They both grow in dirt (organic and conventional), they are the same plant, they don't, on balance, have more or less of anything than the rest of the fruits and vegetables
Aside from the fact that your claim is completely, utter and demonstrably false, it neglects to take into consideration that most of the soil on commercial farms in the U.S. has not only been depleted of essential trace elements but has also been so thoroughly abused and mismanaged over the years that even the basics need to be supplemented by appliying synthetic fertilizers.
Bottom line if you want to pay 3X as much for your food buy organic.
Yes, sometimes there's a 200% (or greater) premium for organic produce but in many cases, it's more like 25 to 50%. A more useful metric would be determine the value that buying organic adds, and that depends on the item. For example, the growing methods for conventional and organic tropical fruit (pineapples, mangos, bananas and avacados come to mind) likely don't differ much if at all; it's about the auditing, certifying/verification. etc. In other cases, (peaches, strawberries, leafy greens), it's common-knowledge that the quantities of pesticide resides in convenionally-grown varieties are through the roof (no doubt a non-issue for a shill such as yourself but for those of us watching our health or that of our children, it's something we might want to take into consideration). Of course, these are the very same items that often require exhorbitant premiums like you stated - but you get what you pay for (where have we heard that before?).
And don't forget, we can't feed the world's population organically. Can't be done!
This is a partial truth which ignores the bigger picture (which, of course, at the end of the day, means it's still a lie): doing things the way "Big Ag" currently does them, yes, you're right: organic farming simply can't be scaled up and achieved using the wasteful, petroleum-dependent methods and practices that are currently employed (as I said above, the dirt just won't allow it). Nope; you'd have to change how you go about it (imagine that).
For those who aren't paid shills and have a genuine interest in the subject, I suggest looking through some of the following:
After skimming through your post, I read that as "I shit in my mom's basement" - which, if you think about it, actually fits in with the rest.
My partner's teenage son refuses to shit in public restrooms and I can see him doing something like that; I suppose it's fortunate that his mother and I don't have a basement!:p
As for "After Earth", well... it's just kind of a shame M. Night Shamylan keeps getting money
He seems like a talented-enough director... but what kind of imbecile writes a plot where aliens who are advanced enough to achieve FTL travel - yet too stupid to wear basic protection against water, a substance deadly to them - want to invade a planet literally drenched in the stuff??!
There are more than a few hot blondes who enjoy sucking them, too. I suppose that means you don't care much for hot blondes... nope, didn't think so.;)
A lot of these fusion centers do more than just work on terrorism-related issues. They deal with drug trafficking, kidnapping, organized crime...
A lot of extremely knowledge people believe that certain elements within the government have used their influence to carry out all sorts of black-market activities and other nefarious deeds... but don't you think you might be going a bit too far?
Anyway, you show me a successful politician in D.C. who isn't a lying, immoral scumbag and I'll show you a Congressman/Senator dead from a suspicious plane crash...
It's also hard to install a Yugo drivetrain in a BMW. But it doesn't really matter because, why would you want to?
Terrible analogy, as it's well understood that the guts of a Macbook aren't necessarily any higher in quality than those of many typical namebrand PC laptops.
Now, the bodyshell of a BMW compared to that of a Yugo... you might have been onto something, if you'd gone that route.
You can't just call people sociopaths because you don't agree with their ideologies.
In case it wasn't blatantly obvious, I was commenting that the system virtually ensures that only a sociopath (i.e. someone willing to tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear) will succeed in politics in this day and age, at least anywhere above the local level. I think there are enough examples of this being demonstrably and profoundly true that I don't need to elaborate any further.
So now we need a Charity Police to detirmine if the recipient meets some politically correct standard?
Certainly not (how dare you suggest such a thing...!) No, we should just accept the claim that he's Mr. Super-Generous without doing any scrutinizing whatsoever. That is, after all, what you're implying, is it not?:)
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They both grow in dirt (organic and conventional), they are the same plant, they don't, on balance, have more or less of anything than the rest of the fruits and vegetables
Aside from the fact that your claim is completely, utter and demonstrably false, it neglects to take into consideration that most of the soil on commercial farms in the U.S. has not only been depleted of essential trace elements but has also been so thoroughly abused and mismanaged over the years that even the basics need to be supplemented by appliying synthetic fertilizers.
Bottom line if you want to pay 3X as much for your food buy organic.
Yes, sometimes there's a 200% (or greater) premium for organic produce but in many cases, it's more like 25 to 50%. A more useful metric would be determine the value that buying organic adds, and that depends on the item. For example, the growing methods for conventional and organic tropical fruit (pineapples, mangos, bananas and avacados come to mind) likely don't differ much if at all; it's about the auditing, certifying/verification. etc. In other cases, (peaches, strawberries, leafy greens), it's common-knowledge that the quantities of pesticide resides in convenionally-grown varieties are through the roof (no doubt a non-issue for a shill such as yourself but for those of us watching our health or that of our children, it's something we might want to take into consideration). Of course, these are the very same items that often require exhorbitant premiums like you stated - but you get what you pay for (where have we heard that before?).
And don't forget, we can't feed the world's population organically. Can't be done!
