Yes... firefox failed me on that one for some reason. Though the SATs didn't have a "spelling" section I actually used to be decent at spelling things. Advent "little red lines that underline your stoopidiee" and my spelling went down the crapper.
So you're saying that a vast majority of homeschoolers just happen to be 30-40 percent smarter than those in public schools?
From a 2009 study
The education level of the parents made a noticeable difference, but the homeschooled children of non-college educated parents still scored in the 83rd percentile, which is well above the national average.
Neither parent has a college degree-83rd percentile
One parent has a college degree-86th percentile
Both parents have a college degree-90th percentile
Here's that study.
I know it's in style here on slashdot to vomit out "correlation does not equal causation" every time someone shows you a study you don't like, but do you really think that all those homeschoolers were just born with high IQs and just happen to be that smart? That's called sticking your head in the sand and no one is fooled by your mantra of "no it's not, no it's not". Just ask George Bush.
Good question. This study does agree that household income does affect the outcome of homeschoolers on tests.
You ready for this?
$34,999 or less - 85th percentile
$35,000-$49,999 - 86th percentile
$50,000-$69,999 - 86th percentile
$70,000 or more - 89th percentile
WOW!!!! (Note: incoming sarcasm) Yeah... those homeschooling parents who have all the money sure are the only ones who succeed! Why... there's a whole 4 percentage points between the lowest socioeconomic group and the highest one. Dang... you sure shot a hole in my argument.
I'm not sure why you say you are "wiping me out". Everything you said I agree with. Your story is exactly what the "coloration doesn't equal causation" people DON'T want to hear. There are significant and obvious advantages to homeschooling.
Yes. In Arizona the scholarship (forgive my previous misspelling) I got is available to anyone who scores in the 95th percentile on their SAT scores. It was specifically implemented in Arizona because homeschoolers don't have diplomas or GEDs but it is still available to anyone (high school drop-outs included) who scores that high.
Check thiscitation out. Homeschoolers, on average, score 30-37% higher in every subject than public schoolers. And children who have been homeschooled for 2 or more years do better than that, they usually score in the 87th to 92nd percentile.
Absolutely correct. Studies consistently show that homeschoolers are ridiculously better prepared than students who have been through the public school system. A study in 1997 (admittedly 12 years ago) showed that students who have been homeschooled for two years or more usually score between the 86th and 92nd percentile in every subject. linky
Homeschooling has its problems, usually social ones, but academically, homeschooling nearly always produces vastly better educated children.
I was homeschooled for all of my primary and secondary education in Arizona (a VERY good state to be homeschooled in because of the LACK of regulation it puts on homeschoolers. It seems Arizona has realized that homeschooling produces MUCH smarter kids and it is best to leave government well out of it) and don't have a High School Diploma or GED. I got a FULL SCHOOLERSHIP into ANY state school (ASU, UofA or NAU) because my SAT scores were nearly perfect. Get that GP. I. Didn't. Pay. Anything. Because. I. Was. Homeschooled.
Most homeschooling parents have found out that it is an incredible sacrifice to stay home and teach your child yourself, but it is one of the best ways of showing your love for your child by providing an actual education for them instead of the public system that is failing so many children across the country.
The issue at hand is the guy is forcing the students to troll, and to troll with philosophy that isn't shared by all Christians, possibly not even by the students themselves.
I totally agree. Someone once said, and I agree that "University teaches you how to think, seminary teaches you what to think." It's no wonder that so many "Pastors" of churches are douchebags, they have no idea how to think for themselves and they have no skills other than trolling.
I get so tired of the two myths that often come up among discussions about Christian history regarding the "virgin" Mary. Don't get me wrong, Christianity is rife with messed up history and people doing things in the name of Christ that are despicable and wrong but the whole conspiracy that the church "created the Virgin Mary to appease..." reeks of ignorance and WAAAY too much faith in the non-research, clearly-disproved "facts" of overambitious, poorly-skilled novel writers (seriously... does anyone think Dan Brown is a good writer?).
