Nuclear doesn't spew its hazardous waste into the air.
"Energy independence" is not the only concern.
It should be, because if the right-wing has shown us anything, it's that the lowest common denominator is what moves the argument.
We can all talk until we're blue in the face about Global Climate Change and exactly just how damn bad it will become here on Planet Earth, but you're wasting your breath when 50% of the population doesn't even "believe" in Global Warming.
I shudder every time I say or write any form of that sentence because it reminds me how many less-than-smart people substitute science with belief, but I digress.
The problem is that when it comes right down too it, the majority of voters could give a shit about what happens anywhere outside their front yard. And in the United States, voters have all the power.
I, personally, get upset when people fall into the self-pity party of "Oh, it doesn't matter, rich people have all the power. That's bullshit of the highest order, VOTERS have all the power in the United States and they always have.
The only thing money gives the other side is the ability to influence voters, nothing more.
It still is ultimately up to the American Voter how this country rolls forward.
Now, getting back to the current conversation, every single one of these plans (Nuclear, Natural Gas, Clean Coal, etc.) can be made to contribute to preventing Catastrophic Climate Change in the long term while moving the United States toward Energy Independence in the short-term.
Democrats and Liberal-Progressives (and I'll be honest...I'm one of those "far-lefty-liberals" Bill O'Reilly crows about:) ) need to get off our collective asses and stop trying to turn Climate Change into a fucking religion (which is the only way I know how describe something that someone calls "evil", which I've heard more than a few call inaction on Climate Change -- Climate Change is a Science and in Science there is no such thing as good and evil, only fact and theory, and ALL facts start as theories
I could give a shit if someone "cares" about what will happen to the weakest among us when food prices quadruple do to loss of farmland (speaking of just one of the dangers of Global Climate Change).
If we have to play to their nationalistic spirit and get them to do something because it makes them think they're "putting one over" on the Saudis, SO BE IT
I have no problem with that whatsoever just as long as the solutions to the "Energy Independence" also happen to be the solutions to the real problem at hand...which, again, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and Clean Coal all can be.
Everything you eat and drink contains substances that under the proper conditions are "mutagens".
Using a different topic as an example, I remember in the 70s and 80s when it was shown that the British Meat Packing Industry had mixed hundreds of tons of meat contaminated with Mad Cow Disease into the general food supply, scientist from all over the world predicted a mass epidemic of cases in humans.
If I'm not mistaken, it is still to this day forbidden to import meat from Great Britain into the United States (I could be wrong about it being meat, but I know there are still things regarding medicine that can't be done in the United States if you are shown to have consumed meat in Great Britain during that time...perhaps it's donate blood/organs?)
The moral of the story is that for all the concern (and I'm not making fun of the concern, mind you, at the time -- as now, for that matter -- we knew very little about Mad Cow Disease other than it was possible for it spread to humans...how likely or too what degree were and are still an unanswered question).
Anyway...for all the concern expressed, the actual number of Human cases of Mad Cow disease that can be directly attributed to that incident are virtually inline with the amount of people who might have contracted the disease in general.
Nothing like what was feared is my point.
Getting back to this conversation,...I'm not saying that under certain conditions, fluoride might not have adverse effects, but the effects from adding it to drinking water are so unlikely to cause any of them as too really not even be considered.
Much like Nuclear Energy...can a nuclear reactor suffer a catastrophic meltdown and fatally contaminate an area the size of Pennsylvania...of course. Anything can happen under the right circumstances.
But the likelihood of it happening in our lifetimes is far less than being struck and killed by a meteor from outer space.
You mock the parent using huffingtonpost.com as a source of information on conservative candidates and then say shes ahead using rasmussenreports.com as your source?
"but fluoride is a well established mutagen and probably a carcinogen..."
It's been my experience that in off-the-wall medical studies "probably" is just an euphemism for unproven and the world is full of unproven conspiracy theories.
That is so much horseshit, I don't even know where to start. First of all it isn't "Think of the children" when I can take a trip to TX, pay a Coyote $4500, and a nice 9-14 year WILL be delivered to me, period. When you have NO LAWS, guess what? You get the fucking scum of the earth, surprise fucking surprise. Maybe you'd be willing to go to the families of your DEAD fellow Americans and tell them "its just business baby"? I didn't think so. It is quickly becoming a fucking warzone in the bottom states. I tell you what, why don't we bus every last one to YOUR state? How about that? Otherwise STFU, because we WILL use the power of the states if the feds refuse to do their fucking job.
This has NOTHING to do with jobs, dumbass. We are talking about a border where you can bring in ANYTHING...guns, drugs, sex slaves, a fucking bomb...anything at all. You think all those crazy jihadists won't use that against us? But don't worry, come 2012 if Nobama don't get on the fucking ball the Reps could run Bozo and win by a landslide. And then maybe we can get some fucking troops on the border. Have you see the polls? Ron Paul is but 2 points off winning if the election was held today. And guess what he wants to do to the border? Can you say 50Cals and armed drones, boys and girls? Yeah, keep your head in the sand, the rest of us will get shit done, as usual.
And yet, when it counts, "Ron Paul" can't seem to get out of the single digits, can he? He's the poster child for perseverance...but not much else.
Spare me your self-righteous indignation, the border State's give $8.50 in Federal Taxes for every $10 in Federal Aid they receive...and for all that money...what do we all hear...bitching and moaning that we don't send more.
All I can say is that for a person living off the backs of Liberal-Progressives (See, it's us in state's like California and New York that pay for YOUR handout), you've got a whole lot of mouth.
What? You think you all are the first to show up at the door with a belly full of want and a mouth full of "give me"?
Funny how the "Red" State's always seem to find a "Crisis" whenever someone else actually needs Federal Attention...almost like a petulant child scared they won't be the center of attention anymore.
WE run this country now...your side had your chance. You had 12 years (1994-2006) to fix your imaginary problem with all the "terrible" illegals (taking all those fruit-picking jobs that are in such high demand among Americans -- Sarcasm intended, BTW), and you sat on your asses enjoying your semi-slave labor.
Now that someone you don't like is in the White House (and who's party is in charge of Congress), now suddenly you throw your maids...your handymen...your day labors under the bus and "demand" protection from the Federal Government.
