If you try and find out about President Bush's arrest and conviction record you have a hard time. The CIA is doing a purge of de-classified information, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=4535175
If you research the Bush Family history back a few generations where Congress had to intervene because of War Profiteering (seeling goods to the other side of a war we were fighting), and some of the original moneys to build some "synthetic fuel" plants in Germany that were later made famous for other reasons. You can see that is is easier although time consuming to cover your tracks and sanitize history.
This presidency has the reputation of being the most closed with regard to sharing information. That is our publicly elected representative does not want us to interfere with his proper running of government. But aren't we suposed to audit his business dealing?
My point is that with the new powers given in the Patriot act, it may be hard to get to the evidence of abuse as that would be classified information and not availble possibly even with the use of the Freedom of Information act powers.
If all else fails, shred the evidence, whoever they are, after all we don't want to look bad on camera do we. Is my collar straight? Smile
The point being that political agenda's can effect work being done for other countries. A good example was the U.S. Embasy in Moscow which I believe was found to have implanted listening devices.
Our FBI has constructed viruses to slip in and tap into a persons key strokes. Our governemt lobbied to use weaker encryption so only they could break it with their computers. They want security key escoroles. Eschalon (http://www.tripzine.com/print.asp?id=eschalon) exists. Not talking about paranoia but just the current facts. As a computer person, which I assume is the case, you should be wary of the possibiliies. China has more government control than you might suspect being a Communist system with a western capitalistic veneer. I am just raising the idea of the possibilities of something in everyones home built by some country with a different agenda that might be counter to our own and a country. The issue should have been raised in Congress and more serious considerations given to the consequences if things go bad between our countries, as in Taiwan. YOu should have a healthy respect for the possibilities especially the negative ones.
No I am thinking that as much as we would like otherwise the world is aligned on country boundries. I live here the Chinese live there. Unlike companies that have cleaner mutual interests in economic relationships, countries have a different usually non-economic layer of politics that effects the companies relations between countries.
What can happen and what I was suggesting that for important industries, there may ba a conflict of interest that comes up between coutnries that effects the companies dealing cross border. A good case in point is the border wars we have between the US and Canada over fishing rights. I worked for a US subsidiary of a Canadian company and we would run into trouble on the border sometimes getting pulled into rooms and questions why we were going up to Canada to do work that Canadians could do. Apparently on occasion these two friendly countries would make the common folk suffer for political disputes.
In the case of China we have several as I mentioned area's that could cause major political problems between the countries that could have major fallout on companies doing business cross border. I understand that China is currently involved in a very large "movement" within the party where all the party members are having to meet and probably go through a 'self examination' process. I think they are worried that the rush to capitalism is going too quickly and graft and corruption in the government is increasing and things are getting out of their central control. You also see that thier retoric around Taiwan is heating up and becoming more intransigent. I personally think we could see a major set of policy shifts in the near future and I would venture to say, we will be blindsided by them.
So no US not better but we have to look at the risk of important comodities and services not under your control. As any good programmer you do defensive programming.
Didn't you forget those people who now have a job with them that won't. They probably won't be getting those relatively high paid relatively pleasant jobs.
Its a house of cards. Lets be carefull that the bottom cards can't be pulled out by somone we don't know, isn't really our friend, and we don't have any controls over. It comes down to who's self interest is in charge. We see that with the current administration that is trying to re-make not only the entire country but then entire world in their own model of how they think things should be. China has a good track record for doing much the same. And with the precident of Iraq can Taiwan be far behind.
Yes very wise to devest the country with the manufacture of an essential commodity. Wise for the executives and investors to eliminate domestic jobs. Very wise on so many levels. Yes wise, well maybe greedy and self serving, but then that is the only wisdom and only value in the capitalistic system as it is currently conceived. I keep thinking there must be a better way.
But they are outruning their infrastructure. They dont have the power distirbution, water, roads, etc to support that kind of sustained growth. It should be interesting to see what happens.
I beg your pardon. These pc's come with code. That code will be created and loaded by another country that certainly mixes more politics and business than we do, well that seems to be changing.
What could happen. Well thousands of PC's delivered with back doors embedded. Possibly like a number of Electronic voting machines that do not disclose their source code.