This is a partial truth which ignores the bigger picture (which, of course, at the end of the day, means it's still a lie): doing things the way "Big Ag" currently does them, yes, you're right: organic farming simply can't be scaled up and achieved using the wasteful, petroleum-dependent methods and practices that are currently employed (as I said above, the dirt just won't allow it). Nope; you'd have to change how you go about it (imagine that).
For those who aren't paid shills and have a genuine interest in the subject, I suggest looking through some of the following:
http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/latest/organic-foods-benefits-460110-5
http://eartheasy.com/blog/2011/10/7-ways-organic-farms-outperform-conventional-farms/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/07/10/us-farming-organic-idUSN1036065820070710
http://environment.about.com/od/healthenvironment/a/organicfarming.htm
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4060
http://youngagropreneur.wordpress.com/
http://theurbanfarmingguys.com/our-story
http://seedstock.com/2012/02/01/wisconsins-future-farm-sustainable-cow-powered-aquaponics/
http://bioponica.org/
eating food that is barely food
I thought fake food was okay... in moderation. :p
I sit in my mom's basement
After skimming through your post, I read that as "I shit in my mom's basement" - which, if you think about it, actually fits in with the rest.
My partner's teenage son refuses to shit in public restrooms and I can see him doing something like that; I suppose it's fortunate that his mother and I don't have a basement! :p
Sociopaths are obsessive-compulsive about what they eat and wear. Who would have figured?!
I think it had something to do with the MPEG dvd encryption code.
In other news, the Pharaoh's vizier has informed us that henceforth all cats shall be rounded up and placed back in their respective containers... ;)
I, for one, think the entirety of the above conversation should be modded "Score:5, Fucking Bewildering;" who's with me? :)
Okay, good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was screaming "THE ENTIRE FUCKING ATMOSPHERE IS FULL OF WATER YOU FUCKBAG!!".
So much for suspension of disbelief, eh? :p
I'll be able to go back to Silver City on Nov 7, when the restraining order lifts.
Do tell...! :D
Turn them back towards earth and get some super awesome pictures of topless French beachers. Duh.
Just the ones with their arms by their sides, thank you very much.
I think NASA has a slightly different idea of what kind of "heavenly body" they want to study.
What're you saying, they're into fat chicks?
Pretty much everybody who needs a PC already has one, and will go as long as 10 years between replacements.
Not if that PC is an HP... :p
As for "After Earth", well... it's just kind of a shame M. Night Shamylan keeps getting money
He seems like a talented-enough director... but what kind of imbecile writes a plot where aliens who are advanced enough to achieve FTL travel - yet too stupid to wear basic protection against water, a substance deadly to them - want to invade a planet literally drenched in the stuff??!
Their real goal is to revoke the idea of owning a copy of a book or movie
Their real real goal is to get rid of "The Printing Press, Second Edition," aka the Internet, at least as we know it.
but how would this merger work? Tmobile is GSM whereas MetroPCS is CDMA
The same way Cingular's and AT&T's merger worked. Nope, don't understand it; pretty sure they didn't either. :p
There are more than a few hot blondes who enjoy sucking them, too. I suppose that means you don't care much for hot blondes... nope, didn't think so. ;)
If I were them, I would be kissing Tim Cook's ass so hard that he couldn't turn around without slapping me with his junk.
Geez, dude, that's a hell of an analogy (at least you didn't suggest they give him a rusty trombone). :P
A lot of these fusion centers do more than just work on terrorism-related issues. They deal with drug trafficking, kidnapping, organized crime...
A lot of extremely knowledge people believe that certain elements within the government have used their influence to carry out all sorts of black-market activities and other nefarious deeds... but don't you think you might be going a bit too far?
Okay, maybe not. :p
I wonder how many of the fanboys who modded me down have had to do a reflow on a Macbook logical board... :p
I seem to recall that they got their foot in the door with software patents in Europe first and after that, it was only a matter of time...
Anyway, you show me a successful politician in D.C. who isn't a lying, immoral scumbag and I'll show you a Congressman/Senator dead from a suspicious plane crash...
It was *never* easy /I remember MacBSD and MkLinux
I had no absolutely problems running Mint 12 LXDE on either my Macbook 3,1 or a Core Duo-based MB Pro...
It's also hard to install a Yugo drivetrain in a BMW. But it doesn't really matter because, why would you want to?
Terrible analogy, as it's well understood that the guts of a Macbook aren't necessarily any higher in quality than those of many typical namebrand PC laptops.
Now, the bodyshell of a BMW compared to that of a Yugo... you might have been onto something, if you'd gone that route.
You can't just call people sociopaths because you don't agree with their ideologies.
In case it wasn't blatantly obvious, I was commenting that the system virtually ensures that only a sociopath (i.e. someone willing to tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear) will succeed in politics in this day and age, at least anywhere above the local level. I think there are enough examples of this being demonstrably and profoundly true that I don't need to elaborate any further.
But what if I've already booked a bunch of pricey seats to enjoy my performance? :p
So now we need a Charity Police to detirmine if the recipient meets some politically correct standard?
Certainly not (how dare you suggest such a thing...!) No, we should just accept the claim that he's Mr. Super-Generous without doing any scrutinizing whatsoever. That is, after all, what you're implying, is it not? :)
That reminds me of this.