umm, I DO think so. Better quality, better compression, no license fees... the ONLY reason that mp3 is so big is because back when music piracy started on the net, mp3 was chosen because... well, it was the only one that would work worth a flip.
It's like paying $150 for a audiovox, or $250 for a sony home stereo. The sony is going to sound better, because it has higher quality parts. I'm perfectly willing to pay more for a device/format that will let me hear songs in CD quality without the massive distortions, or audio range limitations that decent compression rate mp3s have. Just look at how much $$$ the home stereo and car stereo companies make off thier high quality products.
The buyers are out there. It simply a question of building, then properly marketing an ogg device IMHO.
Nah, I personaly believe that the correct action is to start writing our government officials complaining of the increased cost of operation of non-MS based ISPs due to the negligincy of MS in patching and writing thier software. I would even go so far as to imply criminal negligence.
This exemplifies one of the many reasons MS needs to be monitored closely and punished.
Well, i'm starting a Open Source based and using company in Dallas, TX with the idea of trying this wole trust deal inside the company and with other companies.:) I'll let you know how it goes, or you can just keep tabs on TerraBox
jimminy cripes! for a second there I thought you were MSFT spreading some more fud because you hadn't read a few books. 8-P
anyways, the reason rh 7 and mandrake are crashing is probably because you have some bad hardware. OR it's the TESTING VERSION OF GCC that redhat STUPIDLY AND MORONICLY included with thier distro.
ANyways, for really simplified, have you ever taken a person that is TOTALY new to compuets? no experience whatsoevere, and had him install a linux, and then install windows? no?
Guess what! That has been done and the windows install is JUST AS HARD as most of the gui installers for linux are.
You are saying linux is hard to install because you try to use preconcieved notions about the quirks of windows on linux. I say forget anything and everything you have evern known about windows, then try installing someone like progeny.
oh, 12 or 14 questions. really simple ones, like "what size is your monitor" "17", "what tasks do you want to do?" "this. and this". "what is your network information" "DHCP thank you" "rebooting" "welcome to progeny",
The simple installers exist. Just try not to make them behave like windows installers. THEN they will be easy.:) It is your preconcieved notions of how an installer should look, feel, and what questions to ask that make it hard. Not the installer itself.
The distaste has nothing to do with it. I think that his distaste for corporations has clouded YOUR judgement. Let me explain.
If I make a product, whose only purpose in life is to change a text only application to gui, then I sell that as my own in it's entirety, Have I really done any work or value other than a different medium for the original functionality? Nope. Can I then have the moral right to sell it and keep it as my own works? Nope.
The truth is never at the two ends of an argument. It is usualy somewhere near the middle.
well, MS wants all software to be closed source. GPL wants all software to be open. What is so bad about requiring a company to give away the GPLd segement of code that they used, and keeping THIER segment closed? Nothing. They are then selling JUST the guified controlls to the text based program.:)
I think that his distaste of corporations has made you place him in the far reaching edge of the "linux zealots camp" in your mind. Seeing this it's easier to attack him for radical views than it is to counter his arguments.
Think about this people. In this instance I can see why the BSD camp has gone berserk over the GPL. Personaly I think the BSD is too loose, the GPL is too restrictive in claiming all your subsequent work that is linked to your program. If a company could take your GPLd product, be required to mention it in credits/license/click-wrap/whatever, including any and all references to the location of the original source, then the BSD people would have no problems. The software would be 100% truly free. It would be simplified down to something that a corporation can use.
Now i'm sure someone else has thought of this before. Who, I don't know. But i'm kind of curious about this. Is there a license out there with this kind of focus. once licensed, it remains bound to being code with software, but new code wrapped around it can be released in the clear.
