Would you mind to share this web site's URL with us? I love private pages becaucse this is what the web was really made for. Not these gradient and dropshadow ridden e-commerce crappiles and CMS hells that cannot even generate reasonable navigation.
If you think computers are logical, then, dude, i wonder what you have been doing the last 20 years? Soldering together OR gates?
If computers were truly logical, anybody could do cool stuff with them, not just an inner circle of nerds. But in fact most things that are accepted as logical in computers are just totally obnoxious, based on 70s or 80s design decisions and interated over and over, retro-fit onto new metaphors and put into surprising contexts.
Ironically in this culture of seaming newness it's only possible to understand it all if you know the history. Not logical bur archaeological.
Because any other option is fraught with favoritism and is just going to cram OEM desktops with more bullshit than ever before, and make the idea of targeting the Windows desktop from a developer or support perspective laughable.
You just described ways in which the EU wants to make Windows less attractive to users and through this lessening Microsoft's monopolist status.
Of course i think the EU should rather target the bundling of hardware with Windows, but the goal is more or less the same: breaking the monopoly by force if they cannot do it themselves.
What you describe doesn't sound much worse than using plain IE. With IE you all the time get messages, security-warnings, have to click on "interactive content" so it starts running, have to adjust "security levels" and in general get trained to click "ok" all the time.
But isn't it funny that MS is now forced into making their products more and more unusable? Anybody remember having to chose indexing techniques for Windows' help system the first time it was run? Now users will get this all the time. Just bizarre.
Well, you are a bit extrapolating and overestimating the importance KDE has in people's minds.
Let's assume a user did a conscious distro upgrade to his computer because he read the changelogs and blogs and beta announcements, maybe even visited dev conferences -- for the software he or she cares about most!
KDE has gained the reputation of a reliable work horse. People use it, the last releases it just got better and better. You would never think about upgrading or not, the upgrade was always good. KDE was almost transparent to use, a great achievement for a DE.
Then, suddenly, a new major release comes along and i should devote all my reading and informing activities to the KDE project? I should reflect on all my usasge patterns and extract messages from the announcements that read like marketing for users while it was intended to be marketing for developers??
Dude, that is user unfriendly.
Did you do anything to PREVENT major distros shipping this developer release to the masses? Did you do anything to prevent loads of people from wasting countless hours with a product that was not intended for them?
No offense though, i love you KDE guys, i did read your stuff and was careful. However you should consider that you already gained such an importance that you cannot joke around with your users like that. Your users are becoming normal people, like Windows or Apple users. You have to watch their behaviours and learn from them. The users will make you immortal or vanish in obscurity.
"Does anyone know if 3.0 was the same way as 4.0? I'm not seeing any real info on a quick Google search. To me, the rollout of 3.0 should set the expectations for 4.0."
Most KDE users of today never witnessed the 3.0 rollout. So, you couldn't find the info on how it was back then, how can anyone be blamed for not finding it as well? That is absurd:)
KDE is a system admired and used by many people. Most of them don't have time to read scattered blogs, scroll through endless feature logs or visit KDE conferences or compile from source or loads of other things you seem to consider a normal thing to do. WTF, even Linus didn't do it because he has more important things to do.
KDE's communication has to change to fit their audience. Who cares about 2.x to 3.x transitions or other historical comparisons? Today there are people using KDE who weren't even born at that time. As soon as free software projects develop reasonable communication, e.g., understanding cultures different from their own, the Year of Linux on The Desktop will finally arrive.
All you dudes making fun of blinking cursor options have probably not seen the animations KDE 4 is providing as eye candy. They are really bad and give the impression that they were made for the sake of being there.
For example, the "preview" of windows that appear when the user hovers over taskbar entries, is moving around when the mouse points to another task bar entry... However, nothing is moving in reality, this animation is kitsch and not giving any meaningful feedback. The opposite, it is totally confusing.
In Dolphin, the preview of files in the big icon on the right is smoothly changing from one icon to another as the user selects different files. But in fact nothing is happening with the files, tho the animation suggests so. That is again, kitsch and confusing.
The animation should support the user!
This is something Gnome got right with Compiz. Most of the animations make sense and there.
And i think the blinking cursor is important. Sometimes you need to find the cursor in a huge console window, then it should blink. Sometimes you need to concentrate and write a text, a blinking cursor is annoying then. Animation is an important part of the interface experience.
It would start if they got out of the habit of using excessively lavish button bars with enourmous, heavily padded buttons.
Mobile devs should develop the habit to erase all functions that are not useful for users on the go. Then they should keep the padding around the buttons, so it is possible to hit them on tiny touch screens.
Mobile devices have other UI requirements than Desktops.
There should be a macro recording system that walks through GUI config stuff, independent from the language the GUI is translated to and the current position of buttons on screen.
People could download these macro files and watch the mouse move.
Otherwise, all tutorials will have to be translated into loads of languages.
Ideally, this macro format should be human readable and display its source and what will happen next.
Because blindly following GUI instructions is as dangerous as copying sudo rm -rf / to the terminal.
