensive towns in Europa, paying luxury hotel for UDS for the staff, etc )
s/RedHat/a developper/. People can act independently of their employer, this is called free speech.
If this was a official request from the company, a lawyer would have been involved and this would have been IMHO asked in private first ( ie, like any GPL violation resolved ). Or even this would have been handled with gpl-violations.org.
If my memory isn't failing, then this quote belongs to Cardinal Richelieu: "give me 5 lines of text written by the most honest person and I'll find a reason to hang them for it".
In fact, he refer to a old french law that basically said that writing more than 5 lines of text was illegal and that prosecurots could be hang freely. Hence his 2nd name Cardinal de Twitterlieu. This was for example why so much people died during the st barthelemy Night, etc. But after the french revolution, this has disappeared of course, replaced by a much more complex and convoluted law ( since now, it would be legal to write one ).
That doesn't mean some people will still try and make their company in trouble. Uou would be quite surprised how people fear to go to court in some country, despites having 90% of cases ending with the company guilty ( and frankly, this is usually not cheap for a small company to pay, and even for a big one, that can be expensive enough to have a small team budget be cut, and next time you will need one more team member and this request is refused, ask you if the money was not spent for fixing someone else goof like this )
From what I know, this is already and since a few year the same situation in Germany, in France, In Switzerland, in Finland ( seen earlier in the threads ), in Netherland ( seen also earlier ), and there is various EU wide privacy directive, that should be converted to local law, and could be the reason why the judge ruled this.
Because keeping 2 code bases was too expensive for them, I guess ( less expensive than using Red Hat sponsored work on llvmpipe ). Now, the question is if they dropped the good version or not. Using Qt for everything would not have been bad, since QT is IMHO more often used for embedded. But in the end, this is purely a resource issue, ie they may not had the time to redo everything in QT and to hire enough QT developers ( especially in the light of the kubuntu sponsorship having ended ).
Even power users want to have stuff that just work. So yes, ubuntu is not for content creator, more for consumers. The way content is pushed directly when people try to work is a testimony of that target, and that's the vast majority of the users IMHO, and that's what Mark target.
That's also a policy in Fedora ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#PIE ). I guess for Debian, the issue was just to have someone do the job, and that likely mean "make sure this work on all platform", which can slowdown a bit. But as you say in the end, this was deployed.
Pretty much the average ubuntu user. See how they integrate research on amazon by default. That's a interesting experiment, but I am doubtful people will want to buy on every research, and the more category you display, the less precise your result is ( since there is more result ), but the less result you display, the less people will buy something giving you money, so there is a obvious issue there ).
In the mean time, most people who want to contribute something to free software go to more hardcaore distribution such as debian, arch, or use alternative such as fedora, opensuse, etc. Ubuntu is seen as a gateway to free software, the one you try but that people only keep because they do not have the skill to use something else.
So we cannot blame Canonical from understanding this fact, and aiming at the current users of the distribution. In fact, they are doing what they said in the bug number 1, trying to move the monopoly of Microsoft, and for that, you have to cater to users not interested by the technical details, or by contributing back ( contributing with work, not small amount of money, because this would just be like buying with all the difference you may have ).
Maybe they will run out of money ( given the fact they are more and more agresive on monetizing their users, this could happen in 4 or 5 years ). Maybe they will just go back to the letter A.
It will not behave like desktop application, this is just a browser windows. The day it will work when being offline ( like, when you are at a conferne ce with bad wifi, in a foreign country, or just far away from town, in a train, etc ), and not upgrade without me noticing, then this would behave like a desktop application.
( and even if gmail can be run offline for chromeos, that would still be a proprietary application ( since the frontend andthe backend are not free ), and that's IMHO a reason to avoid, even if i know this doesn't matter to everybody ).
At least, Debian is a mature and sustainable distribution, while I am not sure Ubuntu will survive if suddenly, the parent company decide to go the wrong way ( for whatever people consider it to be wrong, and whatever reason like needing cash ) and if the community start to desert it ( like some people think it happens ).