The Federal Government doesn't exist to protect you from yourselves. I (and every other taxpayer who watched saps like you elect know-nothings like George W. Bush) saw very well what happened when your side was in control...and it cost 3,000 people their lives in a single day.
Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California...you have no foreign borders. Your borders (including your southern borders) are completely within the United States. It is The United States Federal Government that has a foreign border with Mexico (as well as with Canada to the North). It is the United States Federal Government, not Arizona, not New Mexico, not California, and not Texas who are empowered to speak on behalf of the United States to the country of Mexico (likewise with the country of Canada).
By the United States Constitution only the Federal Government is empowered to decide, decree, and enforce Immigration Policy and Law.
When the Supreme Court of the United States puts Arizona in it's proper place (by overturning it's current, and any future laws regarding immigration), then you and I see which of us sits on the right side of history.
We are also a nation of LAWS, and unless you are one of those Ayn Rand whackos that think we should be able to just do whatever the fuck we want, like cut down national forests and dump raw sewage into the ocean, well then it is NOT "my problem" except as far as chunking their asses as far as we can kick them.
The simple fact is we Americans aren't gonna keep putting up with this shit, and as we all saw with the internment camps we have NO problem with a little racial profiling in a time of war, and that is EXACTLY what this is...an invasion by those hostile to the USA. Just look at all the "Yankee dogs go home" signs in the middle of AZ, like their asses are speaking Apache. If it takes good old fashioned American tech, like land mines and 50 CALs auto turrets? So be it buddy. We here in the states being overrun would have NO problem with that.
And unless you are for human trafficking and slavery (guess what happens to many of the little girls buddy?) then you should be all for locking the border down too. Of course maybe you like the idea of being able to pick up a fresh young girl for less than $4500 (last I heard from a cop friend that was the going rate for 9-14 year old illegals) so who knows?
More bullshit self-justification as too why big-daddy Government should prop you up over others.
I repeat exactly what I said before (and choose to ignore your self-indulgent "won't someone please think of the children!" nonsense)..we are a Capitalistic Country. Because we don't turn anyone away, we, by far, attract the best of humanity (I'm speaking of intelligence, work ability, drive, etc.)
THAT is why we are a Superpower.
If you can't stand the heat, then you'd better stay out of the kitchen.
The United States belongs to "cream of the crop", if that's not you, then you've got a bigger problem than you think.
Uhhh...there is a BIG difference between Nazi refugees and the Mexicans stomping across our border bud. For one thing I doubt Teller and all of his buddies put together could rack up the body count the Mexicans put up. Not to mention we didn't give shit as far as social services go to immigrants back then, much less illegals.
The simple fact is...we're broke. No two ways about it, the cupboards are bare. We need to be taking care of our own people and NOT half of South America. Let them clean up their cesspool political system and fix up their own country. If China could go from being a backwoods to a superpower so can they.
I hate to break it too you, BUT WE ARE A CAPITALIST COUNTRY.
There are no "us" and "them", there's just we.
If they are willing to come here and work for less than you, then that's your problem, not theirs. THAT is Capitalism, my friend. That's what built America into the SuperPower it is today. It isn't the fairytale world some people seem to think it is.
Did you ever notice how many of our great physicists were running from the Nazis? Einstein, Szilard, Teller, probably dozens of lesser scientists. I've always wondered: If the Nazis would have succeeded in getting those scientists, would we have developed the bomb? Was it inevitable, or did it take getting all those super minds in the right place at the right time?
We know that despite what was said during the Manhattan project that the Nazis were far enough behind on Atomic research they may have never built a working bomb, and Japan was wasting time looking at "death rays". The only real advantage the Nazis had by the end was rockets (which we pulled a brain drain thanks to Operation Paperclip) so it always makes me wonder how much different our world would have been if the NSDAP had never existed.
As for TFA the ONLY way I would go for it is if ALL patents created using tax dollars belong to We, The People. But knowing the way business "works" here in the USA today they more likely want mama government to take all the risks, while they take all the spoils. Yeah, no thanks.
Now whether or not they had any means of mass producing them, that's completely up to the debate of history, but they certainly had the knowledge.
As for your points about the benefits of acceptance (speaking of the Nazi Refugees that were welcomed by the United States and who subsequently GREATLY aided in our ultimate victory), I would just like to say that I wish states like Arizona would keep that in mind.
There is a reason why the United States is one of the most powerful countries on Earth and it ISN'T because we build walls keeping people out.
I dont think you read the whole post up there, nuclear fission would not stop until the uranium or plutonium or whathaveyou has completely run its course. Fusion on the other hand would stop if there was a pressure failure, or a heating failure.
Thats why we make fission bombs, and cannot possibly ever make a fusion bomb(it just doesnt work that way)
Actually we do make Fusion Bombs (they're technically called Thermonuclear Weapons -- commonly referred to as "Hydrogen Bombs").
However, they do all require a small fission-based detonator to get the ball rolling. But once it gets going, the reaction is limited only to the supply of tritium and hydrogen.
Just look at the near fanatical destruction of the blueprints and prototypes of the canadian supersonic Avro Arrow combat jet back in the 50's. This car design getting buried is clearly another case of someone not wanting anyone to manufacture a competing model that could shake the current makers out of their lowest common denominator complacency.
I'm afraid the destruction of the Arrow wasn't nearly as exciting as people think...the project was canceled because of fears of Soviet penetration of the project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_arrow#Cancellation).
While I'm sure competitors existed who were also glad to see it go, I think that given the chance they would have much preferred to have licensed the technology of the Arrow and built their own ideas around it rather than be forced to start from scratch on their own.
No, there's no silly conspiracy like that. The conspiracy that DOES exist is that Obama is in BP's pocket, and has allowed BP to take over control of the US Coast Guard. Reporters are now threated with arrest by BP/USCG if they try to cover the event. Our government is officially controlled by a foreign corporation, and the time for revolution is at hand.
Hey...Lee Harvey...I hate to tell you, but your local Fire Department also won't let reporters GO INTO A BURNING BUILDING to cover that either.
Does that mean your local Fire Department is "owned" by the person who set the fire?
