I love linux. I love all of the things it can do and windows can't. I love saying linux. I love that knowing linux makes me look smart. However, linux is NOT an end-all tool for everything. Not everything can be done using it. It makes you look smart? Really.. most people just give me strange looks and classify me as odd. Like Li? liiinu? Linux? What is that...
And no Linux cannot do everything and some people still argue about just where Linux needs to be going.
However... as a serious digital media workstation I think some serious commercial support such as an App like Renderman would be a boon to linux(Random BSD Plug:And FreeBSD since it can emulate Linux;-). No your right I do not want everything running on Linux. But when it makes sense yeah I want it.
Partly because windows crashes, and linux drivers wouldn't allow me to get the most of the hardware. But more importantly, because some things work fine without them. Certain tools are used for certain jobs. Really? Linux and open source drivers tend to be MUCH better than the windows counter parts. If there is a Linux driver then there is a *GOOD* chance it is much better than a windows driver for the same hardware.
There are some areas this is not true and mainly I think. Sound and Video and this is rapidly changing. So that is no longer a good claim, maybe a couple of years ago yea I woulda said this is annoying. But now its quickly becoming another Linux Myth. Before anyone flames I know there are areas that need to be fixed here.. But overall its getting MUCH better.
I have actually tried this program now. It is called Broadcast 2000. it is more tailored for Video but it can do DVD-Playback. Edit multiple sound streams merge them and do a lot of REALLY neat stuff.
The interface is a bit kludgy but overall it is a very impressive application.
It is GPL'd and it "could" be better but it performs VERY good.
Okay all of this company buying just bothers the sh!t out of me. Okay.. If they were interested in the implementation I think if they threw some of that IPO cash at Chilli Soft they could have easily bought all the source and had rights to create their own version or pay Chilli to just develop it for them even.
Why snarf the entire company if you just need it for your applications.
I *CAN* understand but do you need that much steering and does the price advantage ever work out buying another company versus just paying them to develop software for you? Hmmn, I dont get it but at anyrate I hope this was not a wasteful move on Cobalt's part.
Okay if this thing is in the 200-300 Dollar range here are a few reasons *I* would buy one.
Proprietary disk formats? mmmn, nothing like reverse engineering it. And you know people will and I will help:-)
USB? Hack that to, I know this sounds lame but lets port a useful opearting system to it. Meaning a BSD or Linux since these are tools we have source code for:-)
Porting will probably be less of a task since we will have x86 compatible which means little to no porting for the processor arch this helps.
You get a Free OS Kernel on this thing and you can do whatever the heck you want with it. Ethernet? Cool, get a device driver working for it (I imagine MS is cheap and unless they are really stressing making reverse engineering difficult they will use a name brand nic with quality drivers out there already. to which we will most likely already have drivers for)
I dont play games much so I would not be buying one for games:-).
Reverse engineer the USB port's and how they communicate and you have access to a lot more stuff.
Another important factor to consider is how much on die integration all of this will have with the mobo. The more there is the harder it becomes to hack. but if you have say.. an open PCI slot.. the sky's the limit.
Granted its lame for gaming but they will be in a HIGHLY competitive market and if we can take advantage of this...:-)
Overall I agree with your point buying an X-Box is a bad idea over a PC however its wrong to assume it will not be useful in certain capacities.
I am sort of excited:p hehe I love new toys I really dont care if it is made by ms or anyone else. If I enjoy it I will buy it and waste away my days playing with it. I try and not let idealism get in the way of my enjoyment of life, its been rough enough without being an RMS and not using anything but Free software.(Note I know thats not politically correct.)
Alright so dont discourage them damnit. With maybe two weeks of saving I could afford 3 or 4 of these. Beowulf anyone? ROFL (Okay thats a lame troll:-)
I read some intruiging reviews about QIII and performance. Nvidia is seriously in bed with Intel as well.
The reviewr basically said he could not figure out why for any reason the PIII's of lower processing power were beating out higher powered athlons (incidentally the athlons and PIII were equal Mhz but the athlon isof course the quicker of the two.)
