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Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker
Hugh Pickens writes "Fox News reports that 'Vice President Joe Biden, well-known for his verbal gaffes, may have finally outdone himself, divulging potentially classified information meant to save the life of a sitting vice president.' According to the report, while recently attending the Gridiron Club dinner in Washington, an annual event where powerful politicians and media elite get a chance to cozy up to one another, Biden told his dinnermates about the existence of a secret bunker under the old US Naval Observatory, which is now the home of the vice president. Although earlier reports had placed the Vice-Presidential hide-out in a highly secure complex of buildings inside Raven Rock Mountain near Blue Ridge Summit, Pennsylvania, Fox News reports that the Naval Observatory bunker is believed to be the secure, undisclosed location former Vice President Dick Cheney remained under protection in secret after the 9/11 attacks. According to the report, Biden 'said a young naval officer giving him a tour of the residence showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment.' According to Eleanor Clift, Newsweek magazine's Washington contributing editor 'the officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn't be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall.' In December 2002, neighbors complained of loud construction work being done at the Naval Observatory, which has been used as a residence by vice presidents since 1974. The upset neighbors were sent a letter by the observatory's superintendent, calling the work 'sensitive in nature' and 'classified' and that it was urgent it be completed on a highly accelerated schedule."
Sounds like one of those open secrets like "When did the shuttle launch?"
"Sorry, it's carrying a classified military payload and we cannot comment on it."
"I heard a loud rumble at 2pm and saw a pillar of fire rising from the Cape. Was that the shuttle?"
"We can neither confirm nor deny."
"Then I'll post it on the internet."
"ZOMG!!!! Teh tarrists know everything now! Throw this man in prison!"
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Ahh, the Dem. version of Dan Quayle.
Conservative, mod down for violating
Does anyone currently have the job of following Biden around at all times with a tape player handy, ready to play the "Whaaah whaaah whhhaaaaaaahhhhh" sound whenever it's needed? Because that sounds like it would be a sweet gig.
This documentary shows you why Joe Biden is still a better vice president than Dick Chaney.
Even if this is accurate -- which, given the source, I kinda doubt -- so freakin' what? Looks like /. is taking a page from the Fark playbook and posting flamebait worthy articles to drum up page clicks.
Now THAT is how government transparency is done!
The old US Naval Observatory was located in Foggy Bottom, just across from where the Kennedy Center is now. If you are coming in from Virginia across the Roosevelt Bridge, you can see at one point the old dome for the 26 inch telescope, where Hall discovered the moons of Mars.
This site is now the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery for the Navy. I bet that the article is referring to a bunker at Observatory Circle.
"Tricky Dick" has been used, and it certainly doesn't fit this guy.
"What a fucking moron" fits, but it is too generic. You could be referring to almost everyone in the Federal government.
"Dopey" might be a nice fit. Maybe we can get Disney to sue him for copyright violation.
Suggestions?
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Look, it doesn't matter if the whole world knows where Biden's hideout is; after all, if there is a nuclear attack on the east coast not much will be left.
Haven't any of you been playing Fallout 3?
If "disco" means "I learn" in Latin, does "discothèque" mean "I learn technology"?
Clearly the Bush Administration's respect for classified information has continued in the Obama Administration!
(For the sarcasm-impaired, I DO know that the Bush Administration had no more respect for classified information than Biden is demonstrating here.)
Somehow it's a major gaffe and security lapse to let on that there's a secure bunker under the official residence of the Vice President? I think if you'd asked me if there was one before reading this story, I'd just have assumed so.
Sorry, this is making a story out of basically nothing. I think Biden's kind of a putz sometimes, but this is just kinda bullshitty.
Yes, if there's one North American politician of the last decade who's been well-known for his verbal gaffes, the first name to leap to mind is of course none other than Joe Biden.
It should read, "Biden reveals location of Vice President's House". I lived in DC for a long time, and I'm pretty sure every one there knows where the Vice President lives.
This is the worst article I've seen on slashdot in a long time. Not only is the content nonsensical, most of the submission is copied directly from the foxnews "article", but it doesn't have quotes around the copied text.
That's nothing. Just imagine what Cheney didn't tell us!
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Excuse me, but it isn't a secret when EVERYONE already knows guys. If you didn't know, you must have missed the news regarding all of the construction at the house when Dick was in residence. All of the neighbors complaining about the round the clock heavy equipment use making the ground shake. That is when everyone was saying that they were probably expanding/renovating the bunker under the house.
But hey, keep the non-news coming.
Open secret is right. I live about three quarters of a mile from the Naval Observatory and the government had to pay for damage, caused by the blasting, to the foundations of nearby residences (including at least one embassy). The local community governmental organization gathered and disseminated the procedures for getting such payments. Why is this considered news and even in Slashdot?
Here in the UK, HM Gov has so many holes in its' intelligence services that council-employed signmakers know where our shelters are!
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Better than having your enemy not know where you are is to have them *think* they know where you are.
The report did come from Faux News, after all. They're not exactly known for their impartiality. When was the last time they reported anything positive about a Democrat? (Other than a story about a Democrat that disagrees with the majority of other Democrats.)
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WTF? I would have expected it to have had a secure bunker installed a long time ago. I don't mean Greenbrier type bunker but something substantial that would take care of the most obvious emergencies.
Perhaps it's a diversion. "Yeah, we're hiding in this bunker here. Bomb this one." while all the time they're somewhere else entirely.