I was just thinking the same thing...you know, it's really sad. While I don't agree with the "Nuclear Time Bomb" hyperbole, it was an interesting paper...until the claim of "Two Hundred million people" living in North Carolina part.
Small mistakes like that are what give fuel to dumb-asses to ridicule the entire idea.
News for you dumb ass...we get most of our oil from Canada now.
Iraq's oil production is LOWER now than it was before we kept an army in the Middle East to ensure stability.
Speaking of dumb-asses, OIL IS TRADED IN INTERNATIONAL MARKETS.
That means that a drop in production in the Middle East, regardless of whether or not you can still fill up your 5 ton SUV, WILL CAUSE THE PRICE OF OIL TO SKYROCKET.
Hence the reason just as I said earlier we keep an army in the middle east at the extended cost of about $15 per gallon.
Doesn't matter where your personal stash of oil comes from, any disruption, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, will cause the price to skyrocket.
Yes people don't seem to understand how BIG the U.S. is. If I order from amazon.com, it has to travel 2000 miles from California, and there's not much in-between. By car it's a 3 day journey. First the steam engine and now gasoline/diesel-fueled vehicles are what keeps this country connected.
If the cost doubles, it will have a major impact on our goods, our food, and our business travel. The EU has an advantage, as most of their goods can be shipped via water (for example from Poland to Spain) which is cheaper than land travel. The U.S. doesn't have that. Goods travel over the roads or rails.
Not to mention Europe is, on average, far more dense than the United States. I'm betting that if studies were actually done (they might already have been and I'm just to lazy to find them, etc.:) ), most packages and shipping in Europe is by neccessity on much smaller scale. Even if it is by truck (the least efficient mode of transportation), it is a small enough trip not to really add much to the price.
As you said, unlike in the United States where the population is spread to and fro and the sources of goods generally on the coasts.
All of a sudden now C02 is "pollution" so anyone breathing is contributing to the demise of the planet, industry is suddenly giant polluters and we all are lazy, polluting, middle class, pigs.
Your "cost" of fossil fuels is imaginary...made up. And unless the feds are giving money to the oil companies, gasoline is not subsidized.
If you can build a car that costs in the mid teens, goes at least 100 miles on a charge, I'll buy one.
If you can make a solar panel that will save me money in electric after taking into account the cost of purchase, I'll buy one.
Until then, I'll stick with my window AC and my 12 year old, paid for, 21 mpg car.
Gasoline would cost $15 per gallon if we didn't keep an army in the Middle East to ensure stability. Self-centered, no-nothings like yourself are the problem. Your terrified of anything that might make you change the way you do things, even if the change makes your life cheaper and easier.
You'd rather live in fear and tell Al Gore jokes than actually TAKE A RISK and have things get better.
I want to make it clear, I'm not attempting to insult or belittle you, not at all. I have the deepest most sympathy for anyone in your condition (which I consider analogous to a victim of spousal abuse too terrified to leave his/her abuser).
Remarkably one-sided point of view. You think the only lobbyists in Washington are in the Oil/Coal Industry? The lobbying effort on the other side is massive as well, and guess what? You actually get something for cheap energy! Here's another. Guess what the Green Energy lobby will give you? A massive utility/petroleum price increase!! Good for you Mr. Naive!!
Baloney. Not just baloney, but absolute "looking for any excuse not to feel guilty" baloney.
If you factor in the cost of keeping an entire army in the Middle East (in order to ensure access to petroleum), we pay about $15 PER GALLON for gasoline/diesel/jet fuel.
As for "cheap" coal, we more than make up the price of "cheap" coal in INCREASED HEALTHCARE costs (asthma/lung diseases/etc.) attributable directly to the crap coming from the smokestacks (irregardless of how well it is "cleaned" up).
We could be manufacturing every fuel and product we currently get from petroleum SYNTHETICALLY, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process) right this very minute, from sea water (pulling Hydrogen, Oxygen and dissolved CO2 out of the water in order to recombine it into hydrocarbons of any chain we please -- from gasoline to plastic, take your pick --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process#Carbon_dioxide_reuse) for the same price (most probably cheaper, and certainly with much less risk because the raw materials are essentially infinite.
We could be using Wind and Nuclear for electricity (Nuclear for baseload load, Wind to fill in the cracks of demand) for both our personal electricity needs and to power a Synthetic Hydrocarbon industry (dumping Coal).
Our lives would cost less because of a stable, dependable, and (most importantly) predictable supply of energy, and we'd all be healthier.
But we can't do that because of people like yourself who don't have the courage to actually risk anything to achieve anything. You are more happy consoling yourself with the child's logic of "well...they do it to!" to explain away ever thing that scares you (like telling you there's a better and CHEAPER way to power your life, but it may take a little investment up front).
I'd be careful throwing around insults like "Mr. Naive" if I were you...living in glass houses and all.
Which matters because ? All we are talking about is water and algae, none of that messy Carbon stuff.
If your only practical objection is "oh, but we'll need a bigger tank", then maybe you need to rethink your priorities (or perhaps those of your grandchildren once there's no oil left).
There will be oil for centuries to come...these scare tactics by the Environmental Lobby are what makes us all look like nothing but fear-mongers.
The problem is not that the world will "run out of oil", the problem is that the world will run out of cheap oil. There will most probably still be oil when English is held with the same respect as Latin is today...it will simply be far to expensive to simply burn.
If seeking alternatives would stop the pointless debates about Global Warming/Environmental Damage, etc. (because, let's face it, if the public hasn't seen enough already of those, then no amount of talking is going to change their minds now) and get to what everyone pays attention to OIL COST MORE THAN ALMOST EVERY ALTERNATIVE.
You start talking to people's pocket books, they'll start listening to you.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Other than a few barely-acknowledged bill-of-rights issues, the US Constitution is universally ignored by most of the populace and pretty much all of the lawmakers. It's not even taught in law school anymore (just all the case law that provides cover for ignoring what the Constitution says).
Oh now that is bullshit.
the only way your argument works is if you are the type of person who ignores any amendments made to the Constitution even though ANY amendment is constitutional so long as it's passed according to the rules setup in the constitution itself.
You can't ignore them just because you personally don't think they are correct.