We of course are economic partners with China, well maybe not on the issues of Taiwan independance or North Korean behavior or Tibet. Wasn't there a airspace incident not to many years ago. What about Tien a Min square and currently the issues with the Fa Lung Gong (well they might have a point there). China has a good face which is hard to see behind, culturally. They will do whats best for China and when the shit hits the fan which it might over Taiwan there could be a major economic price we pay. If our PC production is off shore we could have to play catch up to get back to where we are on track technologically.
So there could be a number of security issues, whats really in the boxes themselves and control over the supply of the necesarry resource.
I am surprised that the government did not think that there might be one or two issues that needed more thought here. Or is the Chinese economic stick already big enough to make us not question the possible implications of this kind of sale.
They did pass it. The only chance is the Governer not signing it. It does seem to effect people who are auctioneers and the article did say the Ebay did not think it pertained to anyone selling on Ebay or Ebay itself.
It also talks about a one year apprenticship with a licensed auctioneer and to participate in auctions around the State. I think this legislation is for those people calling out bids at an auction (auctioneers). This would not apply then to the person having their items auctioned. I can see Ohio requiring a $50k bond and a one year apprenticeship for people selling a teapot through an auction. This article is making some rather erroneous claims.
The fact that Ebay thinks it doesn't pertain to them could have to do with the fact that no person is doing the auctioning, a program is. Possibly worst case Ebay would have to put up a bond. But having a terminal connected to Ebay participate in auctions around the State is a interesting image.
It would all depend on how the law was written. The article seems to think that it does pertain to people who are selling through the auction process but they don't supply any details of the language of the bill (that was passed) that would suggest that it does.
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And it is also true that simple code is easier to optimize automatically and programming induced optimization can prevent the compiler from doing the best job of optimization.
Actually I think that some small local optimizations that are done by programmers prevent the compiler from being able to do deeper and more fundemental optimizations.
The point being that the programmer should write clear understandable, readable, maintainable code and let the compiler do the optimizations. Its its job. If your compiler is not doing a good job then get another compiler.
A good example in point is the Fortran compilers these days because of their more restrictive structure and good optimizations benchmark at 20 times faster than the equivalent C or C++ code of the same algorthims. And not hand optimizations will catch that up. Check it out, for heavy numerical and array processing use Fortran. Not because of the language but because with the language and a good optimizing compiler, magic happens.
Trouble with life is it is so small but can have a profound impact, like say wiping out all life on earth. The downside could be extreme. Maybe we send some people up to study Martian microbes on the condition that they never come back and never send anything back except information. That might work.
Good, a much more reasonable stance, but we only have the words on paper to go by. Yes I agree being responsible for your actions is very important and a good standard to go by.
I have an issue with the certaintly of the community standards about what is good vs. what is bad behaviour.
Not to dismiss your own decisions on parenting, but the "studies" done on what is good or acceptable parenting practice may be flawed and have very long term negative effects. China will be a good example of sort of unilateral change in parenting with their policy to have only one child (very successful). There are now a large crop of families with and only child. The family structure in China is now broken. These children are very spoiled in the way only children naturally are because they don't have to contend with siblings for resources or attention or love. Their children will have parents but almost no Aunts and Uncles. Think about it, The large extended family is the cornerstone of Chinese culture, now broken forever on a massive scale. Watch out for the new China that will emerge.
The point being an overal law or policy or accepted behavior can have a dramatic effect for a long time.
It the case of this thread, changing the "responsibility" of an ISP to be responsible legally for their hosted content dramatially changes the business model in a way that makes it unfeasible for many of those businesses to operate, or if they do the prices will climb dramatically, which will effect all of us as a hidden cultural tax. And I fear the beginnings of the "Witch Hunt" days coming back. With the president that wanted the "Tips" program for citizens to have an easier way to inform on other fellow citizens, and scare tactics used by the Justice department to try and remove sexually explicit materials from stores. I am afraid that the up-tight ultra conservative agenda is trying to infect the country with its unhealthy constrictive outlook on life liberty and the persuit of happiness by us citizens.
But at least the person proposing the law fully intended (or hoped, or was just trying to score points with a constituency) that to become law. We have to watch those people very closely and vote against them when we can.
