You know I have read a lot of your arguments and I am not very sure they are well founded at all.
I have looked a lot of GTK code.. and yeah GDK is a little X centric.. but not really. I mean your GOING to have a hard time getting other ports working PERIOD.
Hello you are porting an entire graphics library to a totally new operating system, you have to account for all the nuances(read:BUGS!!!) and flaws and benefits of doing graphics rendering on that operating system
Its not pretty doing that in the Win32API which I believe accounts for much of the untidy unstable stuff. I like GTK a lot and I think that a key to success is getting something that CAN run very fast and have direct access to hardware.. Ive used the Gimp in windows and.. it works rather well if you ask me
Ive done minor work even and was not disappointed with the gimp..
The point is it is getting more stable every day and it is really a nice toolkit with a damn good design. So what if the middle layer is tied to one Platform that IMO is the point.
Tune it up take advantage of the OS's features so that once you got the middle layer working Viola the apps are ALL there and running beautiful and fast as ever. Is that not the point of the middle layer of the GDK?
Jeremy
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I use Forte Community edition and quite honestly its a nice little IDE. its written in Java and its heavy weight to be sure but its still nice and it does go. With 256MB of ram its prolly a dream on win98.. on NT 4.0... it was not so stable tho:(
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Let me toss out the obligatory media ploy stunt. This has hit all the techie news circles and then the non techies ones like wired. Heh good one he knew it was infeasible
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I am not quite sure how often/. syndicates news but its really rather trivial so I imagine its quite often.
So.. What makes the difference is how often the sites/. is syndicating from update their XML data. The RDF format files that carry the headlines. I think/. grabs them often enough.
Jeremy Go grab/code and see:0
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Sig has a VERY good point. 80% of guns are owned by 10% of americans.
Absorb that real quick
These people are NOT going to lose their guns, hence they are a very vocal group that uses their right to vote.
Not a lot of people do that.. Hence these people get listened to and we still have guns (thanks?) to them. I believe it is to late to take firearms from people but thats not my point.
Its small minorities with rather extreme views one way or another who are heard.
Jeremy
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You may laugh this off as excessive worrying, but this is a serious problem. I've overclocked a few chips, and they've all died pretty quickly -- and that was without static RAM. High-powered memory zapping around would kill the chip even more quickly. And what if that chip is powering some mission critical application like a space shuttle flight or an air traffic controller?
I believe he was being facetious if not its still funny:P moderate accordingly:P
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Why dont the people with a real message get moderated up? I always wonder why some silly stuff is modded at Score:4 and someone else with something toa ctually say is not
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Hmmn I was thinking that Microsoft was going to have a very difficult time enticing developers to the X-Box platform. Look at how much hype this thing has generated? Its got everyones wheels turning and there is enough obscurity (read:vaporware) to keep everyone dreaming in case they decide to can it or unleash something no one is really expecint to come from this project
Very impressive they have not really released much in the way of a press release or anything.. Heh I mean think about it from Microsoft's perspective.
I am a HUge software company with so much money its obscene, My goal? Make money for the stock holders, take over the world.
Well Think about it, software development its what they do no matter how good or bad we deem this aspect of their company its ALL they do is write freaking software and strong arm companies to play nice with them.
So lets move into the hardware world, lets use some of our resources and see how we do, if we play this right at worst we wont lose much money at best we have something that could be incredibly cool and can generate a lot of revenue.. And if you think about it your average console buyer is not going to give a rats arse about Microsoft or anything they do
DOes it have games? If so are the games good and priced competitively? If the answer is yes then who gives a rats ass if its a microsoft product the point is it just needs to provide you with entertainment. Now attach some of the benefits of working with a well known (liveable) architecture such as x86. Emulators software hey all the software the company freaking writes will run on this thing. Muahah.NET services? Oh yes you see this is really Microsofts steahlthy attempt at infiltrating peoples homes to do what Sunrays were going to do. However microsoft has a pretext for doing this right? anyways back to the game console aspect of this thing
It is gonna be good if the games run well, you have one consistent platform, highly tuned drivers it may be a bit kludgy but you have one target to hit. One dev kit to write your software with one set of known bugs and work arounds. Its pretty sound thinking its not a moving target, That is cool. Microsoft can ship this thing with a keyboard and do what Sun wishes it could do and offer its.NET services to simple users who just want stuff to wimply work. Microsoft can tune their software to work well with XBOX and not crash all the time
Think about everything microsoft can do if X-Box becomes widespread.. Its brilliant, Think of what anyone can do with more Wintel crap in peoples houses. Anyways its pretty kewl ill stop rambling I had way to many cool points and did not know where to put them
Jeremy
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Hmmn I am firmly convinced now moderation does not occur on a fair basis. I replied to this merely to see if someone would pay attention to what I was saying or mod me down for replying to an obivous and well thought comment. Oncethat/. mindset gets kicked in its hard to break tho
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They used a kind of conditional wording tho. "Often do not" That right there is the kicker. That means they can say well we said often not always or never.