If the bbc could figure out it was there from reporters on the ground, outside of a secure zone, I'm fairly certain Russia, China, et al., knew exactly what was going on from spy satellites. You know... the people that this would actually be relevant to.
$10 says he isn't Obama's running mate next election.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2559617.stm Seems the BBC revealed the "secret" location long before Biden. Yet another Fox news lets make a story out of nothing event.
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I'd be more surprised if there weren't a bunker under the VP's residence.
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When the reports of neighbors complaining there was dynamite being set off at the residence for construction everyone pretty much knew it was for a bunker. It's been assume for 6 years now.
Is this the vault where all the clones go nuts and kill everyone or the one with the virus that makes all the super mutants?
And this is a problem, how?
Did anyone think there was NOT some nearby secure location?
Now if he'd added "and of course there are three escape tunnels surfacing at hidden helipads at X, Y, and Z," THEN maybe it would be a goof.
Ask the pizza delivery drivers.
No joke, I was assigned to a tactical response unit while I was in the Marine Corps. I can't discuss much of the specifics, but we would get locked up in a highly secure facility just out side of Washington in case of an "emergency". The existence of the facility at the time was considered top secret.
Unfortunately, the local staff would often order out for food, and have it delivered.
So the secret wasn't all that secret, and is even less so now, seeing as how /. is posting about it.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
that he's an idiot.
Seriously. Obama had the diversity thing down. That's good, however there are many voters who that sort of thing worries. They find comfort in "experience". in politics, that means an old white guy. You can argue they shouldn't care, but they do. Yes, even democrats. That's what Biden brought. He also brought connections to special interest groups, who are powerful in terms of elections. Obama himself didn't have many of those connections, since he is a young politician. Biden on the other hand is deep within Hollywood's pocket, among others.
Now I'm sure to you these aren't bonus points and I'm not saying they are for me either. Just saying that's what they brought to Obama. McCain had the experienced, old white guy thing down. That was one thing he could sell really strongly: "I know about politics and war. I've been there, and done that. You can trust me to make decisions from a position of experience." Biden was to help balance that.
Same deal with Palin on the other side. McCain brought her in for two reasons:
1) To solidify the fundy base. The fundies were none too happy with his nomination. They wanted another fundy president and deluded themselves in to thinking the nation would go with it. So there was a real risk of losing them. No, they wouldn't vote for Obama, but they might get disenfranchised and not vote. Palin cemented them in for McCain.
2) To get the diversity vote. A young, and rather attractive, female. Goes well to deal with Obama's diversity. This is doubly true since there were women's groups that were bitter about Clinton losing. Stupid, but they really did vote for McCain because he chose a female vice president.
Of course what McCain didn't count on was that she was as big a nit wit as she is, and that the press would give her so much play. Normally vice presidents are rather non-entities. They are picked for the reason I stated: To make the president look good in various ways with various groups. However the media really let Palin have it and gave her a chance to sit her foot firmly in her mouth. Gave plenty of people pause when they realized how crazy she was.
...is like saying "this video I saw" to about 95% of humans on planet Earth.
0% of valuable information.
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Wait, the vaunted 'undisclosed location' is just the basement of the vice president's normal house?
I'm sure these were the signs to where he was talking about !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01211/2712signs5_1211111i.jpg or was it this one http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gCDgR3gVP9B6/610x.jpg. Both are totally safe for work
What a dumbass
Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion, you must set yourself on fire.
I find his honestly refreshing.
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Leave it to the media to keep my ape mind entertained and mesmerized!
Biden tells a handful of people, Newsweek does a blog entry on it, FOX posts a news story on their site about it. Who is the biggest leaker here?
I mean who would want to kidnap or kill that guy anyway? He's a worthless decoration. It would be like stealing the picture on the wall when you're inside Fort Knox. ^^
Besides, when you'd abduct him, he might trip and fall over himself, dying in the process. Who would want to clean up all the dimensions of that mess? ^^
He'd be perfectly safe, sitting right next to Osama and the forty holy warriors.
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Anyone with the resources and willingness to make an attempt on the VP's life would have known this. Just because YOU didn't know doesn't make this some awful security breach.
BTW, we also have secure bunkers under the White House. ZOMG!!!
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
With a "dumb" electorate, you get "leaders" who have little or no training in economics, business, international relations or governance. Thus we get people who often have money or married it and smile enough in good looking cloths with cute one sentence sound bites to amuse people who get their news & "analysis" in one sentence sound bites and the electorate then ELECT those, hmm, 'political actors'. We should not be surprised at the empty heads in WDC. Rather to be expected.
This guy is like another Quayle.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I don't think we're using the right term to describe Cheney's secret hideout. While "Bunker" does have a nicely Hitlerian ring to it, I think either "Lair" or "Crypt" are more in tune with Cheyney. Perhaps if it needs a name, R'lyeh will do.
Some mornings it's hardly worth chewing through the restraints to get out of bed.
Biden is an idiot. We have got to keep Obama alive!!!!
BTW, I voted for the other guys - their many flaws were better IMHO.
.. worthless without pics.
The location and description of this bunker is in Bob Woodward's latest book, The War Within , published by Simon & Schuster on 8 September 2008.
The Naval Observatory?
So it's not inaccurate to call the VP a "Naval gazer"?
