I see this as the same problem the guys that want to do RT-Linux or micro-Linux. Why not have someone step up to the plate and say "Here is
BigIron Linux! We will manage it and maintain it. Send us your patches
I agree except that I think Linus and the Kernal team should manage different types of Kernal. That way, it's still Linux rather than SGIs or Suns or IBMs or whoevers flavour of Linux.
As I understand it, upwards Scalability on Linux is a major problem - which is why Solaris et al are still more popular for true Enterprise class applications.
The more I think about it and the more Linux distributions I try, the more convinced I become that one size does not fit all.
Linux as a workstation is is big and clunky. Linux as a datacenter server isn't scaleable enough. Linux on handhelds and wireless devices isn't as efficient Operating Systems build specifically for that purpose.
As it stands, Linux is great for web, file and print serving - which is what its mostly used for.
X11 creates a massive overhead for desktop users and the kernal doesn't scale to so-called Big Iron.
As an aside, I've tried both BeOS and the 1.44MB floppy version of QNX and am convinced that those scale downwards to handheld and wireless devices.
I'm not so sure of Linux in this regard, especially Linux with X11 and at least 4 different graphic toolkits (GRK, QT, FTLK, Fox etc).
I think it's time that Linus et al accept patches which do fork the kernal for so-called Big Iron and also for handheld/wireless devices creating three kernal streams.
It has to happen eventually and at least if Linus takes the initiative, the community will contain and control the changes. It will still be Linux, the brand will be strengthend rather than weakened.
I think this is really necessary if Linux is to achieve the stated aim of "World Domination"
"That was a wowser to Isiaiah, who was amazed "...that the people asking about Linux here are suits, not techies" C'mon wake up people (and smell the coffee)
want everything spoon feed to me and don't want to learn or think on my own. Hmmmm....and when I have a stack of work to get through I don't want to think about how to do a task - I just want to be able to do it.
Any development of a component model for Unix should be project/desktop/Window manager agnostic and independent.
COM, CORBA and EJBs are not soley pitched at GUI apps, so it's a bit irresponsible to design a component model which will only function with two graphical environments.
Also, what shouldn't be happening is that KDE just adopts BONOBO wholesale - simply because the KDE team have already dropped CORBA from KParts. Both projects (and other interested parties) should work towards a scaleable, lightweight manageable and truly independent framework.
Having said that, this is a step in the right direction.
The whole point of KParts/DCOP is that Corba generally and Bonobo specifically was too heavy for desktop apps. See post to LinuxToday from Mosfet on why this is a fake
It define a model to create server-side components. It is closely related to the Enterprise JavaBean component model. It add multi-language support and other stuff to the EJB model. Yes, so what it's doing is the equivalent of MTS in the Windows world - providing a container for shareable components which expose interfaces. There's nothing to stop someone from creating another layer to sit on top of this in the way that ActiveX components have visual stuff on top of COM layers. So, yeah, I agree with your last line...However it could be used for the underlying processing a visual component need and something else would be responsible for the actuel rendering. Bottom line is that Gnome or KDE, it's all coming together very nicely for Unix in general and Linux in particular.
As a righteous, upstanding member of my community, this is an infringement of my humanist righteous rights. I should like to plead the first amendment...but wait....we don't have amendments in the UK....therefore, I should like to plead temporary insanity instead (officer).
Yes, but the point is that it's optimised for low bandwith connections, isn't it? If I can achieve in excess of 70Kbps on a permenenet connection, all I need is a larger screen to handle the bitmaps and other bandwidth intensive data, so why shouldn't I stick with the HTML/HTTP/WWW/TCP/IP stack in preference to WAP? Why buy into this concept of these parallel websites (WML and HTML)?
The point is that a company this big will have too much power and control. This is BAD in the respective industries that they control.
Hmmm....yes, more power = greater control, certainly, but how large is the "internet" market? What defines it? Who are the consumers? In conventional media, at least one of the barriers to entry is the limited availability of channels (be it literally televisual channels, radio frequencies, or print media sales channels). How many "channels" to consumers are there on the "internet"? How many ways of reaching consumers? Can a single corporate entity become large enough to assert control over all those channels?