Hmmmm, Why don't we do something like what tucows did.....
do a distributed round robin system to provide the services without VA's stuff. Just in case.:)
Anyone care to take up the challenge? I know I can take on a few of the smaller packages. As I get more customers, I can then take on larger projects. I'm building terrabox.com so that I don't have to work for the corporatiions day in and day out. Instead i'd rather work for the geeks out there running the supporting infrastructure to keep thier personal and business servers on the net. And make enough money to support open source groups by hosting cvs, websites, and shells for them.
Hmmm, the last software company I worked for made 85% of thier income off of supporting a completely closed source license product. Sales of the prouct in the 6 figures per license couldn't support it. So they gave it away at an apropriately high price, then made up the difference in the support services.
Software isn't the goldmine. It's the ability to support the software that is the goldmine. No wonder it's closed source. They don't want anyone else to be able to surrpot it better than them. and they sure don't want the bugs to go away. that would reduce thier support center per instances pricing income. 8-P Go ahead. ask your name brand computer manufacturer what it costs to support the software, not the hardware on your machine.
You are absolutly correct. The problem is going to be space to house that dslam. And the bandwidth to the dslam over the fibre. Instead of just riding on wasted wires (pots lines), they now have to allocate bandwidth on the fibre lines from the telco to each pairgain unit that is in those green boxes. Sometimes they are underground in a small 8x8x8 room that allows room for expansion and junctioning.
Plus, dslams that do 24 DSL links aren't cheap. So if you can get 10 to 15 people that branch off that same green box, you might have a chance of lobying them into installing it. if it's just you, start praying if you are religous. They won't care. 8-P
Are we so sure they are suing based on the contents of the DB and NOT the DB archetecture tiself? Could the IP they refer to actualy be the protocol and the database design itself that FreeDB uses? If you lok it mentions the programs sold are charged.06 per user. I didn't see any claims that it was the content at all, but rather the software that delivers the content.
If it truly is the software they are suing on, I think they have a right to sue for use of thier IP being the protocol and db design.
Lets not get narrow sighted and aim for the first obvious target. It may not be the real intent of the lawsuit.
Personaly I love the recording of an age long lost. What would be amazing is if you could make it so that the owners of now defunct BBSs could list thier users so old friends long lost can be found again.
Or.... Even better would be to list the BBSs that are still around. Hell, i'd be willing to run a BBS just for the nostalga of it.:)
I'm the primary developer for a product called ISFree. It's 100% GPL'd code. System independant. AND it will function from a text browser, or a GUI. We don't use Java, or ASP, or scripting.
I've been through several ISP management software suites and found them all to be lacking in one of several critical areas. Stability, Security, Usability, or Portability.
I'm looking for some more developers to join the team to develop ISFree. I've been getting quite a bit of attention from the release on FreshMeat.net.
If your an open source project thats paying to space, maybe you should look for a hosting provider that caters to the OS movement and projects? Since they care about OS software they will probably be a little more knowledgable about security and understanding of security problems being thier own in a case like this.
Me for example.(yes, blatant attempt to generate business! Please read on to see why. And if you want to flame me, feel free to use my/. email addy.) I run terrabox.com. I allready donate heavily to the OpenProjects network of irc servers via hosting a server for free and have made other donations in the form of time and hardware. I also have a standing offer to projects that lack any money resources to get them limited hosting till they can afford to host themselves. We are very security conscious and have a sense of morality when it comes to charging the customer for services.
We offer all sorts of hosting including custom firewall that we maintain at no charge to limit access to your server as you want it. On top of that we only charge you for the services that you actualy use and offer premade systems even with a deposit for the initial hardware costs. Or you can send us server for colocating. One of the benifits is that server maintenance is covered for the first 2 hours on a commercial class server for much less.I also have a couple of my own projects that I run from here. ISFree, and libxh. My services are geared towards geeks and OS developers. I also believe that the biggest problem with companies today is the lack of morals and ethics.