Then maybe slashdot should not try to make a headline of what he post on his website, and maybe people should really not care, instead of posting saying "we do not care, and we do not care so much that we care to explain that we do not care". Geez, could have been a monty python sketch...
So because someone say something you do not agree with, you think it would be better if he kept him for himself ?
People are able to judge by themself and are smart enough to figure if someone should be followed or not, and if some people care, that's their choice, not yours.
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So the NSA is looking at the vulnerabilities over stuff deployed in USA ? What is the problem ? They also have a mission of protecting and giving advice for the national security ( heck, national security agency, do people fail at english comprehension test ? ).
NSA publish guides on how to secure linux or windows, do explain what the federal agency should do to be secured, so that seems logical to do the same for lots of things not "computer" related, if that can be used to disrupt the country. That's not different from checking a router for problem, or checking a phone if officials use them.
That's truly a fucking non news.
The issue is more "those who do decide". Not "those who complain decide". So as long as people will be too lazy to do anything, they will have to use what other do for them.
And as long as the people who do the work will decide, they will do what they think to create less problem for them, not for you. Most people do not pay anything for their linux distro, and unless for ubuntu, they are not even the product.
TO be honest, someone should do it. Just block connection to google on a firewall, and try to use it. For example, no blogspot, no youtube. I think a few site research would not work out of the box. No google code for sure, no email from friend at gmail, if done right. That would be damn interesting.
Or for Lastfm streaming, as people may have painfully discovered this week.
In fact, no, people would not start to code because there is wide use, or we would have seen free and open source drivers on windows since a long time. Especially if what Microsoft say is true, ie that most crashes are due to buggy drivers.
( you can replace Windows by OS X, that would still work on the principle, even if i have seen 1 free driver for a wifi card on a Apple laptop because the regular one was not good enough ).
Let's see, did Amazon used the proprietary nature of a DRM system to remove a book ? yes, they did; Do various government wanted to censor information ? Yes they, ( either China, on a lot of point, iran, etc, or USA, for Wikileaks, even if I must add that both cases are complex, and the USAs government has a much better track than China and Iran by several order of magnitude )
Did people used copyright to prevent anything ? Yes, they do, see the book of Lessig, explaining how people cannot do their work on the period after the war and the racism because various movies are not in the public domain.
So there is a will to prevent free flow of information ( from mundane topic like song to more serious issues like corruption in China ), coming from various places, that could be enforced and that is enforced by proprietary nature of software,
And sure, with all of that, there is no issue of freedom of speech, who will not be linked to freedom of software. Freedom to innovate, of course, would have been unharmed if Google or Facebook would have been forced to pay license to a competitor for each server they have, and would have been unable to enhance the software. Sure, there is problem of slavery, child labor, woman rights in lots of country. That doesn't mean nothing should be done anywhere until this is solved.
Maybe that's just a tactic to avoid fanboys and to be able to take some rest ?
> Adult Lens & YouPorn Scope
I can perfectly imagine the one click buying integration with this one...
> Ubuntu needs money to cover the cost of all it's offices, staff, and some reserve for growth and support.
yeah, maybe they should have thought to that before killing the market for desktop distribution by shipping their own for free ( lycoris, mandrakesoft, suse, all have dropped their desktop ( and most are dead by now ) after Shuttleworth decided to give for free something paid with his wealth ). It has a been a few years since Canonical execs promise us "we will be profitable soon", but this is not gonna happen, and things will only become sour now, since they start more and more to push benefits rather than reducing their spendings ( like a office in the center of London, one of the most expensive towns in Europa, paying luxury hotel for UDS for the staff, etc )
So yeah, cry me a river..
Sending them in cleartext, and without discussing this first, yes.
s/RedHat/a developper/. People can act independently of their employer, this is called free speech.
If this was a official request from the company, a lawyer would have been involved and this would have been IMHO asked in private first ( ie, like any GPL violation resolved ). Or even this would have been handled with gpl-violations.org.
If my memory isn't failing, then this quote belongs to Cardinal Richelieu: "give me 5 lines of text written by the most honest person and I'll find a reason to hang them for it".