QIII Was running a good deal faster more than 5-10fps in some instances on the PIII's. The reason suggested was Invidia/Intel optimizations that intel made to compilers for them and the chips for them. Stuff they are not just going to give out. So I truly believe Nividia is slowly and quietly (to the masses) in bed with intel and microsoft and their regime. (It could be worse yes but it does not change the facts.)
The havoc Pennington book SUCKS to. I hate to say it but example code does not work, and the book is dry boring and it overall pissed me off. Just use the GTK tutorials/references and hack code youll learn more.
I never felt compelled to reply to Sig11 because everyone else flames him so well I never see the pointin being critical.
However that was rather lop sided and silly.
I have noticed many masters running aroundhere.
Katz is the master of Diction.
Sig11 master of... high moderation trolling
Yes thats right this was at best a troll so I have a suggestion
Signal 11 must be removed from/. because now any time he is seen it is a troll LOL
Seriously that was a bit of a troll Sig. You were looking for a response and you got it. And the guy who replied? He got modded up to for replying with that response you were searching for:-).
UNfortunately those would be the easy things and I have no experience with this book however there are plenty of ways to do sex scenes in a movie. Need someone who looks 15 but is 20? Not to big of a problem..
What is the big deal you never seen surgery or a decapitation in a movie. I seen it more than I really care to admit. Final destination showed an entire decapitation. It was only an R. You have a good bit of liberty with an R Rating as a director/producer.
Okay okay no VB bashing!! lol Kidding. Dont rag it to bad okay? I make good money and stay fed doin VB and Php *sniffle*. and no i dont think Recursion is bad.. in fact ive actually implmented a recursive function IN *gasp* VB:-)
I was quoting from a man page actually. rofl. DO NOT tell me you cant have multiple sockets on the same port. The dumbass was arguing with me on a MUD with 20 people online. ROFL. I was like and juse what dos setsockopt with SO_REUSEADDR do for you then my friend. I dont think I would have bothered if he was just doing it to annoy me but he was telling someone to write some code wrong. *mutters*. No I have read some utterly HORRIBLE books in my time. Altho NO laughing when I was 14 C for dummies was about all I could understand. lol. GAH that book was EVIL.
I have risen above void main:p In fact I know it serves it purpose to do your example code in a book and declare the main function as a void but come on you have a Ph.D and you cant just do int main() and return 0 at the end of your program? I never understood that and I argued with some people over it once. lol I won *flex*:p
That is honestly NOT cool. I know this is redundant and I know how easy it is to use Buzz words and use a little crafty diction to 'answer' someones question.
You just *CANT* do that if you want any kind of reputation. When im talkingw ith a client and he says, "Do you know how to do this" I will tell him. the TRUTH. If I have an idea and the little mice in my head start turning the wheels I will say, yeah I have good idea of how to accomplish that. Or no clue I can only give it my best and tell you the results. And some of the time my ideas are wrong and things are grossly more complex.
Is that my fault or his? It is *MY* fault for saying I could do it so I spend the time to learn it and do it. My fuck up im at least going to step up to the plate tell the customer its behind and work my ass off to learn and figure out how to do something.
Friends and family yeah propogate untruth to them. They are the people who run around raving (MHZ == ALL) because the guy down the street who was Microsoft certified told them so.
The point is be responsible and just be HONEST!! You are not impressing anyone in the long run.
I cant think of anything I hate more than people who will sit and argue with me or tell me im wrong when I am reading them a comment out of a Programming book and they say that they are right and I am wrong.
People who do this are evil I think. Not willing to admit they do not have a clue. It takes a big fella to admit where his faults are yeah. So.. It is in a joking manner you present this but it is a difficult and true thing that I deal with almost every day as I unlearn 10-20 myths to a client whose got a PC Support guy who is just someone who learned to install all their software.
Problem I can fix it. *reinstall windows*
*GAG*
It is not cool and frankly it offends me when people lie.
No, There is no sense in speaking anonymously when it defeats the purpose of my post.
I am not out to change the world.
I am not willing to do something illegal to prove to the world I believe that I am right.
True never is a strong word. At this point I truly believe I will never do something so it is a belief now but I am aware never and forever do not always work.