I say "no" it can't! Especially in a new market place which the corporate doesn't understand. They may well define their own space and assert control over that, but I think it will be difficult to define and control an entire means of communication.
I I remember my Economics studies aright, there isn't a capatalist country in the world. Pure capatalism is the abscence of Government intervention in markets - that means, no regulation, no grants, no intervention of any kind. Supply and Demand set prices and determine availability of utility. Obviously, this state of affairs doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
But if XML were used as a standard file format for the GUI tools, you wouldn't need to understand it. It would be commonly transferrable across applications. Imagine that; inetd.conf compatability with MS-Word2001.
Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no... I hated NeXTStep with a passion, and the reason I hated it was that fscking lusers would use those pretty graphical administration tools to get themselves into configuration messes that those same tools couldn't get them out of. And you'd be called in to find a totally crashed machine that wouldn't boot, and the luser twittering on about how he 'just did this'. Er...Maybe you didn't hear about user accounts yet?
OK Katzy mate. Don't worry, grab my hand....I'll help you off the soapbox....what? Your multi-million pound book deal...well yeah..we got that wrapped up....yeah and the magazine coverage...yeah the website too, mate.
Yeah..steady as you come down mate...don't want you to trip and damage your mouth...yeah I got you..that's it back on terra firma again...OK...the limos waiting Katzy mate, just come this way...we got to form a flying wedge to get through those fans, Katzy...Ok easy now..yeah thats it, a quick dash into the limo and we'll be away....what? You're runing for President? Why didn't you tell me that this morning? Now I got to buy tickets to Washington for tonight....
..the WAP version of Slashdot going to be launched?
I'm currently doing some WAP development work and I've found that the market seems to be very immature and only just gathering momentum.This alleged IPR infringement is a serious setback.
More seriously, read this article about how Microsoft will soon have a microbrowser on all our mobile handheld devices. Transmeta supposedly heralds MircroLinux, but I don't see a MicroMozilla browser in development. Bills new microsoft role specifically deals with wireless devices. Will Bill get to rule the world after all?
Slashdot Mirror
I agree, but Linus and the kernal team should manage the forks. That way, it's not vendor specific.
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I see this as the same problem the guys that want to do RT-Linux or micro-Linux. Why not have someone step up to the plate and say "Here is BigIron Linux! We will manage it and maintain it. Send us your patches
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I agree except that I think Linus and the Kernal team should manage different types of Kernal. That way, it's still Linux rather than SGIs or Suns or IBMs or whoevers flavour of Linux.
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As I understand it, upwards Scalability on Linux is a major problem - which is why Solaris et al are still more popular for true Enterprise class applications.
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The more I think about it and the more Linux distributions I try, the more convinced I become that one size does not fit all.
Linux as a workstation is is big and clunky. Linux as a datacenter server isn't scaleable enough. Linux on handhelds and wireless devices isn't as efficient Operating Systems build specifically for that purpose.
As it stands, Linux is great for web, file and print serving - which is what its mostly used for.
X11 creates a massive overhead for desktop users and the kernal doesn't scale to so-called Big Iron.
As an aside, I've tried both BeOS and the 1.44MB floppy version of QNX and am convinced that those scale downwards to handheld and wireless devices.
I'm not so sure of Linux in this regard, especially Linux with X11 and at least 4 different graphic toolkits (GRK, QT, FTLK, Fox etc).
I think it's time that Linus et al accept patches which do fork the kernal for so-called Big Iron and also for handheld/wireless devices creating three kernal streams.
It has to happen eventually and at least if Linus takes the initiative, the community will contain and control the changes. It will still be Linux, the brand will be strengthend rather than weakened.
I think this is really necessary if Linux is to achieve the stated aim of "World Domination"
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There'll be a similar announcement from Pakistan soon - wait and see!
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"That was a wowser to Isiaiah, who was amazed "...that the people asking about Linux here are suits, not techies"
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C'mon wake up people (and smell the coffee)
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hmm...but this package includes Photopaint which is AFAIK similar to the GIMP, but (seemingly and subjectively) "better".