"So yes, I WILL demonize people accused of child abuse. They are making a decision"
Well you should not let your emotions control you, show some of that grown up restraint you are showing with your kids. Somone accused is not someone guilty. Having had family on both sides of the Salem Witch trails, and having observed the institutional emotional immaturity exhibited by the Committee on Un-American Activities (or whatever their official title was/is) during the 50's and the irrational emotions that lead to lynchings in this country. We seem to always be on the edge of loosing self control.
We should just spank those people fanning the flames. As adults spanking adults. Maybe they will get the message that their behaviour is unacceptable to the rest of society.
Brings to mind the famous Case that started the the big Child Pornography witchhunt including looking for demonic cults in day care centers, that was found to be the product of implanted memory and improper questioning techniques by an unqualified psychologist.
The country was in arms, and the effect is still felt today. People have a capacity to convict in their hearts rather than holding the grand principle of "Innocent until proven guilty". You got caught by these small minded, jumping to conclusion sad people. You know those people who are never wrong even in the face of the facts.
There should be a center where people are required to turn in their hot buttons for save distruction.
I too have been accused by someone falsely and it hurts. Maybe it takes having that happening to you to see the danger of making judgements on others.
Let's just say for argument I have a Windows XP machine that has been hit by a virus or other malady and is in operable, maybe just the tcp stack so I can't connect for download, or its ethernet card has been fried by a lightning storm. I want to take my Linux system or mac or whatever to download the patches that will fix that system. Download updates to sotware I purchased and have a right to.
Maybe its for my dad's computer that I bought for him and he does not have an internet connection (blasphemy).
What they are saying is that you need to be using that OS system to get the updates. They may have a bootstrapping problem here for some problem resolution. If the product isn't the OS then they are still requiring there OS to be the conduit for updates.
The question is, do they have a different route, like mailing out updates for these situations? If they do and it does not cost you anything then they can have a better argument, but I suspect that is not the case.
"Windows Genuine Advantage already helps protect millions of Windows users from an inferior computing experience, viruses and other vulnerabilities that can result from counterfeit software."
You should only have the inferior computing, viruses and vulnuerabilities that result from Genuine Windows products. Don't be fooled by immitations.
NSA and ECHELON is looking at all kinds of what we might term "private" communication, It does not make sense that they are not also looking at the Internet in general to gather intellegence. The FBI seems to do more of that with its new powers to listen in on traffic. With the new "Homeland Security" initiatives, don't think that they aren't opening the gates to these agencies to widen and deepen general survellance of the public.
This latest is only giving them public authority to a portion of the internet and internetworking. I suspect it is just a foot in the door. Maybe this is just a pilot for testing software and techinques for wider use.
They are after all a secret information gathering agency.
Hidden meaning thats what most art collectors are doing staring at those representations in art. Ah, to convince someone to pay you to do that. Who ever said the NSA weren't smart.
Yes, true but you know in your heart that the cost of re-mixing it into a matrix that keeps the radioactive element seperate and stable would be exprohibitively expensive. And you sure as hell know that the cost benefit for using nuclear energy does not take that into account, nor even the cost of long term storage of un-mined uranium (coining a new term for re-mixing and putting back into the ground operations). If you looked at the overall energy cost of all those operations. I would think it would turn out to be more expensive than anyone would be willing to pay.
Then there is the cost of disaster. Which would at least get factored in in the insurance cost for running a nuclear plant. But then we probably have legistated that they are not responsible for disaster so they dont have to pay that cost. We have a tendecy to do short term thinking. Just look at the current government which is running up record deficits, in the trillions of dollars. They don't care who pays as long as it isnt them, and they get the benefits of the money and the power control of money buys now, and some of the conservatives have a stated goal of bankrupting the government as a way of crippling its effect on their businesses. What a world , What a world.
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If you try and find out about President Bush's arrest and conviction record you have a hard time. The CIA is doing a purge of de-classified information, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=4535175
If you research the Bush Family history back a few generations where Congress had to intervene because of War Profiteering (seeling goods to the other side of a war we were fighting), and some of the original moneys to build some "synthetic fuel" plants in Germany that were later made famous for other reasons. You can see that is is easier although time consuming to cover your tracks and sanitize history.
