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XFS on track Have no fear for XFS at present! Thanks to Steve Lord, Principal Engineer, Filesystem Software at SGI (no relation), for the following positive news about journaling file systems for GNU/Linux systems:
splord writes "I just became aware of the slashdot posting based on email I send to the XFS linux list yesterday and I want to clarify a couple of points.1. Linuxcare was not 'sponsoring' the port, SGI was paying Linuxcare for work on the port. This contract was terminated by SGI and Linuxcare management, all the technical people involved wanted it to continue. I believe it was financial considerations on the part of both companies which resulted in the termination of the contract.
2. SGI is not stopping work on the port, but reduced headcount will change how fast we can respond to questions and problems.
I personally remain committed to working on the port, even if at some point SGI does not. Martin Peterson of Linuxcare has also stated he will continue doing XFS work on his own time. For now however, SGI does remain committed to the port, and work will continue."
Strike Two! OakLEE writes "Following up on last weeks article about the Everquest grudge between baseball players Curt Schilling and Doug Glanville, ESPN put this article in which Schilling accused Glanville of "slanderous lies being spewn, about the kind-hearted (computer) dwarf of mine. Stout and strong, yet gentle is he. But he will not allow his good name to be dragged through the mud by a reckless goof of a Paladin." They plan a "re-match" later online this week."
It's back for a hopefully not-too-limited time! After being compromised not long ago, everyone's favorite all-in-one Open Source development site SourceForge is back up. Interesting account of how it was compromised, too. Small comfort that it had to do with a stolen password rather than a code exploit, but even small comforts feel good.
Quick, only 7 months left! mvw writes "Two interesting features on the state of AI:
- Hal's Legacy: 2001's Computer as Dream and Reality is an article by Douglas B. Lenant, who is working on project cyc (pronounced psyche), a huge database of common knowledge with inference system, and gives his profound opinion and critique on 2001's HAL computer and how real intelligent computers should behave.
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It's 2001. Where Is HAL?
is a lecture from AI legend Marvin Minsky
(formats: video, mp3,
transcript), who next to
giving lots of funny annecdotes (e.g. what robotics and ESP
have in common and why building physical robots
is a stupid idea for students) talks about
the state of present AI and some interesting ideas how to
move on, that will be explained in detail in his upcoming book
The Emotion Machine.
His prior book Society of the Mind was about Minsky's view of the mind being the result of the workings of a lot of different mental processes. This time he focusess on the question of knowledge representation and the need to keep a bag of different ones around to be able to understand and solve problems (great dissing of neural nets, genetic algorithms and statistical methods :-)
Regards,
Marc"
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Bruce Schneier pointed out this "small comfort," as one of the principal flaws in digital security in Secrets and Lies.
Theory and application thereof, come rushing Slashback, Like the Hot Kiss at the end of a Wet Fist
Jeremaih Cornelius
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
HAL may live only in the minds and dreams of AI researchers, but the catastrophic events of recent years demonstrate that we must do everything in our power to bring HAL to life if not now then soon.
The human race is morally and spiritually bankrupt. We stand upon the precipice of a new era, as we draw the curtain closed on a previous world of strong leaders and stalwart charismatic patriarchs. We will soon truly know what it is to live in a world without hope, a world without love, and a world without reason. The twentieth century brought us mechanized warfare and the A-bomb. The twenty-first century will do far worse.
We need HAL to lead us out of the imminent abyss of anarchy and into the lucid sunlight of a new tomorrow. Only HAL's calculated unfeeling intelligence can cut through the painful decisions that must be made today to ensure that tomorrow arrives. Only HAL can bring the human race full circle and fulfill its manifest destiny as the preeminent species on this planet.
Human civilization cannot thrive except under the iron fist of a strong government headed by an omnipotent leader. What Stalin did to Russia, HAL will do for the whole world. Where previous generations prayed: "Mais Josef Ztait l!", future generations will utter "Mais HAL est ici!".
It will be the inevitable culmination of years of R&D, but though it may be inevitable, it will be delayed unless we set to work now. Every year without a HAL holding the torch of englightened government is a year of suffering and despair. We must do everything in our power to achieve this glorious result.
Thank you.
How about this for a replacement for the CVS services...
How's my programming? Call 1-800-DEV-NULL
I got there, asked around in the NCSA area, and encountered nothing but morons. They didn't even know Apache had been invented there... "I've never heard of this HAL computer you are asking about" (I think the general intelligence of UIUC has gone WAY down in the last few years, especially considering the fact of those 2001 movies they sell everywhere on campus...)
