You are not allowed to obtain them by any illegal manner, I agree with you on this on. But imagine, you are walking down the street, and someone approaches you and tells you what's inside the papers. You are not commiting any crime by listening! Even if it was kiddie porn and was forced to see them, how are you commiting any crime by commenting ? As someone commented above, I didn't sign any NDA, I didn't obtain them by any illegal means, as far as I care, they can go screw themselves!
It is not just about them, it is about them and other people! If you do not boycott them, then there would be no reason for Apple/(foxconn) to change that behavior. Losing a job is a not an amoral behavior if the outcome is better conditions for future employees. And let's reverse the situation, how are you helping them by not doing anything ? Beside a boycott doesn't necessarily lead to loss of jobs, if anything it might lead to better working conditions ( or maybe I am just an optimist).
Now I have a question for you, are you willing to buy an Apple iProduct after all of this ?
So it is ok to mistreat people if they are making money ? This is similar to the dictator that is saying I want to be mericful and instead of killing all dissidents I'll just lock them up forever!
You are missing the point, and this is not about slashdot, just because I said something here, it is not an attack on slashdot, on the contrary I find it refreshing that I am voicing my opinion here. Now even if there was no moral ambiguity about these gadgets, beyond a certain level this histeria that these gadgets are getting is not healthy, and there is absolutly nothing wrong in talking about them, but it is just how culturally ( the geek one specifically ) we are responding to them. Second of all, with all what we know now, concerning the conditions on how these gadgets are created, I find it pitiful that the story is not getting paid enough attention ( And on slashdot there have been 2 or 3 stories in the last 2 weeks about this), and sad that ( as far as I know) no one is calling Apple boycot over this.
Yes we are geeks, but we are humans first, and pardon me but my convictions on how humans should be treated trumps all interest in gadgets and alike.
I will risk saying this without the Anonumous box checked, what the fuck is going on with the mass histeria? As if we are curing cancer several times per year now! It is a damn gadget, and a nice looking one to be honest, but a gadget it remains. There is always rumors about a new iOS, or a new iPad or a new iPhone and somehow people get are juiced about them, in the end I just can't reconcile this enthusiams the people are having with the immorality of how these things are created. So Fuck you!
( Now down mod me all you want )
Google don't own Android, the OPEN HANDSET ALLIANCE does, that's one. Second Android 3.0 is not closed source, you can get the source code if you want, the only thing that happened is that Google delayed the release of code for good(bad) reasons.
Are you seriously equating calling same sex marriage a form of beastiality and pedophilia, and someone making fun of him ?
Calling someone racist because s/he is, is not bulliying, calling someone sexist because s/he is, is not bullying.
Homophobia is just another form of discrimination, and it doesn't matter if one person is suscribing to that or a million ( religious exuse don't work).
Certainty ? from a scientific point of view ? infinite!
Sigmas in a way tells how probable is to get these results, the more sigmas you have means that the more improbable to get these results without invoking some other model/theory etc etc. So 4.3 is good but not good enough, we need at least 5 sigmas.
(What said is not 100% correct, but a rough explanation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
Personally I wish if the higgs didn't exist, it would make things exciting ( from a scientific point of view).
But if it doesn't, it would be a huge setback for particle physicist.
I don't know who are and what these "people" did. But it is your job as a scientist to scrutinize everything, specially when someone do something that has a flawed procedure. We can't just accept something said by someone, we have to reproduce it, we have to investigate it ourselves and confirm the results.
Now unfortunately many times during history many results were refuted by other scientist simply because it didn't agree with the current dogma, look at Mendel it took many years before his results were accepted by the people in that field. So attacking someone's work is valid, but there is a correct way to do it and not attack it for the sake of bashing.
Because ( and I could be mistaken) Microsoft haven't approached Google with this, so there is no legal standing for Google to go after MS. So as long as MS is approaching the phone sellers, Google has it hands tied.
ps, I am not a lawyer but this is my understanding of the situation.
No, neutrino detection threshold will be around 1 GeV. Nuclear reactions produce neutrinos in the ~MeV scale.
But ICECUBE are planning on additions that will be able to detect neutrinos with such low energies.
Ps, the detector will be more or less protected by the french navy. As there is a very close naval base in Toulon, France.
Even if they were passed. Honestly, I feel that internet providers, will not obey these laws even if they were passed. Because if they did, These ISPS ( I suppose tier 3 and 2 mainly) will be signing their own death warrants. And for once their own self interest is in agreement with what reason and logic dictates - My honest opinion.
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You are not allowed to obtain them by any illegal manner, I agree with you on this on. But imagine, you are walking down the street, and someone approaches you and tells you what's inside the papers. You are not commiting any crime by listening! Even if it was kiddie porn and was forced to see them, how are you commiting any crime by commenting ? As someone commented above, I didn't sign any NDA, I didn't obtain them by any illegal means, as far as I care, they can go screw themselves!
This is interesting, how a document be illegal for me to read ?