Often is a lot harder to prove than always/never
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Okay I am a multi million dollar company, I can afford 300K / year for Insurance you better believe it this stuff HAS to work or we get sued to the bottom of the ocean.
Hmmn, Would I rather do things with insurance which does not circumvent the problem merely patches it up (Lazy non proactive approach)
Or should I hire a few REALLY skilled security people for that much every year? And take a proactive approach and have someone to hang when the system fails. I can make a point of failure.
It all depends on how much and this is all in theory, but hmmn?
Jeremy
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I am a fanatic for the Open *nix Os's but trashing linux here did you no good.
Lineo is like majorly scaled back.. Did you have an inkling of what these projects were even doing before you decided to trash the security/blah blah blah of a regular Linux system? No.. you didnt read..:( This post is not informative its.. WRONG
MS SQL 7.0 has a limit of right around 8K / Row. Heh, Ive written an entire insurance application handling just about any kind of real world non scientific data you can imagine.:P I think 8K / Row is totally sufficient. As long as you dont try to store images in your database or something crazy like that. Anyways..... Its pretty evident if you are going to be using some of the enterprise level features of an RDBMS Then MySQL is not it.
Aww man, Every time anything happens that/. can stick IP, patent, or copyright violation on a story they sure as heck do. I could go through the list of/. stories and like every 5th one would probaby have one of those in it. Its.. in a word getting old. Yes I know we need to be aware of the issues but come on folks:(
To make it worse this guys cell phone/pager goes off EVERY time this happens, hes on the phone talking to me like, Yeah weve had xx,xxx attempts on this machine and no ones gotten through (I could just envision the lil grin on his face) I was like hmmn yes I can see why as soon as someone port scans you rip out the cat5 cable.
I do a lot of mud hacking, I love muds. A friend of mines mud runs at xyz.com
It is a mud hosting service so as you can guess they have multiple muds running on their site. I downloaded nmap and was learning to use it. So I scanned 1-1024 ports first I think that is the default not sure.
Anyways I did it again and let it go 1-10000 to find most any mud on their, I can give a crap about any of their other services I think using exploits on peoples systems is just so lame but I digress from my story:).
He had port sentry setup and it detected nmap as a DoS attack from the type of packets it was using. Ugh I cant remember the word for them, Im losing it. Anyways Port sentry shut down their ROUTER!!!!
They emailed my ISP and my ISP shut down my account with them! I was livid.
No You dont have business port scanning but I mean come on!!SOOOOO
I log onto the net with another account and I send him my phone # and tell him to call me.
I have a little chat with him established my intentions and hes all talking if it happens again they are pressing charges because they have it set up so that it detects this as a DoS and just freaking locks downt he router and ALL their systems hardcore. I felt this was a bit paranoid but I was not certain of my rights and if I indeed was violating any laws, he believed I was. He was some major security buff who just happened to maintain this mud server.
Ahhhh. I just found the entire thing a bit hmmmn.. interesting. So he calls my ISP up says the issue is resolved and my account is restored.
Slashdot Mirror
Actually its in at least JavaScript 1.2 and its called the identity operator....
Basically it says that the variable you
have is a pointer to the original and not
just the contents are equal
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You know I have read a lot of your arguments and I am not very sure they are well founded at all.
I have looked a lot of GTK code.. and yeah GDK is a little X centric.. but not really. I mean your GOING to have a hard time getting other ports working PERIOD.
Hello you are porting an entire graphics library to a totally new operating system, you have to account for all the nuances(read:BUGS!!!) and flaws and benefits of doing graphics rendering on that operating system
Its not pretty doing that in the Win32API which I believe accounts for much of the untidy unstable stuff. I like GTK a lot and I think that a key to success is getting something that CAN run very fast and have direct access to hardware.. Ive used the Gimp in windows and.. it works rather well if you ask me
Ive done minor work even and was not disappointed with the gimp..