Call it cowardice, whatever you feel like calling it. I have more to lose at this point in my life than I will ever gain by being a hero to people. That is an assumptive statement and if it is false I just do not care, which is really the heart of the issue.
People need and depend on me. Life CAN and does change in a single day, for example the day my wife was killed.
I am not willing to lose again at this point. Take the meaning from your satirical signature about walking a mile in a man's shoes.
No, people are more willing to judge than actually discover who people really are so do not speak to me about a revolution I have had a few to many in my life.
I have a quantum CD evaporator. (Note use of quantum here because it just *has* to enahnce the coolness factor of whatever your talking about!) Alright im sitting there installing FreeBSD munching some Oreo's mudding and doing some C code for binary tree's thinking this is great!.
Then my CD player evolved without telling me. Suddenly the FreeBSD install stops and goes "I/O error, there was an error parsing some binary information" or something like that. So I scratch my head and pop the CD open and low.. the CD has disappeared. Im like hmmn maybe I took it and did something with it. So I gather up my posse (my cat's) and send them on a CD hunt. No such luck so I break out my devolution tools (screw driver) and begin to de evolve my cd drive,after a 2 hour unsucesful CD hunt you tend to de devolve with prejduice.
So I peek at my highly demolished CD drive and there it is! The Golden FreeBSD CD. I gently lift it out and with the casing off of my CD drive I pop it back in.. My cat seemed to find it highly entertaining to SLAP a cd spinning in a 40X drive. *mutters* Anyways its not really a quantum CD evaporator thingie but it was damn frustrating!:p
From the Interview from the president of Loki: Seriously, after lots of hard work things are really coming together for Linux gaming. Take, for example, Heavy Gear II, which has just gone gold. We ported the Direct3D rendering to OpenGL. We ported the inline assembly. We created a standard way to play 3D positional sound, OpenAL. We added joystick, gamepad and mouse wheel support. We hacked gcc, gdb, glibc, Mesa and Glide. If we can pull off a game like this, I figure we can pull off just about anything.
No I am not just jumping on the praise and promote all things linux Bandwagon. The efforts they had to make to port a game that was DirectX is impressive!!
I love how in one sentence he just says ported Direct3d Rendering to OpenGL. Wait a minute here? Heh Heh.
Okay what do ya do? Need 3D positional Sound System? Code one and release it. Not bad not bad.
Need Mouse wheel support? Hack it!!
Alright it just seems they have a team of rather talented programmers over there and that they are doin a good job. And on technical merit as a company they impress me.
I must say not many companies impress me now a days.:-)
I do not know what you think BSD but I think Server and damn good server.
Now you tell me. FreeBSD seems to have rather good driver support.... Does that look like an acceptable amount of drivers to you? I think the Driver support in FreeBSD has picked up a LOT lately. Anyhow other BSD's can hacn n port. I rather enjoyed reading that big list of NIC's that are supported.
I dont know if I made this clear but anything I do that is intended for the internet I make darn sure is cross-browser compatible. the easiest way to do that is avoid the kludge of the two DOM's etc:p. No Jscript/ECMAScript/VBcript. Server Side Dynamic stuff or bust I have been burned by trying to do flashy neat stuff for IE/NS/BrowserXyz:-)
No actually microsoft has not molested Kerebos. They are still using compliant Kerebos! They just are using parts that are in the spec that no one else has used so it actually still plays nicely with everyone else.
Heh Heh, Yes you can develop cross platform. Yes you can even do so quickly and at an equal pace to what you can do with a specific browser. I also will not ever do anything that will not at least work in Netscape. But that does not change the facts. Facts are facts and netscape lacks support that IE has. Most of my scripts tend to be for eye candy to make things purdy... face it it takes good looking stuff to sell:p or at worst some WDDX stuff which I use Java(ECMA)script for.
I already do things as server centricly as possible but I do not see the point in torturing myself to write Javascript when yes I can do so and I am competent and capable of writing the code. But let me ask why?
I have developed 3 or 4 very big applications and every time the people I have been developing for were more than willing to allow IE to be the client. I said Netscape will be functional which it always will be.
What it amounts to is im not going to spend the time to do cross platform stuff for internal-only applications that only NEED to look good for one browser. So I pick the better browser.