Bachmann: Sir, in the Constitution. What in the Constitution could you point to, to give authority to the treasury for the extraordinary actions that have been taken.
Geithner: Every action that the treasury and the fed and the FDIC is.been using authority granted by this bodyby the Congress.
Bachmann: And in the Constitution, what could you point to?
How on earth do they make up laws like "Asset Forfeiture" and still claim to be constrained by the Constitution? They can't
But you don't get to decide that! That's what people such as yourself don't seem to want to understand.
You always throw up completely anecdotal "examples" of your claims of the "vast conspiracy" to ignore the constitution, but you seem to forget the little part in the constitution that says (Article Three Section 2, precisely):
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
That means that the judgement as to whether anything is or is not constitutional is not in the purview of ANYONE other than the Supreme Court of the United States...that includes anyone playing arm-chair constitutional scholar.
If anyone feels anything is not being done in accordance with the United States Constitution, then you have a SUPREME RESPONSIBILITY to attempt (they would have to agree to hear it) bring the matter before the Supreme Court.
Is the US really a superpower still? It's definitely declining. Looking at history I think it's delusional arrogance to believe the US has found the "perfect" government. Especially when you consider the US being such a young construct, which definitely has yet to stand the test of time.
Well, the US does have the longest standing Constitution of any nation. I think that says a whole lot about the effectiveness of our chosen form of government.
How long did it stand?
The clock is still running, some 200+ years at this point. More than can be said for a lot of other younger countries that have come and gone in that time.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Other than a few barely-acknowledged bill-of-rights issues, the US Constitution is universally ignored by most of the populace and pretty much all of the lawmakers. It's not even taught in law school anymore (just all the case law that provides cover for ignoring what the Constitution says).
Oh now that is bullshit.
the only way your argument works is if you are the type of person who ignores any amendments made to the Constitution even though ANY amendment is constitutional so long as it's passed according to the rules setup in the constitution itself.
You can't ignore them just because you personally don't think they are correct.
Is the US really a superpower still? It's definitely declining. Looking at history I think it's delusional arrogance to believe the US has found the "perfect" government. Especially when you consider the US being such a young construct, which definitely has yet to stand the test of time.
Well, the US does have the longest standing Constitution of any nation. I think that says a whole lot about the effectiveness of our chosen form of government.
How long did it stand?
The clock is still running, some 200+ years at this point. More than can be said for a lot of other younger countries that have come and gone in that time.
Bullshit. That's the same tired tripe they've been pushing since well before the civil rights movement. You can't discriminate against blacks and you can't discriminate against gays. Get used to it.
Actually, in a democracy you can discriminate against whoever the hell you want as long as the majority agrees with you. Get used to it.
Which is why the United States is not a Democracy, nor has it ever been.
The United States is a Representative Constitutional Republic, and always has been.
I think the reason for the Founder's decision on this form of Government couldn't be clearer, just look at the country today.
You've got an overwhelming majority...who believe utter nonsense.
When you think about it, our system is really only one of two that could contain itself long enough to achieve so-called "Superpower Status". The other (apparently, looking at history) was Communism (speaking of the former Soviet Union).
However, seeing as the United States is still here and still retains it's Superpower status, I believe we've proven that only the mixture of Democracy and Authoritarianism that is the "Representative Republic" form of Government can withstand the long haul of time.
The problem has never been that we blow too much shit up. The problem has been that we don't blow up ENOUGH!
I have always been a proponent of the Master of Orion foreign policy theory. You live in peace ad harmony with your neighbors, until they do something to piss you off. You know, they attack your colonies, steal too much technology, crash their star cruisers into a couple of towers, whatever.
You then send your fleet to bomb your enemies from orbit until their land is clear of any buildings, population, dogs, pine cones, or ants... then you simply bring in your own colonists to settle the area and call it good.
Once the other countries learn that you're serious and not screwing around anymore, they don't dare pick a fight with you.
Where's the problem?
I say we lift off and nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.
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"Hi, I heard you got cancer. Here, have a car that doesn't work."
Nah, nah,...you can always get a couple hundred dollars out of a used car if you only take it to a metal recycler for the steel (around here, cars/trucks go for about $125 - $150 per ton).
Older vehicles tend to be worth more because they are heavier.
This persons actions are actually pretty common and not a bad way to donate to worthy causes.
The Constitution doesn't care if something is Capitalist, Communist, Socialist, Federalist, Anarchist, or any other "-ist". The ONLY thing the Constitution cares about is that whatever decisions are made are in general agreement with the will of the people
Actually, GP is correct in that the Constitution cares that decisions are made in general agreement with the will of the States, and only indirectly through them, with the will of the people. I would actually concur with him that it is better to have such far-reaching things to be done on state level, so that those states which do not want (i.e. the majority of citizens of which do not want) to be "socialist" for whatever reason, can go their own way.
(yeah, I'm a pro-federation "socialist")
Note also that this does not preclude those states which do want decent social welfare programs to collaborate on implementing a single cross-state scheme, so that you can pay taxes in one state, and still be covered in all other states that participate.
Of course, this would mean that you could be effectively uninsured as soon as you cross the border into a state which does not participate. But I don't see how it's fundamentally any different from e.g. living in a state from no death penalty, and being subject to one if you go to another state which has it. If you would rather not be in a situation where it matters, just don't visit those states.
I certainly wish the States had done as you suggested, it certainly would have been easier and far less divisive than the current Healthcare Bill has become.
But some things are too important to wait on.
We waited for over a century for minorities in the South to be treated equally, the States certainly could have ensured everyone's civil rights were respected in that time. They didn't.
Therefore, the Federal Government was forced to step in an ensure that the rights of all were respected.
Again, some things are simply too important to wait for.
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Nuclear doesn't spew its hazardous waste into the air.
"Energy independence" is not the only concern.
It should be, because if the right-wing has shown us anything, it's that the lowest common denominator is what moves the argument.
We can all talk until we're blue in the face about Global Climate Change and exactly just how damn bad it will become here on Planet Earth, but you're wasting your breath when 50% of the population doesn't even "believe" in Global Warming.
I shudder every time I say or write any form of that sentence because it reminds me how many less-than-smart people substitute science with belief, but I digress.
