Welcome to the computer market place, "feature X is only in version X of software that works with X only. your old computer does have X, there for you cannot run software that X can run or have the features of an X computer... sorry your going to have to shell out an additional $2000 to use that $199 new upgrade of photoshop....
if you really think that your getting a higher quality product from apple, why dont you get into scientology, u can pay for better religion there!
So, my hackintosh is fully legal. I use a vanilla kernal, pc efi 8, and darwin boot loader, and i made my own install disc from my legal backup. so FU Coward!
Well, it is my feeling that 10.6 may bring forth some UI changes as well as under the hood improvements. also this WWDC may make mention of todays clones as well as the boys from OSX86. I think apple should really take advantage of this community because they are starting to make up a good amount of OS X 10.5.x sales as well as encouraging people to buy macs. In addition, I believe this may be the year of Mac OS on PC, this could be big, maybe 10.6 will support booting MBR and BIOS in addition to EFI and GPT. Who knows, something is always going on at apple and they do respect the hackerly community; for jobs and woz were hackers themselves at one point.
"You may experience unexpected results if you have third-party system software modifications installed, or if you've modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)" Sounds like Apple recognizes the hackintosh crowd and heeds them with a warning too.
A lot of problems in Windows come from either poor drivers or low-quality components (which in turn often have old/poor drivers). For all of the flack we give MS, they do an alright job considering they have to support millions and millions of combinations of hardware. This isn't quite as true these days. The landscape is quite different today than it was 20 years ago when those claims were being made.
Legacy hardware might pose a problem, but these days, most component manufacturers have consolidated, standardized peripherals have become the norm, and there really aren't that many distinct/exotic types of hardware for Apple to support.
More and more hardware functions are being integrated directly into chipsets. Intel, AMD, VIA, and nVidia virtually own the entire market, and don't have terribly massive product lines. Of course, Apple already support most current Intel chipsets, given that they use them! Supporting non-intel chipsets would take a bit more effort, though it wouldn't be terribly difficult.
Also remember that Intel, AMD, nVidia, VIA all develop their own drivers. Given the "hotness" Apple currently has, I'm sure they'd be willing to support them on at least a few of their product lines. Also consider that F/OSS drivers also exist for most of these things, and that anything under the BSD license is fair-game to be used in OS X, or any other commercial OS.
Networking hardware either tags alongside the chipset, or is made by oen of a very small list of very large companies (Broadcom, and 3Com immediately coming to mind). Apple already support most common network chipsets due to variations in their own product lines over time, and the fact that Ethernet chipsets haven't changed all that much over the past few years.
Graphics are down to nVidia and ATI (AMD), both of which write their own drivers, and have a unified driver platform. Apple's dealt with both companies in the past, and supports both on OS X. No big deal there.
Apple uses CUPS for Printing, and shares its driver support with Linux (and most other Unices). Anything that doesn't fall under that umbrella is left to the manufacturers (with varying levels of success).
This is also another reason why Linux driver support has finally stabilized. The number of new hardware combinations to support has gone dramatically down from the 90s, and the community is now able to focus on writing a small number of high-quality drivers. Standardized interfaces with pre-defined device classes (eg. USB and 1394) have also made a tremendous impact.
Say what you want about the consolidation of computer hardware manufacturers. However, it's undeniable that driver support has gotten immesurably less complicated. i completely agree, bsd and all other nix based stuff has really made it easy for hardware to just work right and easily. however, the one problem i could foresee if osx was made to run on any x86 based computer would be the fact that drivers like chipset and graphics are hard to obtain sometimes; especially with ibm / lenovo. they make you search for a buncha serial numbers and service tabs, its crazy shit! you enter everything in, and you still have to hut through about 50 different uncatogorigised driver files to find that your laptop could have had 12 or so different chipset and or video chips. this would be a little scary with mac os. it would need a way to load IDE / SATA drivers before the install process began, just like xp when you would press f6.
i realize that using kext helper is a great way to install drivers, but a windows device manager equivalent would be really cool.
Dr. D
OS/X? Is this the super-secret IBM version of Mac OS X?
-Q
Oh, and PS: No.
no nyucka its a new IBM computer, powered by a PPC octo core beast that has a clean room openfirmware (lolz) and ps/2 ports for keyboard and mice. must be a new era of clones, from IBM... the company apple cornholed when intel showed them core and core 2 and became master and chief of mac chipsets and processsors.
apple should be carefull, the PPC crowd may make leo hackintoshes of there own.
clone wars yes begin....
Dr. D
if sp3 is really at RTM status that is a waste, the end of retail XP is nigh, and vista is pretty much the only thing on the shelves right now with OEM builds, we are all boned...
as subject dictates if we the people are not allowed to have this great neutrality of said internet we the people could end up like the poor bastards in china, not able to read news, read anti-communist lits, and other such great things.
i thinks its about time we all strike back against isps that throttle legitimate Bit torrent traffic and take back what is rightfully ours; the net.