I am doing some contract work just developing an intranet. FreeBSD/Apache/Php4/PostgreSQL For the server platform. (I need triggers MySQL people!)
My heartache comes in when I have to select a client. You see there is not much of a choice honestly. I can pick Netscape 4.x Which has somewhat lacking support for a LOT of goodies I like to use. Just standard CSS/DHTML/HTML4.0 that it cant even handle. And on the scripting side VBScript seems to play the nicest out of all scripting languages. It stops me from having to change coding mindframes when im doing VB/Delphi work.
The point is If you pick something IE4 is the way to go. Ive encountered some *nasty* problems with IE 4 and 5 and some Nasty problems with NS 4.x. Im at a rock and a hard place because they will be using this app for the next 4 to 5 years locking them into an investment with IE. What can I do I need to make money and im not gonna sacrifice some useability features AND time coding to make it work with Netscape I refuse.
I think this is happening a whole lot in RAD application development projects. It also locks people inevtiably into a windows platform when you throw ActiveX and stuff closer tied to windows.
I think I would jump on the Mozilla 6 band wagon Immediately if they could really put up some stable competition. But Ive used it and its crap. I tried to moderate on/. and it just died from all the select objects that loaded on the page.
*sigh* Im watching some fairly good dreams become just that,dreams as Mozilla desperately hacks a last attempt at a good browser?
The problem with free linux machines on the net (as has been pointed out) is to avoid having them used for DoS attacks, spam, etc.
How are these any different from something like shellyeah.org or VERY low cost shell's that you can afford potentially a high number of and obtain a lot of bandwidth for relatively little cash.
Slashdot Mirror
I love linux. I love all of the things it can do and windows can't. I love saying linux. I love that knowing linux makes me look smart. However, linux is NOT an end-all tool for everything. Not everything can be done using it.
;-). No your right I do not want everything running on Linux. But when it makes sense yeah I want it.
It makes you look smart? Really.. most people just give me strange looks and classify me as odd. Like Li? liiinu? Linux? What is that...
And no Linux cannot do everything and some people still argue about just where Linux needs to be going.
However... as a serious digital media workstation I think some serious commercial support such as an App like Renderman would be a boon to linux(Random BSD Plug:And FreeBSD since it can emulate Linux
Partly because windows crashes, and linux drivers wouldn't allow me to get the most of the hardware. But more importantly, because some things work fine without them. Certain tools are used for certain jobs.
Really? Linux and open source drivers tend to be MUCH better than the windows counter parts. If there is a Linux driver then there is a *GOOD* chance it is much better than a windows driver for the same hardware.
There are some areas this is not true and mainly I think. Sound and Video and this is rapidly changing. So that is no longer a good claim, maybe a couple of years ago yea I woulda said this is annoying. But now its quickly becoming another Linux Myth. Before anyone flames I know there are areas that need to be fixed here.. But overall its getting MUCH better.
Jeremy
I have actually tried this program now. It is called Broadcast 2000. it is more tailored for Video but it can do DVD-Playback. Edit multiple sound streams merge them and do a lot of REALLY neat stuff.
:-)
The interface is a bit kludgy but overall it is a very impressive application.
It is GPL'd and it "could" be better but it performs VERY good.
Here is the linkBroadcast 2000
Give it a try?
Jeremy
Okay all of this company buying just bothers the sh!t out of me. Okay.. If they were interested in the implementation I think if they threw some of that IPO cash at Chilli Soft they could have easily bought all the source and had rights to create their own version or pay Chilli to just develop it for them even.
Why snarf the entire company if you just need it for your applications.
I *CAN* understand but do you need that much steering and does the price advantage ever work out buying another company versus just paying them to develop software for you? Hmmn, I dont get it but at anyrate I hope this was not a wasteful move on Cobalt's part.
Jeremy
Okay if this thing is in the 200-300 Dollar range here are a few reasons *I* would buy one.
:-)
:-)
:-).
:-)
:p hehe I love new toys I really dont care if it is made by ms or anyone else. If I enjoy it I will buy it and waste away my days playing with it. I try and not let idealism get in the way of my enjoyment of life, its been rough enough without being an RMS and not using anything but Free software.(Note I know thats not politically correct.)