The problem is that when it comes right down too it, the majority of voters could give a shit about what happens anywhere outside their front yard. And in the United States, voters have all the power.
I, personally, get upset when people fall into the self-pity party of "Oh, it doesn't matter, rich people have all the power. That's bullshit of the highest order, VOTERS have all the power in the United States and they always have.
The only thing money gives the other side is the ability to influence voters, nothing more.
It still is ultimately up to the American Voter how this country rolls forward.
Now, getting back to the current conversation, every single one of these plans (Nuclear, Natural Gas, Clean Coal, etc.) can be made to contribute to preventing Catastrophic Climate Change in the long term while moving the United States toward Energy Independence in the short-term.
Democrats and Liberal-Progressives (and I'll be honest...I'm one of those "far-lefty-liberals" Bill O'Reilly crows about :) ) need to get off our collective asses and stop trying to turn Climate Change into a fucking religion (which is the only way I know how describe something that someone calls "evil", which I've heard more than a few call inaction on Climate Change -- Climate Change is a Science and in Science there is no such thing as good and evil, only fact and theory, and ALL facts start as theories
I could give a shit if someone "cares" about what will happen to the weakest among us when food prices quadruple do to loss of farmland (speaking of just one of the dangers of Global Climate Change).
If we have to play to their nationalistic spirit and get them to do something because it makes them think they're "putting one over" on the Saudis, SO BE IT
I have no problem with that whatsoever just as long as the solutions to the "Energy Independence" also happen to be the solutions to the real problem at hand...which, again, Nuclear, Natural Gas, and Clean Coal all can be.
yeah because mutagen isn't bad enough
Everything you eat and drink contains substances that under the proper conditions are "mutagens".
Using a different topic as an example, I remember in the 70s and 80s when it was shown that the British Meat Packing Industry had mixed hundreds of tons of meat contaminated with Mad Cow Disease into the general food supply, scientist from all over the world predicted a mass epidemic of cases in humans.
If I'm not mistaken, it is still to this day forbidden to import meat from Great Britain into the United States (I could be wrong about it being meat, but I know there are still things regarding medicine that can't be done in the United States if you are shown to have consumed meat in Great Britain during that time...perhaps it's donate blood/organs?)
The moral of the story is that for all the concern (and I'm not making fun of the concern, mind you, at the time -- as now, for that matter -- we knew very little about Mad Cow Disease other than it was possible for it spread to humans...how likely or too what degree were and are still an unanswered question).
Anyway...for all the concern expressed, the actual number of Human cases of Mad Cow disease that can be directly attributed to that incident are virtually inline with the amount of people who might have contracted the disease in general.
Nothing like what was feared is my point.
Getting back to this conversation,...I'm not saying that under certain conditions, fluoride might not have adverse effects, but the effects from adding it to drinking water are so unlikely to cause any of them as too really not even be considered.
Much like Nuclear Energy...can a nuclear reactor suffer a catastrophic meltdown and fatally contaminate an area the size of Pennsylvania...of course. Anything can happen under the right circumstances.
But the likelihood of it happening in our lifetimes is far less than being struck and killed by a meteor from outer space.
She is not crazy at all and if you think huffington post is a reliable source of information on conservative candidates then you are crazy.
How about having her describe her opinions instead instead: http://www.sharronangle.com/issues/
Or how about the opinion of the people of Nevada: Angle: 50% Reid: 39%
You mock the parent using huffingtonpost.com as a source of information on conservative candidates and then say shes ahead using rasmussenreports.com as your source?
I think that makes you two even.
"but fluoride is a well established mutagen and probably a carcinogen..."
It's been my experience that in off-the-wall medical studies "probably" is just an euphemism for unproven and the world is full of unproven conspiracy theories.
Well their goes any respect I had for citizens of that state. That bitch is nutty.
But not as nutty as her opponent!
Oh yes, she it quite nutty compared to her opponent.
That is so much horseshit, I don't even know where to start. First of all it isn't "Think of the children" when I can take a trip to TX, pay a Coyote $4500, and a nice 9-14 year WILL be delivered to me, period. When you have NO LAWS, guess what? You get the fucking scum of the earth, surprise fucking surprise. Maybe you'd be willing to go to the families of your DEAD fellow Americans and tell them "its just business baby"? I didn't think so. It is quickly becoming a fucking warzone in the bottom states. I tell you what, why don't we bus every last one to YOUR state? How about that? Otherwise STFU, because we WILL use the power of the states if the feds refuse to do their fucking job.
This has NOTHING to do with jobs, dumbass. We are talking about a border where you can bring in ANYTHING...guns, drugs, sex slaves, a fucking bomb...anything at all. You think all those crazy jihadists won't use that against us? But don't worry, come 2012 if Nobama don't get on the fucking ball the Reps could run Bozo and win by a landslide. And then maybe we can get some fucking troops on the border. Have you see the polls? Ron Paul is but 2 points off winning if the election was held today. And guess what he wants to do to the border? Can you say 50Cals and armed drones, boys and girls? Yeah, keep your head in the sand, the rest of us will get shit done, as usual.
And yet, when it counts, "Ron Paul" can't seem to get out of the single digits, can he? He's the poster child for perseverance...but not much else.
Spare me your self-righteous indignation, the border State's give $8.50 in Federal Taxes for every $10 in Federal Aid they receive...and for all that money...what do we all hear...bitching and moaning that we don't send more.
All I can say is that for a person living off the backs of Liberal-Progressives (See, it's us in state's like California and New York that pay for YOUR handout), you've got a whole lot of mouth.
What? You think you all are the first to show up at the door with a belly full of want and a mouth full of "give me"?
Funny how the "Red" State's always seem to find a "Crisis" whenever someone else actually needs Federal Attention...almost like a petulant child scared they won't be the center of attention anymore.
WE run this country now...your side had your chance. You had 12 years (1994-2006) to fix your imaginary problem with all the "terrible" illegals (taking all those fruit-picking jobs that are in such high demand among Americans -- Sarcasm intended, BTW), and you sat on your asses enjoying your semi-slave labor.
Now that someone you don't like is in the White House (and who's party is in charge of Congress), now suddenly you throw your maids...your handymen...your day labors under the bus and "demand" protection from the Federal Government.