This presidency has the reputation of being the most closed with regard to sharing information. That is our publicly elected representative does not want us to interfere with his proper running of government. But aren't we suposed to audit his business dealing?
My point is that with the new powers given in the Patriot act, it may be hard to get to the evidence of abuse as that would be classified information and not availble possibly even with the use of the Freedom of Information act powers.
If all else fails, shred the evidence, whoever they are, after all we don't want to look bad on camera do we. Is my collar straight? Smile
The point being that political agenda's can effect work being done for other countries. A good example was the U.S. Embasy in Moscow which I believe was found to have implanted listening devices.
Our FBI has constructed viruses to slip in and tap into a persons key strokes. Our governemt lobbied to use weaker encryption so only they could break it with their computers. They want security key escoroles. Eschalon (http://www.tripzine.com/print.asp?id=eschalon) exists. Not talking about paranoia but just the current facts. As a computer person, which I assume is the case, you should be wary of the possibiliies. China has more government control than you might suspect being a Communist system with a western capitalistic veneer. I am just raising the idea of the possibilities of something in everyones home built by some country with a different agenda that might be counter to our own and a country. The issue should have been raised in Congress and more serious considerations given to the consequences if things go bad between our countries, as in Taiwan. YOu should have a healthy respect for the possibilities especially the negative ones.
No I am thinking that as much as we would like otherwise the world is aligned on country boundries. I live here the Chinese live there. Unlike companies that have cleaner mutual interests in economic relationships, countries have a different usually non-economic layer of politics that effects the companies relations between countries.
What can happen and what I was suggesting that for important industries, there may ba a conflict of interest that comes up between coutnries that effects the companies dealing cross border. A good case in point is the border wars we have between the US and Canada over fishing rights. I worked for a US subsidiary of a Canadian company and we would run into trouble on the border sometimes getting pulled into rooms and questions why we were going up to Canada to do work that Canadians could do. Apparently on occasion these two friendly countries would make the common folk suffer for political disputes.
In the case of China we have several as I mentioned area's that could cause major political problems between the countries that could have major fallout on companies doing business cross border. I understand that China is currently involved in a very large "movement" within the party where all the party members are having to meet and probably go through a 'self examination' process. I think they are worried that the rush to capitalism is going too quickly and graft and corruption in the government is increasing and things are getting out of their central control. You also see that thier retoric around Taiwan is heating up and becoming more intransigent. I personally think we could see a major set of policy shifts in the near future and I would venture to say, we will be blindsided by them.
So no US not better but we have to look at the risk of important comodities and services not under your control. As any good programmer you do defensive programming.
"which mostly reminds me of what happened in America before the Civil War. The South became a militarily-strong, industrially-weak debtor."
Great example and a point I have been trying to make. Local optimizations sometimes can cause global catastrophe.
Didn't you forget those people who now have a job with them that won't. They probably won't be getting those relatively high paid relatively pleasant jobs.
Its a house of cards. Lets be carefull that the bottom cards can't be pulled out by somone we don't know, isn't really our friend, and we don't have any controls over. It comes down to who's self interest is in charge. We see that with the current administration that is trying to re-make not only the entire country but then entire world in their own model of how they think things should be. China has a good track record for doing much the same. And with the precident of Iraq can Taiwan be far behind.
Yes very wise to devest the country with the manufacture of an essential commodity. Wise for the executives and investors to eliminate domestic jobs. Very wise on so many levels. Yes wise, well maybe greedy and self serving, but then that is the only wisdom and only value in the capitalistic system as it is currently conceived. I keep thinking there must be a better way.
You haven't looked in Chinese kitchens in China. Its one reason they cook everything including the water.
But they are outruning their infrastructure. They dont have the power distirbution, water, roads, etc to support that kind of sustained growth. It should be interesting to see what happens.
I beg your pardon. These pc's come with code. That code will be created and loaded by another country that certainly mixes more politics and business than we do, well that seems to be changing.
What could happen. Well thousands of PC's delivered with back doors embedded. Possibly like a number of Electronic voting machines that do not disclose their source code.
