The question is about XP lic issues and how they are going to complicate life for windows XP users.
His response is rather terse in a sense, perhaps largiloquint(sp) as he is, the answer was rather devoid of content except we want to make as much money as we possibly can. Duh!
But I think hes in the right on a lot too, its their right to charge whatever the hell they want, don't use it if you dont like it! In every major area there is a sufficiently usable alternative for almost every case. I know some folks get locked in but I bet that there are alternatives etc. Anyways, oh well. I use Windows OS' and I use FreeBSD, and I use Linux. Ive always went through much more trouble configuring my Unix boxes when im learning a new part. Such as setting up DNS. But then it has always worked how it should for the most part. So there are just trade-off's everywhere. MS is an OK company to me they make some nice products that I like a good bit. Sure, I'll pay. Anyways.
But.. Bellsouth Fastaccess ADSL has been nothing but good to me.
They said 1.5mbps dwn/256kbps up
I have downloaded at 1.4mbps down and 220kbps up.
I consistently stay above 1mbps and 200kbps always
The pings ROCK for gaming. less than 140 any game any server just about.
50 Dollars a month
Okay so you have to use windows but hey I do way to much stuff with work at home so Linux is outta the question.
So for me its been nothing but pleasant.
15 Days from ORDER to working painless self install.
Thats impressive.
Say what you will about all of this but bellsouth is not going anywhere most likely
I also have a Speakeasy 768up/down SDSL sittin in my bedroom which I host a gaming server on.
This also was quite reliable and stable. Easily done 1 month from upgrade of my IDSL to my SDSL installation.
Not to bad ehh?
I would hate to believe my experience is an exception.
I have no idea of there are cable providers in my area. I like the ADSL honestly for gaming etc its perfect.
Anyhow, take your chances with DSL or Cable I have heard horror stories for all so you just have to choose your battles but its not like there is a rule that one or the other is always better.
Well Considering UDDI is actually a implmentation of SOAP and the protocol is totally open...
Your application can easily interface with the Universal Description Discovery and Integration of business for the web;)
Basically UDDI (from a end developer stand point) large database which has data about a company (yours if you publish it to the db) which allows you to publish what kind of web services you make available and what kind of services these are, enough so that you can programmatically interface with said systems based totally on a UDDI session *IF* you already know how to talk with xyz webservice which literally can be anything.
UDDI is backed up (IMO: as a kind of showcase of what SOAP can do) And as such it is backed up by Microsoft, IBM, and several other notable and large companies.
It is a way to show the world what kind of things a web service can do and is a first step in moving everything to a webservice.
Strategically making the integration of webservices easier makes them more viable and attrative to bigger companies.
So microsoft and everyone getting behind UDDI makes perfect sense.
the CLR May someday make it to Unix, but the whole thing about SOAP etc is that its totally open.
Berlin is a great idea.
It is doing what C++ did t C except for GUI's.
Letting you work with the problem domain and not worry about crazy implmentation details such as lame0 X stuff.
Anyways..
(Yes C++ is step up from C IMO)
Jeremy
Wow.. we have a bright one here..
So your company can eat the cost of advanced server or whatever NT you use?
Okay so you can afford a MS Server OS but cant afford a freeOS+ChilliSoft ASP?
Brilliant...
Jeremy
No I do not give to the community for the most part.
So why take me serious?
For starters I know I can work 10-20 hours on a weekend for something I feel passionately about. Hacking a mud. Writing my CounterStrike clans website. Hell just working once in a while.
So, it doesnt matter because I know that if you try you can do these things in your spare time.
Thats my point.
I dont care if you take me seriously, its the truth.
No really, If the site cannot support itself then how about finding a job and doing what you can with a site ehh?
I mean think about it... If you simply cant make money on a site but you just want it to stay around why not get a job to pay for your habits ehh?
Some of the time you just have to sacrifice 100% of your attention for one thing in order to at least to just keep something around.
Otherwise... you will be SOL.
