But don't take skills away from the community. If you're going to contribute, don't replace someone who is already doing the job, and don't remove the need for the community to engage someone locally to do the job.
Going in to train others to do some sort of techincal work is good, but you have to remember that their values and yours won't really mesh, and you can't force people to learn C++ when they really want to use Basic.
Read an interesting book (was reviewed here on slashdot) called Backtrack 4: Assuring Security by Penetration Testing. Look into it, if you need to learn... or would like to see what the next gen of script kiddies will be using to turn to the dark side.
People like yourself, who were apparently born after 2000, aren't aware than for decades we used networked native applications quite successfully.
Yes, and people like you, born in the 1990s, like to pretend they're actually older and smarter than people born in the 1980s. Don't worry, I've seen it all before.
No mod points or I'd just mod up. Why add the extra overhead of a server and a browser to your app. And on older machines.
Can you say slow rube-goldberg machine (and just as fragile likely).
K.I.S.S.; keep it simple and don't add all that junk when you get nothing for it.
Mycroft
Perhaps there are plans to turn the application into a network wide, integrated solution once the bugs are worked out and the security force has habituated. Think about it. He's programming for law enforcement-style organizations, and there's no way they're going to a) be able to shell out for an overhaul at once, and b) want to prove that the solution is workable on an individual level before linking it up. Or maybe there is no reliable connection, but network functionality will be built in.
In any case, you're not really answering his question, you're just telling him that his approach is wrong. If I had mod points, I'd mod you down.
Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
You're right. You just stated that it was unable to attain fun because of a fundamental flaw (too underpowered). Small difference, but if you're unable to refute my argument as a whole, you can argue semantics, I suppose. Sure, the devil is in the details. But so are the asshats.
What I've found in medicine is that the average procedure costs $50 for 95% of the population, $5000 for 4%, and $50,000 for 1%. As a result, everybody ends up paying something like $400 since that is how the system works. Then, throw in all the guys who get the procedure done but don't pay their bills for whatever reason...
Sorry, is that an american I hear advocating for across-the-board medicare?
I don't understand what you're getting at. He only made two real statements, neither of which yours seems to counter.
He said that developers need to create value that people are willing to pay for. Doom 3 sold well, despite it not living up to some's expectations, it certainly fulfilled this statement.
Then he said that indie developers take a snooty attitude about this approach (implying in context that, rather, indie developers believe every game DOES have to be something that's never been done before). This has no relation to Doom 3 at all.
It sounds like you're just taking the opportunity to bash Doom 3. Understand, Carmack is arguing here FOR on-rails shooters. He's saying that games don't need to be incredibly creative and new every time they get released, they just have to do their job - provide entertainment that people are willing to pay for. And you're arguing against that by marching out a game which... provides entertatinment that people were willing to pay for...
And yet, Borderlands was a creative mashup of FPS and diablo... from a giant company... so it's clear that there is still *some* room for innovation.
And portal? That was innovative. FPS with no weapons.
I don't understand what you're getting at. He only made two real statements, neither of which yours seems to counter.
He said that developers need to create value that people are willing to pay for. Doom 3 sold well, despite it not living up to some's expectations, it certainly fulfilled this statement.
Then he said that indie developers take a snooty attitude about this approach (implying in context that, rather, indie developers believe every game DOES have to be something that's never been done before). This has no relation to Doom 3 at all.
It sounds like you're just taking the opportunity to bash Doom 3. Understand, Carmack is arguing here FOR on-rails shooters. He's saying that games don't need to be incredibly creative and new every time they get released, they just have to do their job - provide entertainment that people are willing to pay for. And you're arguing against that by marching out a game which... provides entertatinment that people were willing to pay for...
And yet, Borderlands was a creative mashup of FPS and diablo... from a giant company... so it's clear that there is still *some* room for innovation.
But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it.
I assume you are referring to people by mass and not by unit numbers.
There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
... Yup. I was clearly talking literally about tonnes of people. Though I don't share your definition of "fun". Last I checked, "fun" and "powerful" were not synonyms.