:-)
Proprietary disk formats? mmmn, nothing like reverse engineering it. And you know people will and I will help
USB? Hack that to, I know this sounds lame but lets port a useful opearting system to it. Meaning a BSD or Linux since these are tools we have source code for
Porting will probably be less of a task since we will have x86 compatible which means little to no porting for the processor arch this helps.
You get a Free OS Kernel on this thing and you can do whatever the heck you want with it. Ethernet? Cool, get a device driver working for it (I imagine MS is cheap and unless they are really stressing making reverse engineering difficult they will use a name brand nic with quality drivers out there already. to which we will most likely already have drivers for)
I dont play games much so I would not be buying one for games
Reverse engineer the USB port's and how they communicate and you have access to a lot more stuff.
Another important factor to consider is how much on die integration all of this will have with the mobo. The more there is the harder it becomes to hack. but if you have say.. an open PCI slot.. the sky's the limit.
Granted its lame for gaming but they will be in a HIGHLY competitive market and if we can take advantage of this...
Overall I agree with your point buying an X-Box is a bad idea over a PC however its wrong to assume it will not be useful in certain capacities.
I am sort of excited
Alright so dont discourage them damnit. With maybe two weeks of saving I could afford 3 or 4 of these. Beowulf anyone? ROFL (Okay thats a lame troll
Jeremy
I read some intruiging reviews about QIII and performance. Nvidia is seriously in bed with Intel as well.
The reviewr basically said he could not figure out why for any reason the PIII's of lower processing power were beating out higher powered athlons (incidentally the athlons and PIII were equal Mhz but the athlon isof course the quicker of the two.)
QIII Was running a good deal faster more than 5-10fps in some instances on the PIII's. The reason suggested was Invidia/Intel optimizations that intel made to compilers for them and the chips for them. Stuff they are not just going to give out. So I truly believe Nividia is slowly and quietly (to the masses) in bed with intel and microsoft and their regime. (It could be worse yes but it does not change the facts.)
The havoc Pennington book SUCKS to. I hate to say it but example code does not work, and the book is dry boring and it overall pissed me off. Just use the GTK tutorials/references and hack code youll learn more.
I never felt compelled to reply to Sig11 because everyone else flames him so well I never see the pointin being critical.
/. because now any time he is seen it is a troll LOL
:-).
However that was rather lop sided and silly.
I have noticed many masters running aroundhere.
Katz is the master of Diction.
Sig11 master of... high moderation trolling
Yes thats right this was at best a troll so I have a suggestion
Signal 11 must be removed from
Seriously that was a bit of a troll Sig. You were looking for a response and you got it. And the guy who replied? He got modded up to for replying with that response you were searching for
Jeremy
UNfortunately those would be the easy things and I have no experience with this book however there are plenty of ways to do sex scenes in a movie. Need someone who looks 15 but is 20? Not to big of a problem..
What is the big deal you never seen surgery or a decapitation in a movie. I seen it more than I really care to admit. Final destination showed an entire decapitation. It was only an R. You have a good bit of liberty with an R Rating as a director/producer.
Jeremy
Okay okay no VB bashing!! lol Kidding. Dont rag it to bad okay? I make good money and stay fed doin VB and Php *sniffle*. and no i dont think Recursion is bad.. in fact ive actually implmented a recursive function IN *gasp* VB :-)
Jeremy
I was quoting from a man page actually. rofl. DO NOT tell me you cant have multiple sockets on the same port. The dumbass was arguing with me on a MUD with 20 people online. ROFL. I was like and juse what dos setsockopt with SO_REUSEADDR do for you then my friend. I dont think I would have bothered if he was just doing it to annoy me but he was telling someone to write some code wrong. *mutters*. No I have read some utterly HORRIBLE books in my time. Altho NO laughing when I was 14 C for dummies was about all I could understand. lol. GAH that book was EVIL.