I was staying in the Omni Shoreham hotel, which is like a block away, and I noticed that the Observatory was all pixeled out on Google Maps. It makes sense, though, that's it's a bunker site. I can't say I'm surprised at all. There are bunkers all over DC.
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You know they do a basic newscast once in a while?
I have no use for any of the cable news networks anymore, but this meme of crying "Faux News lies!" when they so much as give a weather forecast is beyond old and tired.
And the fact that this is being widely reported and appears to be very true just make you look like an even vaster tool.
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..or was this some divisive way of furthering some other objective? Like, maybe getting a better bunker built somewhere else. I.e. Now they have to.
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I ate that apple. Some of the best and worst times of my life. Some of the best and worst of society are contained in there.
Now, what exactly did I give away? That I was assigned to a unit? That we would be stationed at a facility? That's hardly telling anything of merit.
The facility had been (when I was in) top secret. While I was in the Corps, I was aware of civilian delivers to the facility. Since I have left active duty, I have learned that the facility I would have been working at has been declassified.
zOMG, string me up like a traitor for leaking vague references to a facility that is no longer top secret and has had it's location plastered on the front page of /.
I tell ya what, go down to your local recruiter and join up. You appear to hold Marines in quite high regard, so why not be all you can be? I can assure you, surviving even just a 4 year tour will be far more rewarding to your life than any amount of keyboard jockeying.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
If our country/leaders could keep a secret about anything it would be the greatest miracle EVER. I don't see Jesus being threatened in the 'miracle' category on this one...
...yet another target for Al qaeda to pin a 'red' tack onto.
If African-Americans were not racist, then at most 65% of them would have supported Obama.
I think you may want to look into look into the percentage of African Americans that vote Democrat regardless of race.
You mean John Sidney McCain?
I just hope he doesn't reveal that the bunker under Cheyenne Mountain is still in operation, and why are his eyes glowing?
That is so far from being newsworthy, it's almost funny.
It's pretty much a given that any facility that a world leader will spend a lot of time in, will have a safe room (bunker, if you will). I'd be fairly confident that the Whitehouse has one. The Pentagon is one. :) Camp David has a back entrance to Site-R/Raven Rock Mountain Complex. There's a ring of underground facilities in a 300 mile radius of DC (except for under the water, I assume) that may or may not be connected by a series of tunnels. It's not hard to find information on quite a few of them.
They aren't new. But, they're likely new to people who are surprised by the possibility of a safe room under the VP's residence.
And no, it's not a evil government conspiracy. It's good security. With a whole variety of safe locations to put the people you're suppose to protect, an aggressive attempt by a foreign power would be dramatically spread out to take every possible bunker location. Even with inside information, unless it's someone in the immediate proximity of the President, it would be very difficult for an aggressor to find him.
For example, say I was a secret service agent assigned to the POTUS. I know that there is an aggressive assault on known locations. I also know that someone inside is providing location details to the aggressor. I call in that he is now being transferred by limo to a site Northwest of DC. We send a driver in the limo by himself (with escort following) and then we take a rather plain looking suburban Southwest to another site. Ok, so the President is missing, but he's safe.
Would the aggressor know until the limo stops? Possibly. So instead of one or two known sites, it's almost anywhere in America. Once they can get on a VC-25, E-4B, C-32, or C-40 it becomes anywhere in the world. As far as that goes, he could end up on any sufficiently supplied aircraft (armor, flight range, etc). If they stay up long enough, it'd be a matter of maybe following refueling planes, unless they stop at random large airports for refueling. It may be a foreign government nervous if Air Force One lands at an arbitrary international airport with two fighters circling. :) It would be virtually impossible for a foreign aggressor to monitor every airport capable of taking large aircraft.
The large aircraft requirement gets interesting. In looking for the requirements of those planes, it appears 6k feet can get one down and back up safely. In that thread, someone mentions a C-5 landing a MKC (7k foot runway), and another person mentions a 747 landing at QRA. If it's not loaded down with baggage and passengers, and fuel is kept reasonable, they can get up and down on pretty short runways. It may not be quite as comfortable for the passenger, but I'm sure POTUS will understand in an emergency condition. :)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Ok so the idiot blurbs this to other people in a secure area. Then the news finds out and publicizes it. As if it wasn't a secret. Think news channels need to know when to shut the f' up
Keep displaying faux outrage about every minor thing that comes up in relation to Democratic Party in desperate attempt to change subject from the economic catastrophe Bush/Cheney caused.
I always thought that Cheney shared his "secret location" with Osama bin Laden. I mean, having two of them is kind of wasteful.
I like how Fox claims that this bunker was constructed at the end of 2002 and was used for Cheney to hide in after the WTC attacks. Either Dick was very, very patient, or one of their assumptions is off.
There are no high ranking elected Democratic Party members who go out and display the kind of public stupidity that the "best and the brightest" of the GOP, the top leaders of the Republican Party display on a daily basis.
While completely off-topic, I applaud you for having the courage for calling out racists of all colours. There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism affects every ethnic group out there.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
"In December 2002, neighbors complained of loud construction work being done at the Naval Observatory, which has been used as a residence by vice presidents since 1974." Oh my god, there is a bunker in the VP house?? Is there one under the White House too or is that also top secret?
gaffes, Merkowsky gaffes, Palin gaffes, Kyl gaffes...