The Federal Government doesn't exist to protect you from yourselves. I (and every other taxpayer who watched saps like you elect know-nothings like George W. Bush) saw very well what happened when your side was in control...and it cost 3,000 people their lives in a single day.
Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California...you have no foreign borders. Your borders (including your southern borders) are completely within the United States. It is The United States Federal Government that has a foreign border with Mexico (as well as with Canada to the North). It is the United States Federal Government, not Arizona, not New Mexico, not California, and not Texas who are empowered to speak on behalf of the United States to the country of Mexico (likewise with the country of Canada).
By the United States Constitution only the Federal Government is empowered to decide, decree, and enforce Immigration Policy and Law.
When the Supreme Court of the United States puts Arizona in it's proper place (by overturning it's current, and any future laws regarding immigration), then you and I see which of us sits on the right side of history.
We are also a nation of LAWS, and unless you are one of those Ayn Rand whackos that think we should be able to just do whatever the fuck we want, like cut down national forests and dump raw sewage into the ocean, well then it is NOT "my problem" except as far as chunking their asses as far as we can kick them.
The simple fact is we Americans aren't gonna keep putting up with this shit, and as we all saw with the internment camps we have NO problem with a little racial profiling in a time of war, and that is EXACTLY what this is...an invasion by those hostile to the USA. Just look at all the "Yankee dogs go home" signs in the middle of AZ, like their asses are speaking Apache. If it takes good old fashioned American tech, like land mines and 50 CALs auto turrets? So be it buddy. We here in the states being overrun would have NO problem with that.
And unless you are for human trafficking and slavery (guess what happens to many of the little girls buddy?) then you should be all for locking the border down too. Of course maybe you like the idea of being able to pick up a fresh young girl for less than $4500 (last I heard from a cop friend that was the going rate for 9-14 year old illegals) so who knows?
More bullshit self-justification as too why big-daddy Government should prop you up over others.
I repeat exactly what I said before (and choose to ignore your self-indulgent "won't someone please think of the children!" nonsense)..we are a Capitalistic Country. Because we don't turn anyone away, we, by far, attract the best of humanity (I'm speaking of intelligence, work ability, drive, etc.)
THAT is why we are a Superpower.
If you can't stand the heat, then you'd better stay out of the kitchen.
The United States belongs to "cream of the crop", if that's not you, then you've got a bigger problem than you think.
Uhhh...there is a BIG difference between Nazi refugees and the Mexicans stomping across our border bud. For one thing I doubt Teller and all of his buddies put together could rack up the body count the Mexicans put up. Not to mention we didn't give shit as far as social services go to immigrants back then, much less illegals.
The simple fact is...we're broke. No two ways about it, the cupboards are bare. We need to be taking care of our own people and NOT half of South America. Let them clean up their cesspool political system and fix up their own country. If China could go from being a backwoods to a superpower so can they.
I hate to break it too you, BUT WE ARE A CAPITALIST COUNTRY.
There are no "us" and "them", there's just we.
If they are willing to come here and work for less than you, then that's your problem, not theirs. THAT is Capitalism, my friend. That's what built America into the SuperPower it is today. It isn't the fairytale world some people seem to think it is.
Did you ever notice how many of our great physicists were running from the Nazis? Einstein, Szilard, Teller, probably dozens of lesser scientists. I've always wondered: If the Nazis would have succeeded in getting those scientists, would we have developed the bomb? Was it inevitable, or did it take getting all those super minds in the right place at the right time?
We know that despite what was said during the Manhattan project that the Nazis were far enough behind on Atomic research they may have never built a working bomb, and Japan was wasting time looking at "death rays". The only real advantage the Nazis had by the end was rockets (which we pulled a brain drain thanks to Operation Paperclip) so it always makes me wonder how much different our world would have been if the NSDAP had never existed.
As for TFA the ONLY way I would go for it is if ALL patents created using tax dollars belong to We, The People. But knowing the way business "works" here in the USA today they more likely want mama government to take all the risks, while they take all the spoils. Yeah, no thanks.
A very little know fact is that Japan actually successfully built and tested an "Atomic Bomb" of there own. http://www.reformation.org/atlanta-constitution.html
Now whether or not they had any means of mass producing them, that's completely up to the debate of history, but they certainly had the knowledge.
As for your points about the benefits of acceptance (speaking of the Nazi Refugees that were welcomed by the United States and who subsequently GREATLY aided in our ultimate victory), I would just like to say that I wish states like Arizona would keep that in mind.
There is a reason why the United States is one of the most powerful countries on Earth and it ISN'T because we build walls keeping people out.
I dont think you read the whole post up there, nuclear fission would not stop until the uranium or plutonium or whathaveyou has completely run its course. Fusion on the other hand would stop if there was a pressure failure, or a heating failure.
Thats why we make fission bombs, and cannot possibly ever make a fusion bomb(it just doesnt work that way)
Actually we do make Fusion Bombs (they're technically called Thermonuclear Weapons -- commonly referred to as "Hydrogen Bombs").
However, they do all require a small fission-based detonator to get the ball rolling. But once it gets going, the reaction is limited only to the supply of tritium and hydrogen.
Just look at the near fanatical destruction of the blueprints and prototypes of the canadian supersonic Avro Arrow combat jet back in the 50's. This car design getting buried is clearly another case of someone not wanting anyone to manufacture a competing model that could shake the current makers out of their lowest common denominator complacency.
I'm afraid the destruction of the Arrow wasn't nearly as exciting as people think...the project was canceled because of fears of Soviet penetration of the project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_arrow#Cancellation).
While I'm sure competitors existed who were also glad to see it go, I think that given the chance they would have much preferred to have licensed the technology of the Arrow and built their own ideas around it rather than be forced to start from scratch on their own.
No, there's no silly conspiracy like that. The conspiracy that DOES exist is that Obama is in BP's pocket, and has allowed BP to take over control of the US Coast Guard. Reporters are now threated with arrest by BP/USCG if they try to cover the event. Our government is officially controlled by a foreign corporation, and the time for revolution is at hand.
Hey...Lee Harvey...I hate to tell you, but your local Fire Department also won't let reporters GO INTO A BURNING BUILDING to cover that either.