We of course are economic partners with China, well maybe not on the issues of Taiwan independance or North Korean behavior or Tibet. Wasn't there a airspace incident not to many years ago. What about Tien a Min square and currently the issues with the Fa Lung Gong (well they might have a point there). China has a good face which is hard to see behind, culturally. They will do whats best for China and when the shit hits the fan which it might over Taiwan there could be a major economic price we pay. If our PC production is off shore we could have to play catch up to get back to where we are on track technologically.
So there could be a number of security issues, whats really in the boxes themselves and control over the supply of the necesarry resource.
I am surprised that the government did not think that there might be one or two issues that needed more thought here. Or is the Chinese economic stick already big enough to make us not question the possible implications of this kind of sale.
They did pass it. The only chance is the Governer not signing it. It does seem to effect people who are auctioneers and the article did say the Ebay did not think it pertained to anyone selling on Ebay or Ebay itself.
It also talks about a one year apprenticship with a licensed auctioneer and to participate in auctions around the State. I think this legislation is for those people calling out bids at an auction (auctioneers). This would not apply then to the person having their items auctioned. I can see Ohio requiring a $50k bond and a one year apprenticeship for people selling a teapot through an auction. This article is making some rather erroneous claims.
The fact that Ebay thinks it doesn't pertain to them could have to do with the fact that no person is doing the auctioning, a program is. Possibly worst case Ebay would have to put up a bond. But having a terminal connected to Ebay participate in auctions around the State is a interesting image.
It would all depend on how the law was written. The article seems to think that it does pertain to people who are selling through the auction process but they don't supply any details of the language of the bill (that was passed) that would suggest that it does.
"I wouldn't want to belong to any club that has me as a memeber" --Groucho
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Besides some programmer optimizations prevent the compiler from doing some of its optimizations therby slowing the whole thing down.
And it is also true that simple code is easier to optimize automatically and programming induced optimization can prevent the compiler from doing the best job of optimization.
So clear simple code can have two benefits.
Actually I think that some small local optimizations that are done by programmers prevent the compiler from being able to do deeper and more fundemental optimizations.
The point being that the programmer should write clear understandable, readable, maintainable code and let the compiler do the optimizations. Its its job. If your compiler is not doing a good job then get another compiler.
A good example in point is the Fortran compilers these days because of their more restrictive structure and good optimizations benchmark at 20 times faster than the equivalent C or C++ code of the same algorthims. And not hand optimizations will catch that up. Check it out, for heavy numerical and array processing use Fortran. Not because of the language but because with the language and a good optimizing compiler, magic happens.
Trouble with life is it is so small but can have a profound impact, like say wiping out all life on earth. The downside could be extreme. Maybe we send some people up to study Martian microbes on the condition that they never come back and never send anything back except information. That might work.
Your right, couldnt think of the case.. thanks.
Good, a much more reasonable stance, but we only have the words on paper to go by. Yes I agree being responsible for your actions is very important and a good standard to go by.
I have an issue with the certaintly of the community standards about what is good vs. what is bad behaviour.
Not to dismiss your own decisions on parenting, but the "studies" done on what is good or acceptable parenting practice may be flawed and have very long term negative effects. China will be a good example of sort of unilateral change in parenting with their policy to have only one child (very successful). There are now a large crop of families with and only child. The family structure in China is now broken. These children are very spoiled in the way only children naturally are because they don't have to contend with siblings for resources or attention or love. Their children will have parents but almost no Aunts and Uncles. Think about it, The large extended family is the cornerstone of Chinese culture, now broken forever on a massive scale. Watch out for the new China that will emerge.
The point being an overal law or policy or accepted behavior can have a dramatic effect for a long time.
It the case of this thread, changing the "responsibility" of an ISP to be responsible legally for their hosted content dramatially changes the business model in a way that makes it unfeasible for many of those businesses to operate, or if they do the prices will climb dramatically, which will effect all of us as a hidden cultural tax. And I fear the beginnings of the "Witch Hunt" days coming back. With the president that wanted the "Tips" program for citizens to have an easier way to inform on other fellow citizens, and scare tactics used by the Justice department to try and remove sexually explicit materials from stores. I am afraid that the up-tight ultra conservative agenda is trying to infect the country with its unhealthy constrictive outlook on life liberty and the persuit of happiness by us citizens.