I was talking about Canada where the centre-left Liberal Party balanced the budget for about 10 years and were paying off the debt.
Not to mention the liberals were increasing the money supply! The role of the government is to keep the country running smoothly. And if that means spending money on social programs that encourage the recipients of those social programs to spend... and get taxed... and those who sell their services are taxed in return... and the government keeps putting money out into the hands of the people, they're going to actually get *more* back in taxes.
I still can't believe the cons won the last election... and broke their promises about balancing the budget 10 days later, and it got almost NO press coverage.
This isn't exactly right, as you're placing all the blame on the "right wingers".
Congratulations on assuming that everyone is talking about the USA.
It's not the "right wingers" who are at fault here, it's both "parties" (who are really part of the same, single Party that controls this country), and the voters who keep stupidly voting for them.
Congratulations again! (or was it still) on assuming that everyone is talking about the USA.
Just a tip. For next time? Read the comment that you're responding to. It gives context to your response and while it doesn't ensure the following comment will be intelligent, it does help keep it on topic.
Was it worth the trouble? Yes, in the sense that learning how to jailbreak your own phone is a valuable skill, and I got much more functionality out of the Cliq, when I was expecting to simply junk it.
The time spent doing this could have been spent on a billable (or freelance) project that would have paid for a new phone (and then some).
Yes, it's a good feeling to know you beat the technology. And yes, it's your phone and you should be able to do whatever you want with it. But how many times will you have to root the same phone model? Will the process be similar or completely different with your next model? Sometimes the upgraded features are worth your time & effort, and other times it's worth the cost of a better phone.
It'd be nice to have that option. Not everyone does.
But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it. There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
The problem in Canada, is that just 4 companies outside quebec own 99% of the telecom infrastructure. Depending which side of the country you are on, you have no choice at all. Out West (which is arguably more competitive because they have to compete with the east telecoms at some level) you have only the choice of:
You are *so* misinformed. Because of the way the infrastructure was built in Canada, there are 4 companies that have taken over management of the lines. They are legally required to lease out the lines, at rates that have been set to repay the real cost of investment. We're not living in Japan here. We're the 2nd largest country in the world, with a population 1/10th the size of the USA. So yeah. We pay more per person to have quality access to the internet, cable and the telephone system. But it's not anti-competitive - if the government didn't heavily subsidize the infrastructure and maintain some sort of control over the protocols, you'd either have 1 giant megacorp that owned it all, or several tiny companies that only serviced a small area and couldn't inter-operate. It's close minded thinking like yours that puts politicians in power who destroy the nature of what makes our country such a great place to live. The fundamental role of government is to make sure that everyone is on equal footing, that no one can unfairly take advantage of another. Our country does it much better than our neighbours to the south... why would you want to change?
In other news... the rest of the country wishes that alberta would hurry up and secede, we've got enough close minded, uninformed intolerate people living south of the border. We don't need them living *in* our country as well. Add in the fact that they're full of mormons and polygamists (not the same thing, mind you...), and can't even grow decent marijuana... really. What do we need them for? The tar-sands? Well, we need the tar sands just as much as we need the hydroelectric plants all through northern quebec... and that didn't stop us from ALMOST getting rid of them.
Have you been to Canada recently? Our government is more in the pockets of corporations, as least in regard to utilities and wireless service, that the U.S. could ever dream of.
Except for healthcare. We have that part covered.
Mmm. +4 informative AC. Except... it's not informative, or even factual. I imagine the people modding up the AC are american and desperate to justify their failing system by downplaying the success of others.
Ah, but not all medical care is OVER-paid for, and only in a few countries in the world does a private insurance company get to drive up prices and pocket the profits instead of the government.
I like how the insurance company says - x charge for a procedure. Then the hospital instead of submitting one charge, submits bills from each physician, doctor separately.
Room bill
procedure bill
anesthesia bill
surgeon bill
etc bill
etc2 bill
etc3 bill
etc etc etc bill
each one with it's own co-pay of coure.
I called the insurance company up, re-played the call when I got the authorization with one fee.