On the next hosting provider you choose to move to you now know what all questions you should ask them. It's a bitter learning experience and I wish most other companies weren't so lacking in ethics on how they "earn" thier income. 8-P
Brian
Where is the linux client? Cmon guys, if you want to prove your intentions, please put up a linux based client. I can understand making it binary only to keep dickheads from claiming to have foudn the cure and screwing up the project as they have with distributed.net. But PLEASE, provide the client for everyone. Then ill join the race. For now i'm on processtree.com.
Umm, have you ever heard of a company suing a software company over a computer crash? I mean specificly because of a crash. and not due to breach of support contract.
Something tells me that it's neigh impossible to sue over software. 8-P
So my opinion is that choosing a brand name cause you *THINK* they have money to go after if it falls apart is not a valid reason except in PHB's eyes.
I've aded a simple website for people to check back on for the status of the packages. Ill be adding a webcvs link for ISFree. i won't be cutting any tar.gz files until it's at least partialy useable for trackign accounts and thier packages minimaly.
I've used freeside for about 2 years.It's ok. It's also slow loading unless you take the day or two needed to install and configure mod_perl for apache.The biggest reason I refuse to use it is due to it's partial OO partial normal code, and it's inability to stably do transactions when working with a DB.
Theres several other issues that I won't get into for the sake of avoiding bashing unnecessarily since this is about finding solutions instead of problems with freeside.
ISFree doesn'thave a website and it's only 40% designed and 10% written. It's being written with lib-gcgc, in ANSI C, and supports full transaction abilities. I started actualy writing it 2 weeks ago after loosing access through the FreeSide web interface to all my customer data. I'm trying to preserve the generic services ability that freeside has. I'm also trying to set it up so that you can use it for ALL your accounting. From billing to payroll, to expences.
I DO need some help writing it if it's going to be in alpha state within the next couple of months so far as billing side.
NOTE: ISFree is 100% GPL, and as close to ANSI C as I can make it so that it will work everywhere and can easily be extended.It will allways remain GPL.
For those of you who want reasons not to use freeside feel free to email me. Ill gladly relate my experiences with freeside and it's coders.
Is it just me or does it look like information exchange will become the next currency? As information like this with great value becomes more and more restricted as IP I bet we will see information of ANY value become something you have to exchange for or get paid for. Question exchange exemplifies this theory nearly perfectly. To get good ansers you have to pay for it.
Personaly I think this will continue in the direction of "Security Breach/Bug information is actualy IP to be sold" unless the community at large takes note and says "NO MORE!"
So what do you think? Will this go too far and threaten the security of the Net at large or will the information somehow "make it way" onto the net in free forums?
Obviously you have NO idea of why DoS attacks are possible nor of the real problems here. Any service can be disrupted by these vandals, NOT just IRC.
A DoS attack can very simply be waged on any kind of service. There is very little you can do at the serverend to stop a DoS other than track itdown and prosecute the perpetrator.
IRC as a service is old and some networks do suffer from the masses of script kiddies that wage war over a stupid channel name. It's still a VERY usefull and viable system to facilitate large groups exchanging of ideas in realtime.
So PLEASE don't post crap like this when you have NO idea of what your talking about.
Hear! hear! I understand your complaint of having to "PAY" to get "listed" on a "top 10" listing. 8-P I plan on doing what the others listed above. Hosting 4 servers at 4 different companies and backbones. 2 nameservers, and 2 web/sql servers with short TTL settings on the DNS so a failure of one doesn't impact for more than 50% of the link attempts for more than 5 mimnutes or so. I have my 2 web servers and I have other companies running backup DNS as well. This has been the best arangement so far for reliability without paying hundreds of thousands to get fault tolerant single location systems.
All for one and one for all. Tis true for servers as well.:) Brian
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umm, I DO think so. Better quality, better compression, no license fees... the ONLY reason that mp3 is so big is because back when music piracy started on the net, mp3 was chosen because... well, it was the only one that would work worth a flip.