Dislike and take issue with it all you want but the Bible (the currently accepted cannon) has been consistent in its assertion that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born. The "Gospel of Luke" and the "Gospel of Matthew" both clearly say it and have both been reliably dated to before 100 AD (check the sources on those articles in wikipedia). 100 AD is FAR before anyone was thinking about converting Germanic tribes or the tribes of South America (the other common myth of when the Virgin Mary was first created). Constantine was emperor of Rome from 324-337 and even skeptics of the pre-100 dating of Luke and Matthew don't date them after that.
Christianity has its flaws and its screwed up followers but to start spouting clearly refuted conspiracy theories in an attempt to discredit it does a disservice to those who reasonably object to the accuracy of the Bible or the core beliefs of Christianity as a whole.
Can you seriously not understand the differences in the responses
Atheist: No
Theist: Yes
Agnostic: I cannot know
To get mad the agnostic for not answering "yes" or "no" is just as stupid at getting mad at the guy who doesn't respond with a simple "yes" or "no" to the question: "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
No... you don't understand how the bing cashback thing works. I didn't find the product through google. I found it through slickdeals.net and the price was $25 whether you search for it in a search engine or you just know the website already. The bing cashback service is something that credits money outside of the actual merchant. I paid T-Mobile $25. If I had used bing or google or had just gone to tmobile.com I would have paid $25. Because I searched for it with the shopping service with bing it had a cashback option that credits my checking account the $7 60 days after the purchase (to make sure I don't buy the product then return it and get the free $7 from bing). It has nothing to do with a "discount". It is actually a good deal.
I used it when someone on slickdeals posted that you can save a bit of money searching for your purchase through bing and then buying it from the link bing gives. I saved $7 on a $25 item. I won't use it as a search engine instead of Google, but when I want to buy something online I'll see if bing offers a cashback option on it. You have to sign up for a hotmail account and go through all of the windows live id crap to get the cash but for a 30% discount that's worth the hassle of creating an account that I'll never use for anything else. Meh... I may not be using bing as a primary search engine (so Google is losing none of my business) but I'll use it to see if my product can get any cheaper.
I'll start this off with the admission that I am a white, conservative, Christian, heterosexual male (some times referred to as "the source of all the world's problems"). When I read this summary I was spurred to go look into Sotamayor's previous rulings and how that might effect her future ones. I have heard the talking heads on both sides (I have a 1 hour drive to work each day and mostly listen to NPR... meh... it's something to listen to) and hadn't come to a conclusion about my opinion of her. I think the Federal Supreme Court is currently the most powerful entity in the USA, all the more so when it's prospective members have been quoted (jokingly or not) saying that policy is made from the bench.
All that being said, I was hesitant to hold a specific opinion on her appointment to the FSC. So I did some research... WIKIPEDIA FTW!!!
It turns out (following the wikipedia links and using Google when they ran out for extra source material) that I... usually agreed with her. She seems to hold strictly to the letter of the law and her interpretations of it seem to be in line with what mine would usually be. She held up a man's rights to say racist, bigoted, ugly things, she dissented in a ruling that upheld a juvenile detention center's right to strip search young girls (convicted of no crime, being held in suspicion of committing no crime), and she upheld the rights of the NFL to set it's own rules for who can play in the league saying "We follow the Supreme Court's lead in declining to 'fashion an antitrust exemption [so as to give] additional advantages to professional football players... that transport workers, coal miners, or meat packers would not enjoy" (though wikipedia says there is a citation needed for that quote). There are other rulings listed that I agree with, and some that I don't, but as a whole I find that I generally agree with what I've read about her.
She's right, by the way, in saying that experience and culture influence judgment. It would be nice if it didn't but that is just not possible in people's brains. We are not computers. We are living, breathing, feeling, emotional, prejudiced, loving, bigoted, beings. We cannot get around that. To all those who don't like that idea, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING 9 PEOPLE ON THE BENCH IS FOR THIS VERY REASON. We cannot trust ONE person to make the final judgment because that person will see an issue through their own clouded perspective. So we add a reasonable amount of others and appoint those who have shown that they push through their cloudy view more than most... and hope for the best.
The system is inherently flawed because it involves people. We put the best people up there and hope that it has as few flaws as possible.
You will invariably find that in any clampdown on prostitution it is only the prostitutes who are targeted by authorities. Never the clients.