:p In fact I know it serves it purpose to do your example code in a book and declare the main function as a void but come on you have a Ph.D and you cant just do int main() and return 0 at the end of your program? I never understood that and I argued with some people over it once. lol I won *flex* :p
I have risen above void main
Jeremy
That is honestly NOT cool. I know this is redundant and I know how easy it is to use Buzz words and use a little crafty diction to 'answer' someones question.
You just *CANT* do that if you want any kind of reputation. When im talkingw ith a client and he says, "Do you know how to do this" I will tell him. the TRUTH. If I have an idea and the little mice in my head start turning the wheels I will say, yeah I have good idea of how to accomplish that. Or no clue I can only give it my best and tell you the results. And some of the time my ideas are wrong and things are grossly more complex.
Is that my fault or his? It is *MY* fault for saying I could do it so I spend the time to learn it and do it. My fuck up im at least going to step up to the plate tell the customer its behind and work my ass off to learn and figure out how to do something.
Friends and family yeah propogate untruth to them. They are the people who run around raving (MHZ == ALL) because the guy down the street who was Microsoft certified told them so.
The point is be responsible and just be HONEST!! You are not impressing anyone in the long run.
I cant think of anything I hate more than people who will sit and argue with me or tell me im wrong when I am reading them a comment out of a Programming book and they say that they are right and I am wrong.
People who do this are evil I think. Not willing to admit they do not have a clue. It takes a big fella to admit where his faults are yeah. So.. It is in a joking manner you present this but it is a difficult and true thing that I deal with almost every day as I unlearn 10-20 myths to a client whose got a PC Support guy who is just someone who learned to install all their software.
Problem I can fix it. *reinstall windows*
*GAG*
It is not cool and frankly it offends me when people lie.
Jeremy
No, There is no sense in speaking anonymously when it defeats the purpose of my post.
I am not out to change the world.
I am not willing to do something illegal to prove to the world I believe that I am right.
True never is a strong word. At this point I truly believe I will never do something so it is a belief now but I am aware never and forever do not always work.
Call it cowardice, whatever you feel like calling it. I have more to lose at this point in my life than I will ever gain by being a hero to people. That is an assumptive statement and if it is false I just do not care, which is really the heart of the issue.
People need and depend on me. Life CAN and does change in a single day, for example the day my wife was killed.
I am not willing to lose again at this point. Take the meaning from your satirical signature about walking a mile in a man's shoes.
No, people are more willing to judge than actually discover who people really are so do not speak to me about a revolution I have had a few to many in my life.
Jeremy
Okay, Speaking from a totally legal stand point.
Its been proven illegal in a court of law
Therefore you are taking the law into your own hands so I admire you but will never do the same.
Jeremy
I have a quantum CD evaporator. (Note use of quantum here because it just *has* to enahnce the coolness factor of whatever your talking about!) Alright im sitting there installing FreeBSD munching some Oreo's mudding and doing some C code for binary tree's thinking this is great!.
,after a 2 hour unsucesful CD hunt you tend to de devolve with prejduice.
:p
Then my CD player evolved without telling me. Suddenly the FreeBSD install stops and goes "I/O error, there was an error parsing some binary information" or something like that. So I scratch my head and pop the CD open and low.. the CD has disappeared. Im like hmmn maybe I took it and did something with it. So I gather up my posse (my cat's) and send them on a CD hunt. No such luck so I break out my devolution tools (screw driver) and begin to de evolve my cd drive
So I peek at my highly demolished CD drive and there it is! The Golden FreeBSD CD. I gently lift it out and with the casing off of my CD drive I pop it back in.. My cat seemed to find it highly entertaining to SLAP a cd spinning in a 40X drive. *mutters* Anyways its not really a quantum CD evaporator thingie but it was damn frustrating!
I will be dead before it matters. So? Why bother.
Jeremy
Whats a Micro Kernel as opposed to a 'monolithic kernel?'
From the Interview from the president of Loki:
:-)
Seriously, after lots of hard work things are really coming together for Linux gaming. Take, for example, Heavy Gear II, which has just gone gold. We ported the Direct3D rendering to OpenGL. We ported the inline assembly. We created a standard way to play 3D positional sound, OpenAL. We added joystick, gamepad and mouse wheel support. We hacked gcc, gdb, glibc, Mesa and Glide. If we can pull off a game like this, I figure we can pull off just about anything.
