This is akin to the anticompetitive practices that Microsoft has been pulling for the last several years. And while many of us rightful antitrusters think they can't do that and depend on the government to make it right, nothing happens. How long has the Microsoft trial been going on? How long has Microsoft been doing the kind of thing it's doing? Do you honestly expect the government--especially now that it's run by Republicans to do ANYTHING about it? You're living in a very naieve dream world if you think otherwise.
Government doesn't work. We'll be running in circles if we depend on government for just about anything--especially for anticompetitive practicies. If we don't like this sort of practice, it's up to us, the consumer, to make noise and do something about it--the only thing that can force a corporation to change is something that makes it less money. Boycotts, bad publicity, hecklestorms--you name it.
You ever read into Spam, the meat? Accounts of what happened on the processing room floor justify the artificial meat connotation.
Meat that wasn't sold right away to butchers would pile up on floors for days, left to be picked at by the numerous rats, who would leave their droppings right in there as well. Then, every so often, the whole load (rats, ratpoop, and the rancid meat) would be dumped into a giant grinder and eventually sold off to stores.
Practices like this prompted the Pure Food and Drug Act, the first truth-in-labelling law.
First an acronym for Specially Processed Artificial Meat (Spiced Pork and hAM also?). Fed to WW I soldiers in the trenches. Also at the center of the first spam debate--rancid meat. Was exposed by Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle which detailed the horrendously unsanitary conditions of the meat packing industry. Spam's ingredients were first "Everything from the pig but the squeal!"
The nufty stuff you learn in HIS104 - 20th Century American History
Uptime is not a fallacy when you have machines that are active internet servers up for 400 - 900 days at a time. This proves that Linux and the BSD's use a solid and reliable code base. The alternative is Microsoft--who, while demonstrating a W2K machine that had been up for two months is seven times more reliable than NT4. I've rarely heard of NT boxen staying up for more than two months, as they usually BSoD or go kaput because of some weird error.
I know my OS is reliable when I can plug my box in to the Ethernet jack, lock my office, and forget about whether it's going to be alive tomorrow for the next two or three years.
This just shows you're a darned fool. I will debunk your argument in order of the "points" you made.
Intellectual property control in the Linux kernel? Your comments are so trollish I wonder why I respond--you sound like Microsoft. When has this ever been an issue in the Linux kernel?
but in the event that all the major Linux distros go under... This also proves that you haven't even read the article in question. WindRiver is dropping Slackware because it competes with its BSD offerings, not because it doesn't make any money. In fact, Slackware is one of the few profitable distributions out there, according to Mr. Volkerding. And if you're talking about distros going under, I see the publicly-traded corporate firms like Red Hat and Caldera going under long before I'd see Slackware or Debian go south.
Also, you must realize that very few corporations actually write device drivers for Linux. Drivers are written from published spec sheets and open chipset manufacturers. Case in point: My Hauppauge WinTV PCI, which uses the Brooktree Bt848 chip, a chip set is remarkably well-documented and supported.
Closed source helps copyright laws, but that's when you're trying to make a profit out of copyright and be just like Microsoft and Apple and Be and all the other "OS-sellers" out there. And I hope I don't have to reiterate this, but it's not going to happen, and it would be a fundamental slap-in-the-face to the thousands of dedicated Linux programmers who have labored for countless hours bringing an incredibly useful product to market--for free. Your shortsight and foolish mindedness is an insult to them all. You also ignore the fact that if the kernel were closed-source, it would lose ALL of existing developer base--who the hell would contribute to a corporation that has sole rights over their works, can sell it, and wouldn't even pay them in return?
with a closed-source license, and better control of the kernel, Linux could finally defeat those arguments M$ brings about You actually think Linus would bow down to baseless Microsoft FUD and do what would be immediately M$'s best interests? And I'm not even going to go into how Windows {NT,9[58],2000} is such a far superior product when compared to Linux because it has the good old Microsoft we've come to know and love over the years standing so fully by it, ready to do what it takes to ensure customer satisfaction.
Ass.
I know the idea of this isn't something people want to think of. I don't have to think about it because the whole concept is ludicrous. And I'm done debunking your noisy tripe, I've proved what a crock of shit this argument is already.
For next time, please don't post such crap like this. It makes you look stupid and it gets me all riled up.:P
Hahah, and I used to troll saying ftp.aol.com/pub/bsd should exist. Heh, guess it's now a definite possibility.
OTOH, this is a good thing for BSD. They now have something Linux doesn't--100% backed by a Fortune 100 company. Even tho Linux has Sun and IBM, each company will still continue to push Solaris and AIX, respectively. I am excited by the possibilities of what this could do for BSD.
7 years in prison for something as paltry as spam. I recall Oklahoma releasing a child molestor some several years early because of lack of prison space. I could murder somebody and probably get less than 7 years.
I think we really ought to straighten our priorities--you might get murdered by somebody released too early, but you won't get spammed cause we locked away all the spammers.
At Defcon 2000 in July, I spoke with two very high level IT managers from Pirelli the tire et. al. company, based out of Italy.