That is just BS. Phoenix, AZ often has prostitution stings and the prostitutes are NEVER the targets. Undercover policewomen pose as hookers and as soon as the John solicites sex they are arrested and sent to prison for a long time. It's not a small deal here.
The heraldextra link is slashdotted but Google has plenty of examples of what the "TSA Porn" pictures are. I could see why people would take offense to these shots. It wouldn't bother me a whole lot if it was a picture of myself but I can identify with the Representative that I wouldn't want anyone to look at these kinds of images of my wife or children.
It's hard to give full credit to Obama for all of these inspiring speeches because he has been caught plagiarizing other speeches before. To my knowledge he has not fessed up to that (not that ANY politician ever fesses up to a mistake). You can see here one of the many examples. Heck, even the famous "Yes We Can" speech was ripped off of Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers from back in 1972.
Before you go lambasting me as "just another conservative who wants to hate on Obama" just know that I am a registered Independent and have no affiliation with either the Dems or the Reps and just want to vote with as much information as possible.
Are you certain you want to be emotionally attached to the kind of person who cannot even form their own opinion and, what's worse, won't let you form it, but would rather have a large corporation's brainwashing machine form it?
You CLEARLY do not have a girlfriend. You effectively asked the GP
"Do you want to be around someone with a vagina or sit in the basement and wonder why people let large corporation's brainwash them?"
The reason Visa is a "bad OS" is because, to the average user, it is MUCH slower than XP.
The reason for most of that is because MS jammed it down the throats of anyone buying a new PC in the last two years.
Last year was the first year laptop sales were higher than desktop sales. Vista came pre-installed on nearly all of those laptop sales. Nearly all of those laptops were overloaded with bloatware from the manufacturer but the average user just blames Vista for being slow.
So yes... it is fair to call Vista a "bad OS" because MS screwed it up. They forced it onto the laptops that it shouldn't have been on.
Being the family/friend I.T guy I cannot tell you how many people I know who have bought a new laptop in the last two years and asked me if I can make their computer faster. They miss XP and all they know to blame is Vista.
Vista is a "bad OS" because the average user says so, not because of anything under the hood.
He's there, he's just hidden in a useless easter egg that took 100 hours and 100,000 of the new lines of code. Yes, I checked... trust me... he's there.
Mars Hill has been known for its controversy and new ways of doing things. Mark Driscoll (the pastor) has alienated a lot of mainstream conservative pastors out there. It's not surprising that he encourages his congregation to use new trends to expand his influence. He is drawing in a lot of younger audiences than most more established churches. We will see how long that lasts and if it some day implodes on itself like most of these trendy ministries kinda do.
Thank you for rephrasing my question so well. I used the word "nerd" far too broadly in my original question.
I consider myself a "Technophile" and have never felt drawn to the "Japanophile" culture. I LOVE Tolkien (can almost speak elvish), understand those who love Star Trek/Star Wars (I camped outside a movie theatre for 36 hours to be the first one into Episode I and nearly cried when Jar Jar was my reward) and I really do enjoy Sci-Fi.
I have seen some manga/anime and, maybe because Japanese culture is so different from my own, find myself often annoyed with some of what seems absurd to me. Why do they have to SAY what they are doing ALL THE TIME? ("I'll use flaming arrow fart to confuse him while I kick high in the air to thwart his dragon breath insticts" (wat the hell?)).
Anyway, I just don't get drawn into it all like it seems many other technophiles are and I find myself wondering why.
I appreciate the point. I did use "nerd" a bit to broadly. When I said "nerd" I was referring more to the tech/gadget/has an education in I.T/wants to get an education in I.T/etc. I think most would agree that this kind of "nerd" makes up the majority voice on slashdot and, while I feel community with that majority, I don't feel community with those who enjoy manga/anime. I am confused why those two groups so often overlap.
So I have an honest question.
How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga. However, whenever I browse online nerdy things (/. in this example) Manga seems a prevalent thing. Can people tell me how you got into it and why you like it?
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Yes... firefox failed me on that one for some reason. Though the SATs didn't have a "spelling" section I actually used to be decent at spelling things. Advent "little red lines that underline your stoopidiee" and my spelling went down the crapper.