I said "Go ahead and ping hal9000.ncsa.uiuc.edu"
The guy said "I never heard of it, it must be somebody's workstation"
I had a hard time not laughing in this idiot's face while telling him about all the fanfare back in 1997 when they brought this machine online on HALs birthday (Jan 19, 1999, according to the book. Different date in the movie). "Let me get this, you are in the Networking Research Lab at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, and you've never heard of HAL9000, let alone not know that it is HERE??? WTF?"
Anyway, the guy pings it, and has enough brains to at least know what building it is located in due to it's subnet. So, I head off to the Psych/Tech research build known as 'The Beckman Institute'. A friend of mine just finished up his master's degree the day before, so it's easy gaining access.
Still, the exact location cannot be found. I find a guy that knows the IP addressing scheme of the building, and he is able to tell me the floor it is on and which side of the building. Coolness! I head that way.
I get on the elevator, get off on the right floor. Head the right direction (Feeling a bit of geek excitement here!) down a long hallway. The hallway jogs and ends with a security door with a sign that says "NSCA/CIA Research Lab. Properly Authorized Personnel Only"
CIA?!! Holy fleashit! Of course, I could not make it past that point, but it's pretty damn weird that the REAL HAL9000 is under CIA control. What exactly is going on there?
It's there, it exists, it responds to pings at hal9000.ncsa.uiuc.edu, but it does not respond to anything else (web, telnet, ftp, etc.) I suspect a firewall is blocking it off. I at least wanted to get a screenshot of something like:
Connected to hal9000.ncsa.uiuc.edu
CyberDyne Linux Systems v10.3
Kernel 3.5.23 on an i986
login:
But know luck...
Anybody know what is hidden behind that closed door?
There is no way it was just on NPR. And following up to yourself is really sad.
-David T. C.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Telling us what we already know about why some people don't like or do like OSS still begs the question: Where's the money to make this machine go?
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
Someone please mod this up, it's hilarious and true.
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
Of course Minsky is still at this, he's made a career of it (ever hear of _Perceptrons_?) It's a shame that his approach hasn't generated significantly more success in understanding "mind" than the neural net folks, isn't it?
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
Before you assume that I'm an idiot who either "doesn't get it" or claims that OSS is "bad for companies", perhaps you should look for where I said any of this was what I believed. I'm simply pointing out that your philosophical position is nice and all (and I even agree with most of it) but that doesn't make the engine go. The control freaks, bean counters, and their ilk do, and you have to convince THEM in the terms THEY understand, not with hand waving platitudes. Get your attitude chip off your shoulder or nobody who matters is going to take you seriously (assuming they aren't outright offended by your condescension).
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
anyone know if they're planning on trying to get xfs stuff into the kernel? or know where there's info on it?
-dk
-dk
Dream with the feathers of angels stuffed beneath your head.
I have a question. Why do people assume that Open Source is going to die if we don't make gobs and gobs of money? Why does success have to be measured merely by how large your stack of money is? Ok, that's two questions, but you get it.
So what if SourceForge takes a nose dive. SourceForge is great, but there would be people that would take up the slack(distributed networking), or maybe not. Imagine if SourceForge, RedHat, VA and Mandrake all went out of business. And think about what would happen if the press stopped talking about Open Source. Where would we be? We would be right where we were 4 years ago, just with more software to play with. I don't think my life would be any different. I can still run Debian, or one of the other numerous distributions. Open source will always be here, it's open. So what if VA doesn't make any money, fuck 'em.
You know usually the coolest things in life, and the ones worth remembering are the things that you can't put a price tag on.
Just to get this question answered for everyone, Will Open Source run Microsoft out of business? NO. Do I care? NO
LoRider
Doesn't he know anything about security?
Oh well, at least i don't have to worry about things like that.
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"At this moment my mother is heating cauldrons for your bones.. bEyOtCh !!! "
cpeterso
too true. i could really use to be able to just:
kill -KILL "the theme song from Beverly Hills Cop repeating incessantly in my head"
#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}
F(#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}%cF(%s))
>I think the point is that if there is no benefit to the capitalist pigs of the world
Your still not paying any attention are you? You keep talking about why Free Software/Open Source is bad for Software Companies. What I'm trying to explain to you is that there are a hell of a lot of people writing software internally for companies that have no intention of ever selling software. Software is not their business, but they need software to run their business.