Does that mean your local Fire Department is "owned" by the person who set the fire?
Two hundred million people live in NC, wow!
I was just thinking the same thing...you know, it's really sad. While I don't agree with the "Nuclear Time Bomb" hyperbole, it was an interesting paper...until the claim of "Two Hundred million people" living in North Carolina part.
Small mistakes like that are what give fuel to dumb-asses to ridicule the entire idea.
News for you dumb ass...we get most of our oil from Canada now.
Iraq's oil production is LOWER now than it was before we kept an army in the Middle East to ensure stability.
Speaking of dumb-asses, OIL IS TRADED IN INTERNATIONAL MARKETS.
That means that a drop in production in the Middle East, regardless of whether or not you can still fill up your 5 ton SUV, WILL CAUSE THE PRICE OF OIL TO SKYROCKET.
Hence the reason just as I said earlier we keep an army in the middle east at the extended cost of about $15 per gallon.
Doesn't matter where your personal stash of oil comes from, any disruption, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, will cause the price to skyrocket.
Yes people don't seem to understand how BIG the U.S. is. If I order from amazon.com, it has to travel 2000 miles from California, and there's not much in-between. By car it's a 3 day journey. First the steam engine and now gasoline/diesel-fueled vehicles are what keeps this country connected.
If the cost doubles, it will have a major impact on our goods, our food, and our business travel. The EU has an advantage, as most of their goods can be shipped via water (for example from Poland to Spain) which is cheaper than land travel. The U.S. doesn't have that. Goods travel over the roads or rails.
Not to mention Europe is, on average, far more dense than the United States. I'm betting that if studies were actually done (they might already have been and I'm just to lazy to find them, etc. :) ), most packages and shipping in Europe is by neccessity on much smaller scale. Even if it is by truck (the least efficient mode of transportation), it is a small enough trip not to really add much to the price.
As you said, unlike in the United States where the population is spread to and fro and the sources of goods generally on the coasts.
That's crap.
All of a sudden now C02 is "pollution" so anyone breathing is contributing to the demise of the planet, industry is suddenly giant polluters and we all are lazy, polluting, middle class, pigs.
Your "cost" of fossil fuels is imaginary...made up. And unless the feds are giving money to the oil companies, gasoline is not subsidized.
If you can build a car that costs in the mid teens, goes at least 100 miles on a charge, I'll buy one.
If you can make a solar panel that will save me money in electric after taking into account the cost of purchase, I'll buy one.
Until then, I'll stick with my window AC and my 12 year old, paid for, 21 mpg car.
Gasoline would cost $15 per gallon if we didn't keep an army in the Middle East to ensure stability. Self-centered, no-nothings like yourself are the problem. Your terrified of anything that might make you change the way you do things, even if the change makes your life cheaper and easier.
You'd rather live in fear and tell Al Gore jokes than actually TAKE A RISK and have things get better.
I want to make it clear, I'm not attempting to insult or belittle you, not at all. I have the deepest most sympathy for anyone in your condition (which I consider analogous to a victim of spousal abuse too terrified to leave his/her abuser).
Remarkably one-sided point of view. You think the only lobbyists in Washington are in the Oil/Coal Industry? The lobbying effort on the other side is massive as well, and guess what? You actually get something for cheap energy! Here's another. Guess what the Green Energy lobby will give you? A massive utility/petroleum price increase!! Good for you Mr. Naive!!
Baloney. Not just baloney, but absolute "looking for any excuse not to feel guilty" baloney.
If you factor in the cost of keeping an entire army in the Middle East (in order to ensure access to petroleum), we pay about $15 PER GALLON for gasoline/diesel/jet fuel.
As for "cheap" coal, we more than make up the price of "cheap" coal in INCREASED HEALTHCARE costs (asthma/lung diseases/etc.) attributable directly to the crap coming from the smokestacks (irregardless of how well it is "cleaned" up).
We could be manufacturing every fuel and product we currently get from petroleum SYNTHETICALLY, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process) right this very minute, from sea water (pulling Hydrogen, Oxygen and dissolved CO2 out of the water in order to recombine it into hydrocarbons of any chain we please -- from gasoline to plastic, take your pick --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process#Carbon_dioxide_reuse) for the same price (most probably cheaper, and certainly with much less risk because the raw materials are essentially infinite.
We could be using Wind and Nuclear for electricity (Nuclear for baseload load, Wind to fill in the cracks of demand) for both our personal electricity needs and to power a Synthetic Hydrocarbon industry (dumping Coal).
Our lives would cost less because of a stable, dependable, and (most importantly) predictable supply of energy, and we'd all be healthier.
But we can't do that because of people like yourself who don't have the courage to actually risk anything to achieve anything. You are more happy consoling yourself with the child's logic of "well...they do it to!" to explain away ever thing that scares you (like telling you there's a better and CHEAPER way to power your life, but it may take a little investment up front).
I'd be careful throwing around insults like "Mr. Naive" if I were you...living in glass houses and all .
Which matters because ? All we are talking about is water and algae, none of that messy Carbon stuff.
If your only practical objection is "oh, but we'll need a bigger tank", then maybe you need to rethink your priorities (or perhaps those of your grandchildren once there's no oil left).
There will be oil for centuries to come...these scare tactics by the Environmental Lobby are what makes us all look like nothing but fear-mongers.
The problem is not that the world will "run out of oil", the problem is that the world will run out of cheap oil. There will most probably still be oil when English is held with the same respect as Latin is today...it will simply be far to expensive to simply burn.
If seeking alternatives would stop the pointless debates about Global Warming/Environmental Damage, etc. (because, let's face it, if the public hasn't seen enough already of those, then no amount of talking is going to change their minds now) and get to what everyone pays attention to OIL COST MORE THAN ALMOST EVERY ALTERNATIVE.
You start talking to people's pocket books, they'll start listening to you.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Other than a few barely-acknowledged bill-of-rights issues, the US Constitution is universally ignored by most of the populace and pretty much all of the lawmakers. It's not even taught in law school anymore (just all the case law that provides cover for ignoring what the Constitution says).
Oh now that is bullshit.
the only way your argument works is if you are the type of person who ignores any amendments made to the Constitution even though ANY amendment is constitutional so long as it's passed according to the rules setup in the constitution itself.
