I agree.. It's just in this game of chicken on one side there is a motorcycle and on the other side a semitrailer..
Intel have done this price busting game with amd for a long time. Thats, BTW, is why the Xeons are so expensive. I don't know if there is any (large - intel profits on every chip they sell) profit in the celeron range. The Xeons have been offsetting this for the past year.
Intel are very smart at changing the price model to accomidate these changes in the industry based on competition. this is really no big suprise. -------------------------------- ( my music)
As I said, I didn't get to see the TNT film yet. But the part about Apple stealing the Xerox GUI is definetly wrong or a least inacurate, since there was a agreement between Apple and Xerox (which IMHO even Cringely misses, or at least downplays, in TOTN. Kind of makes me wonder why XEROX didn't sue MS too (or did they?).
The web site of the TNT film has made some serious mistakes too. I noticed in Steve Jobs Bio they say the NeXT folded in 1993, This is not only wrong, but it also shows how they totaly missed one of the dramatic moments in Apples history, the 1996 Apple aquisition of NeXT and the return of the other steve to that computer/fruit company.
Based on Woz remarkes the TNT film was probably a very good prtrail of those early days. He really liked His portrail and Jobs. He also notes that they get some stuff wrong, mostly technical and time fraim mistakes, but does that really matter?
I should note that I didn't see the TNT film so maybe I'M wrong.
BTW, you guys better check Woz.org again, he added a LOT of cool replies to emails including a lot of Apple history scoops and insights. And some stuff about his other projects CL9, the USfests of 82 and 83. And meaty stuff about blue boxs and the like..
those pathetic posts coased Rob to develop the moderation system which killed those posts almost entierly. That's one of the biggest achivments of/. -------------------------------- ( my music)
the kissinger story is true, and that friend was the other steve. I don't know the story about the spreadsheet. But I remember reading that he actualy wrote a version of visicalc that run faster then the original.. Maybe that's what you refare too.
As for why he was worring about getting fired from apple.. Hmmm.. look what happened to that other founder. -------------------------------- ( my music)
people can't do the type of parralel computing together, sorry. At least not the sort of computing that is necacery for chess. the voting method is stupid since the most common or obvious move to a large body of people will rarly be the best move.
also there will be no strategy and no cognative forward thinking. I don't see this working.
This problem also highlights one of the problems of democracy, actually.. if you look at the goas curve 50% of people are below average.. (still for governing contries democracy is the best known method out of all the other options..)
macworld (next month) was schedualed to take place in boston but was moved to NY in the end. The reason in macworlds case was that size/visability in NY is greater.
I guess that the same thing applies to linuxworld. Very good. -------------------------------- ( my music)
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Upside's article is valid, it's wrong, but it's valid.
MP3.com is about to issue a 100million$ IPO riding on the mp3 hype. the upside article is sceptical if it's worthy of the hype from a buisness stand point. I think Upside got it wrong in more then one way. But you comment totaly misses the mark.
Mp3.com isn't a no-for-profit organization, they do intend to make money and they are interested in raising investment money to do so. Upside is skeptical of whether the hype is warented. that's all. There fears are valid.
I do think that the reasoning in the Upside article is wrong. But that's beside the point. -------------------------------- ( my music)
Check out that master zap is one of the people who are mentuned in the upside article. He talks about the lacklaster sales of his D.A.Ms.
totaly off topic though: I like MZ mostly for stomper, and less for his music (and even less for the very flashy and annoying web site he has..) -------------------------------- ( my music)
Well.. My original post got edited somewhat (for good reason - it was much too long.) One thing got snipped that I'm kind of sorry about:
Though I think the Upside article was a good read, and informative (aspecialy the weakness of D.A.M sales) I don't think that matters much. I'm happy with Mp3.com and, as you can see, I have some of my own music there, too
the Upside article raises some interesting issues but most of them are not really that important anyway:
The D.A.M program is only one revenue source for Mp3.com - for one (there are others like adds which probably generate more revenue for Mp3.com)
The quality of (artists) music is also starting to get solved - by brinnging in major artists into the fray (for some pre-ipo shares.. and options) and that good artists get more coverage. Mp3.com recently broke the music into geners and there is coverage of artist on genere basis- the good artist will get noticed.