That is that.. the web is about information exchange not making tons of money. It provides a great convenience but how can a site that usually just provides textual content really expect to make money.
People write books and GIVE them away (Bruce Eckel) and you can go buy a book for say 40 dollars right now. So why would I pay for content on some website such as news when there is TV and Newspapers that are just as convenient. Newspapers may cost say a dollar but people totally have the mindset that they are NOT paying for a website.
It just wont happen because there is not enough mas acceptance of Micropayment etc.
Give it up! It wont work! Get a job all you hippie content providers;) (That was a joke:)
After peering at the source I can safely say that... The only thing "exciting" about the toolbar is the fact that it has nifty interfaces to the IE, DHTML component.
However the bulk of the functionality in the rich text editor is still in an activeX component since I have written an editor using the EXACT same component.
Their interface is nice.. but it doesnt qualify as "over the net in seconds" since it is just script to interface with the chunky DHTML component you happily already have if you have IE 5..:)
hehe your post seems self contradicting. "What killed Corel was the introduction of Microsoft Office" yet Microsoft did not kill Corel??? Hehe silly goose.. think about it
The paper means nothing...
I am a software developer..
I have no "paper" that says I know what I am doing, I just do know what I am doing.
Let me put it this way, I have neded up training and babying and then firing guys five years my elder with CS degrees because they couldnt handle the work they said they could.
I am 20 and I have proven myself through my work.
I design large scale applications.. Do I need a piece of paper to do so if it works and people praise me for my work?
ALmost every programming language and application out there has a community of some sort.
Being involved in the community and being able to hands on talk with people who have been doing it a long time and have these gurus respond to you the little guy and see how they would do something can give a new programmer more insight in one email post than four chapters from a book.
Learn about the thought process from a brilliant mind and how to analyze a situation rather than learn about a specific way a book says to do something and again you have just made huge leaps and bounds over where you previously were.
Enthusiasm can take you a very long way, never giving up persistence and above all studying others works.
Its just like at chess, if you always play people worse than you your not learning much, whereas if you play someone who beats you in three or four moves the first time you play them you must work that much harder and you will become a much better player as a result. Just like having a mini Linus Torvalds with you as you write a new kernel module the benefits are quite obvious..
you will find that langauges and platforms with the etter communities can some of the time attract developers much easier than other language.
Well.. I know "web development" is a far cry from game development, but ive done extensive amounts of the former.
We have a graphics department. They HAVE to know the parameters they have to work with in a browser, and they have to work somewhat closely with us on exaclty what is possible with graphics in a broswer, and what works, and what does not.
Letting a creative design user interface is a double edged sword. Most of the time form over functioanlity is stressed, it looks just perfect this way. Yeah sure it looks perfect but the users cant really use it. Some of the time you get some real creative interfaces that are really great.
But our rule as software developers is to leave the interface design to us. We work more closely with people who use the software, we get the feedback we handle the coding of the UI.
We take suggestions but in the end we stress functionality in our design, not form.
I am not a incredibly creative or artisticily inclined person. I am *okay* from practice but some people are born more creative than others, that is a fact:-p
Very good graphics people tend to be abstract thinkers in my opinon as that is what i observe with most graphics people. Programmers tend to be incredibly anylitical. I think the latter combined with the amount of work closely we do with so many interfaces to computer programs it grants a software developer a much better idea of what is good at design time as far as UI functionality goes.
The bounds of a graphic designer are limitless. Everything on the web would be neat perfectly formed videos graphics people created if it were possible. It is not. Working with web developers these boundaries have to be learned and the graphics process must be based on the boundaries of the system you are working with, there is a fine balance and some give/take has to be done. To an artist a one pixel deviation in just the right spot can be like you throwing away their entire design.. (An exaggeration but not much).
So there is a balance, I think UI is best left to programmers ultimately, with strong help and feedback from graphics people the whole way you can end up with a nice and flashy product that still remains functional. It is possible and most everyones comes out pretty happy in the end.
Uhm right, so your saying that just because I store a users password encrypted in a cookie and give htem a very simnilar feature they can patent it, BS its a logical extension of a well developed intranet/web app.