I only paid one fee, they had to cover the rest, and they sued the hospital for illegal charge breakup - ie - insurance fraud.
Typical american. Not only are you against having government participate in a positive manner in your life, but you'd like to increase the number of lawyers, drive up the cost of doing business, and encourage the insurance companies to continue to profiteer in your name.
Look at other countries with successful, non-failing economies. Canada is a good example. They're even on the same continent. The big difference? The metric system... and the government.
I went to my primary care physician (tvc.org) recently to have him spray a little liquid nitrogen on a wart on my foot. It took the family doctor a grand total of 5 minutes, most of which was friendly chit-chat. My insurance (Empire Blue) was billed $550, but that was knocked down to $450 thanks to the in-network contracted rate. That's $90 per *minute*, or $5,400 per hour. Now, I understand that medical school is expensive, but $5,400/hr? Really?
That's crazy! Though, simple procedures like this are easy to do at home. I'm not saying that you *should* self-administer medical treatments, but things like this are easy to do at home and super-cheap. As far as I'm concerned, it's a waste of everyone's time to get warts burnt off - do you go to the doctor to brush your teeth or shave? Because that's about how complicated it is.
And I'm canadian, and so it isn't even a question of cost, just convenience.
If you want to know why costs for serious procedures are going up in the USA, It's because simple ones are easier to do, and make them the same amount of money, if not more. There is way more demand for wart-removal than there is for cardiac surgery... and the way the legal system works in the USA, few doctors want to take the chance of getting sued when all they're trying to do is help.
I'd be willing to bet that iOS development is a HUGE factor in this... because a lot of houses are wanting to jump on the iOS development bandwagon, and the only authorized way to develop for iOS (and the only way to get an app on iTunes) is by using a Mac for development.
That's a very astute observation. I was thinking more that of the
... third of big businesses now let employees choose a Mac as their PC — and more than half choose the Mac.
I have to wonder why the other 2/3rds don't let their employees change. Is it because they don't want to? Or is it because the employees don't ask...
Dude, asking people to call you "Rowan Thunder" is asking to be harassed. So yes, I'll believe you that Rowan is being harassed. But I can tell you without ever having met him/her, that the harassment isn't because of his/her name, it's the way he presents himself. I have a feeling that the smug, world-owes-me-something-and-I'll-act-however-I-want tone in his whining webpost isn't confined to the web. And speaking as a person who was teased a lot while growing up, *I* would tease someone who acts like this. Maybe not in a mean-spirited way, but I would certainly go out of my way to point out that drawing attention to yourself by being loud and obnoxious is going to come across poorly.
Which I guess was my original point. Whiney kid wants a name change. So do it. $400 isn't much money, That's the savings of switching from starbucks to coffee time coffee for a year. Or going from super-uber-mega-speed internet to regular speed net for a year. Or the price of 5 of those obnoxiously over-inflated brand name shirts he's wearing. Or the price of 10 novelty geek-tee-shirts.
So if Rowan wants to complain that he's gotta pay for something in life because of where he lives, Rowan needs to grow up and learn that the world doesn't revolve around him. If he lived in the country, he'd complain he didn't have high speed internet. If he lived in Alaska, he'd complain that the government didn't provide the same services on the beachfront that they provide in Florida.
I guess I'm saying that Rowan QQ about how tough his life is, while kids are dying in africa and the solution to his problem is actually quite simple... he'd just rather whine about it than actually fix it. I'm glad he's found the spotlight, I can only imagine what he'd do if he wasn't the centre of attention.
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But don't take skills away from the community. If you're going to contribute, don't replace someone who is already doing the job, and don't remove the need for the community to engage someone locally to do the job.
Going in to train others to do some sort of techincal work is good, but you have to remember that their values and yours won't really mesh, and you can't force people to learn C++ when they really want to use Basic.
When is ANY difficult answer like this able to be addressed in one or two words?
One word : Americans.
Why? Because everywhere else in the civilized world, that sort of investment in the school system shows immediate results.
