Most of what ray tracing would give us in games could be used to make games look much better from different aspects. Did you know that most high quality CG isn't done with much ray tracing? Final Fantasy all the way back to toy story, and everything from Terminator 2 to Lord of The Rings really don't owe much of their quality to ray tracing (Toy Story-A bug's life basically used no ray tracing at all). High quality displacement / normal mapping , high quality shadow maps, good looking motion blur, and high quality texture filtering with high resolution textures, and detailed geometry make up the vast majority of the visual quality. From here on out however, the budget of a game with determine how good it looks, because the artwork will have way more impact than the power underneath.
They will all be playing the same game eventually, and that game is stream processing. Generalized stream processing using 100's of cores doing graphics, video, physics, and probably other applications. It is already happening, although Nvidia is a pretty undisputed champion at the moment. AMD owns ATI, Intel is working on their 80 core stream processing procs, IBM has the Cell, and Nvidia has their cards (128 'shader' units on the 8800 GTX). It is all converging very quickly into the next important aspect of hardware. So basically Intel intends to put in GPUs or something that can be used as a GPU if needed from here on out. In 4 years we will be counting stream units along with the number of general processing cores that we are counting now.
A big part of the reason for the delay was that the cell was supposed to be a jack of all trades stream processor and handle the graphics too. This technique is probably too ahead of it's time and didn't happen, making the machine, late, unpolished and more expensive.
To add to that there was a big quantifiable difference in quality with different systems back then. Mostly due to more colors and somewhat to the size of the sprites that could be used. Now there is not a clear divider over which one looks better, not to mention other factors like design, online play, etc,
Dylan Jobe is the reason the project went down, Dylan Jobe is the reason the project wasted millions over the course of 5 years. He is giving interviews after he has been demoted severly because of his complete failure as a producer.
To add to that, Sony "finished" their firmware only two or three weeks before the PS3 release. They changed it non-stop and they keep changing it. Imagine working on a platform that has bare bones development tools and everything is changing out from under you. Now throw Dylan Jobe into the mix and you have failure despite a hugely talented team.
Could it be that Sony may have a format that succeeds and a console that fails? And why do I suddenly have a goatee? And that shadow looks like the silhouette of a pig.
1 GPU != 1 Core The latest Nvidia GPUs actually have 128 cores/shader units, and have many more transistors than the a cpu. Also Intel Quad Cores are actually 2 dual core procs next to each other.
That is exactly the point. If the shot, and the movie in general are a story told honestly from the director/writer's standpoint, what more can you do? Nothing will ring true to everyone, and it doesn't matter how the images are created, only that they are honest coming from the storyteller.
I agree that the entire development process is the big picture. I think D needs an installer that takes care of the compiler, ide, and creates a templated project for you so that there is no barrier to getting a problem to work. Make no mistake that D is good technology, though I agree that this is where effort needs to be put right now.
D is garbage collected, has no vm, enables access to assembly language, access to direct memory management, and has trivial access to C libraries.
Those techniques are definitely good if they work for what you are doing, and believe me I have wanted them to work for me, but the reality is that D enables things that those approaches don't have while retaining the ability to work and not worry about the language getting in your way.
A good language strives to find a few constructs that solve multiple problems.
D does this. You are looking past the dozens of examples where D has cleaned up problems that have been plaguing programmers for years to grasp at a chance to make a piece of code as messy as possible. Maybe you are comfortable working with C/C++ and don't want to deal with another language. I am not comfortable dealing with all the fucked up C and C++ out there. I have worked with D and it is exciting and refreshing. It is much cleaner and you either know it already or need to look harder.
This strikes me as the thoughts of someone who hasn't given D a good look. I have been using it recently and it is phenomenal. It is a breath of fresh air. It is not that it has many of these features over C/C++, it is that it cleans out the enormous amounts of headache inducing things about these languages while retaining what Java/C# lose. Native code speeds. No VM. Trivial Integration with C.
Exactly, because a console doesn't succeed by it's average score, it succeeds by the number of really good games that are out for it. The PS2 isn't selling because there are 1000's of mediocre games, it is selling because there are dozens of great ones. The 360 is leading the way in the number of games people buy for the next gen. If the library was more diverse and the games were exclusive, it would probably be doing better than it already is.
I have hung out with friends lots of times watching videos. Instead of watching TV or a movie, there is a break after every video, and the video can be played again, so we end up talking lots more. I have also sat down with friends to watch TV or movies on my computer screen, because I have a couch in front of it. A lot of it depends on interface. TV's have couches in front of them and computers don't, or people don't have computers hooked up to their TV's, but these things are changing.
64bit linux isn't really a big deal at the moment, shake is hands down the best compositing software out there, and linux is what almost every large animation or visual effects studio uses.
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Most of what ray tracing would give us in games could be used to make games look much better from different aspects. Did you know that most high quality CG isn't done with much ray tracing? Final Fantasy all the way back to toy story, and everything from Terminator 2 to Lord of The Rings really don't owe much of their quality to ray tracing (Toy Story-A bug's life basically used no ray tracing at all). High quality displacement / normal mapping , high quality shadow maps, good looking motion blur, and high quality texture filtering with high resolution textures, and detailed geometry make up the vast majority of the visual quality. From here on out however, the budget of a game with determine how good it looks, because the artwork will have way more impact than the power underneath.