I like to think what will happen after the IPO.. You are going to have MP3.com have a very high market cap and cash transfution which will allow them to sign up some very high quality artists (artists between contracts, for one). A lot of musicians will love to jump on the Mp3.com bandwagon becoase:
a) they will get good pay. b) most hate the "normal" music industry, anyway.
As for the accusation upside makes that most of the people that are visiting Mp3.com are the artists them selves.. I think thats a stretch. I don't buy it. the first thing newbees look for is Mp3's.. and it's logical the first place they go to will be Mp3.com (that URL is Mp3.com biggest assette..)
And if we are alwredy on that subject.. I'm willing to invest in blockstackers. I'm serious here.. But this is offtopic. -------------------------------- ( my music)
Motorola is in a very good position to buy AMD (which is in a very bad position). It makes a lot of sense for a variaty of reasons. also IBM should consider buying AMD.
it's interesting that AMD's stock is so low that ARM has nearly the same market cap as AMD. this is funny since ARM has no FABs.
come to think about the FABs that AMD have alone are worth more then their current market cap. -------------------------------- check out my music. you might actually like it.
I remember reading about Boing developing a system that combines this type of eye-display and a computer envirement that lets a techniction wire electrical componants in a plain.
The computer screen is aligned with real life and it highlights which wires go where.
I wonder if this has been developed further (I remember reading about it three or four years ago)
In my view these types of aplications- synergy of real life and CGI are is the real future of VR. think about playing Quake V in your living room. where monsters are hiding in the kitchen. -------------------------------- check out my music. you might actually like it.
I wrote this as a reply to crigley (too bad the message board on his site stink):
I think traditional MP3 is going to rule the waves for a long time to come.
the reason is that mp3 is everywhere.
and I when I say "everywhere" I mean it in more then one way:
1) everywhere - IE on all major computing platforms. apple/mac/unix apple is putting it into QT4 (so every mac will have it). Even microsoft can't bring out new software that works for all platforms at once (linux users will not touch it even if they did, and apple users will use QT4 instead, anyway.. and it will be announced at nab this weekend, as you probably know)
2) everywhere - on all portable players (I find it hard to believe that the casio machine you mention is not going to include traditional MP3 functionality, will it?). Hardware manufacturers are going to shoot them selves in the foot for not including traditional mp3, no one is going to leave out 99% of the market.
3) everywhere - and the most important factor: content.
MP3 content is BIG. And I don't mean just pirated stuff. I mean original material (BTW, that is the biggest error in your analysis). MP3 is being branded as the "medium of piracy" by the RIAA, record company execs, and by record company PR (as well as the companies that want to exploit digital media for their own uses like IBM and AT&T). But that is crock.
My estimate is that from all Mp3 downloads at least 50% are legit. >From Mp3.com, goodnoise.com, at all. The artists that published on this sites (including me BTW) are fast coming to the realization that record companies can't stand a chance against this - Unless they get with the program and support mp3. They are more afraid of loosing the control over the artists then loosing some spare change from piracy, and for good reason.
In the record business there is one universal truth: the artists hate the record companies. Well.. most of them do. music production is becoming cheaper and cheaper and yet CD prices keep climbing. And Only a few artists actually make money from record sales (AFAIK, most make their living from gigs).
the rise of Mp3 is a chance for musicians to take control over their own music distribution through sites like mp3.com. the primary source of revenue for musicians I think will not be from direct sales of music.
I believe it will be from advertising.
http://www.amp3.com is doing just that - paying artists per download while they get money from advertising. I think that is going to be the model that will work in future since it will make everybody happy. and record companies currently don't fit into this model.