You're ignoring the primary contests (mentioned above) between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, both democrats. Given a choice between two (more or less) identical Democrats, black voters overwhelmingly chose the black candidate. Women voters sometimes preferred the woman candidate, but not consistently and not by the margins seen with race-based voting.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
I may or may not have been involved in some part of the "contingency of government" operation where Cheney was during the days right after 9/11 and I may or may not have been in a bunker with him and I may or may not know where that was. AND they may or may not have gotten the location right.
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..and with one swift swoop..."Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker" assures us of there no longer being a potential assassination attempt on Obama. right?
There is no honor in hiding the truth, you submissive little soldier.
That would explain why Google Maps has deliberately obfuscated the US Naval Observatory: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.921448,-77.066914&spn=0.005451,0.011373&t=h&z=17 The current image (if you look closely) does not match the surrounding imagery - that's because it was taken prior to the start of construction. The previous image on the site was pixellated to reduce detail. LiveMaps Bird's Eye view is still at a lower resolution: http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qgm4g18kb2c9&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&scene=24019178&encType=1
I mean... in a full-scale nuclear war, does it really matter where the vice president is hiding out?
Given a choice between two (more or less) identical Democrats
Ah yes. And thus does our progress towards completely losing our ability to distinguish continue apace.
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no, she didn't. Look, I don't pay attention to that crap. She didn't say "I can see Russia from my house." She said that Alaska keeps an eye on Russia when they come across the border and implied that Alaska somehow keeps Russia in line.
Honestly, one make her look naive and one makes her dumb. I'm not sure which is worse.
You, sir, are the very definition of the term "tool."
And you just broke rule #1 and #2 of the Semper Fi club : never talk about Semper Fi.
You just got troll'd!
"To do otherwise is just to puff yourself up, and no real Marine needs to puff himself up."
Yeah, you sure made your point about how much better you are by pointing out how you don't need to... point it... out...
I don't know which is funnier, your average internet tough guy or your average 'I USED TO BE IN THE MARINES, I'M SO HARDCORE' tough guy. This guy's BOTH!
Your signature is oddly appropriate in this case.
However, I don't think Obama and Hillary were at all "more or less identical". Except to people who weren't interested in voting for either of them in the first place.
Democrats were fairly polarized over Hillary vs. Obama, and for once it wasn't because the candidates were overwhelmingly the same--it was because they were overwhelmingly different.
I currently have no clever signature witicism to add here.
Does it have a self-destruct for when the enemy is at the front door?
"Old bag" has more than one meaning.
This will be the ultimate test to see if time travel actually exists! If I wake up tomorrow morning and Vice President Cheney is dead, then we'll all know that traveling to the past and changing history can be done!
Hmm... wait, would I be typing this then?
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This must be where the man-sized safe is!
He didn't say what Cheney left in there did he? What or who, whatever.
The fact that he revealed it means the secret location is elsewhere.
The communications equipment is for YouTube and Netflix.
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Don't hear too many protests about that one. And of course, there's the famous outing of Air America, and its successor in Latin America. You have Dianne Feinstein confirming covert American operations in Pakistan, and so on.
Pretty much, Democrats don't really care about the secrecy of anything in the CIA, unless it suits them. 99% of the outrage over Valerie Plame's outing is obviously and utterly false.
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Absolutely correct. And let's not forget the huge number of African-Americans who supported Hillary. The nomination controversy (remember Michigan and Florida?) caused this to be of not-insubstantial concern to the Obama campaign.
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Keep displaying faux outrage about every minor thing that comes up in relation to Democratic Party in desperate attempt to change subject from the economic catastrophe Bush/Cheney caused.
Um, I might want to point out that the economy was doing quite well until the Democrats took over Congress. So what you call a Bush/Cheney catastrophe was actually a Pelosi/Reid catastrophe. Actually, to be completely fair, we can trace this back to the failures of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That would make it a Dodd/Frank catastrophe.
Remember, according to the Constitution, Congress controls the purse strings, and therefor the economy, not the President. All the president does is sign the budget into law or veto it, causing a governmental shut down.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
Well At Least he didn't Spell Potato Wrong.
> his most trusted aides
Can't believe this has gone overlooked so far. Dick Cheney has got aides!
The other thing to consider, as well, is the question of where that 65% number comes from. Perhaps if there were fewer white people who were racists--as well as people of other backgrounds--maybe the margin of victory would have been even greater, perhaps even similar to what it was among AfAm voters.
I think (note: opinion alert!) it's probably fair to assume that the percentage of non-AfAm voters who voted for McCain SOLELY because of his racial background is roughly equal to the percentage of AfAm voters who voted for Obama SOLELY because of his.
The CB App. What's your 20?
or start a pizza delivery operation
It doesn't necessarily matter if there were hints of the location in other publications. What matters is that Biden spilled it to the sharks (media), and now it's getting much more attention than it normally would have.
(sort of like "Yogi-isms only not clever or funny, just stupid bullshit)
Right after the stock market crash of 1929, FDR went on television to address the American people. Of course I always wondered what the Secretary of the Navy would talk about on TV, especially since the only person who might have been able to watch it was Philo T. Farnsworth.
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
What exactly does "potentially classified" mean? Something is either classified or it is not. News organizations are supposed to report facts, this is just speculation.
I'm a 2000 man.
People I know in the executive are under orders from not to say anything to the press about anything without clearing it with the white house. Even if it's already online.