NExt, so your saying because a user can click "once" in my application and it pulls up some information from a database amazon somehow has a patent on this?????
Puh lease, its a good idea, but you have to keep inovating to stay alive, you cant just sit on technology and pray the competition doesnt pass you buy.
You have to continue to develop and add useful features, so what if the competition has 9 million coders and can do the same, if you continually do it and continually provide better content and a useful product that is more pleasing and easy to use than you will come out on top unless you have bonehead marketing.
So dont tell me this is fair, it is not.
Screw that im patenting mouse clicks in a browser, that is what hte amazon patent is. Yeah business logic my ass, that took their developers a good month to implement at best...Yes they had to be careful when delaing with a single click to buy something, but hey you should alkways be careful you dont desserve a patent for careful coding.
IT is just BS, thats my opinon. You are entitlted to yours I just disagree:-)
No kidding.. You guys complain about software and trump Linux pretty heavily but.. I want for a minute to delve into the realm of the hypothetical.
I am not assuming any of this is true just saying what if sto help illustrate what the previous poster said.
Okay I am your average software developer.. If I told my boss this 1000 dollar program would save me 5 hours a week it would be bought for me in an instant.
Why? Because 5 hours a week at over 30 dollars an hour... 5*30=150*4=600 Dollars in one month. In two months of application development the application has paid for itself. Now my employer begins to just simply save money and deliver apps quicker and on a smaller budget. Okay so you still think 1000 dollars is much?? Paying a developer over 70,000 dollars and not giving him tools he/she says will speed up their development even if they are expenisve is throwing money away.
So 1,000 dollars is a drop in the hat when you really think about it. We pay 5-6K a year easily for our MSDN and it saves us money every time.
Okay so.. I know you guys are all sold on free software.. but you have to understand that if you develop a product and it is really good, and it will save people money and or enable them to do something more effeciently you will find that people are willing to pay if the price is right, and usually that price is high enough that you can make a very nice living as a software developer:)
Rant time.. And.. If everything was free well.. all of the open source developers would find real jobs and the quality of open source would drop, becuase everyone would have to ifnd real jobs and not have time for OS stuff.
Next major rant point, we often hear a whole lot about these cool open source people getting jobs with companies like VA etc, like ERic Raymond and Mandrake etc..
I bet these people literally make up such a small percentage of the developers in the world that its not even funny (That is developers working on free software full time and that is their primary job)
I have no statistics to back this up justwhat ive observed.
Its a lot easier to give something away when you are making good money and dont have anything else like buying food to worry about.
You see, once the scientists have made a sound decision and weighed the possible outcomes and they make as good of an educated guess if the possible outcomes are more hazardous than the possible benefits it is a VERY political issue.
Think about it you or I can decide okay there is a 10 percent chance we ALL die from this do it or press on in the name of science?
Heh, I think id rather not leave things to chance in the sake of being the first one to do that...
Slashdot Mirror
I got the same idea.
Specifically, check out question #8.
The question is about XP lic issues and how they are going to complicate life for windows XP users.
His response is rather terse in a sense, perhaps largiloquint(sp) as he is, the answer was rather devoid of content except we want to make as much money as we possibly can. Duh!
But I think hes in the right on a lot too, its their right to charge whatever the hell they want, don't use it if you dont like it! In every major area there is a sufficiently usable alternative for almost every case. I know some folks get locked in but I bet that there are alternatives etc. Anyways, oh well. I use Windows OS' and I use FreeBSD, and I use Linux. Ive always went through much more trouble configuring my Unix boxes when im learning a new part. Such as setting up DNS. But then it has always worked how it should for the most part. So there are just trade-off's everywhere. MS is an OK company to me they make some nice products that I like a good bit. Sure, I'll pay. Anyways.
Jeremy
APRIL FOOLS
;)
They got you good.. open source people cooperating and working toghether.. pfft.
Jeremy
Well..
And say im a lamer or whatever..