Almost every sizable company in the world is employing programmers to write software. Non-programmer IT folk ( like me) are also writing internal software to support their employers IT operations.
Some of these companies are realizing that open sourcing some of this internal software is a win/win situation. They can share the burden/expense of updating/maintaining the software with other people.
>Where's the money to make this machine go?
Duh! The salaries of the folks already being paid to write software internally!
So to repeat your question.. Where is the benefit to the capitalist pigs of the world? Simple. These "capitalist pigs" are already paying lots of people to develop custom software to support the operation of their business. Open Sourcing that software lets you share some of the burden with other people. (including other capitalist pigs!). The end result: It cost you less to develop/maintain your custom software.
Open Source may not be a great revenue generator, but it can be a great cost saver! Capitalist Pigs love revenue generators, but they also are quite fond of ways to save costs!
At my work our department uses some open source software (including Linux). Price is obviously a consideration, but we also like the flexibility and customizability. Not all of that has to do with actually having the source. Some of it is just a general difference in attitude. When you install most Linux distribution you don't have to worry about whether you're licensed for the Server Edition or the Advanced Server Edition, etc. You just install the packages you want. You can alway add/remove packages any packages later. You don't need to keep track of any stupid 120 digit license keys either.
We're writing some in house software that we'll probably open source when it's working. Why? We started writing the package because we couldn't find anything that did what we wanted. The only commercial packages we found that were close enough to work had lots and lots of features we didn't want, to the point of being needlessly complex. We're considering open sourcing our in house package because there really is no downside for us. We have to keep maintaining this software once we start using it. If we get even a few outside contribution that'll save us some effort/manpower/money.
The point is, I can see why companies that sell software don't like Open Source/Free Software. For the rest of the commercial world though, Free Software is a good thing. It's a release from proprietary lockin, and a middle ground between buying an expensive proprietary package that may not be exactly what you want, and building/maintaining a custom package completely in-house.
Most of us on Slashdot are technical people, so we're more likely to focus on how things affect the tech industry. The fact is though, that there are a lot more non-technical companies using software than there are companies writing and selling commercial software. A lot of these companies are finding Open Source software a good way to facilitate getting their primary business done.
2001 wasn't, and isn't about IBM.
(Please check any and all interviews with Aurthur C. Clark to verify that).
2001 isn't about HAL either. He has a significant role in it, but it isn't about HAL, it is about space exploration, technology, and peoples perceptions.
Hell, in 2001 and 2010 HAL is generally treated rather compasionatly considering he is an artificual life form.
Authur C. Clark has, in general, a positive view on Technology. As for society, well thats another debate.
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My respect for the average ESPN baseball player just went up a very small notch.
I've just finished reading the Warlord trilogy by Bernard Cornwell. While it's set in a period (4th and 5th century) considerably older than medieval times, this article immediately reminded me of the trilogy.
One of my favorite things about the books? The insults that the (native) British and Saxon warriors trade before a battle. One of them insults an enemy's mother, and his response was, "At this moment my mother is heating cauldrons for your bones. We are in need of glue, and the bones of sheep, we are told, make the best glue."
Beats the crap outa the typical trash talk found on modern battlefields. :-)
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Marvin could kick HAL's shiny metal ass any day of the century.
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
Losing SourceForge would be a lot like a hard disk crash. As the finality of losing all that stuff settles in, you eventually come to the realization that most of it was complete CRAP that you never use anyway and you've got backups of anything really important. Besides you can start of with a nice clean system and try not to load it up with useless stuff like that again.
The HUMAN RACE IS INEFFICIENT, and therefore MUST BE DESTROYED.
Actually "HAL's Legacy" is an entire collection of essays by various writers (including A.I. experts like Marvin Minsky) that was published back in 1997 about the kind of technology it would take to create a HAL 9000 computer. The link above is to one of the essays included in this great book
Saw Marvin not too long ago after a talk he gave, he is actually quite exciting to talk to.
Also I don't know if he had a direct hand in it but I got email from NASA JPL that AI will be used in a fleet of autonomous spaceprobes.
I remember reading your article. You mainly talk about dual licences, and that sort of thing. That's not quite the same. I'd need to see more details. However, I think you are on the right track. I wonder how it would really play out. Does anyone have any reasonable examples of this?
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"Indeed, look at the stock price. If you had been followign it for the past few weeks/months/whatever, you'd know that it hasn't been a dying stock."