Read an interesting book (was reviewed here on slashdot) called Backtrack 4: Assuring Security by Penetration Testing. Look into it, if you need to learn ... or would like to see what the next gen of script kiddies will be using to turn to the dark side.
People like yourself, who were apparently born after 2000, aren't aware than for decades we used networked native applications quite successfully.
Yes, and people like you, born in the 1990s, like to pretend they're actually older and smarter than people born in the 1980s. Don't worry, I've seen it all before.
* Only a Fascist would admit to being a "fan" of PCs and Sony
Or someone who doesn't go out of his way to irritate people, unless they're apple fanbois who don't know their PPC from their Nehalem ...
No mod points or I'd just mod up. Why add the extra overhead of a server and a browser to your app. And on older machines. Can you say slow rube-goldberg machine (and just as fragile likely). K.I.S.S.; keep it simple and don't add all that junk when you get nothing for it. Mycroft
Perhaps there are plans to turn the application into a network wide, integrated solution once the bugs are worked out and the security force has habituated. Think about it. He's programming for law enforcement-style organizations, and there's no way they're going to a) be able to shell out for an overhaul at once, and b) want to prove that the solution is workable on an individual level before linking it up. Or maybe there is no reliable connection, but network functionality will be built in.
In any case, you're not really answering his question, you're just telling him that his approach is wrong. If I had mod points, I'd mod you down.
Really? Good god, slashdot.
I KNOW. The description which says
It's pretty scary stuff, especially considering that these new weapons are not regulated at all
OH NOES, UNREGULATED WEAPONS ....
Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
You're right. You just stated that it was unable to attain fun because of a fundamental flaw (too underpowered). Small difference, but if you're unable to refute my argument as a whole, you can argue semantics, I suppose. Sure, the devil is in the details. But so are the asshats.
What I've found in medicine is that the average procedure costs $50 for 95% of the population, $5000 for 4%, and $50,000 for 1%. As a result, everybody ends up paying something like $400 since that is how the system works. Then, throw in all the guys who get the procedure done but don't pay their bills for whatever reason...
Sorry, is that an american I hear advocating for across-the-board medicare?
I don't understand what you're getting at. He only made two real statements, neither of which yours seems to counter.
He said that developers need to create value that people are willing to pay for. Doom 3 sold well, despite it not living up to some's expectations, it certainly fulfilled this statement.
Then he said that indie developers take a snooty attitude about this approach (implying in context that, rather, indie developers believe every game DOES have to be something that's never been done before). This has no relation to Doom 3 at all.
It sounds like you're just taking the opportunity to bash Doom 3. Understand, Carmack is arguing here FOR on-rails shooters. He's saying that games don't need to be incredibly creative and new every time they get released, they just have to do their job - provide entertainment that people are willing to pay for. And you're arguing against that by marching out a game which... provides entertatinment that people were willing to pay for. ..
And yet, Borderlands was a creative mashup of FPS and diablo... from a giant company ... so it's clear that there is still *some* room for innovation.
And portal? That was innovative. FPS with no weapons.
I don't understand what you're getting at. He only made two real statements, neither of which yours seems to counter.
He said that developers need to create value that people are willing to pay for. Doom 3 sold well, despite it not living up to some's expectations, it certainly fulfilled this statement.
Then he said that indie developers take a snooty attitude about this approach (implying in context that, rather, indie developers believe every game DOES have to be something that's never been done before). This has no relation to Doom 3 at all.
It sounds like you're just taking the opportunity to bash Doom 3. Understand, Carmack is arguing here FOR on-rails shooters. He's saying that games don't need to be incredibly creative and new every time they get released, they just have to do their job - provide entertainment that people are willing to pay for. And you're arguing against that by marching out a game which... provides entertatinment that people were willing to pay for. ..
And yet, Borderlands was a creative mashup of FPS and diablo... from a giant company ... so it's clear that there is still *some* room for innovation.
But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it.
I assume you are referring to people by mass and not by unit numbers.