But.. Bellsouth Fastaccess ADSL has been nothing but good to me.
They said 1.5mbps dwn/256kbps up
I have downloaded at 1.4mbps down and 220kbps up. I consistently stay above 1mbps and 200kbps always The pings ROCK for gaming. less than 140 any game any server just about.
50 Dollars a month
Okay so you have to use windows but hey I do way to much stuff with work at home so Linux is outta the question.
So for me its been nothing but pleasant.
15 Days from ORDER to working painless self install.
Thats impressive.
Say what you will about all of this but bellsouth is not going anywhere most likely
I also have a Speakeasy 768up/down SDSL sittin in my bedroom which I host a gaming server on.
This also was quite reliable and stable. Easily done 1 month from upgrade of my IDSL to my SDSL installation.
Not to bad ehh?
I would hate to believe my experience is an exception.
I have no idea of there are cable providers in my area. I like the ADSL honestly for gaming etc its perfect.
Anyhow, take your chances with DSL or Cable I have heard horror stories for all so you just have to choose your battles but its not like there is a rule that one or the other is always better.
Jeremy
I just got a 1.5mbps/256kbps DSL installed to my apartment with a 768kbps/768kbsp SDSL on its way for hosting purposes!
Im happy and im far enough away from any major city (southwest of Atlanta) that it took a while to get stuff rolling here
Jeremy
Well Considering UDDI is actually a implmentation of SOAP and the protocol is totally open... Your application can easily interface with the Universal Description Discovery and Integration of business for the web ;)
Basically UDDI (from a end developer stand point) large database which has data about a company (yours if you publish it to the db) which allows you to publish what kind of web services you make available and what kind of services these are, enough so that you can programmatically interface with said systems based totally on a UDDI session *IF* you already know how to talk with xyz webservice which literally can be anything.
UDDI is backed up (IMO: as a kind of showcase of what SOAP can do) And as such it is backed up by Microsoft, IBM, and several other notable and large companies.
It is a way to show the world what kind of things a web service can do and is a first step in moving everything to a webservice.
Strategically making the integration of webservices easier makes them more viable and attrative to bigger companies.
So microsoft and everyone getting behind UDDI makes perfect sense.
the CLR May someday make it to Unix, but the whole thing about SOAP etc is that its totally open.
Jeremy
I listen to country and promise you I can handle the cost of a CD..
You should not discriminate against music nor its audience because its not 1337. Try being more open minded.
Open Source, Closed Minds
So True. Jeremy
Berlin is a great idea. It is doing what C++ did t C except for GUI's. Letting you work with the problem domain and not worry about crazy implmentation details such as lame0 X stuff. Anyways.. (Yes C++ is step up from C IMO) Jeremy
Wow.. we have a bright one here.. So your company can eat the cost of advanced server or whatever NT you use? Okay so you can afford a MS Server OS but cant afford a freeOS+ChilliSoft ASP? Brilliant... Jeremy
Alrighty then.
I dont need to prove this.
Yes I am a programmer.
No I do not give to the community for the most part.
So why take me serious?
For starters I know I can work 10-20 hours on a weekend for something I feel passionately about. Hacking a mud. Writing my CounterStrike clans website. Hell just working once in a while.
So, it doesnt matter because I know that if you try you can do these things in your spare time.
Thats my point.
I dont care if you take me seriously, its the truth.
Jeremy
But....
;) (That was a joke :)
What about... A JOB!!!
No really, If the site cannot support itself then how about finding a job and doing what you can with a site ehh?
I mean think about it... If you simply cant make money on a site but you just want it to stay around why not get a job to pay for your habits ehh?
Some of the time you just have to sacrifice 100% of your attention for one thing in order to at least to just keep something around.
Otherwise... you will be SOL.
That is that.. the web is about information exchange not making tons of money. It provides a great convenience but how can a site that usually just provides textual content really expect to make money.
People write books and GIVE them away (Bruce Eckel) and you can go buy a book for say 40 dollars right now. So why would I pay for content on some website such as news when there is TV and Newspapers that are just as convenient. Newspapers may cost say a dollar but people totally have the mindset that they are NOT paying for a website.