I think they are setting up a giant wiki to post all information anyone needs to know, because, you know, if it's on the internet it must be true. I Have two theories:
1) BOFH theory: White House can just tell reporters to RTFM.
2) Password theory: They are still having trouble with their "logins".
He steadfastly supports draconian copyright measures and the like. Now maybe he's just doing it because he's a dumbass, I suppose there's that. However I think it is more likely that the man owes big media in some way, and thus tows their party line.
That is why people accuse him of being owned by Hollywood. It isn't because of anything secret or shady, it is because of voting record. He routinely pushes for laws with regards to copyright that many would call unconstitutional, and nearly all would call unfair to the consumer.
So you tell me, what's your theory as to why he votes this way?
Oh, that'd be a loss.
Personally, I appreciate both your service and your honesty. My grandad, who I'm named after, served in two world wars and my Uncle hit the beach at Iwo Jima.
We need more Marines that are human beings, and fewer "soldiers" who are effectively mere robots that can be programmed to obey any order, no matter how foul. I'm sure you met both kinds during your service.
When you read Ernie Pyle and Bill Maudlin's stories of WWII, you realise that what distinguished the American fighting man from others was not his courage or his willpower - plenty of other nations (not least the Germans and British) had all that - but his willingness to subvert military expediency to serve basic morality. That's how we won the peace after the war... because people remembered that Americans were less likely use the cover of war to commit crimes, and more likely to show some basic decency to the local folks being crushed by the war.
Perhaps this is one of the first steps in this new transparent gov't we where told to expect? Next maybe Biden will accidentally bring us alien autopsy footage while commenting on the terrible interior design of Area 51.
You miss something, African-Americans are not distributed in the American socio-economic hierarchy the same way as other racial groups and thus their voting should not be expected to be similar to that of whites. Besides, when all the Republican Party has to offer African-Americans is Alan Keyes, failed trickle-down economic policies, beliefs like the government is always worse than private industry, and unfavorable social policies, the Republican party will lose again and again. Until Republicans are willing to modernize their views to bring them more in line with voters in order to capture more elected offices, they will continue to lose. Then, to prevent their election gains from lasting any more than an election cycle, these new views an policy goals cannot be marginalized by the old policy goals. Also any new policy goals will probably not be much like hard core libertarian views, if Ron Paul's performance and polls are any judge. Instead, Republicans will probably need to be pragmatic and open to compromise with Democrats. I wait to see this happen though, the continued extreme tilt further to the right of the Republican Party is still ongoing with its continuing intra-party bloodbath.
Impersonating Tycho from Penny Arcade since before there was a PA.
And how things have changed.
"Fox News reports that the Naval Observatory bunker is believed to be the secure, undisclosed location former Vice President Dick Cheney remained under protection in secret after the 9/11 attacks."
Believed by whom? By the person who wrote the announcement? By the janitor? By the janitor's 5 year old son?
Fox' Orewllian language has removed factuality from "news" a looong time ago.
From what I have read, on one has "actually" tested the "V.P. Fuhrer Bunker" out? Maybe Dick Cheney could test the bunker out for lets say, 20 years? Then there would be "No Doubt". Oh, and remember to put some food, and water in the bunker also; 20 years is a lot of radio broadcasting time...
You appear to hold Marines in quite high regard, so why not be all you can be?
Heh.. that's the Army. Don't think any Marine would ever make that mistake. Although you could say "Accelerate your life," since Marines are just the hiking division of the Navy. :P
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Why is it when a Democrat does something wrong the subject is immediately shifted to the prior administration? I simply don't get this.
Assuming Biden confirmed this he a) endangers those that would occupy that bunker b) now likely causes the construction of a new location.
Just imagine what it cost the country when that a**hole reporter exposed the Greenbriar location. How was this a good thing and how does it help by invoking the behavior of others? Two wrongs don't make a right. You people just don't get it. You're no better than those you complain about.
This provides a nice apples-to-apples comparison of democratic votes from 2004 to 2008. It's a nice source to quote when people bring up the "Blacks who voted for Obama were racist" meme.
It's been building for a hell of a lot longer than when Bush (jr or sr) was in office. But by all means keep spreading FUD so that you can believe that your precious party is squeaky clean.
Your brain is not a computer.
Get a grip. He didn't disclose anything other than "he was stationed somewhere that used to be a classified location." There are, literally, volumes of memoirs by ex-Marines (using your definition) divulging far more sensitive information, and many more works that are spun into "historical fiction." If nobody said anything, there would be a void in our culture, and our populace would be uninformed. That, in my opinion, is the very opposite of loyalty.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
My grandad, who I'm named after Must be tough being in the miiltary with a last name of Coward...
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
My subtle attempt at military humor was not lost ;)
As for being a department of the Navy, that is correct.
We are the Mens department.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
let's face it. America since JFK (his hijinks notwitshstanding) has elected one moronic government after another. With each new administration we slowly slip into the abyss of stupidity, communism and ultimately oblivion.
Biden's comments offer an explanation to the obscurity masks placed on the Observatory in applications like Google Earth. Why the USNO but not the White House? Cheney's secret bunker is why.
Kriston
We are the Mens department.
You sure as hell aren't the Mensa department. ;-)
Cheney's love lair with Jeff Gannon was also discovered?
"Always faithful" means not betraying a secret yourself, and has nothing to do with discussing common knowledge.
Maybe. You might also get a divorce, or simply decide to make it an "open marriage".