I can't believe there is still this holy war between GUI and CLI? And that CLI is still considered to be for the "intelligent" people?
Guys, this fight ain't fun anymore! I like vi vs emacs much better for example, or Gimp vs Photoshop. Because these are pairs at least remotely related to each other.:)
Nobody is going to take the commandline away anytime soon from us. Windows even got a new one recently!
I am more considered how to make people understand that URL and Google are different things! That should be the holy war of today.
Online i totally prefer command line based guides. Because i can read the English language pretty well and understand everything, but i have no idea how all the menus are called in English!
This is why before i tried to get English versions of Windows: The translation to German was sometimes pretty weird. E.g. the English version had "Add/Remove" and the German one used "Software" (!!!) for the same thing. So i could sometimes follow guides using an English interface.
Now, i can use an interface in my own language and use guides from any language on the commandline. Isn't that amazing?
Patches suck because it interrupts the user, gives the user the impression of being remotely controlled by some unknown entity and frequently patches break stuff for the user.
Of course they fix security holes, but it seems people seem to mind less to be infected than being nagged with stupid patch messages popping up.
The design of patch systems still has a long way to go before they really work,
Does attack also do batch processing of multiple targets?
Consistency would be nice, but ...
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I don't know what is the problem with "the two" desktops and "the two" libraries... on Windows, i seem to enjoy 1024 different libraries, file selector dialogues and ways to display fonts, let alone user interface rules. And this system is, for some reason, very successful.
Only Mac users are used to a more or less consistent user experience. But that is more of a culture than a technical effect.
For some types of communication you cannot reveal what it is, for example satire and parody. If you have to ban satire and parody to a place where everybody is expecting them, they don't work anymore.
The same with a trojan, as soon as you know it is a trojan it is not a trojan anymore.
Actually i think this is an interesting action. As a communicative act, this trojan shows several things, e.g. that the internet stays an unstable place where everything is mostly determined by convention -- even with pirates -- AND that TPB is taking down torrents they don't like, despite being a stronghold of free speech. Of course "malicious software" is the argument here for removal of the torrent, but who defines what is malicious? In the end TPB caters to the needs of its community, by filtering "content" this community doesn't approve of.
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Would you mind to share this web site's URL with us? I love private pages becaucse this is what the web was really made for. Not these gradient and dropshadow ridden e-commerce crappiles and CMS hells that cannot even generate reasonable navigation.
Women generally aren't into logical things
If you think computers are logical, then, dude, i wonder what you have been doing the last 20 years? Soldering together OR gates?
If computers were truly logical, anybody could do cool stuff with them, not just an inner circle of nerds. But in fact most things that are accepted as logical in computers are just totally obnoxious, based on 70s or 80s design decisions and interated over and over, retro-fit onto new metaphors and put into surprising contexts.
Ironically in this culture of seaming newness it's only possible to understand it all if you know the history. Not logical bur archaeological.
So what, the help files only tell me to "ask your system administrator" ... but i am my own system administrator goddammit!
Because any other option is fraught with favoritism and is just going to cram OEM desktops with more bullshit than ever before, and make the idea of targeting the Windows desktop from a developer or support perspective laughable.
You just described ways in which the EU wants to make Windows less attractive to users and through this lessening Microsoft's monopolist status.
Of course i think the EU should rather target the bundling of hardware with Windows, but the goal is more or less the same: breaking the monopoly by force if they cannot do it themselves.
What you describe doesn't sound much worse than using plain IE. With IE you all the time get messages, security-warnings, have to click on "interactive content" so it starts running, have to adjust "security levels" and in general get trained to click "ok" all the time.
But isn't it funny that MS is now forced into making their products more and more unusable? Anybody remember having to chose indexing techniques for Windows' help system the first time it was run? Now users will get this all the time. Just bizarre.
Well, you are a bit extrapolating and overestimating the importance KDE has in people's minds.
Let's assume a user did a conscious distro upgrade to his computer because he read the changelogs and blogs and beta announcements, maybe even visited dev conferences -- for the software he or she cares about most!
KDE has gained the reputation of a reliable work horse. People use it, the last releases it just got better and better. You would never think about upgrading or not, the upgrade was always good. KDE was almost transparent to use, a great achievement for a DE.
Then, suddenly, a new major release comes along and i should devote all my reading and informing activities to the KDE project? I should reflect on all my usasge patterns and extract messages from the announcements that read like marketing for users while it was intended to be marketing for developers??
Dude, that is user unfriendly.
Did you do anything to PREVENT major distros shipping this developer release to the masses? Did you do anything to prevent loads of people from wasting countless hours with a product that was not intended for them?
No offense though, i love you KDE guys, i did read your stuff and was careful. However you should consider that you already gained such an importance that you cannot joke around with your users like that. Your users are becoming normal people, like Windows or Apple users. You have to watch their behaviours and learn from them. The users will make you immortal or vanish in obscurity.
"Does anyone know if 3.0 was the same way as 4.0? I'm not seeing any real info on a quick Google search. To me, the rollout of 3.0 should set the expectations for 4.0."
