If you just opened the door and let anyone in with no questions asked, there would be a lot more trouble, and not only with terrorism.
There is a right and wrong way to do things, and I know no system is perfect and there are plenty of legit people turned down the chance to move here for a better life. But I know nothing of immigrateion law and all that stuff so I won't een comment on it.
So while yes, I agree with the inscription:
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
I think they need to find a way to do it legally and in cases where they can't, well I don't know. On one hand I think we should go in and help them, but at the same time I think the US gets involved TOO much in other country's governments. it's a complicated world.
What's really frustrating is the friends that you constantly offer to help buy a new computer, then they go spend $3-4k on a new one that I could have built for less then $800.. except that they get a free year of AOL!
erm, that's not true at all. At present I can't get any kind of broadband at my house. Well, except Directv Directwav, but between the 800ms+ pings and this guy I work with had it and they cut him off because he "went over his alotted monthly download totals" because he was listening to streaming audio.. screw that.
Using your own analogy, said company buys major power tools, would they buy them without having people qualified to use them? Would you expect an IT company to go out and buy a jackhammer and be told to "go to it"? I mean why not, it has some resembalance of instructions right? and those construction workers have no problems so how hard can it be? It's just another way of running cable to your office down the road. Doesn't sound realistic right?
Same goes for setting up mail servers and etc, why would you have someone who is not qualified setup something that is so business critical? Yes MS makes everything "easy to use" with nice wizards and GUIs and all, but if you don't know what an open relay IS, how do you know which wizard and menu and whatever to go through to turn it off?
Most power tools are easier to use. It has an on and off switch, and yet you still need to be properly trained and qualified to use them.
That's one thing I like about working for a smaller regional ISP. There's no scripted tech support stuff, and for dialup accounts ANYONE in the company (tech support, admins, sales, billing, receptionist) can cancel the account. While we do ask for a reason it's really only to see where our customers are going and why they leave. The only time we really try and talk them out of it is when it's a technical issue. For that we'll escalate it to above the last person to work on it. When I was in tech support, and even recently it wasn't uncommon when we get stumped to conference the OEM in on the call to help out rather then just tell them their SOL, call them yourself. Anyway I digress.
The only time you need a "special department" to cancel is for dedicated (and/or "high speed") accounts and web hosting or co-location. In that case all you need is your assigned sales rep and a letter of cancellation.
While we do not have a way online to cancel an account we can do it via e-mail.
Speaking of AOL issues, we have quite a few customers who piggy-back from us to AOL because they have no local numbers in their area. I love it when they can't get to AOL, and AOL blames us when they can get websites and etc through a normal IE/netscape window, but just can't login to AOL. Makes tons of sense to me.
we got that in our office monday. luckily only 2 people got it and it was cleaned within an hour but it still managed to disable anti-virus, infect a dozen local files and like 6 files on the shared network drive.
What happened to the good old days though when viruses would thouroughly trash your computer and be more then a major annoyance? If I get a virus I want it to format my drive when I reboot, or randomly open programs or randomly reboot my machine, or something more useful then just spam other people. jeez.
but how is that not contributing to the deinquency of a minor?
I think it would be if they actually let them keep the cigerettes (or alcohol in liquor store cases) but since they confiscate the product I think that is what makes the difference. Then again they do let the kids know where they COULD go without being carded that way.
I also know (from my days working in a convience store years ago) that when they changed the law to where you had to card anyone who looked under 26 they would send in 18-25 year olds and make sure you carded them as well. I know here in Delaware what they also would do is watch the store and if there was anyone the police thought was underage, they would card them in the parking lot and then ask if the store carded them or not.
"Do the police not have enough real crimes to solve that they have to manufacture them? Comon now..."
I could see if they left the keys outside of the car with a sign that said "TEST DRIVE ME", and then busted them for stealing it as being a manufactured crime, however this is a car that only the owner should be getting into and driving off in. If you drive off in a car that's not yours that's theft whether it is 'booby trapped' or not.
That's actually more like a bank robber trying to get the evidence of the video tape thrown out because finances are a private matter and they therefor had a 'reasonable expectation of privacy' and should not have been video taped. Come on.
They are not enticing someone to steal this car anymore then John Doe is enticing them to steal his own car.
I think that was a funny comment in that message. From what I have seen lately many OEM's (Compaq is the most notable so far in this) do NOT include all of the install disks, only a CD-Rom with a backup of the harddrive as they set it up in the factory.
You can't customize you windows and such because you have no real Windows CD to install it's own system software.
On a seperate note, if I wanted to buy a "naked" system, and got that kind of responce, I would tell them I'd be glad to buy it with a pre-installed OS if they installed linux. If they can't/won't (which most shops can't because of lack of knowledge) then I would simply inform them I will not pay for an OS I am not going to use.
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But those immigrants came legally.