Declassifying something means that your higher-ups have told you its okay to freely discuss it. Discussing it is, therefore, okay.
The day I put loyalty to any country above my family is the day I stop deserving one.
Honour or the lack of it has nothing to do with the decision to discuss or not discuss a declassified thing.
I'm sure he'll lose a lot of sleep over that.
Scum for discussing something he's specifically been allowed to discuss? LOL WUT?
I'm sure the bar patrons wouldn't beg you to stay, either.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
I wonder if I'm the only who instantly disregards what someone is saying when they use Obama's middle name every time he is referenced.
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I have read most of the 380 comments in this story I have to say I have not seen so many moronic, illiterate, Bush hating dumb asses in one spot in a long time. Is Jr. High out for the summer already?
If we took all the tin foil covering your 7th grade level brains we could remake the frickin Eiffel Tower.
If I had a penny for every dipshit comment trying to bash anyone but Biden, I would own Slashdot and the servers it runs on.
Then there is the truly challenged who believe anything written on Wikipedia. Read the cites and make up your own damned mind. Don't rely on some unemployed fanatic writing articles from home in his underwear to explain them for you.
I really need a right wing equivalent for "politically correct"
"Politically correct" is just fine for that. Conservatives are, if anything, more easily offended than liberals. Look at all the loud whining that goes on when, for example, someone says "Season's greetings" or "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas," wears the wrong color of scarf (as Rachel Ray did), doesn't wear a flag lapel, and so on, and so on.
#1 or the #TWO "Bunker Buster" (bunkers AND bunk, and debunker (of myths?)...) bu bu bu bu BOOM!, heheheh
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You're not alone. I mean, if they had used McCain's middle name, it *might* have sounded a bit less biased, but seriously -- it's like you're emphasizing the fact that his middle name is Hussein (which is not a bad thing -- it just instills fear in the uninformed).
Sparky, I did my tours. Probably before you were in High School. And, I'm still serving, working for a DOD component as a government employee, along side Marines, Soldiers, Airmen, and Sailors.
And, you should know, confirmation of information is very valuable in the intel field.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
These are private security contractors. Mercenaries. They were paid a fee; they were not protected as an undercover agent is and they certainly did not have Non-Official Cover status. And there's no evidence that a "Democrat" blew their covers. In fact, it sounds like the CIA leaked their names themselves.
If African-Americans were not racist, then at most 65% of them would have supported Obama.
I think you may want to look into look into the percentage of African Americans that vote Democrat regardless of race.
For example, according to CNN's exit polls in the 2004 presidential election, 88% of African-Americans voted for the Democratic candidate, John Kerry. There were no non-whites on either ticket, so any putative racial preference would have been inoperative.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
Nothing new here, it is the highest point in the city (a big hill) and would make some sense to have some tunnels or rooms underground--I thought they were building an underground tunnel to The Good Guys bar (xxx) or JP's (which would make sense too) since it was behind the park. Then again, a basic shelter makes sense...
we need something for the atomic clock at least.
I like the Christian Science Monitor's coverage. Headline from their website:
Biden speaks at Wake Forest - does not disclose nuclear launch codes
...is that everyone believes the "secret". Has it ever occurred to anyone that it could be a Psy-Op designed to make everyone think that's where the bunker still is? It could also be designed to "shape" the perception of Biden's behavioral patterns so that when in the future he may let "slip" other "secret" information, the enemies actually believe it.
My point is that with these kinds of stories, what you see (or what they want you to see) isn't always the truth. Take it with a grain of salt, all the other hype is just political grand standing.
Authority questions you. Return the favor.
Huge, impregnable bunker under VP's residence. This and other shocking news at 11!
I wonder if there's a bunker under the White House, too?
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Joe Biden:"Today, I am disclosing a secret location to the american public, 'The secret hideout for the Vice-President's Bunk' underneath the old US Naval Observatory and its--"
Aide:Um Sir that is your bunk...
Joe Biden:"FML"
Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d encule de ta mere.
Slick Willy apparently made a huge impression on the Northern Ireland/IRA battles. From what I heard he'd be a nearly a saint over there if he was catholic. Clinton: 1 Dubya: -6 I'm not a fan of Clinton, but Dubya and Cheney just fucked this country up.
"Hmm. I am to metaphor cheese as metaphor cheese is to transitive verb crackers!"
Of course they vote Democrat. There's only one party that wants them to stay on welfare.
"So, Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate."
Are you kidding me? Speaking as a Chinese-American, I have a couple family members whose votes were influenced (both positively and negatively) by the fact that he was black. What, you think other minorities aren't racist as well?
I think everyone assumes it's just swiss cheese underneath DC with the tunnels and complexes and whatnot. And you just know they're messing around with viruses down there.
I'm wondering when he'll give away something that actually matters.
You don't need to worry until they start putting Road Signs pointing out your state secrets.
What, you think other minorities aren't racist as well?
Don't be stupid, of course minorities can't be racist!
Everybody knows the safest place for a white kid to grow up is in predominantly black neighborhoods in Detroit.
This is because only white people can be racist. Duh. Don't you watch TV?
Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
Let's not get worked up over this. It isn't like any real media sources are covering it.
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This article, really, it's embarrassing. I feel guilty for visiting now.
The Naval Observatory has a different resolution than the surrounding structures in Google Maps.