It just wont happen because there is not enough mas acceptance of Micropayment etc.
Give it up! It wont work! Get a job all you hippie content providers
That is my suggestion at least..
Jeremy
After peering at the source I can safely say that... The only thing "exciting" about the toolbar is the fact that it has nifty interfaces to the IE, DHTML component.
:)
;p
However the bulk of the functionality in the rich text editor is still in an activeX component since I have written an editor using the EXACT same component.
Their interface is nice.. but it doesnt qualify as "over the net in seconds" since it is just script to interface with the chunky DHTML component you happily already have if you have IE 5..
Nice try
Jeremy
That is the sun blade 1000 not 100.. LOOK carefully.
hehe your post seems self contradicting. "What killed Corel was the introduction of Microsoft Office" yet Microsoft did not kill Corel??? Hehe silly goose.. think about it
Jeremy
The paper means nothing...
I am a software developer..
I have no "paper" that says I know what I am doing, I just do know what I am doing.
Let me put it this way, I have neded up training and babying and then firing guys five years my elder with CS degrees because they couldnt handle the work they said they could.
I am 20 and I have proven myself through my work.
I design large scale applications.. Do I need a piece of paper to do so if it works and people praise me for my work?
Jeremy
The "network of peers" cant be expressed enough.
:)
ALmost every programming language and application out there has a community of some sort.
Being involved in the community and being able to hands on talk with people who have been doing it a long time and have these gurus respond to you the little guy and see how they would do something can give a new programmer more insight in one email post than four chapters from a book.
Learn about the thought process from a brilliant mind and how to analyze a situation rather than learn about a specific way a book says to do something and again you have just made huge leaps and bounds over where you previously were.
Enthusiasm can take you a very long way, never giving up persistence and above all studying others works.
Its just like at chess, if you always play people worse than you your not learning much, whereas if you play someone who beats you in three or four moves the first time you play them you must work that much harder and you will become a much better player as a result. Just like having a mini Linus Torvalds with you as you write a new kernel module the benefits are quite obvious..
you will find that langauges and platforms with the etter communities can some of the time attract developers much easier than other language.
Jeremy
Well.. I know "web development" is a far cry from game development, but ive done extensive amounts of the former.
:-p
We have a graphics department. They HAVE to know the parameters they have to work with in a browser, and they have to work somewhat closely with us on exaclty what is possible with graphics in a broswer, and what works, and what does not.
Letting a creative design user interface is a double edged sword. Most of the time form over functioanlity is stressed, it looks just perfect this way. Yeah sure it looks perfect but the users cant really use it. Some of the time you get some real creative interfaces that are really great.
But our rule as software developers is to leave the interface design to us. We work more closely with people who use the software, we get the feedback we handle the coding of the UI.
We take suggestions but in the end we stress functionality in our design, not form.
I am not a incredibly creative or artisticily inclined person. I am *okay* from practice but some people are born more creative than others, that is a fact
Very good graphics people tend to be abstract thinkers in my opinon as that is what i observe with most graphics people. Programmers tend to be incredibly anylitical. I think the latter combined with the amount of work closely we do with so many interfaces to computer programs it grants a software developer a much better idea of what is good at design time as far as UI functionality goes.
The bounds of a graphic designer are limitless. Everything on the web would be neat perfectly formed videos graphics people created if it were possible. It is not. Working with web developers these boundaries have to be learned and the graphics process must be based on the boundaries of the system you are working with, there is a fine balance and some give/take has to be done. To an artist a one pixel deviation in just the right spot can be like you throwing away their entire design.. (An exaggeration but not much).
So there is a balance, I think UI is best left to programmers ultimately, with strong help and feedback from graphics people the whole way you can end up with a nice and flashy product that still remains functional. It is possible and most everyones comes out pretty happy in the end.
Jeremy
Uhm right, so your saying that just because I store a users password encrypted in a cookie and give htem a very simnilar feature they can patent it, BS its a logical extension of a well developed intranet/web app.