The big differentiating factor record companies have from individual musicians and mp3 sites that house artists like mp3.com is basically PR power, connections, and capital power. All of these can be summed in one word: MONEY. record companies have more of it.
that's going to change when mp3.com IPO's hits wallstreet in the face. I'm pretty sure it's going to brake the records when it happens sometime this year. sequoia, as you know, are not dumb, they are not in the habit of giving 11 million dollars in VC for no reason. Microsoft is FUDing the scene, and you should be more aware of this. The reason is to hit Mp3.com and co. not IBM (who are dead already in this market, and so is at&t)
I also find it hard to believe that Inet portal sites will not jump into the fray at one point or other. Record company execs will be lured over by head hunters, and PR firms will be hired who have experience in the record market (some of the biggest acts use PR companies, not record company PR, btw..)
some big name artist who might be free from contractual agreements at the time will be lured over to, say, mp3.com or mp3.yahoo.com for stock options or cash or what ever.
so what will happen to the record companies?
they might get swallowed by the portals. or realize that there is more money in the ads, and convert to mp3 altogether). I just don't see anyone buying music on line.
another thing.. you say, microsoft's standard has a better encoding ratio and better quality..
since when has anything "better" meant anything in the high-tech industry (especially involving microsoft)..?
the biggest reason this is not going to make much difference is that MP3 content is hugh. that's it. game over. in much the same way as microsoft beat apple in the os wars. there is more software. in favor of MP3 there is more players, more hardware, more encoders, more tools, and most importantly: more people who can listen to it.
and anyway: MP3 is good enough for most people. a 1:2 ratio is not going to make the difference since it is basically on the same scale.
but off coase.. I could be wrong.
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I agree.. It's just in this game of chicken on one side there is a motorcycle and on the other side a semitrailer..
Intel have done this price busting game with amd for a long time. Thats, BTW, is why the Xeons are so expensive. I don't know if there is any (large - intel profits on every chip they sell) profit in the celeron range. The Xeons have been offsetting this for the past year.
Intel are very smart at changing the price model to accomidate these changes in the industry based on competition. this is really no big suprise.
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the Americans invented the car? I didn't know Karl Benz was american..
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Yup, I agree.
As I said, I didn't get to see the TNT film yet. But the part about Apple stealing the Xerox GUI is definetly wrong or a least inacurate, since there was a agreement between Apple and Xerox (which IMHO even Cringely misses, or at least downplays, in TOTN. Kind of makes me wonder why XEROX didn't sue MS too (or did they?).
The web site of the TNT film has made some serious mistakes too. I noticed in Steve Jobs Bio they say the NeXT folded in 1993, This is not only wrong, but it also shows how they totaly missed one of the dramatic moments in Apples history, the 1996 Apple aquisition of NeXT and the return of the other steve to that computer/fruit company.
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I really like what Cringely writes, useally.
this time it's more like a cry baby responce.
Based on Woz remarkes the TNT film was probably a very good prtrail of those early days. He really liked His portrail and Jobs. He also notes that they get some stuff wrong, mostly technical and time fraim mistakes, but does that really matter?
I should note that I didn't see the TNT film so maybe I'M wrong.
BTW, you guys better check Woz.org again, he added a LOT of cool replies to emails including a lot of Apple history scoops and insights. And some stuff about his other projects CL9, the USfests of 82 and 83. And meaty stuff about blue boxs and the like..
gets better everyday.
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very true.
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those pathetic posts coased Rob to develop the moderation system which killed those posts almost entierly. That's one of the biggest achivments of
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ahh the memories come back too me..
the peeks and pokes the one line BASIC programs.. ahhh.
Anyone know who exactly were the Beagle Bros, btw?
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the kissinger story is true, and that friend was the other steve. I don't know the story about the spreadsheet. But I remember reading that he actualy wrote a version of visicalc that run faster then the original.. Maybe that's what you refare too.
As for why he was worring about getting fired from apple.. Hmmm.. look what happened to that other founder.
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Yes,
:-|
:-)
history in the making: Slashdot users crash Steve Wosniak site..
Maybe rob will be the pirate in the sequal..
(can anyone mirror the thing, or post it as a comment?)
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"It's like asking who would win a race between a cheetah and a thousand people with their ankles tied together."
definetly!