They were there looking for help, finding knowledge, and even doing recruiting.
They explained to me that the shortage of trained high tech workers is very terrible. They buy the best hardware, cause the money's there, but they cannot find the people to pay.
I bought 4 Intel Pro/100+ Management Adapter PCI NIC's for $20 each. I was recommended to buy them because of their price (el cheapo) and performance -- 80 Mbit sustained. Intel also makes a far more expensive Server Adapter ($200) that I have not tested (nor do I know if their are drivers available--but I have reason to believe it is like its cousins.)
3Com is good--some of their cards were what we built the Internet on. They have experience, and a liftetime warranty--but sometimes you might replace crap with crap. Unfortunately, there are too many bad stories about the top-line 3Com 3C905 to put it in an important system. The 905 does 100 MBit, contrary to aforementioned belief.
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Government doesn't work. We'll be running in circles if we depend on government for just about anything--especially for anticompetitive practicies. If we don't like this sort of practice, it's up to us, the consumer, to make noise and do something about it--the only thing that can force a corporation to change is something that makes it less money. Boycotts, bad publicity, hecklestorms--you name it.
Let's do this.
Meat that wasn't sold right away to butchers would pile up on floors for days, left to be picked at by the numerous rats, who would leave their droppings right in there as well. Then, every so often, the whole load (rats, ratpoop, and the rancid meat) would be dumped into a giant grinder and eventually sold off to stores.
Practices like this prompted the Pure Food and Drug Act, the first truth-in-labelling law.
The nufty stuff you learn in HIS104 - 20th Century American History
I know my OS is reliable when I can plug my box in to the Ethernet jack, lock my office, and forget about whether it's going to be alive tomorrow for the next two or three years.
--sean
Intellectual property control in the Linux kernel? Your comments are so trollish I wonder why I respond--you sound like Microsoft. When has this ever been an issue in the Linux kernel?
but in the event that all the major Linux distros go under ... This also proves that you haven't even read the article in question. WindRiver is dropping Slackware because it competes with its BSD offerings, not because it doesn't make any money. In fact, Slackware is one of the few profitable distributions out there, according to Mr. Volkerding. And if you're talking about distros going under, I see the publicly-traded corporate firms like Red Hat and Caldera going under long before I'd see Slackware or Debian go south.
Also, you must realize that very few corporations actually write device drivers for Linux. Drivers are written from published spec sheets and open chipset manufacturers. Case in point: My Hauppauge WinTV PCI, which uses the Brooktree Bt848 chip, a chip set is remarkably well-documented and supported.
Closed source helps copyright laws, but that's when you're trying to make a profit out of copyright and be just like Microsoft and Apple and Be and all the other "OS-sellers" out there. And I hope I don't have to reiterate this, but it's not going to happen, and it would be a fundamental slap-in-the-face to the thousands of dedicated Linux programmers who have labored for countless hours bringing an incredibly useful product to market--for free. Your shortsight and foolish mindedness is an insult to them all. You also ignore the fact that if the kernel were closed-source, it would lose ALL of existing developer base--who the hell would contribute to a corporation that has sole rights over their works, can sell it, and wouldn't even pay them in return?
with a closed-source license, and better control of the kernel, Linux could finally defeat those arguments M$ brings about You actually think Linus would bow down to baseless Microsoft FUD and do what would be immediately M$'s best interests? And I'm not even going to go into how Windows {NT,9[58],2000} is such a far superior product when compared to Linux because it has the good old Microsoft we've come to know and love over the years standing so fully by it, ready to do what it takes to ensure customer satisfaction.
Ass.
I know the idea of this isn't something people want to think of. I don't have to think about it because the whole concept is ludicrous. And I'm done debunking your noisy tripe, I've proved what a crock of shit this argument is already.
For next time, please don't post such crap like this. It makes you look stupid and it gets me all riled up. :P
--sean
OTOH, this is a good thing for BSD. They now have something Linux doesn't--100% backed by a Fortune 100 company. Even tho Linux has Sun and IBM, each company will still continue to push Solaris and AIX, respectively. I am excited by the possibilities of what this could do for BSD.
--sean
I guess, had the NT server (www.the5k.org/list.asp) you would've been able to view the submissions and vote.
Does this define meta-reporting?
--sean
Heh, that's pocket change for even Red Hat.
Speculate what you will. :)
I think we really ought to straighten our priorities--you might get murdered by somebody released too early, but you won't get spammed cause we locked away all the spammers.
Bah.
They were there looking for help, finding knowledge, and even doing recruiting.
They explained to me that the shortage of trained high tech workers is very terrible. They buy the best hardware, cause the money's there, but they cannot find the people to pay.
You'll do fine.
3Com is good--some of their cards were what we built the Internet on. They have experience, and a liftetime warranty--but sometimes you might replace crap with crap. Unfortunately, there are too many bad stories about the top-line 3Com 3C905 to put it in an important system. The 905 does 100 MBit, contrary to aforementioned belief.
Let us know what you find.