The argument are those whom come in ILlegally.
If you just opened the door and let anyone in with no questions asked, there would be a lot more trouble, and not only with terrorism.
There is a right and wrong way to do things, and I know no system is perfect and there are plenty of legit people turned down the chance to move here for a better life. But I know nothing of immigrateion law and all that stuff so I won't een comment on it.
So while yes, I agree with the inscription:
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
I think they need to find a way to do it legally and in cases where they can't, well I don't know.
On one hand I think we should go in and help them, but at the same time I think the US gets involved TOO much in other country's governments. it's a complicated world.
Easy:
It's Bush and his Oil Monopoly Cronies that has kept this or any other more efficient technology from coming around any sooner!
or something
What's really frustrating is the friends that you constantly offer to help buy a new computer, then they go spend $3-4k on a new one that I could have built for less then $800.. except that they get a free year of AOL!
*shakes head*
erm, that's not true at all. At present I can't get any kind of broadband at my house. Well, except Directv Directwav, but between the 800ms+ pings and this guy I work with had it and they cut him off because he "went over his alotted monthly download totals" because he was listening to streaming audio.. screw that.
Using your own analogy, said company buys major power tools, would they buy them without having people qualified to use them? Would you expect an IT company to go out and buy a jackhammer and be told to "go to it"? I mean why not, it has some resembalance of instructions right? and those construction workers have no problems so how hard can it be? It's just another way of running cable to your office down the road. Doesn't sound realistic right?
Same goes for setting up mail servers and etc, why would you have someone who is not qualified setup something that is so business critical?
Yes MS makes everything "easy to use" with nice wizards and GUIs and all, but if you don't know what an open relay IS, how do you know which wizard and menu and whatever to go through to turn it off?
Most power tools are easier to use. It has an on and off switch, and yet you still need to be properly trained and qualified to use them.
That's one thing I like about working for a smaller regional ISP. There's no scripted tech support stuff, and for dialup accounts ANYONE in the company (tech support, admins, sales, billing, receptionist) can cancel the account. While we do ask for a reason it's really only to see where our customers are going and why they leave. The only time we really try and talk them out of it is when it's a technical issue. For that we'll escalate it to above the last person to work on it. When I was in tech support, and even recently it wasn't uncommon when we get stumped to conference the OEM in on the call to help out rather then just tell them their SOL, call them yourself. Anyway I digress.
The only time you need a "special department" to cancel is for dedicated (and/or "high speed") accounts and web hosting or co-location. In that case all you need is your assigned sales rep and a letter of cancellation.
While we do not have a way online to cancel an account we can do it via e-mail.
Speaking of AOL issues, we have quite a few customers who piggy-back from us to AOL because they have no local numbers in their area. I love it when they can't get to AOL, and AOL blames us when they can get websites and etc through a normal IE/netscape window, but just can't login to AOL.
Makes tons of sense to me.
we got that in our office monday. luckily only 2 people got it and it was cleaned within an hour but it still managed to disable anti-virus, infect a dozen local files and like 6 files on the shared network drive.
What happened to the good old days though when viruses would thouroughly trash your computer and be more then a major annoyance? If I get a virus I want it to format my drive when I reboot, or randomly open programs or randomly reboot my machine, or something more useful then just spam other people. jeez.
I think it would be if they actually let them keep the cigerettes (or alcohol in liquor store cases) but since they confiscate the product I think that is what makes the difference. Then again they do let the kids know where they COULD go without being carded that way.
I also know (from my days working in a convience store years ago) that when they changed the law to where you had to card anyone who looked under 26 they would send in 18-25 year olds and make sure you carded them as well. I know here in Delaware what they also would do is watch the store and if there was anyone the police thought was underage, they would card them in the parking lot and then ask if the store carded them or not.
I could see if they left the keys outside of the car with a sign that said "TEST DRIVE ME", and then busted them for stealing it as being a manufactured crime, however this is a car that only the owner should be getting into and driving off in. If you drive off in a car that's not yours that's theft whether it is 'booby trapped' or not.
That's actually more like a bank robber trying to get the evidence of the video tape thrown out because finances are a private matter and they therefor had a 'reasonable expectation of privacy' and should not have been video taped. Come on.
They are not enticing someone to steal this car anymore then John Doe is enticing them to steal his own car.
I think that was a funny comment in that message. From what I have seen lately many OEM's (Compaq is the most notable so far in this) do NOT include all of the install disks, only a CD-Rom with a backup of the harddrive as they set it up in the factory.
You can't customize you windows and such because you have no real Windows CD to install it's own system software.
On a seperate note, if I wanted to buy a "naked" system, and got that kind of responce, I would tell them I'd be glad to buy it with a pre-installed OS if they installed linux. If they can't/won't (which most shops can't because of lack of knowledge) then I would simply inform them I will not pay for an OS I am not going to use.