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people can't do the type of parralel computing together, sorry. At least not the sort of computing that is necacery for chess. the voting method is stupid since the most common or obvious move to a large body of people will rarly be the best move.
also there will be no strategy and no cognative forward thinking. I don't see this working.
This problem also highlights one of the problems of democracy, actually.. if you look at the goas curve 50% of people are below average.. (still for governing contries democracy is the best known method out of all the other options..)
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macworld (next month) was schedualed to take place in boston but was moved to NY in the end. The reason in macworlds case was that size/visability in NY is greater.
I guess that the same thing applies to linuxworld. Very good.
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One big diferance between MS and AMD.
MS makes money.
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Upside's article is valid, it's wrong, but it's valid.
MP3.com is about to issue a 100million$ IPO riding on the mp3 hype. the upside article is sceptical if it's worthy of the hype from a buisness stand point. I think Upside got it wrong in more then one way. But you comment totaly misses the mark.
Mp3.com isn't a no-for-profit organization, they do intend to make money and they are interested in raising investment money to do so. Upside is skeptical of whether the hype is warented. that's all. There fears are valid.
I do think that the reasoning in the Upside article is wrong. But that's beside the point.
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interesting.
I didn't notice the METAspamming before. This is annoying.
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I agree.
Check out that master zap is one of the people who are mentuned in the upside article. He talks about the lacklaster sales of his D.A.Ms.
totaly off topic though: I like MZ mostly for stomper, and less for his music (and even less for the very flashy and annoying web site he has..)
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Well.. My original post got edited somewhat (for good reason - it was much too long.) One thing got snipped that I'm kind of sorry about:
Though I think the Upside article was a good read, and informative (aspecialy the weakness of D.A.M sales) I don't think that matters much.
I'm happy with Mp3.com and, as you can see, I have some of my own music there, too
the Upside article raises some interesting issues but most of them are not really that important anyway:
The D.A.M program is only one revenue source for Mp3.com - for one (there are others like adds which probably generate more revenue for Mp3.com)
The quality of (artists) music is also starting to get solved - by brinnging in major artists into the fray (for some pre-ipo shares.. and options) and that good artists get more coverage. Mp3.com recently broke the music into geners and there is coverage of artist on genere basis- the good artist will get noticed.
I like to think what will happen after the IPO.. You are going to have MP3.com have a very high market cap and cash transfution which will allow them to sign up some very high quality artists (artists between contracts, for one). A lot of musicians will love to jump on the Mp3.com bandwagon becoase:
a) they will get good pay.
b) most hate the "normal" music industry, anyway.
As for the accusation upside makes that most of the people that are visiting Mp3.com are the artists them selves.. I think thats a stretch. I don't buy it. the first thing newbees look for is Mp3's.. and it's logical the first place they go to will be Mp3.com (that URL is Mp3.com biggest assette..)
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I, and Upside, ment the quality of the actual music. Read the article. It's a good read.
There is another interesting point.. Who is qualified to ditermain what is Hi-quality music anyway..
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I'm in too..
And if we are alwredy on that subject.. I'm willing to invest in blockstackers. I'm serious here.. But this is offtopic.
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Yum! .
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I agree.
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Motorola is in a very good position to buy AMD (which is in a very bad position). It makes a lot of sense for a variaty of reasons. also IBM should consider buying AMD.
it's interesting that AMD's stock is so low that ARM has nearly the same market cap as AMD. this is funny since ARM has no FABs.
come to think about the FABs that AMD have alone are worth more then their current market cap.
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I remember reading about Boing developing a system that combines this type of eye-display and a computer envirement that lets a techniction wire electrical componants in a plain.
.
The computer screen is aligned with real life and it highlights which wires go where.
I wonder if this has been developed further (I remember reading about it three or four years ago)
In my view these types of aplications- synergy of real life and CGI are is the real future of VR. think about playing Quake V in your living room. where monsters are hiding in the kitchen.
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a interesting thing is that the size of the new 640 file is 25 meg, the same as the privious highest quality file.
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nice.
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> (who am I kidding! I couldn't pay the electricity bill to run 128 P2s!)