:-)
NExt, so your saying because a user can click "once" in my application and it pulls up some information from a database amazon somehow has a patent on this?????
Puh lease, its a good idea, but you have to keep inovating to stay alive, you cant just sit on technology and pray the competition doesnt pass you buy.
You have to continue to develop and add useful features, so what if the competition has 9 million coders and can do the same, if you continually do it and continually provide better content and a useful product that is more pleasing and easy to use than you will come out on top unless you have bonehead marketing.
So dont tell me this is fair, it is not.
Screw that im patenting mouse clicks in a browser, that is what hte amazon patent is. Yeah business logic my ass, that took their developers a good month to implement at best...Yes they had to be careful when delaing with a single click to buy something, but hey you should alkways be careful you dont desserve a patent for careful coding.
IT is just BS, thats my opinon. You are entitlted to yours I just disagree
Jeremy
Here in Georgia you can be dismissed, no matter what.
Reason Given: None = Acceptable
So... it depends its state to state.
Jeremy
If I copy a { from a GPL'd application am I violating the lic? What if I copy an entire printf displaying Hello World in some huge application?
What if I just borrow an idea with no code?
*shrugs*
Jeremy
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Okay it says I cant use caps.. stupid lameness filter.
Likemozilla minus a perl interpreter!!Tee HEe *ducks and runs for cover* :-D
Forgive me for my total lack of knowledgeo n the subject however.. I will take a stab here
(Yes i read article)
These neural nets supposedly "learn".
A sneeze would involve tons of signaling as many many muslces in your body work at once, not the response for say a gentle roll to the left.
Just a suggestion but I dont think its an issue since the muscle response is different and the neural net should be able to distinguish.
Jeremy
No kidding.. You guys complain about software and trump Linux pretty heavily but.. I want for a minute to delve into the realm of the hypothetical.
:)
I am not assuming any of this is true just saying what if sto help illustrate what the previous poster said.
Okay I am your average software developer.. If I told my boss this 1000 dollar program would save me 5 hours a week it would be bought for me in an instant.
Why? Because 5 hours a week at over 30 dollars an hour... 5*30=150*4=600 Dollars in one month. In two months of application development the application has paid for itself. Now my employer begins to just simply save money and deliver apps quicker and on a smaller budget. Okay so you still think 1000 dollars is much?? Paying a developer over 70,000 dollars and not giving him tools he/she says will speed up their development even if they are expenisve is throwing money away.
So 1,000 dollars is a drop in the hat when you really think about it. We pay 5-6K a year easily for our MSDN and it saves us money every time.
Okay so.. I know you guys are all sold on free software.. but you have to understand that if you develop a product and it is really good, and it will save people money and or enable them to do something more effeciently you will find that people are willing to pay if the price is right, and usually that price is high enough that you can make a very nice living as a software developer
Rant time.. And.. If everything was free well.. all of the open source developers would find real jobs and the quality of open source would drop, becuase everyone would have to ifnd real jobs and not have time for OS stuff.
Next major rant point, we often hear a whole lot about these cool open source people getting jobs with companies like VA etc, like ERic Raymond and Mandrake etc..
I bet these people literally make up such a small percentage of the developers in the world that its not even funny (That is developers working on free software full time and that is their primary job)
I have no statistics to back this up justwhat ive observed.
Its a lot easier to give something away when you are making good money and dont have anything else like buying food to worry about.
Jeremy
You see, once the scientists have made a sound decision and weighed the possible outcomes and they make as good of an educated guess if the possible outcomes are more hazardous than the possible benefits it is a VERY political issue.
Think about it you or I can decide okay there is a 10 percent chance we ALL die from this do it or press on in the name of science?
Heh, I think id rather not leave things to chance in the sake of being the first one to do that...
Jeremy
So.., who the hell would submit their code with a backdoor????
:P
That would be the height of stupidity.
I dont think the OpenBSD folks audit every single installations code every 6 months
Jeremy