It's like paying $150 for a audiovox, or $250 for a sony home stereo. The sony is going to sound better, because it has higher quality parts. I'm perfectly willing to pay more for a device/format that will let me hear songs in CD quality without the massive distortions, or audio range limitations that decent compression rate mp3s have. Just look at how much $$$ the home stereo and car stereo companies make off thier high quality products.
The buyers are out there. It simply a question of building, then properly marketing an ogg device IMHO.
Nah, I personaly believe that the correct action is to start writing our government officials complaining of the increased cost of operation of non-MS based ISPs due to the negligincy of MS in patching and writing thier software. I would even go so far as to imply criminal negligence.
This exemplifies one of the many reasons MS needs to be monitored closely and punished.
Well, i'm starting a Open Source based and using company in Dallas, TX with the idea of trying this wole trust deal inside the company and with other companies. :) I'll let you know how it goes, or you can just keep tabs on TerraBox
port 7 in icmp is echo request. ICMP uses the port number to identify the type of ICMP packet it is.
jimminy cripes! for a second there I thought you were MSFT spreading some more fud because you hadn't read a few books. 8-P
:) It is your preconcieved notions of how an installer should look, feel, and what questions to ask that make it hard. Not the installer itself.
anyways, the reason rh 7 and mandrake are crashing is probably because you have some bad hardware. OR it's the TESTING VERSION OF GCC that redhat STUPIDLY AND MORONICLY included with thier distro.
ANyways, for really simplified, have you ever taken a person that is TOTALY new to compuets? no experience whatsoevere, and had him install a linux, and then install windows? no?
Guess what! That has been done and the windows install is JUST AS HARD as most of the gui installers for linux are.
You are saying linux is hard to install because you try to use preconcieved notions about the quirks of windows on linux. I say forget anything and everything you have evern known about windows, then try installing someone like progeny. oh, 12 or 14 questions. really simple ones, like "what size is your monitor" "17", "what tasks do you want to do?" "this. and this". "what is your network information" "DHCP thank you" "rebooting" "welcome to progeny",
The simple installers exist. Just try not to make them behave like windows installers. THEN they will be easy.
The distaste has nothing to do with it. I think that his distaste for corporations has clouded YOUR judgement. Let me explain.
:)
If I make a product, whose only purpose in life is to change a text only application to gui, then I sell that as my own in it's entirety, Have I really done any work or value other than a different medium for the original functionality? Nope. Can I then have the moral right to sell it and keep it as my own works? Nope.
The truth is never at the two ends of an argument. It is usualy somewhere near the middle.
well, MS wants all software to be closed source. GPL wants all software to be open. What is so bad about requiring a company to give away the GPLd segement of code that they used, and keeping THIER segment closed? Nothing. They are then selling JUST the guified controlls to the text based program.
I think that his distaste of corporations has made you place him in the far reaching edge of the "linux zealots camp" in your mind. Seeing this it's easier to attack him for radical views than it is to counter his arguments.
Think about this people. In this instance I can see why the BSD camp has gone berserk over the GPL. Personaly I think the BSD is too loose, the GPL is too restrictive in claiming all your subsequent work that is linked to your program. If a company could take your GPLd product, be required to mention it in credits/license/click-wrap/whatever, including any and all references to the location of the original source, then the BSD people would have no problems. The software would be 100% truly free. It would be simplified down to something that a corporation can use.
Now i'm sure someone else has thought of this before. Who, I don't know. But i'm kind of curious about this. Is there a license out there with this kind of focus. once licensed, it remains bound to being code with software, but new code wrapped around it can be released in the clear.
How about this middle ground guys?
Hmmmm, Why don't we do something like what tucows did..... do a distributed round robin system to provide the services without VA's stuff. Just in case. :)
Anyone care to take up the challenge? I know I can take on a few of the smaller packages. As I get more customers, I can then take on larger projects. I'm building terrabox.com so that I don't have to work for the corporatiions day in and day out. Instead i'd rather work for the geeks out there running the supporting infrastructure to keep thier personal and business servers on the net. And make enough money to support open source groups by hosting cvs, websites, and shells for them.