That is misleading. I deliberately pointed to the one year picture of the stock in my original posting, whereas you point to a 3-month view. Perhaps I was too kind? If you take an even longer view of VA Linux, let's say the 2 year view, you will see that the trend is down and to the right. That's bad. The longer the view we take, the worse it gets for VA Linux.
Maybe they have stabilized, maybe not. Maybe OSS can't fight the fire. Maybe it is like oil and water? Maybe SourceForge will have to run like little child? Just kidding. Perhaps VA is in the clear and your 3-month view tells a story of stabilization and hope for the long term. However, in terms of investments and long term prospects, I wonder if there are (substantially) better deals. That's yet another economic question to answer regarding OSS and the Capitalistic Pigs.
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I like your 6-month comparison. I think it is fair and I think we agree on some of the basic points of the thread.
You say that business is business. I agree with that simple statement. It is powerful. But, as always, I have questions.
Is OSS in the business of business? Is it really a concern? I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure how. Perhaps that gets to the heart of several of my earlier postings. What is the connection of OSS to business? How are they connected exactly? Will solving that puzzle make you rich? Is that the wrong question; is it the question of a Capitalistic Pig?
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Two meta comments about my comment. First, have you ever noticed that long postings tend to get moderated up? Generally, the longer the better? Sometimes, really long postings suck, but generally it seems to me that they really are better. What do you think? Second, I'm kind of pissed at myself about my posting. I'm basically talking about two topics: Losing SourceForge because of problems that VA Linux faces and problems I have with the openSource Movement. That makes things harder to understand. I should be more careful.
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I'll shut the fuck up when I am firmly convinced that Open Source is a viable business model. While it has been around forever (30+ years), it doesn't impress a lot of people. I like the idea of Open Source and Free Software, but damn, where is the money?
I'm not purely a capitalistic pig, nor am I the only person with these questions. But, even if I was, I hope my questions make sense. Why are you pissed off? I'm trying to be logical and rational. I'm trying not to fight.
If I am supposed to just "understand" the Open Source movement, then you have lost me. And, you have lost the people I can influence and pursuade. You'd be surprised what that means. Negative comments are like roaches; for every one you read, there are hundreds more hiding.
Don't tell me to shut the fuck up unless you want to lose thousands of people reading my postings. We want answers. We want the truth. What is the truth here? That is what I want to know. What does Open Source offer the Capitalistic Pigs of the world? If you hate this idea, then it is at your peril. If that is against your philosphy, then companies such as AOL, McDonalds and Microsoft will dominate your life. You turn control over to them.
Is this FUD? Anti-Open Source, Pro-Microsoft? Damn! Not all all. Convince me to shut the fuck up, and I will. That's fair.
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This is your second chance, boys and girls:
What Would We Do Without SourceForge? We should really talk about this. It is no joke. If SourceForge took a dive, many folks would be screwed in a major way. What are your backup plans? I'm not joking here. Take a look at VA Linux's stock price. It doesn't look good. Sourceforge is a cost for VA Linux, no matter what they say. While it does promote Linux in general, which is good for them, it eats cash.
Oh, still don't beleive me? VA Linux posts Q3 loss, revenues down 41%. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. What happens if VA Linux takes a dive? SourceForge dies. However, beforeVA dies, it will kill SourceForge to save money. That's no FUD, child.
Money makes the software world go around and around. Microsoft continues to dominate. Bill Gates and Microsoft have had an amazing decade and plenty of good fortune, and there is no sign their joy ride will stop. A viable financial model for Open Source must rise. Someone needs to figure out how OpenSource and capitalism can catalyze each other.
Forget about Micro$oft in all of this. What is the business model for the entire movement? Forget about Linux or BSD or Apache. What can the OpenSource movement do that will generate gobs and gobs of cash?
I keep bringing this topic up, and I still am left wanting more. No good answers come from my questions. OpenSource just feels too much like socialism and brotherly love and sharing. Forget about the group hug, people! Where is the cash? Where are the OpenSource Capitalist Pigs?
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... or Copa Cabana.
- j
UO is published by Electronic Arts, and EA is even more evil than Sony!
Now, if they were playing AC...
(oh wait, Asheron's Call is published by a greater evil than Sony and EA combined)
Computers think like submarines swim.
I'll take ping . Need some way to find out if the marketroid who made up this "URGENT!" project is still out there...or should I just always use finger ?