There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
... Yup. I was clearly talking literally about tonnes of people. Though I don't share your definition of "fun". Last I checked, "fun" and "powerful" were not synonyms.
I was talking about Canada where the centre-left Liberal Party balanced the budget for about 10 years and were paying off the debt.
Not to mention the liberals were increasing the money supply! The role of the government is to keep the country running smoothly. And if that means spending money on social programs that encourage the recipients of those social programs to spend ... and get taxed ... and those who sell their services are taxed in return ... and the government keeps putting money out into the hands of the people, they're going to actually get *more* back in taxes.
... and broke their promises about balancing the budget 10 days later, and it got almost NO press coverage.
I still can't believe the cons won the last election
This isn't exactly right, as you're placing all the blame on the "right wingers".
Congratulations on assuming that everyone is talking about the USA.
It's not the "right wingers" who are at fault here, it's both "parties" (who are really part of the same, single Party that controls this country), and the voters who keep stupidly voting for them.
Congratulations again! (or was it still) on assuming that everyone is talking about the USA. Just a tip. For next time? Read the comment that you're responding to. It gives context to your response and while it doesn't ensure the following comment will be intelligent, it does help keep it on topic.
Was it worth it? Maybe.
Was it worth the trouble? Yes, in the sense that learning how to jailbreak your own phone is a valuable skill, and I got much more functionality out of the Cliq, when I was expecting to simply junk it.
The time spent doing this could have been spent on a billable (or freelance) project that would have paid for a new phone (and then some). Yes, it's a good feeling to know you beat the technology. And yes, it's your phone and you should be able to do whatever you want with it. But how many times will you have to root the same phone model? Will the process be similar or completely different with your next model? Sometimes the upgraded features are worth your time & effort, and other times it's worth the cost of a better phone.
It'd be nice to have that option. Not everyone does.
But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it. There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
The problem in Canada, is that just 4 companies outside quebec own 99% of the telecom infrastructure. Depending which side of the country you are on, you have no choice at all. Out West (which is arguably more competitive because they have to compete with the east telecoms at some level) you have only the choice of:
You are *so* misinformed. Because of the way the infrastructure was built in Canada, there are 4 companies that have taken over management of the lines. They are legally required to lease out the lines, at rates that have been set to repay the real cost of investment. We're not living in Japan here. We're the 2nd largest country in the world, with a population 1/10th the size of the USA. So yeah. We pay more per person to have quality access to the internet, cable and the telephone system. But it's not anti-competitive - if the government didn't heavily subsidize the infrastructure and maintain some sort of control over the protocols, you'd either have 1 giant megacorp that owned it all, or several tiny companies that only serviced a small area and couldn't inter-operate. It's close minded thinking like yours that puts politicians in power who destroy the nature of what makes our country such a great place to live. The fundamental role of government is to make sure that everyone is on equal footing, that no one can unfairly take advantage of another. Our country does it much better than our neighbours to the south... why would you want to change?
... the rest of the country wishes that alberta would hurry up and secede, we've got enough close minded, uninformed intolerate people living south of the border. We don't need them living *in* our country as well. Add in the fact that they're full of mormons and polygamists (not the same thing, mind you...), and can't even grow decent marijuana ... really. What do we need them for? The tar-sands? Well, we need the tar sands just as much as we need the hydroelectric plants all through northern quebec ... and that didn't stop us from ALMOST getting rid of them.
In other news
Have you been to Canada recently? Our government is more in the pockets of corporations, as least in regard to utilities and wireless service, that the U.S. could ever dream of.
Except for healthcare. We have that part covered.
Mmm. +4 informative AC. Except ... it's not informative, or even factual. I imagine the people modding up the AC are american and desperate to justify their failing system by downplaying the success of others.
All medical care is ultimately paid for.
Ah, but not all medical care is OVER-paid for, and only in a few countries in the world does a private insurance company get to drive up prices and pocket the profits instead of the government.
I like how the insurance company says - x charge for a procedure. Then the hospital instead of submitting one charge, submits bills from each physician, doctor separately.