Hmmm, the last software company I worked for made 85% of thier income off of supporting a completely closed source license product. Sales of the prouct in the 6 figures per license couldn't support it. So they gave it away at an apropriately high price, then made up the difference in the support services. Software isn't the goldmine. It's the ability to support the software that is the goldmine. No wonder it's closed source. They don't want anyone else to be able to surrpot it better than them. and they sure don't want the bugs to go away. that would reduce thier support center per instances pricing income. 8-P Go ahead. ask your name brand computer manufacturer what it costs to support the software, not the hardware on your machine.
You are absolutly correct. The problem is going to be space to house that dslam. And the bandwidth to the dslam over the fibre. Instead of just riding on wasted wires (pots lines), they now have to allocate bandwidth on the fibre lines from the telco to each pairgain unit that is in those green boxes. Sometimes they are underground in a small 8x8x8 room that allows room for expansion and junctioning. Plus, dslams that do 24 DSL links aren't cheap. So if you can get 10 to 15 people that branch off that same green box, you might have a chance of lobying them into installing it. if it's just you, start praying if you are religous. They won't care. 8-P
Are we so sure they are suing based on the contents of the DB and NOT the DB archetecture tiself? Could the IP they refer to actualy be the protocol and the database design itself that FreeDB uses? If you lok it mentions the programs sold are charged .06 per user. I didn't see any claims that it was the content at all, but rather the software that delivers the content.
If it truly is the software they are suing on, I think they have a right to sue for use of thier IP being the protocol and db design.
Lets not get narrow sighted and aim for the first obvious target. It may not be the real intent of the lawsuit.
Personaly I love the recording of an age long lost. What would be amazing is if you could make it so that the owners of now defunct BBSs could list thier users so old friends long lost can be found again.
:)
Or.... Even better would be to list the BBSs that are still around. Hell, i'd be willing to run a BBS just for the nostalga of it.
I'm the primary developer for a product called ISFree. It's 100% GPL'd code. System independant. AND it will function from a text browser, or a GUI. We don't use Java, or ASP, or scripting.
I've been through several ISP management software suites and found them all to be lacking in one of several critical areas. Stability, Security, Usability, or Portability.
I'm looking for some more developers to join the team to develop ISFree. I've been getting quite a bit of attention from the release on FreshMeat.net.
If you like what we are doing with it please feel free to join the mailing lists(isfree-dev@lists.terrabox.com) or check us out on Openprojects.net IRC network in #isfree.
If your an open source project thats paying to space, maybe you should look for a hosting provider that caters to the OS movement and projects? Since they care about OS software they will probably be a little more knowledgable about security and understanding of security problems being thier own in a case like this.
/. email addy.) I run terrabox.com. I allready donate heavily to the OpenProjects network of irc servers via hosting a server for free and have made other donations in the form of time and hardware. I also have a standing offer to projects that lack any money resources to get them limited hosting till they can afford to host themselves. We are very security conscious and have a sense of morality when it comes to charging the customer for services.
Me for example.(yes, blatant attempt to generate business! Please read on to see why. And if you want to flame me, feel free to use my
We offer all sorts of hosting including custom firewall that we maintain at no charge to limit access to your server as you want it. On top of that we only charge you for the services that you actualy use and offer premade systems even with a deposit for the initial hardware costs. Or you can send us server for colocating. One of the benifits is that server maintenance is covered for the first 2 hours on a commercial class server for much less.I also have a couple of my own projects that I run from here. ISFree, and libxh. My services are geared towards geeks and OS developers. I also believe that the biggest problem with companies today is the lack of morals and ethics.