No I am not just jumping on the praise and promote all things linux Bandwagon. The efforts they had to make to port a game that was DirectX is impressive!!
I love how in one sentence he just says ported Direct3d Rendering to OpenGL. Wait a minute here? Heh Heh.
Okay what do ya do? Need 3D positional Sound System? Code one and release it. Not bad not bad.
Need Mouse wheel support? Hack it!!
Alright it just seems they have a team of rather talented programmers over there and that they are doin a good job. And on technical merit as a company they impress me.
I must say not many companies impress me now a days.
Jeremy
Well Mr Coward I shall bite.
I do not know what you think BSD but I think Server and damn good server.
Now you tell me. FreeBSD seems to have rather good driver support.... Does that look like an acceptable amount of drivers to you? I think the Driver support in FreeBSD has picked up a LOT lately. Anyhow other BSD's can hacn n port. I rather enjoyed reading that big list of NIC's that are supported.
Hmmn anyhow.
If you dont believe me I cant stand the purdies just go to my website lol. About as plain as they come :-)
I dont know if I made this clear but anything I do that is intended for the internet I make darn sure is cross-browser compatible. the easiest way to do that is avoid the kludge of the two DOM's etc :p. No Jscript/ECMAScript/VBcript. Server Side Dynamic stuff or bust I have been burned by trying to do flashy neat stuff for IE/NS/BrowserXyz :-)
No actually microsoft has not molested Kerebos. They are still using compliant Kerebos! They just are using parts that are in the spec that no one else has used so it actually still plays nicely with everyone else.
Heh Heh, Yes you can develop cross platform. Yes you can even do so quickly and at an equal pace to what you can do with a specific browser. I also will not ever do anything that will not at least work in Netscape. But that does not change the facts. Facts are facts and netscape lacks support that IE has. Most of my scripts tend to be for eye candy to make things purdy... face it it takes good looking stuff to sell :p or at worst some WDDX stuff which I use Java(ECMA)script for.
I already do things as server centricly as possible but I do not see the point in torturing myself to write Javascript when yes I can do so and I am competent and capable of writing the code. But let me ask why?
I have developed 3 or 4 very big applications and every time the people I have been developing for were more than willing to allow IE to be the client. I said Netscape will be functional which it always will be.
What it amounts to is im not going to spend the time to do cross platform stuff for internal-only applications that only NEED to look good for one browser. So I pick the better browser.
:-( This hurts.
/. and it just died from all the select objects that loaded on the page.
,dreams as Mozilla desperately hacks a last attempt at a good browser?
I am doing some contract work just developing an intranet. FreeBSD/Apache/Php4/PostgreSQL For the server platform. (I need triggers MySQL people!)
My heartache comes in when I have to select a client. You see there is not much of a choice honestly. I can pick Netscape 4.x Which has somewhat lacking support for a LOT of goodies I like to use. Just standard CSS/DHTML/HTML4.0 that it cant even handle. And on the scripting side VBScript seems to play the nicest out of all scripting languages. It stops me from having to change coding mindframes when im doing VB/Delphi work.
The point is If you pick something IE4 is the way to go. Ive encountered some *nasty* problems with IE 4 and 5 and some Nasty problems with NS 4.x. Im at a rock and a hard place because they will be using this app for the next 4 to 5 years locking them into an investment with IE. What can I do I need to make money and im not gonna sacrifice some useability features AND time coding to make it work with Netscape I refuse.
I think this is happening a whole lot in RAD application development projects. It also locks people inevtiably into a windows platform when you throw ActiveX and stuff closer tied to windows.
I think I would jump on the Mozilla 6 band wagon Immediately if they could really put up some stable competition. But Ive used it and its crap. I tried to moderate on
*sigh* Im watching some fairly good dreams become just that
Jeremy
lol well then im very glad I did not read the article my post may have become a full blown rant.
The problem with free linux machines on the net (as has been pointed out) is to avoid having them used for DoS attacks, spam, etc.
How are these any different from something like shellyeah.org or VERY low cost shell's that you can afford potentially a high number of and obtain a lot of bandwidth for relatively little cash.