:-) .
look at the bright side..
at least you'll not need to worry about heating bills.
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Net music is going to be big. and everyone will use it. it's just a matter of time.
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I wrote this as a reply to crigley (too bad the message board on his site stink):
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I think traditional MP3 is going to rule the waves for a long time to
come.
the reason is that mp3 is everywhere.
and I when I say "everywhere" I mean it in more then one way:
1) everywhere - IE on all major computing platforms. apple/mac/unix
apple is putting it into QT4 (so every mac will have it). Even microsoft
can't bring out new software that works for all platforms at once (linux
users will not touch it even if they did, and apple users will use QT4
instead, anyway.. and it will be announced at nab this weekend, as you
probably know)
2) everywhere - on all portable players (I find it hard to believe that
the casio machine you mention is not going to include traditional MP3
functionality, will it?).
Hardware manufacturers are going to shoot them selves in the foot for
not including traditional mp3, no one is going to leave out 99% of the
market.
3) everywhere - and the most important factor: content.
MP3 content is BIG. And I don't mean just pirated stuff. I mean
original material (BTW, that is the biggest error in your analysis). MP3
is being branded as the "medium of piracy" by the RIAA, record company
execs, and by record company PR (as well as the companies that want to
exploit digital media for their own uses like IBM and AT&T). But that is
crock.
My estimate is that from all Mp3 downloads at least 50% are legit.
>From Mp3.com, goodnoise.com, at all. The artists that published on this
sites (including me BTW) are fast coming to the realization that record
companies can't stand a chance against this - Unless they get with the
program and support mp3. They are more afraid of loosing the control
over the artists then loosing some spare change from piracy, and for
good reason.
In the record business there is one universal truth: the artists hate
the record companies. Well.. most of them do. music production is
becoming cheaper and cheaper and yet CD prices keep climbing. And Only a
few artists actually make money from record sales (AFAIK, most make
their living from gigs).
the rise of Mp3 is a chance for musicians to take control over their
own music distribution through sites like mp3.com. the primary source of
revenue for musicians I think will not be from direct sales of music.
I believe it will be from advertising.
http://www.amp3.com is doing just that - paying artists per download
while they get money from advertising. I think that is going to be the
model that will work in future since it will make everybody happy. and
record companies currently don't fit into this model.
The big differentiating factor record companies have from individual
musicians and mp3 sites that house artists like mp3.com is basically PR
power, connections, and capital power. All of these can be summed in one
word: MONEY. record companies have more of it.
that's going to change when mp3.com IPO's hits wallstreet in the face.
I'm pretty sure it's going to brake the records when it happens sometime
this year. sequoia, as you know, are not dumb, they are not in the habit
of giving 11 million dollars in VC for no reason.
Microsoft is FUDing the scene, and you should be more aware of this.
The reason is to hit Mp3.com and co. not IBM (who are dead already in
this market, and so is at&t)
I also find it hard to believe that Inet portal sites will not jump
into the fray at one point or other. Record company execs will be lured
over by head hunters, and PR firms will be hired who have experience in
the record market (some of the biggest acts use PR companies, not record
company PR, btw..)
some big name artist who might be free from contractual agreements at
the time will be lured over to, say, mp3.com or mp3.yahoo.com for stock
options or cash or what ever.
so what will happen to the record companies?
they might get swallowed by the portals. or realize that there is more
money in the ads, and convert to mp3 altogether). I just don't see
anyone buying music on line.
another thing.. you say, microsoft's standard has a better encoding
ratio and better quality..
since when has anything "better" meant anything in the high-tech
industry (especially involving microsoft)..?
the biggest reason this is not going to make much difference is that
MP3 content is hugh. that's it. game over. in much the same way as
microsoft beat apple in the os wars. there is more software. in favor of
MP3 there is more players, more hardware, more encoders, more tools, and
most importantly: more people who can listen to it.
and anyway: MP3 is good enough for most people. a 1:2 ratio is not
going to make the difference since it is basically on the same scale.
but off coase.. I could be wrong.
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