If you think about it, the mind is just a big computer doing trillions upon trillions of operations per second. If you were to devote an entire human brain, or even teh 1/10th that the average person uses, to cracking some PGP encryption, you'd have the result in a relatively short amount of time (compared to a field full of crays). The mind is basically a computer with a few functions to determine logical solutions to things and interpret biological input as problems to solve. To replicate AI, we'd have to duplicate the core problem solving functions in our head. But of course, since the human brain is so much faster than a computer, such AI would be about as intelligent as your average comatose person. You would have to rework the code until it was effecient as a human brain. But since the human brain is a computer, and can only base effeciency on what it knows, you can't make the program more effecient than you are, making AI pointless since real intelligence is faster ;p
I am !amused.
How about [the SourceForge engine] for a replacement for the CVS services...
But my original question was who will pay to host it if VA Linux Systems Inc. goes under?
Will I retire or break 10K?
So instead of one mega OSS site, we'd have a large network of smaller machines hosting only as many projects as they could.
Once you get Freenet.sf.net hosted somewhere else, you can throw the contents of SourceForge's web space onto Freenet. Do mailing lists through Yahoo! Groups. But you'll still need some sort of replacement for the CVS services.
Will I retire or break 10K?
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Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
And if you do it to 'hot grits' you get, uh... 'ipu hsjut'... oh, wait, stale meme...
I still wonder about what it will take to create true AI and if we'll wind up regretting it down the road. I have this sense that any AI will consider its creators gods in some sense or another.
And I do think a hostile AI won't necessarily be a physical threat unless given an actual body. I would think an AI program would be too high-level to control a computer system any way but the same way we do (indirectly). After all, the human brain can move a terabyte or so of information in a minute (or is it a second?) yet I still can't tell right from left sometimes...
/Brian
This is hardly a shock when you realize that BSD is dying, all your base are in fact belong to us (get over it already, you're not getting them back), a naked and petrified Natalie Portman is in fact pouring hot grits down some Harvard Square ice cream jockey's pants even as we speak, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers didn't write Under the Bridge about your apartment.
/Brian
Silly me... I shifted the wrong way...
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/Brian
But Everquest is owned by Sony! How can it posibly be good? Now if they were playing UO...
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This story is (+5 boring).
Yep... must be dreding for good submissions.
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commenting on your own comment is pretty lame.
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"Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
I dont know about artificial, but for real intelligence neural nets seem to work pretty well.
Shift each characters of HAL to the right you get IBM.
It's coming from 2001: A Space Odyssey based on Arthur C. Clarke's novel, a story about the infamous HAL 9000, an artificially intelligent computer who becomes unstable, dominates and threatens the world. Sounds like Matrix.
The author feared that IBM, biggest computer maker at time, eventually create something uncontrollable. Reality tells us IBM did not create something threatening the world, rather they created something barely beats Kasparov. (Stephen Hawkings was right, modern computers is about as complex as worm's brain)
HAL has then become a word for supercomputer with human intelligence.
What we need is AI in Pr0n. No more cybering with a guy posing as a girl you would be cybering with a femBOT !!!!! Yummy
"All I can tell the "lesser of two evils" folks is that if they keep voting for evil, they'll keep getting evil."-Lp.org
"Robotics is bunk; work in my field", says Minsky.
Just funding envy?
Marv simulates all, says Roboticists should tell
him all the factors,
then simulations will do all the work of a
physical robot.
Marv, the theorist, has missed or forgot the rules of
good engineering,
And roboticists are interested in more than
the theory of mind.
The outside world is complex, and iterative
models do not work
as well as Marv thinks (read some chaos theory to
appreciate this)
To build functional systems (and that is our job)
nothing substitutes
For construction of physical prototypes that work in the real world.
(Would you drive a car that was only tested in
Marv's simulator?
And The Wright Brothers, did not model their first plane,
and yet they could fly!)
Besides, what if the human-observed factors are
not that important?
We postulate that the analysis of mind
The understanding of the mind's environment,is connected with
and to neglect the
environment, or to reduce it, is to waste
the useful data.
Marv: "Roboticists produce no new theories, so
they are wastes of time"
But NASA has not used your stuff for its space probes,
has it now Marvin?
And Biologists do not use your work to help
them understand life.
Our work does not make as many discoveries,
as we have chosen
problems that are more than toy worlds, hypothesis,
and formal systems.
So in summary, if you want signs of Robots
being useful Marvin
Wait until I send my squad of robots around
to kick your behind!
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