On the next hosting provider you choose to move to you now know what all questions you should ask them. It's a bitter learning experience and I wish most other companies weren't so lacking in ethics on how they "earn" thier income. 8-P
Brian
Where is the linux client? Cmon guys, if you want to prove your intentions, please put up a linux based client. I can understand making it binary only to keep dickheads from claiming to have foudn the cure and screwing up the project as they have with distributed.net. But PLEASE, provide the client for everyone. Then ill join the race. For now i'm on processtree.com.
Umm, have you ever heard of a company suing a software company over a computer crash? I mean specificly because of a crash. and not due to breach of support contract.
Something tells me that it's neigh impossible to sue over software. 8-P
So my opinion is that choosing a brand name cause you *THINK* they have money to go after if it falls apart is not a valid reason except in PHB's eyes.
I've aded a simple website for people to check back on for the status of the packages. Ill be adding a webcvs link for ISFree. i won't be cutting any tar.gz files until it's at least partialy useable for trackign accounts and thier packages minimaly.
http://isfree.terrabox.com
I've used freeside for about 2 years.It's ok. It's also slow loading unless you take the day or two needed to install and configure mod_perl for apache.The biggest reason I refuse to use it is due to it's partial OO partial normal code, and it's inability to stably do transactions when working with a DB.
Theres several other issues that I won't get into for the sake of avoiding bashing unnecessarily since this is about finding solutions instead of problems with freeside.
ISFree doesn'thave a website and it's only 40% designed and 10% written. It's being written with lib-gcgc, in ANSI C, and supports full transaction abilities. I started actualy writing it 2 weeks ago after loosing access through the FreeSide web interface to all my customer data. I'm trying to preserve the generic services ability that freeside has. I'm also trying to set it up so that you can use it for ALL your accounting. From billing to payroll, to expences.
I DO need some help writing it if it's going to be in alpha state within the next couple of months so far as billing side.
NOTE: ISFree is 100% GPL, and as close to ANSI C as I can make it so that it will work everywhere and can easily be extended.It will allways remain GPL.
For those of you who want reasons not to use freeside feel free to email me. Ill gladly relate my experiences with freeside and it's coders.
Is it just me or does it look like information exchange will become the next currency? As information like this with great value becomes more and more restricted as IP I bet we will see information of ANY value become something you have to exchange for or get paid for. Question exchange exemplifies this theory nearly perfectly. To get good ansers you have to pay for it.
Personaly I think this will continue in the direction of "Security Breach/Bug information is actualy IP to be sold" unless the community at large takes note and says "NO MORE!"
So what do you think? Will this go too far and threaten the security of the Net at large or will the information somehow "make it way" onto the net in free forums?
Obviously you have NO idea of why DoS attacks are possible nor of the real problems here. Any service can be disrupted by these vandals, NOT just IRC.
A DoS attack can very simply be waged on any kind of service. There is very little you can do at the serverend to stop a DoS other than track itdown and prosecute the perpetrator.
IRC as a service is old and some networks do suffer from the masses of script kiddies that wage war over a stupid channel name. It's still a VERY usefull and viable system to facilitate large groups exchanging of ideas in realtime.
So PLEASE don't post crap like this when you have NO idea of what your talking about.
http://www.ednmag.com/NewsDetailFrame.asp?articlei d=1891&targeturl=
heres news about a dual chipset being created to support both alpha and athlon.
Hear! hear! I understand your complaint of having to "PAY" to get "listed" on a "top 10" listing. 8-P I plan on doing what the others listed above. Hosting 4 servers at 4 different companies and backbones. 2 nameservers, and 2 web/sql servers with short TTL settings on the DNS so a failure of one doesn't impact for more than 50% of the link attempts for more than 5 mimnutes or so. I have my 2 web servers and I have other companies running backup DNS as well. This has been the best arangement so far for reliability without paying hundreds of thousands to get fault tolerant single location systems.
:) Brian
All for one and one for all. Tis true for servers as well.