The point is it is getting more stable every day and it is really a nice toolkit with a damn good design. So what if the middle layer is tied to one Platform that IMO is the point.
Tune it up take advantage of the OS's features so that once you got the middle layer working Viola the apps are ALL there and running beautiful and fast as ever. Is that not the point of the middle layer of the GDK?
Jeremy
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I dont even care if those quotes are taken out of context from whatever they were written in that is funny as hell. :)
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A vegan will not consume any dairy products..
thats like a lacto-ovo vegetarian who eats dairy products.. I forget the precise terms.
But anyways
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could slashdot do this to trolls?
Jeremy
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I use Forte Community edition and quite honestly its a nice little IDE. its written in Java and its heavy weight to be sure but its still nice and it does go. With 256MB of ram its prolly a dream on win98.. on NT 4.0... it was not so stable tho :(
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Let me toss out the obligatory media ploy stunt. This has hit all the techie news circles and then the non techies ones like wired. Heh good one he knew it was infeasible
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I am not quite sure how often /. syndicates news but its really rather trivial so I imagine its quite often.
/. is syndicating from update their XML data. The RDF format files that carry the headlines. I think /. grabs them often enough.
/code and see :0
So.. What makes the difference is how often the sites
Jeremy
Go grab
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Sig has a VERY good point. 80% of guns are owned by 10% of americans.
Absorb that real quick
These people are NOT going to lose their guns, hence they are a very vocal group that uses their right to vote.
Not a lot of people do that.. Hence these people get listened to and we still have guns (thanks?) to them. I believe it is to late to take firearms from people but thats not my point.
Its small minorities with rather extreme views one way or another who are heard.
Jeremy
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ROFL
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You may laugh this off as excessive worrying, but this is a serious problem. I've overclocked a few chips, and they've all died pretty quickly -- and that was without static RAM. High-powered memory zapping around would kill the chip even more quickly. And what if that chip is powering some mission critical application like a space shuttle flight or an air traffic controller?
:P moderate accordingly :P
I believe he was being facetious if not its still funny
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Why dont the people with a real message get moderated up? I always wonder why some silly stuff is modded at Score:4 and someone else with something toa ctually say is not
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Hmmn I was thinking that Microsoft was going to have a very difficult time enticing developers to the X-Box platform. Look at how much hype this thing has generated? Its got everyones wheels turning and there is enough obscurity (read:vaporware) to keep everyone dreaming in case they decide to can it or unleash something no one is really expecint to come from this project
.NET services? Oh yes you see this is really Microsofts steahlthy attempt at infiltrating peoples homes to do what Sunrays were going to do. However microsoft has a pretext for doing this right? anyways back to the game console aspect of this thing
.NET services to simple users who just want stuff to wimply work. Microsoft can tune their software to work well with XBOX and not crash all the time
Very impressive they have not really released much in the way of a press release or anything.. Heh I mean think about it from Microsoft's perspective.
I am a HUge software company with so much money its obscene, My goal? Make money for the stock holders, take over the world.
Well Think about it, software development its what they do no matter how good or bad we deem this aspect of their company its ALL they do is write freaking software and strong arm companies to play nice with them.
So lets move into the hardware world, lets use some of our resources and see how we do, if we play this right at worst we wont lose much money at best we have something that could be incredibly cool and can generate a lot of revenue.. And if you think about it your average console buyer is not going to give a rats arse about Microsoft or anything they do
DOes it have games? If so are the games good and priced competitively? If the answer is yes then who gives a rats ass if its a microsoft product the point is it just needs to provide you with entertainment. Now attach some of the benefits of working with a well known (liveable) architecture such as x86. Emulators software hey all the software the company freaking writes will run on this thing. Muahah
It is gonna be good if the games run well, you have one consistent platform, highly tuned drivers it may be a bit kludgy but you have one target to hit. One dev kit to write your software with one set of known bugs and work arounds. Its pretty sound thinking its not a moving target, That is cool. Microsoft can ship this thing with a keyboard and do what Sun wishes it could do and offer its
Think about everything microsoft can do if X-Box becomes widespread.. Its brilliant, Think of what anyone can do with more Wintel crap in peoples houses. Anyways its pretty kewl ill stop rambling I had way to many cool points and did not know where to put them
Jeremy
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Hmmn I am firmly convinced now moderation does not occur on a fair basis. I replied to this merely to see if someone would pay attention to what I was saying or mod me down for replying to an obivous and well thought comment. Oncethat /. mindset gets kicked in its hard to break tho
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And of course, "good programmers will avoid those pitfalls." Uh huh. BTDT. "Good programmers don't need revision control." Heard that, too.