From a 2009 study
The education level of the parents made a noticeable difference, but the homeschooled children of non-college educated parents still scored in the 83rd percentile, which is well above the national average.
Neither parent has a college degree-83rd percentile
One parent has a college degree-86th percentile
Both parents have a college degree-90th percentile
Here's that study.
I know it's in style here on slashdot to vomit out "correlation does not equal causation" every time someone shows you a study you don't like, but do you really think that all those homeschoolers were just born with high IQs and just happen to be that smart? That's called sticking your head in the sand and no one is fooled by your mantra of "no it's not, no it's not". Just ask George Bush.
Good question. This study does agree that household income does affect the outcome of homeschoolers on tests.
You ready for this?
$34,999 or less - 85th percentile
$35,000-$49,999 - 86th percentile
$50,000-$69,999 - 86th percentile
$70,000 or more - 89th percentile
WOW!!!! (Note: incoming sarcasm) Yeah... those homeschooling parents who have all the money sure are the only ones who succeed! Why... there's a whole 4 percentage points between the lowest socioeconomic group and the highest one. Dang... you sure shot a hole in my argument.
I'm not sure why you say you are "wiping me out". Everything you said I agree with. Your story is exactly what the "coloration doesn't equal causation" people DON'T want to hear. There are significant and obvious advantages to homeschooling.
Yes. In Arizona the scholarship (forgive my previous misspelling) I got is available to anyone who scores in the 95th percentile on their SAT scores. It was specifically implemented in Arizona because homeschoolers don't have diplomas or GEDs but it is still available to anyone (high school drop-outs included) who scores that high.
Check thiscitation out. Homeschoolers, on average, score 30-37% higher in every subject than public schoolers. And children who have been homeschooled for 2 or more years do better than that, they usually score in the 87th to 92nd percentile.
Absolutely correct. Studies consistently show that homeschoolers are ridiculously better prepared than students who have been through the public school system. A study in 1997 (admittedly 12 years ago) showed that students who have been homeschooled for two years or more usually score between the 86th and 92nd percentile in every subject.
linky
Homeschooling has its problems, usually social ones, but academically, homeschooling nearly always produces vastly better educated children.
I was homeschooled for all of my primary and secondary education in Arizona (a VERY good state to be homeschooled in because of the LACK of regulation it puts on homeschoolers. It seems Arizona has realized that homeschooling produces MUCH smarter kids and it is best to leave government well out of it) and don't have a High School Diploma or GED. I got a FULL SCHOOLERSHIP into ANY state school (ASU, UofA or NAU) because my SAT scores were nearly perfect. Get that GP. I. Didn't. Pay. Anything. Because. I. Was. Homeschooled.
Most homeschooling parents have found out that it is an incredible sacrifice to stay home and teach your child yourself, but it is one of the best ways of showing your love for your child by providing an actual education for them instead of the public system that is failing so many children across the country.
The issue at hand is the guy is forcing the students to troll, and to troll with philosophy that isn't shared by all Christians, possibly not even by the students themselves.
I totally agree. Someone once said, and I agree that "University teaches you how to think, seminary teaches you what to think." It's no wonder that so many "Pastors" of churches are douchebags, they have no idea how to think for themselves and they have no skills other than trolling.
Ok... I'll bite.
I get so tired of the two myths that often come up among discussions about Christian history regarding the "virgin" Mary. Don't get me wrong, Christianity is rife with messed up history and people doing things in the name of Christ that are despicable and wrong but the whole conspiracy that the church "created the Virgin Mary to appease..." reeks of ignorance and WAAAY too much faith in the non-research, clearly-disproved "facts" of overambitious, poorly-skilled novel writers (seriously... does anyone think Dan Brown is a good writer?).
Dislike and take issue with it all you want but the Bible (the currently accepted cannon) has been consistent in its assertion that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born. The "Gospel of Luke" and the "Gospel of Matthew" both clearly say it and have both been reliably dated to before 100 AD (check the sources on those articles in wikipedia). 100 AD is FAR before anyone was thinking about converting Germanic tribes or the tribes of South America (the other common myth of when the Virgin Mary was first created). Constantine was emperor of Rome from 324-337 and even skeptics of the pre-100 dating of Luke and Matthew don't date them after that.