"Gave plenty of people pause when they realized how crazy she was." :-) I would take Palin over Obama any day, Biden is a wack job, and Pelosi......
BoHahhahhhaaaaaaaa.....
You're killing me
BoHahhahHHahhhaaaaaaaa.....
But, tell you what, you just keep doing what you are doing. The Neo Lib's already have a bad case of buyer remorse with this administration. You can keep driving that home for them without knowing it all day long.
Heehhee...Ughmmmmm....
Is this some new category? "That may be classified, but I'm not allowed to tell you"?
So the only way to find out is to publish it, then wait to see if you get arrested...
"I think you may want to look into look into the percentage of African Americans that vote Democrat regardless of race."
The percentage of African-Americans who vote Democrat regardless of race has more than a little to do with the percentage of Republicans who regard them as Niggers. The NeoCon Evangeliban aren't exactly beacons of hope in respect to civil rights issues, and should not be surprised that voters they chase away are chased away.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
This has been the most useless set of comments I've seen on Slashdot (and yes, I'm not excepting my own).
For some reason, censorship stories, Patriot Act stories, MS stories, OLPC stories, evil-video-game stories, Star Trek stories, dog vs. cat stories, Mountain Dew vs. Jolt stories, coffee/tea stories, religion stories, lawyer stories, public wifi stories, stories that refer to crackers as 'hackers', and a bunch of other story types, none of them prompts a set of comments as worthless as this sort of story.
We have lots of places to see people post their political views without reading anyone else's comments. Please don't make Slashdot another venue for that.
Oh yeah, we'd all be swimming in caviar if we just had one less political party.
The responsibility for the failure spans parties, administrations and politics (that is, there were big contributors that were not particularly political in nature). I would say that it is most traceable to the complete failure to regulate exotic derivatives products while allowing the companies dealing in them to operate under the veil of government supervision. Then, in that environment, the customers of those companies failed to operate in a pragmatic manner (they trusted that the government was in some way protecting them, which has proven to be incredibly foolish).
It first showed up in the housing market because much of the activity there was the most completely idiotic; there are half a dozen factors that contributed to that activity, and again, they span parties, administrations and politics..
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
With this logic, you could rehab almost anyone. There exists x who makes false claim y, therefore Cheney is chummy. The only qualification on x is ability to shoot mouth off. x could be the first person booted off American Idol and do no damage to your lemma as stated.
In fact, I read an article last night which said much the same about Ferdinand Marcos. After finishing Cryptonomicon, I was checking up Yamashita's gold. Everything else in the book with a historical basis I was familiar with already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamashita's_gold
Apparently some people fervently believe that Marcos didn't extra billions in wealth from the Philippines, but instead helped himself to gold extracted by the Japanese with ruthless efficiency pretty much anywhere they went during the war and the years leading up to the war.
Today I watched this video, via Edge. This is Taleb speaking at the Perimeter Institute on the leading edge of the aftermath of the downside of belief in fragile statistics.
http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/Flash/a28b2897-507f-40e2-8b71-e5d26992a01a/viewer.html
To cover inference from stupidity, as a higher grade of fragile statistic, we'd have to exhume Cantor to construct some whole new cardinalities.
Bad statistical instinct:
Stupid person x said y about z, therefore z isn't so bad after all.
Good statistical instinct:
Stupid person x said y about z, therefore what the hell am I doing loitering around here with spam shields inoperative?
http://www.preferrednetwork.com/GOLD_WARRIORS.htm
This source has so many shades of dubious it makes my eyes bug out, but one nevertheless wonders what Cheney actually deserves. Not judging so much by this, but other things, Cheney didn't find himself in a swirling cloud of false accusations by accident. Some transparency here and there from the Bush administration would have greatly reduced this effect.
Correct, so go pick your bone with Wikipedia, Wired, Boston Globe, Global Security, FAS, or any of the hundreds of other sites, organizations, and government departments that have long since been confirming the existance of such a facility.
Accusing me of confirming such a facility's existance would be akin to faulting someone for admiting to knowing of a certain formerly top secret military installation in southern Nevada not far from Las Vegas.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
"During Cheney's years in the Bush administration, the official vice presidential residence at the Naval Observatory in northwest Washington had been transformed into a kind of fortress with a hardened bunker in case of another terrorist attack. Armed security guards, multiple barriers, explosive-sniffing dogs, and two fences protected the house, a stately but weathered 19th-century Queen Anne mansion on a hill."
--Bob Woodward, The War Within: A Secret White House History 2006-2008. New York: Simon & Schuster, 2008, p. 417.
The Slave doesn't tread to far from the Master eh? Some things never change.
I'm not sure where this FUD came about regarding Republicans as the racists, but it's BS.
The Klan resisted Reconstruction by assaulting, murdering and intimidating freedmen and white Republicans, members of the abolitionist movement. Wikipedia
In fact, it was the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) who aligned themselves with the Democrat Party. Look it up. Also, the KKK specifically recruted anti-jewish and anti-catholic members later in the years as their power waned. Simply put, they were a hate group. A precursor to the Skinheads of today.
Oh, and we still have a former member of the KKK in office. His name is Robert Carlyle Byrd. Care to guess what his party affiliation is? Hint: is starts with a big fat D.
Life is not for the lazy.
is proving to be just as incompetent and bumbling as the bush admin they so like to make fun of.
I mean come on...Obama gets lost when his teleprompter goes whacky and biden can't tell the difference between classified and unclassified information.