In fact, he refer to a old french law that basically said that writing more than 5 lines of text was illegal and that prosecurots could be hang freely. Hence his 2nd name Cardinal de Twitterlieu. This was for example why so much people died during the st barthelemy Night, etc. But after the french revolution, this has disappeared of course, replaced by a much more complex and convoluted law ( since now, it would be legal to write one ).
That doesn't mean some people will still try and make their company in trouble. Uou would be quite surprised how people fear to go to court in some country, despites having 90% of cases ending with the company guilty ( and frankly, this is usually not cheap for a small company to pay, and even for a big one, that can be expensive enough to have a small team budget be cut, and next time you will need one more team member and this request is refused, ask you if the money was not spent for fixing someone else goof like this )
From what I know, this is already and since a few year the same situation in Germany, in France, In Switzerland, in Finland ( seen earlier in the threads ), in Netherland ( seen also earlier ), and there is various EU wide privacy directive, that should be converted to local law, and could be the reason why the judge ruled this.
Because keeping 2 code bases was too expensive for them, I guess ( less expensive than using Red Hat sponsored work on llvmpipe ). Now, the question is if they dropped the good version or not. Using Qt for everything would not have been bad, since QT is IMHO more often used for embedded. But in the end, this is purely a resource issue, ie they may not had the time to redo everything in QT and to hire enough QT developers ( especially in the light of the kubuntu sponsorship having ended ).
So they finally took that part from Gnome-shell ( who does it since the start ).
Even power users want to have stuff that just work. So yes, ubuntu is not for content creator, more for consumers. The way content is pushed directly when people try to work is a testimony of that target, and that's the vast majority of the users IMHO, and that's what Mark target.
On the other hand, RHEL provided hardening since a long time :
http://www.awe.com/mark/blog/200701041544.html
That's also a policy in Fedora ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#PIE ). I guess for Debian, the issue was just to have someone do the job, and that likely mean "make sure this work on all platform", which can slowdown a bit. But as you say in the end, this was deployed.
Pretty much the average ubuntu user. See how they integrate research on amazon by default. That's a interesting experiment, but I am doubtful people will want to buy on every research, and the more category you display, the less precise your result is ( since there is more result ), but the less result you display, the less people will buy something giving you money, so there is a obvious issue there ).
In the mean time, most people who want to contribute something to free software go to more hardcaore distribution such as debian, arch, or use alternative such as fedora, opensuse, etc. Ubuntu is seen as a gateway to free software, the one you try but that people only keep because they do not have the skill to use something else.
So we cannot blame Canonical from understanding this fact, and aiming at the current users of the distribution. In fact, they are doing what they said in the bug number 1, trying to move the monopoly of Microsoft, and for that, you have to cater to users not interested by the technical details, or by contributing back ( contributing with work, not small amount of money, because this would just be like buying with all the difference you may have ).
Maybe they will run out of money ( given the fact they are more and more agresive on monetizing their users, this could happen in 4 or 5 years ). Maybe they will just go back to the letter A.
It will not behave like desktop application, this is just a browser windows. The day it will work when being offline ( like, when you are at a conferne ce with bad wifi, in a foreign country, or just far away from town, in a train, etc ), and not upgrade without me noticing, then this would behave like a desktop application.
( and even if gmail can be run offline for chromeos, that would still be a proprietary application ( since the frontend andthe backend are not free ), and that's IMHO a reason to avoid, even if i know this doesn't matter to everybody ).
Pretty ironic when you think this equally apply to people switching from windows to linux :)
At least, Debian is a mature and sustainable distribution, while I am not sure Ubuntu will survive if suddenly, the parent company decide to go the wrong way ( for whatever people consider it to be wrong, and whatever reason like needing cash ) and if the community start to desert it ( like some people think it happens ).
Then maybe slashdot should not try to make a headline of what he post on his website, and maybe people should really not care, instead of posting saying "we do not care, and we do not care so much that we care to explain that we do not care". Geez, could have been a monty python sketch...
So because someone say something you do not agree with, you think it would be better if he kept him for himself ?
People are able to judge by themself and are smart enough to figure if someone should be followed or not, and if some people care, that's their choice, not yours.