Christianity has its flaws and its screwed up followers but to start spouting clearly refuted conspiracy theories in an attempt to discredit it does a disservice to those who reasonably object to the accuracy of the Bible or the core beliefs of Christianity as a whole.
Can you seriously not understand the differences in the responses
Atheist: No
Theist: Yes
Agnostic: I cannot know
To get mad the agnostic for not answering "yes" or "no" is just as stupid at getting mad at the guy who doesn't respond with a simple "yes" or "no" to the question: "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
No... you don't understand how the bing cashback thing works. I didn't find the product through google. I found it through slickdeals.net and the price was $25 whether you search for it in a search engine or you just know the website already. The bing cashback service is something that credits money outside of the actual merchant. I paid T-Mobile $25. If I had used bing or google or had just gone to tmobile.com I would have paid $25. Because I searched for it with the shopping service with bing it had a cashback option that credits my checking account the $7 60 days after the purchase (to make sure I don't buy the product then return it and get the free $7 from bing). It has nothing to do with a "discount". It is actually a good deal.
I used it when someone on slickdeals posted that you can save a bit of money searching for your purchase through bing and then buying it from the link bing gives. I saved $7 on a $25 item. I won't use it as a search engine instead of Google, but when I want to buy something online I'll see if bing offers a cashback option on it. You have to sign up for a hotmail account and go through all of the windows live id crap to get the cash but for a 30% discount that's worth the hassle of creating an account that I'll never use for anything else. Meh... I may not be using bing as a primary search engine (so Google is losing none of my business) but I'll use it to see if my product can get any cheaper.
Queue someone registering supremecourtlatinajusticeporn.com
Never question rule 34 man...
I'll start this off with the admission that I am a white, conservative, Christian, heterosexual male (some times referred to as "the source of all the world's problems"). When I read this summary I was spurred to go look into Sotamayor's previous rulings and how that might effect her future ones. I have heard the talking heads on both sides (I have a 1 hour drive to work each day and mostly listen to NPR... meh... it's something to listen to) and hadn't come to a conclusion about my opinion of her. I think the Federal Supreme Court is currently the most powerful entity in the USA, all the more so when it's prospective members have been quoted (jokingly or not) saying that policy is made from the bench.
... that transport workers, coal miners, or meat packers would not enjoy" (though wikipedia says there is a citation needed for that quote). There are other rulings listed that I agree with, and some that I don't, but as a whole I find that I generally agree with what I've read about her.
All that being said, I was hesitant to hold a specific opinion on her appointment to the FSC. So I did some research... WIKIPEDIA FTW!!!
It turns out (following the wikipedia links and using Google when they ran out for extra source material) that I... usually agreed with her. She seems to hold strictly to the letter of the law and her interpretations of it seem to be in line with what mine would usually be. She held up a man's rights to say racist, bigoted, ugly things, she dissented in a ruling that upheld a juvenile detention center's right to strip search young girls (convicted of no crime, being held in suspicion of committing no crime), and she upheld the rights of the NFL to set it's own rules for who can play in the league saying "We follow the Supreme Court's lead in declining to 'fashion an antitrust exemption [so as to give] additional advantages to professional football players
She's right, by the way, in saying that experience and culture influence judgment. It would be nice if it didn't but that is just not possible in people's brains. We are not computers. We are living, breathing, feeling, emotional, prejudiced, loving, bigoted, beings. We cannot get around that. To all those who don't like that idea, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING 9 PEOPLE ON THE BENCH IS FOR THIS VERY REASON. We cannot trust ONE person to make the final judgment because that person will see an issue through their own clouded perspective. So we add a reasonable amount of others and appoint those who have shown that they push through their cloudy view more than most... and hope for the best.
The system is inherently flawed because it involves people. We put the best people up there and hope that it has as few flaws as possible.
They are Tyrannosauruses and we must listen to their phone calls!
You will invariably find that in any clampdown on prostitution it is only the prostitutes who are targeted by authorities. Never the clients.