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want everything spoon feed to me and don't want to learn or think on my own.
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Hmmmm....and when I have a stack of work to get through I don't want to think about how to do a task - I just want to be able to do it.
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Any development of a component model for Unix should be project/desktop/Window manager agnostic and independent.
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COM, CORBA and EJBs are not soley pitched at GUI apps, so it's a bit irresponsible to design a component model which will only function with two graphical environments.
Also, what shouldn't be happening is that KDE just adopts BONOBO wholesale - simply because the KDE team have already dropped CORBA from KParts. Both projects (and other interested parties) should work towards a scaleable, lightweight manageable and truly independent framework.
Having said that, this is a step in the right direction.
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..because you're an AC
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The whole point of KParts/DCOP is that Corba generally and Bonobo specifically was too heavy for desktop apps. See post to LinuxToday from Mosfet on why this is a fake
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It define a model to create server-side components. It is closely related to the Enterprise JavaBean component model. It add multi-language support and other stuff to the EJB model.
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Yes, so what it's doing is the equivalent of MTS in the Windows world - providing a container for shareable components which expose interfaces.
There's nothing to stop someone from creating another layer to sit on top of this in the way that ActiveX components have visual stuff on top of COM layers. So, yeah, I agree with your last line...However it could be used for the underlying processing a visual component need and something else would be responsible for the actuel rendering.
Bottom line is that Gnome or KDE, it's all coming together very nicely for Unix in general and Linux in particular.
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jus a thought
Wonder what this means for WAP? WAP is, of course, optimised for low bandwidth devices. The first wave are based on GSM.
Oh when I was a robot, a long long time ago.....on hot bot.
Hmmm....yes, more power = greater control, certainly, but how large is the "internet" market? What defines it? Who are the consumers? In conventional media, at least one of the barriers to entry is the limited availability of channels (be it literally televisual channels, radio frequencies, or print media sales channels). How many "channels" to consumers are there on the "internet"? How many ways of reaching consumers? Can a single corporate entity become large enough to assert control over all those channels?
I say "no" it can't! Especially in a new market place which the corporate doesn't understand. They may well define their own space and assert control over that, but I think it will be difficult to define and control an entire means of communication.
Yes, I agree. It's all about power.
I I remember my Economics studies aright, there isn't a capatalist country in the world. Pure capatalism is the abscence of Government intervention in markets - that means, no regulation, no grants, no intervention of any kind. Supply and Demand set prices and determine availability of utility. Obviously, this state of affairs doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
Capatalism = Anachary
WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOO UNCLE ARRY!!!!No, they're taught that it's getting as much as possible - even when they don't need it. "Greed is good", remember?
arf arf
Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no... I hated NeXTStep with a passion, and the reason I hated it was that fscking lusers would use those pretty graphical administration tools to get themselves into configuration messes that those same tools couldn't get them out of. And you'd be called in to find a totally crashed machine that wouldn't boot, and the luser twittering on about how he 'just did this'. Er...Maybe you didn't hear about user accounts yet?
Enjoy!
Yeah..steady as you come down mate...don't want you to trip and damage your mouth...yeah I got you..that's it back on terra firma again...OK...the limos waiting Katzy mate, just come this way...we got to form a flying wedge to get through those fans, Katzy...Ok easy now..yeah thats it, a quick dash into the limo and we'll be away....what? You're runing for President? Why didn't you tell me that this morning? Now I got to buy tickets to Washington for tonight....
..the WAP version of Slashdot going to be launched?
I'm currently doing some WAP development work and I've found that the market seems to be very immature and only just gathering momentum.This alleged IPR infringement is a serious setback.
More seriously, read this article about how Microsoft will soon have a microbrowser on all our mobile handheld devices. Transmeta supposedly heralds MircroLinux, but I don't see a MicroMozilla browser in development. Bills new microsoft role specifically deals with wireless devices. Will Bill get to rule the world after all?
When are they up for an IPO and will they rename themselves so that their name includes "Linux" adn ".com" twice? :)