:)
Not being a masochist to your mind and being able to realize the utility of stuff IMO is what makes you a good programmer..
It makes you more effective and most people (programmers) are ONLY human so I totally agree with that statement
Jeremy
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Nice troll, I mean.. Trolling with a Score:5 you even had some partially supported ideas :P.
Anyways.. I could refute all of your claims etc but why its a troll
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They used a kind of conditional wording tho.
"Often do not"
That right there is the kicker. That means they can say well we said often not always or never.
Often is a lot harder to prove than always/never
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Okay I am a multi million dollar company, I can afford 300K / year for Insurance you better believe it this stuff HAS to work or we get sued to the bottom of the ocean.
Hmmn, Would I rather do things with insurance which does not circumvent the problem merely patches it up (Lazy non proactive approach)
Or should I hire a few REALLY skilled security people for that much every year? And take a proactive approach and have someone to hang when the system fails. I can make a point of failure.
It all depends on how much and this is all in theory, but hmmn?
Jeremy
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Go check out lineo.com or something PLEASE!!.
:( This post is not informative its.. WRONG
I am a fanatic for the Open *nix Os's but trashing linux here did you no good.
Lineo is like majorly scaled back.. Did you have an inkling of what these projects were even doing before you decided to trash the security/blah blah blah of a regular Linux system? No.. you didnt read..
Let me see.. Do I want plumbing or the internet.
/.... OF COURSE the internet is better. :-)
On one hand.. YOu have to go outside and take a crap in a hole in the ground. But ahh.. I can still read
MS SQL 7.0 has a limit of right around 8K / Row. Heh, Ive written an entire insurance application handling just about any kind of real world non scientific data you can imagine. :P I think 8K / Row is totally sufficient. As long as you dont try to store images in your database or something crazy like that. Anyways..... Its pretty evident if you are going to be using some of the enterprise level features of an RDBMS Then MySQL is not it.
Aww man, Every time anything happens that /. can stick IP, patent, or copyright violation on a story they sure as heck do. I could go through the list of /. stories and like every 5th one would probaby have one of those in it. Its.. in a word getting old. Yes I know we need to be aware of the issues but come on folks :(
SYN packets thats it! :)
He said I was tripping a SYN flood. And his network was locking itself down
To make it worse this guys cell phone/pager goes off EVERY time this happens, hes on the phone talking to me like, Yeah weve had xx,xxx attempts on this machine and no ones gotten through (I could just envision the lil grin on his face) I was like hmmn yes I can see why as soon as someone port scans you rip out the cat5 cable.
Heh, let me tell you my story about a portscan.
:).
I do a lot of mud hacking, I love muds. A friend of mines mud runs at xyz.com
It is a mud hosting service so as you can guess they have multiple muds running on their site. I downloaded nmap and was learning to use it. So I scanned 1-1024 ports first I think that is the default not sure.
Anyways I did it again and let it go 1-10000 to find most any mud on their, I can give a crap about any of their other services I think using exploits on peoples systems is just so lame but I digress from my story
He had port sentry setup and it detected nmap as a DoS attack from the type of packets it was using. Ugh I cant remember the word for them, Im losing it. Anyways Port sentry shut down their ROUTER!!!!
They emailed my ISP and my ISP shut down my account with them! I was livid.
No You dont have business port scanning but I mean come on!!SOOOOO
I log onto the net with another account and I send him my phone # and tell him to call me.
I have a little chat with him established my intentions and hes all talking if it happens again they are pressing charges because they have it set up so that it detects this as a DoS and just freaking locks downt he router and ALL their systems hardcore. I felt this was a bit paranoid but I was not certain of my rights and if I indeed was violating any laws, he believed I was. He was some major security buff who just happened to maintain this mud server.
Ahhhh. I just found the entire thing a bit hmmmn.. interesting. So he calls my ISP up says the issue is resolved and my account is restored.
Hmmmn?
Jeremy