Room bill procedure bill anesthesia bill surgeon bill etc bill etc2 bill etc3 bill etc etc etc bill
each one with it's own co-pay of coure.
I called the insurance company up, re-played the call when I got the authorization with one fee. I only paid one fee, they had to cover the rest, and they sued the hospital for illegal charge breakup - ie - insurance fraud.
Typical american. Not only are you against having government participate in a positive manner in your life, but you'd like to increase the number of lawyers, drive up the cost of doing business, and encourage the insurance companies to continue to profiteer in your name.
Look at other countries with successful, non-failing economies. Canada is a good example. They're even on the same continent. The big difference? The metric system... and the government.
I went to my primary care physician (tvc.org) recently to have him spray a little liquid nitrogen on a wart on my foot. It took the family doctor a grand total of 5 minutes, most of which was friendly chit-chat. My insurance (Empire Blue) was billed $550, but that was knocked down to $450 thanks to the in-network contracted rate. That's $90 per *minute*, or $5,400 per hour. Now, I understand that medical school is expensive, but $5,400/hr? Really?
That's crazy! Though, simple procedures like this are easy to do at home. I'm not saying that you *should* self-administer medical treatments, but things like this are easy to do at home and super-cheap. As far as I'm concerned, it's a waste of everyone's time to get warts burnt off - do you go to the doctor to brush your teeth or shave? Because that's about how complicated it is.
... and the way the legal system works in the USA, few doctors want to take the chance of getting sued when all they're trying to do is help.
And I'm canadian, and so it isn't even a question of cost, just convenience.
If you want to know why costs for serious procedures are going up in the USA, It's because simple ones are easier to do, and make them the same amount of money, if not more. There is way more demand for wart-removal than there is for cardiac surgery
I have to wonder why the other 2/3rds don't let their employees change.
Usually, it's because they have an exclusive volume purchase deal with HP or Dell.
-jcr
I'm proposing is that 50% switch rate isn't representative. Glad you agree :)
I'd be willing to bet that iOS development is a HUGE factor in this... because a lot of houses are wanting to jump on the iOS development bandwagon, and the only authorized way to develop for iOS (and the only way to get an app on iTunes) is by using a Mac for development.
That's a very astute observation. I was thinking more that of the
... third of big businesses now let employees choose a Mac as their PC — and more than half choose the Mac.
I have to wonder why the other 2/3rds don't let their employees change. Is it because they don't want to? Or is it because the employees don't ask...
"...with 10.7 percent of all U.S. PC sales..."
Is that the Lion share?...
NICE.
Dude, asking people to call you "Rowan Thunder" is asking to be harassed. So yes, I'll believe you that Rowan is being harassed. But I can tell you without ever having met him/her, that the harassment isn't because of his/her name, it's the way he presents himself. I have a feeling that the smug, world-owes-me-something-and-I'll-act-however-I-want tone in his whining webpost isn't confined to the web. And speaking as a person who was teased a lot while growing up, *I* would tease someone who acts like this. Maybe not in a mean-spirited way, but I would certainly go out of my way to point out that drawing attention to yourself by being loud and obnoxious is going to come across poorly.
... he'd just rather whine about it than actually fix it. I'm glad he's found the spotlight, I can only imagine what he'd do if he wasn't the centre of attention.
Which I guess was my original point. Whiney kid wants a name change. So do it. $400 isn't much money, That's the savings of switching from starbucks to coffee time coffee for a year. Or going from super-uber-mega-speed internet to regular speed net for a year. Or the price of 5 of those obnoxiously over-inflated brand name shirts he's wearing. Or the price of 10 novelty geek-tee-shirts.
So if Rowan wants to complain that he's gotta pay for something in life because of where he lives, Rowan needs to grow up and learn that the world doesn't revolve around him. If he lived in the country, he'd complain he didn't have high speed internet. If he lived in Alaska, he'd complain that the government didn't provide the same services on the beachfront that they provide in Florida.
I guess I'm saying that Rowan QQ about how tough his life is, while kids are dying in africa and the solution to his problem is actually quite simple
Now get off my lawn.