"Proposing a law isn't the same as MAKING a law"
But at least the person proposing the law fully intended (or hoped, or was just trying to score points with a constituency) that to become law. We have to watch those people very closely and vote against them when we can.
"So yes, I WILL demonize people accused of child abuse. They are making a decision"
Well you should not let your emotions control you, show some of that grown up restraint you are showing with your kids. Somone accused is not someone guilty. Having had family on both sides of the Salem Witch trails, and having observed the institutional emotional immaturity exhibited by the Committee on Un-American Activities (or whatever their official title was/is) during the 50's and the irrational emotions that lead to lynchings in this country. We seem to always be on the edge of loosing self control.
We should just spank those people fanning the flames. As adults spanking adults. Maybe they will get the message that their behaviour is unacceptable to the rest of society.
Brings to mind the famous Case that started the the big Child Pornography witchhunt including looking for demonic cults in day care centers, that was found to be the product of implanted memory and improper questioning techniques by an unqualified psychologist.
The country was in arms, and the effect is still felt today. People have a capacity to convict in their hearts rather than holding the grand principle of "Innocent until proven guilty". You got caught by these small minded, jumping to conclusion sad people. You know those people who are never wrong even in the face of the facts.
There should be a center where people are required to turn in their hot buttons for save distruction.
I too have been accused by someone falsely and it hurts. Maybe it takes having that happening to you to see the danger of making judgements on others.
Let's just say for argument I have a Windows XP machine that has been hit by a virus or other malady and is in operable, maybe just the tcp stack so I can't connect for download, or its ethernet card has been fried by a lightning storm. I want to take my Linux system or mac or whatever to download the patches that will fix that system. Download updates to sotware I purchased and have a right to.
Maybe its for my dad's computer that I bought for him and he does not have an internet connection (blasphemy).
What they are saying is that you need to be using that OS system to get the updates. They may have a bootstrapping problem here for some problem resolution. If the product isn't the OS then they are still requiring there OS to be the conduit for updates.
The question is, do they have a different route, like mailing out updates for these situations? If they do and it does not cost you anything then they can have a better argument, but I suspect that is not the case.
"Windows Genuine Advantage already helps protect millions of Windows users from an inferior computing experience, viruses and other vulnerabilities that can result from counterfeit software."
You should only have the inferior computing, viruses and vulnuerabilities that result from Genuine Windows products. Don't be fooled by immitations.
Wait there's more....
Here is a link that tells of some of the various agencies and techniques used in survellence.
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http://www.guide2net.net/security/articles/priv
NSA and ECHELON is looking at all kinds of what we might term "private" communication, It does not make sense that they are not also looking at the Internet in general to gather intellegence. The FBI seems to do more of that with its new powers to listen in on traffic. With the new "Homeland Security" initiatives, don't think that they aren't opening the gates to these agencies to widen and deepen general survellance of the public.
This latest is only giving them public authority to a portion of the internet and internetworking. I suspect it is just a foot in the door. Maybe this is just a pilot for testing software and techinques for wider use.
They are after all a secret information gathering agency.
Hidden meaning thats what most art collectors are doing staring at those representations in art. Ah, to convince someone to pay you to do that. Who ever said the NSA weren't smart.
Yes, true but you know in your heart that the cost of re-mixing it into a matrix that keeps the radioactive element seperate and stable would be exprohibitively expensive. And you sure as hell know that the cost benefit for using nuclear energy does not take that into account, nor even the cost of long term storage of un-mined uranium (coining a new term for re-mixing and putting back into the ground operations). If you looked at the overall energy cost of all those operations. I would think it would turn out to be more expensive than anyone would be willing to pay.
Then there is the cost of disaster. Which would at least get factored in in the insurance cost for running a nuclear plant. But then we probably have legistated that they are not responsible for disaster so they dont have to pay that cost. We have a tendecy to do short term thinking. Just look at the current government which is running up record deficits, in the trillions of dollars. They don't care who pays as long as it isnt them, and they get the benefits of the money and the power control of money buys now, and some of the conservatives have a stated goal of bankrupting the government as a way of crippling its effect on their businesses. What a world , What a world.