Even if they were written by his holiness Satan himself, I don't get how that would stop me from 'commenting' on them!
It is not just about them, it is about them and other people! If you do not boycott them, then there would be no reason for Apple/(foxconn) to change that behavior. Losing a job is a not an amoral behavior if the outcome is better conditions for future employees. And let's reverse the situation, how are you helping them by not doing anything ? Beside a boycott doesn't necessarily lead to loss of jobs, if anything it might lead to better working conditions ( or maybe I am just an optimist). Now I have a question for you, are you willing to buy an Apple iProduct after all of this ?
I agree that China's side of the issue is a bit different, but the gun can be held against Apple.
So it is ok to mistreat people if they are making money ? This is similar to the dictator that is saying I want to be mericful and instead of killing all dissidents I'll just lock them up forever!
You are missing the point, and this is not about slashdot, just because I said something here, it is not an attack on slashdot, on the contrary I find it refreshing that I am voicing my opinion here. Now even if there was no moral ambiguity about these gadgets, beyond a certain level this histeria that these gadgets are getting is not healthy, and there is absolutly nothing wrong in talking about them, but it is just how culturally ( the geek one specifically ) we are responding to them. Second of all, with all what we know now, concerning the conditions on how these gadgets are created, I find it pitiful that the story is not getting paid enough attention ( And on slashdot there have been 2 or 3 stories in the last 2 weeks about this), and sad that ( as far as I know) no one is calling Apple boycot over this. Yes we are geeks, but we are humans first, and pardon me but my convictions on how humans should be treated trumps all interest in gadgets and alike.
Clarification, I know I am bitching about iThings while the article is about something else.
I will risk saying this without the Anonumous box checked, what the fuck is going on with the mass histeria? As if we are curing cancer several times per year now! It is a damn gadget, and a nice looking one to be honest, but a gadget it remains. There is always rumors about a new iOS, or a new iPad or a new iPhone and somehow people get are juiced about them, in the end I just can't reconcile this enthusiams the people are having with the immorality of how these things are created. So Fuck you! ( Now down mod me all you want )
Google don't own Android, the OPEN HANDSET ALLIANCE does, that's one. Second Android 3.0 is not closed source, you can get the source code if you want, the only thing that happened is that Google delayed the release of code for good(bad) reasons.
Are you seriously equating calling same sex marriage a form of beastiality and pedophilia, and someone making fun of him ? Calling someone racist because s/he is, is not bulliying, calling someone sexist because s/he is, is not bullying. Homophobia is just another form of discrimination, and it doesn't matter if one person is suscribing to that or a million ( religious exuse don't work).
A society without research is a society that is going to die ( soon! ).
Certainty ? from a scientific point of view ? infinite! Sigmas in a way tells how probable is to get these results, the more sigmas you have means that the more improbable to get these results without invoking some other model/theory etc etc. So 4.3 is good but not good enough, we need at least 5 sigmas. (What said is not 100% correct, but a rough explanation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
Personally I wish if the higgs didn't exist, it would make things exciting ( from a scientific point of view). But if it doesn't, it would be a huge setback for particle physicist.
I have a feeling what they meant by "reproducible" is that it can be easly done, or easly to come up with the idea itself.
I don't know who are and what these "people" did. But it is your job as a scientist to scrutinize everything, specially when someone do something that has a flawed procedure. We can't just accept something said by someone, we have to reproduce it, we have to investigate it ourselves and confirm the results. Now unfortunately many times during history many results were refuted by other scientist simply because it didn't agree with the current dogma, look at Mendel it took many years before his results were accepted by the people in that field. So attacking someone's work is valid, but there is a correct way to do it and not attack it for the sake of bashing.
And European women as well. Well I had to ask!
I would agree with you if we knew what those patents are. But it seem to me with the whole NDA thing these patents are probably worthless.
Because ( and I could be mistaken) Microsoft haven't approached Google with this, so there is no legal standing for Google to go after MS. So as long as MS is approaching the phone sellers, Google has it hands tied. ps, I am not a lawyer but this is my understanding of the situation.
I am not saying they don't do R&D. But it seem to me that they are spending more and more time "extorting" money from others.
Is it me or Microsoft is behaving like some sort of a successful patent troll ?
No, neutrino detection threshold will be around 1 GeV. Nuclear reactions produce neutrinos in the ~MeV scale. But ICECUBE are planning on additions that will be able to detect neutrinos with such low energies. Ps, the detector will be more or less protected by the french navy. As there is a very close naval base in Toulon, France.
Congratulation to NASA. I hope there is a plan for Kepler 2.0!
Come one, for a person who do the work he was doing, he have known better! He should only blame himself for these mistakes.
Even if they were passed. Honestly, I feel that internet providers, will not obey these laws even if they were passed. Because if they did, These ISPS ( I suppose tier 3 and 2 mainly) will be signing their own death warrants. And for once their own self interest is in agreement with what reason and logic dictates - My honest opinion.