You can't ignore them just because you personally don't think they are correct.
Oh, really? Are you sure about that? Certainly the Speaker of the House ignores it. Others don't think they are supposed to be the least bit concerned about it. Often the POTUS just signs executive orders to bypass all the rules whenever they want to create new rules
Bachmann: Sir, in the Constitution. What in the Constitution could you point to, to give authority to the treasury for the extraordinary actions that have been taken.
Geithner: Every action that the treasury and the fed and the FDIC is.been using authority granted by this bodyby the Congress.
Bachmann: And in the Constitution, what could you point to?
Geithner: Under the laws of the land, of course.
Then there are the Constitution-free zones
Napolitano on ignoring the Constitution also, the transcript.
How on earth do they make up laws like "Asset Forfeiture" and still claim to be constrained by the Constitution? They can't
But you don't get to decide that! That's what people such as yourself don't seem to want to understand.
You always throw up completely anecdotal "examples" of your claims of the "vast conspiracy" to ignore the constitution, but you seem to forget the little part in the constitution that says (Article Three Section 2, precisely):
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects."
That means that the judgement as to whether anything is or is not constitutional is not in the purview of ANYONE other than the Supreme Court of the United States ...that includes anyone playing arm-chair constitutional scholar.
If anyone feels anything is not being done in accordance with the United States Constitution, then you have a SUPREME RESPONSIBILITY to attempt (they would have to agree to hear it) bring the matter before the Supreme Court.
The fact that no one has tells me volumes.
Is the US really a superpower still? It's definitely declining. Looking at history I think it's delusional arrogance to believe the US has found the "perfect" government. Especially when you consider the US being such a young construct, which definitely has yet to stand the test of time.
Well, the US does have the longest standing Constitution of any nation. I think that says a whole lot about the effectiveness of our chosen form of government.
How long did it stand?
The clock is still running, some 200+ years at this point. More than can be said for a lot of other younger countries that have come and gone in that time.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Other than a few barely-acknowledged bill-of-rights issues, the US Constitution is universally ignored by most of the populace and pretty much all of the lawmakers. It's not even taught in law school anymore (just all the case law that provides cover for ignoring what the Constitution says).
Oh now that is bullshit.
the only way your argument works is if you are the type of person who ignores any amendments made to the Constitution even though ANY amendment is constitutional so long as it's passed according to the rules setup in the constitution itself.
You can't ignore them just because you personally don't think they are correct.
Is the US really a superpower still? It's definitely declining. Looking at history I think it's delusional arrogance to believe the US has found the "perfect" government. Especially when you consider the US being such a young construct, which definitely has yet to stand the test of time.
Well, the US does have the longest standing Constitution of any nation. I think that says a whole lot about the effectiveness of our chosen form of government.
How long did it stand?
The clock is still running, some 200+ years at this point. More than can be said for a lot of other younger countries that have come and gone in that time.
Bullshit. That's the same tired tripe they've been pushing since well before the civil rights movement. You can't discriminate against blacks and you can't discriminate against gays. Get used to it.
Actually, in a democracy you can discriminate against whoever the hell you want as long as the majority agrees with you. Get used to it.
Which is why the United States is not a Democracy, nor has it ever been.
The United States is a Representative Constitutional Republic, and always has been.
I think the reason for the Founder's decision on this form of Government couldn't be clearer, just look at the country today.
You've got an overwhelming majority...who believe utter nonsense.
When you think about it, our system is really only one of two that could contain itself long enough to achieve so-called "Superpower Status". The other (apparently, looking at history) was Communism (speaking of the former Soviet Union).
However, seeing as the United States is still here and still retains it's Superpower status, I believe we've proven that only the mixture of Democracy and Authoritarianism that is the "Representative Republic" form of Government can withstand the long haul of time.
The problem has never been that we blow too much shit up. The problem has been that we don't blow up ENOUGH!
I have always been a proponent of the Master of Orion foreign policy theory. You live in peace ad harmony with your neighbors, until they do something to piss you off. You know, they attack your colonies, steal too much technology, crash their star cruisers into a couple of towers, whatever.
You then send your fleet to bomb your enemies from orbit until their land is clear of any buildings, population, dogs, pine cones, or ants... then you simply bring in your own colonists to settle the area and call it good.
Once the other countries learn that you're serious and not screwing around anymore, they don't dare pick a fight with you.
Where's the problem?
I say we lift off and nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.
"Hi, I heard you got cancer. Here, have a car that doesn't work."
Nah, nah,...you can always get a couple hundred dollars out of a used car if you only take it to a metal recycler for the steel (around here, cars/trucks go for about $125 - $150 per ton).
Older vehicles tend to be worth more because they are heavier.
This persons actions are actually pretty common and not a bad way to donate to worthy causes.
The Constitution doesn't care if something is Capitalist, Communist, Socialist, Federalist, Anarchist, or any other "-ist". The ONLY thing the Constitution cares about is that whatever decisions are made are in general agreement with the will of the people
Actually, GP is correct in that the Constitution cares that decisions are made in general agreement with the will of the States, and only indirectly through them, with the will of the people. I would actually concur with him that it is better to have such far-reaching things to be done on state level, so that those states which do not want (i.e. the majority of citizens of which do not want) to be "socialist" for whatever reason, can go their own way.
(yeah, I'm a pro-federation "socialist")
Note also that this does not preclude those states which do want decent social welfare programs to collaborate on implementing a single cross-state scheme, so that you can pay taxes in one state, and still be covered in all other states that participate.
Of course, this would mean that you could be effectively uninsured as soon as you cross the border into a state which does not participate. But I don't see how it's fundamentally any different from e.g. living in a state from no death penalty, and being subject to one if you go to another state which has it. If you would rather not be in a situation where it matters, just don't visit those states.
I certainly wish the States had done as you suggested, it certainly would have been easier and far less divisive than the current Healthcare Bill has become.
But some things are too important to wait on.
We waited for over a century for minorities in the South to be treated equally, the States certainly could have ensured everyone's civil rights were respected in that time. They didn't.
Therefore, the Federal Government was forced to step in an ensure that the rights of all were respected.
Again, some things are simply too important to wait for.