That is just BS. Phoenix, AZ often has prostitution stings and the prostitutes are NEVER the targets. Undercover policewomen pose as hookers and as soon as the John solicites sex they are arrested and sent to prison for a long time. It's not a small deal here.
The heraldextra link is slashdotted but Google has plenty of examples of what the "TSA Porn" pictures are. I could see why people would take offense to these shots. It wouldn't bother me a whole lot if it was a picture of myself but I can identify with the Representative that I wouldn't want anyone to look at these kinds of images of my wife or children.
It's hard to give full credit to Obama for all of these inspiring speeches because he has been caught plagiarizing other speeches before. To my knowledge he has not fessed up to that (not that ANY politician ever fesses up to a mistake). You can see here one of the many examples. Heck, even the famous "Yes We Can" speech was ripped off of Cesar Chavez and the United Farm Workers from back in 1972.
Before you go lambasting me as "just another conservative who wants to hate on Obama" just know that I am a registered Independent and have no affiliation with either the Dems or the Reps and just want to vote with as much information as possible.
Are you certain you want to be emotionally attached to the kind of person who cannot even form their own opinion and, what's worse, won't let you form it, but would rather have a large corporation's brainwashing machine form it?
You CLEARLY do not have a girlfriend. You effectively asked the GP
"Do you want to be around someone with a vagina or sit in the basement and wonder why people let large corporation's brainwash them?"
The reason Visa is a "bad OS" is because, to the average user, it is MUCH slower than XP.
The reason for most of that is because MS jammed it down the throats of anyone buying a new PC in the last two years.
Last year was the first year laptop sales were higher than desktop sales. Vista came pre-installed on nearly all of those laptop sales. Nearly all of those laptops were overloaded with bloatware from the manufacturer but the average user just blames Vista for being slow.
So yes... it is fair to call Vista a "bad OS" because MS screwed it up. They forced it onto the laptops that it shouldn't have been on.
Being the family/friend I.T guy I cannot tell you how many people I know who have bought a new laptop in the last two years and asked me if I can make their computer faster. They miss XP and all they know to blame is Vista.
Vista is a "bad OS" because the average user says so, not because of anything under the hood.
He's there, he's just hidden in a useless easter egg that took 100 hours and 100,000 of the new lines of code. Yes, I checked... trust me... he's there.
Mars Hill has been known for its controversy and new ways of doing things. Mark Driscoll (the pastor) has alienated a lot of mainstream conservative pastors out there. It's not surprising that he encourages his congregation to use new trends to expand his influence. He is drawing in a lot of younger audiences than most more established churches. We will see how long that lasts and if it some day implodes on itself like most of these trendy ministries kinda do.
Thank you for rephrasing my question so well. I used the word "nerd" far too broadly in my original question.
I consider myself a "Technophile" and have never felt drawn to the "Japanophile" culture. I LOVE Tolkien (can almost speak elvish), understand those who love Star Trek/Star Wars (I camped outside a movie theatre for 36 hours to be the first one into Episode I and nearly cried when Jar Jar was my reward) and I really do enjoy Sci-Fi.
I have seen some manga/anime and, maybe because Japanese culture is so different from my own, find myself often annoyed with some of what seems absurd to me. Why do they have to SAY what they are doing ALL THE TIME? ("I'll use flaming arrow fart to confuse him while I kick high in the air to thwart his dragon breath insticts" (wat the hell?)).
Anyway, I just don't get drawn into it all like it seems many other technophiles are and I find myself wondering why.
I appreciate the point. I did use "nerd" a bit to broadly. When I said "nerd" I was referring more to the tech/gadget/has an education in I.T/wants to get an education in I.T/etc. I think most would agree that this kind of "nerd" makes up the majority voice on slashdot and, while I feel community with that majority, I don't feel community with those who enjoy manga/anime. I am confused why those two groups so often overlap.
So I have an honest question. How did Manga/Anime become such a nerd thing? I have been a nerd for quite a few years now and none of my nerd friends (RL friends that is) are into Manga. However, whenever I browse online nerdy things (/. in this example) Manga seems a prevalent thing. Can people tell me how you got into it and why you like it?