In addition to all this, obama is getting a lesson in running a country as opposed to being a 'community organizer' for christ's sake.
For example: reneging on closing GitMo? Increasing our involvement in Afghanistan? How many campaign promises does he have to break before people wake up and understand that he's just another power hungry political hack?
Transparency in government? Really? I have not seen any proof of that yet. How much transparency was there with the bills and executive orders he signed? Were they posted online for 48 hours before he acted on any of them?
We have all been suckers, including me. I voted for the jerk. I guarantee I won't vote for him again and it's only been a few months in office. I can't imagine the mess we'll be in 4 years from now.
1. This is ambiguous. Is 'overused' intended as a past participle (You've overused the commas.) or as an adjective (You have commas and they're overused.)? Plus there's the feminine possessive at the end. No doubt that error was merely a typo: an imperfection due to your haste to point out imperfections.
2. You may want to look into the usage of double quotes vs. single quotes when quoting text or singling out key terms.
3. Also note that this is somewhat subjective and dependent on where you live in the English-speaking world.
I cried real tears when Li Mu Bai died.
"You are a liar. Bush's "re-election" (his first actual election) was won primarily because they snuck so many anti-equality laws on the ballots. The bigoted wingnuts came out of the woodwork and voted for Bush while they were there."
That wasn't hard, considering around 70 percent of Americans agree with him on that issue.One of the most liberal states in the country just eliminated the right for homosexuals to marry. Barrack Obama doesn't support homosexuals marrying either. Do you give him a pass for that? Or is he a wingnut too?
"Yes, I am absolutely certain that Obama, in 100 days, managed to triple the deficit, compared to 8 years of Bush spending like a drunken frat boy.
I totally believe that, because, apparently, I am an idiot."
100 days is the least of it. He's certainly poised to smash all spending records: From 2010 to 2019, Obama projects annual deficits totaling $7.1 trillion; that's atop the $1.8 trillion deficit for 2009.
I don't think you're an idiot as much as you're politically fanatical as any of the people you attack, just less honest about it. I think you're actually starting to believe that "reality has a liberal bias" line you love so much.
"Because I have a soul, and the idea of shoving flashlights up little kid's asses [salon.com] in front of the kid's mother is abhorrent to me."
Good for you (though the soul thing is going to cost you some Karma on Slashdot). You seem to be making the mistake of thinking your ideological foes somehow support that, though. And while doing that to an innocent child is shocking, its still a straw man in the context that you used it: enemy combatants do not have the same Geneva Convention protections that a uniformed army does, and for good reasons.
"Liar"
Why don't you just call them "Hitler!" while you're at it? If you keep throwing "liar" around so often, it's going to lose its punch.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2559617.stm
Seems the BBC revealed the "secret" location long before Biden. Yet another Fox news lets make a story out of nothing event.
You indicate that this is some kind of conspiracy from Fox News, and yet all of the traditional networks, CBS, NBC, and ABC, as well as major papers like the Washington Post and Boston Globe are reporting the same thing.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
No doubt.. USMC: where the Men are Men, and the Women are too.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
He couldn't have said it better. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me." --Joe Biden, speaking at a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire
Indeed. There is a huge difference between a CIA agent that meets with sources in dangerous locations and torturers who hurt unarmed men in a heavily guarded prison. The first group are to be applauded, the second group should be put in prison.
Wow, people like you actually exist.
.23% TOTAL). Give money we don't have to the needy by borrowing from our enemy's. Apologize to world for being attacked. Adopt inferior health care system (Needed to kill off elderly who is owed Social Security money) Humiliate Catholics by arriving on campus and covering art and phrases expressing Gods love.
Lets look at this administrations accomplishments so far:
Doubled the debt, with plans to quadruple it.
Loss of MILLIONS of jobs.
Destroyed the economy (Well that took Obama/Franks/Pelosi and friends years)
Destroy the countries manufacturing industry.
But wait, there's more! Saddle the remaining industry with NEEDLESS emission caps (Mans contribution is only
I would have never thought of borrowing more money after baiting the population into borrowing themselves into an inescapable trap, BRILLIANCE!
Such an accomplished administration!
Biden is a narcissistic idiot... and now obviously a security risk as well. I have to wonder how the NSA/DIA/CIA handle loud mouths like this that they are required to brief?!
Do not allow Biden to have sensitive information.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
So , if I show up with beer and BBQ, do you suppose Biden will let me in? I mean now that he shouted his address into a megaphone, doesn't that mean he craves socialization with the common man?
I'll bring enough for the SS guarding him as well, but he has to rent the movie, c'mon I can't do it all!
*Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
I agree, Richard Armitage should not have leaked her identity.
... did anyone think for a moment there wasn't some sort of secure "safehouse" there?
It's the #2 man's house - there's going to be some sort of defensible position, and it's going to be wired for everything the White House is.
That's all you have left for ammo ? Lame "they use teleprompters" attacks? BWA-HA-HA-ha...
.... is an stinking Socialist Liberal that wants to take all our guns?
Which kind of media are you reading?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
But who is going to do the necessary work of governing?
People outside politics it seems that they think that all politicians are a bunch of liars, when the fact is they are just people like us.
Simply put the people are demanding that politicians are not like them, which is frankly ridiculous.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
That is good enough for me.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Like in the neighbours complaining about noise and being told there was classified work going on there?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.