They will all be playing the same game eventually, and that game is stream processing. Generalized stream processing using 100's of cores doing graphics, video, physics, and probably other applications. It is already happening, although Nvidia is a pretty undisputed champion at the moment. AMD owns ATI, Intel is working on their 80 core stream processing procs, IBM has the Cell, and Nvidia has their cards (128 'shader' units on the 8800 GTX). It is all converging very quickly into the next important aspect of hardware. So basically Intel intends to put in GPUs or something that can be used as a GPU if needed from here on out. In 4 years we will be counting stream units along with the number of general processing cores that we are counting now.
A big part of the reason for the delay was that the cell was supposed to be a jack of all trades stream processor and handle the graphics too. This technique is probably too ahead of it's time and didn't happen, making the machine, late, unpolished and more expensive.
I am trying to solve this problem actually, check my signature.
Myself and all my friends. But sometimes I maximize the window.
Linux and Monarch sounds like a perfect MS replacement.
This quote sounds like a cliche template replacement.
To add to that there was a big quantifiable difference in quality with different systems back then. Mostly due to more colors and somewhat to the size of the sprites that could be used. Now there is not a clear divider over which one looks better, not to mention other factors like design, online play, etc,
What is an X-FI? I didn't realize there was anything out faster than dual 8800 GTXs.
Dylan Jobe is the reason the project went down, Dylan Jobe is the reason the project wasted millions over the course of 5 years. He is giving interviews after he has been demoted severly because of his complete failure as a producer.
To add to that, Sony "finished" their firmware only two or three weeks before the PS3 release. They changed it non-stop and they keep changing it. Imagine working on a platform that has bare bones development tools and everything is changing out from under you. Now throw Dylan Jobe into the mix and you have failure despite a hugely talented team.
But she does know the name, which is something
Could it be that Sony may have a format that succeeds and a console that fails? And why do I suddenly have a goatee? And that shadow looks like the silhouette of a pig.
Customers? Pirates? What's the difference?
What you like and want, may not be what everyone else likes or wants.
1 GPU != 1 Core
The latest Nvidia GPUs actually have 128 cores/shader units, and have many more transistors than the a cpu. Also Intel Quad Cores are actually 2 dual core procs next to each other.
That is exactly the point. If the shot, and the movie in general are a story told honestly from the director/writer's standpoint, what more can you do? Nothing will ring true to everyone, and it doesn't matter how the images are created, only that they are honest coming from the storyteller.
Because making a CG tear and a CG person are on very different difficulty scales.
I agree that the entire development process is the big picture. I think D needs an installer that takes care of the compiler, ide, and creates a templated project for you so that there is no barrier to getting a problem to work. Make no mistake that D is good technology, though I agree that this is where effort needs to be put right now.
D is garbage collected, has no vm, enables access to assembly language, access to direct memory management, and has trivial access to C libraries.
Those techniques are definitely good if they work for what you are doing, and believe me I have wanted them to work for me, but the reality is that D enables things that those approaches don't have while retaining the ability to work and not worry about the language getting in your way.
A good language strives to find a few constructs that solve multiple problems.
D does this. You are looking past the dozens of examples where D has cleaned up problems that have been plaguing programmers for years to grasp at a chance to make a piece of code as messy as possible. Maybe you are comfortable working with C/C++ and don't want to deal with another language. I am not comfortable dealing with all the fucked up C and C++ out there. I have worked with D and it is exciting and refreshing. It is much cleaner and you either know it already or need to look harder.
This strikes me as the thoughts of someone who hasn't given D a good look. I have been using it recently and it is phenomenal. It is a breath of fresh air. It is not that it has many of these features over C/C++, it is that it cleans out the enormous amounts of headache inducing things about these languages while retaining what Java/C# lose. Native code speeds. No VM. Trivial Integration with C.
Exactly, because a console doesn't succeed by it's average score, it succeeds by the number of really good games that are out for it. The PS2 isn't selling because there are 1000's of mediocre games, it is selling because there are dozens of great ones. The 360 is leading the way in the number of games people buy for the next gen. If the library was more diverse and the games were exclusive, it would probably be doing better than it already is.
I have hung out with friends lots of times watching videos. Instead of watching TV or a movie, there is a break after every video, and the video can be played again, so we end up talking lots more. I have also sat down with friends to watch TV or movies on my computer screen, because I have a couch in front of it. A lot of it depends on interface. TV's have couches in front of them and computers don't, or people don't have computers hooked up to their TV's, but these things are changing.
It's called OpenGL 2.0 and it rocks pretty hard.
Because in 2 years the dual layer disks will cost 50 cents a piece which will mean you can backup a terabyte for $10 and give it to a friend.
64bit linux isn't really a big deal at the moment, shake is hands down the best compositing software out there, and linux is what almost every large animation or visual effects studio uses.