Most KDE users of today never witnessed the 3.0 rollout. So, you couldn't find the info on how it was back then, how can anyone be blamed for not finding it as well? That is absurd :)
KDE is a system admired and used by many people. Most of them don't have time to read scattered blogs, scroll through endless feature logs or visit KDE conferences or compile from source or loads of other things you seem to consider a normal thing to do. WTF, even Linus didn't do it because he has more important things to do.
KDE's communication has to change to fit their audience. Who cares about 2.x to 3.x transitions or other historical comparisons? Today there are people using KDE who weren't even born at that time. As soon as free software projects develop reasonable communication, e.g., understanding cultures different from their own, the Year of Linux on The Desktop will finally arrive.
"Why should they label it based on your expectations?"
Because this is what communication is about.
Window's UI is also terribly inconsistent and still that OS seems to be a big success.
All you dudes making fun of blinking cursor options have probably not seen the animations KDE 4 is providing as eye candy. They are really bad and give the impression that they were made for the sake of being there.
For example, the "preview" of windows that appear when the user hovers over taskbar entries, is moving around when the mouse points to another task bar entry ... However, nothing is moving in reality, this animation is kitsch and not giving any meaningful feedback. The opposite, it is totally confusing.
In Dolphin, the preview of files in the big icon on the right is smoothly changing from one icon to another as the user selects different files. But in fact nothing is happening with the files, tho the animation suggests so. That is again, kitsch and confusing.
The animation should support the user!
This is something Gnome got right with Compiz. Most of the animations make sense and there.
And i think the blinking cursor is important. Sometimes you need to find the cursor in a huge console window, then it should blink. Sometimes you need to concentrate and write a text, a blinking cursor is annoying then. Animation is an important part of the interface experience.
It would start if they got out of the habit of using excessively lavish button bars with enourmous, heavily padded buttons.
Mobile devs should develop the habit to erase all functions that are not useful for users on the go. Then they should keep the padding around the buttons, so it is possible to hit them on tiny touch screens.
Mobile devices have other UI requirements than Desktops.
There should be a macro recording system that walks through GUI config stuff, independent from the language the GUI is translated to and the current position of buttons on screen.
People could download these macro files and watch the mouse move.
Otherwise, all tutorials will have to be translated into loads of languages.
Ideally, this macro format should be human readable and display its source and what will happen next.
Because blindly following GUI instructions is as dangerous as copying sudo rm -rf / to the terminal.
I can't believe there is still this holy war between GUI and CLI? And that CLI is still considered to be for the "intelligent" people?
Guys, this fight ain't fun anymore! I like vi vs emacs much better for example, or Gimp vs Photoshop. Because these are pairs at least remotely related to each other. :)
Nobody is going to take the commandline away anytime soon from us. Windows even got a new one recently!
I am more considered how to make people understand that URL and Google are different things! That should be the holy war of today.
Online i totally prefer command line based guides. Because i can read the English language pretty well and understand everything, but i have no idea how all the menus are called in English!
This is why before i tried to get English versions of Windows: The translation to German was sometimes pretty weird. E.g. the English version had "Add/Remove" and the German one used "Software" (!!!) for the same thing. So i could sometimes follow guides using an English interface.
Now, i can use an interface in my own language and use guides from any language on the commandline. Isn't that amazing?
Patches suck because it interrupts the user, gives the user the impression of being remotely controlled by some unknown entity and frequently patches break stuff for the user.
Of course they fix security holes, but it seems people seem to mind less to be infected than being nagged with stupid patch messages popping up.
The design of patch systems still has a long way to go before they really work,
Does attack also do batch processing of multiple targets?
I don't know what is the problem with "the two" desktops and "the two" libraries ... on Windows, i seem to enjoy 1024 different libraries, file selector dialogues and ways to display fonts, let alone user interface rules. And this system is, for some reason, very successful.
Only Mac users are used to a more or less consistent user experience. But that is more of a culture than a technical effect.
For some types of communication you cannot reveal what it is, for example satire and parody. If you have to ban satire and parody to a place where everybody is expecting them, they don't work anymore.
The same with a trojan, as soon as you know it is a trojan it is not a trojan anymore.
This sort of limits what can be done with TPB.
So this definition excludes Trojans because you cannot say "this is a trojan". When you know it is not a trojan anymore.
Where is your freedom of information if you can't access the infromation?
Where is your freedom of information when you can't access malware?
Because the internet is not the USA?
Actually i think this is an interesting action. As a communicative act, this trojan shows several things, e.g. that the internet stays an unstable place where everything is mostly determined by convention -- even with pirates -- AND that TPB is taking down torrents they don't like, despite being a stronghold of free speech. Of course "malicious software" is the argument here for removal of the torrent, but who defines what is malicious? In the end TPB caters to the needs of its community, by filtering "content" this community doesn't approve of.
If pushing out some ironic/satirical messages is already harm, then i don't know ...
OSS projects could distrubte a ready-made build environment in a virtual box image or something ...