WTF guys,
Few things,
First, Apple made generic x86 devolper boxes when they were in transition from CPU archs, they were not pretty and artistic.
Secondly, the Mac isnt really anything special anymore, its based on generic cheap intel hardware. apple did this because the PPC was becoming to expensive (less of that grand 80% profit) and was not thermally effeciant; thusly rendering the mac platform no better than an ugly windows box.
Mac guys, im one of you too, but i was broken into macs by OSX86. mac guys need to know this: your mac is a PC, the only thing that separates apple macs from pcs are EFI, but guess what EFI is coming to the pc market very soon, and who knows OS X might just run natively on standard hardware with out hacking it, and you fan boys will be crying like little emos.
also,
there is no craftsmanship left in the apple brand, they outsource all of their manufacturing to taiwan, india and any other low bidder. you are not buying the quality box that the comercials have seduced u into believing, its just a hacked up ibm pc clone with EFI, nothing more, nothing less.
File sharing is not lawful? shit there goes my career as a paladin..
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One thing that really grinds my gears, my ISP Verizon has never done a damn thing to filter my inbox
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Im surprised that, adelphia, comcast, charter or juno have never giving me a Violation of ToS
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Dr. D
Hey guys, the vista capable sticker means it can run vista. weather it can run aero or not thats your problem!
The one really good thing about Vista's aero is it is forcing manufacturers to push better substandard video cards to the masses that offer more features than just being able to do 32 bit colors. If you think about it, its not a bad thing; ati is seeing a healthy boost in buisness and so is nvidia. i have to say that the low end shader 2 compatible cards they are implementing sucks but its better than being stuck with a card with no 3d acceleration at all (intel video...)
If your still pissed about your vista capable sticker i think that shelling out 100 bucks on a 2600 XT 256 GDDR3 card wouldnt be a bad investment. if you have a laptop, bitch at someone else, you bough a closed non upgradedable system, just let go, get a 45, cap ur self and dream about splurging that allmight consumer dollar ona new emachine with them failing bestec power supplies.
dont get me started on emachines... DR D
I agree,
I was a beta tester for XP, alot of folks saw XP as a stupid OS and would be the next Windows ME. they were wrong. i think in time Vista will become like XP, first hated then loved by millions. but who am i to predict market trends, im just a weeeee lil computer tech that has had Mac OS X installed on his Window$ box...
EAT FIJITAS!
Well if er-buddy is gunna bitch about Vista I think it is time for us all to move to OSX.
Setting up a hackintosh is not a great feat of hackery, just a real pain in the ass.
so go forth! buy copies of leo, patch that shit and show mr. gates what mr. jobs gave you at a whopping 130.00 with no activation!
BTW, I own a mac, a hack and a pc, so dont even start the flame warin'.
Seriously... why doesnt everyone go hackintosh, better than a real mac imho.
Dr. D
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i get real sick of you apple yuppies saying this. it works out like this:
apple sells one iMac they make 200 - 500 profit; a 35% to 45% markup on cost of parts.
apple sells 1 osx dvd - they loose 20 bucks on the packaging and media and they get a 100 bucks profit,
so
hypothetically apple could sell 25 copies of osx and still make out decent profit considering the margins...
FU fan boy,
Long live hackintosh!
Well...
"It just works"
Dr. D
Welcome to the computer market place, "feature X is only in version X of software that works with X only. your old computer does have X, there for you cannot run software that X can run or have the features of an X computer... sorry your going to have to shell out an additional $2000 to use that $199 new upgrade of photoshop....
Pirates!
Dr. D
Listen here dude,
EULA = NON-ENFORCEABLE AGREEMENT by US LAW
if you really think that your getting a higher quality product from apple, why dont you get into scientology, u can pay for better religion there!
So, my hackintosh is fully legal. I use a vanilla kernal, pc efi 8, and darwin boot loader, and i made my own install disc from my legal backup. so FU Coward!
Dr. D
Well, it is my feeling that 10.6 may bring forth some UI changes as well as under the hood improvements. also this WWDC may make mention of todays clones as well as the boys from OSX86. I think apple should really take advantage of this community because they are starting to make up a good amount of OS X 10.5.x sales as well as encouraging people to buy macs. In addition, I believe this may be the year of Mac OS on PC, this could be big, maybe 10.6 will support booting MBR and BIOS in addition to EFI and GPT. Who knows, something is always going on at apple and they do respect the hackerly community; for jobs and woz were hackers themselves at one point.
Dr. D
Indeed, some are reporting of inconsistant performance with amd / ati hardware as well.
Hail Hackintosh
Does it run linux or Crysis??
Oh no! Cowboy neal's porno cluster is up and running, its a damn shame to see 100tb of porn just laying around....
OS/X? Is this the super-secret IBM version of Mac OS X?
-Q
Oh, and PS: No.
no nyucka its a new IBM computer, powered by a PPC octo core beast that has a clean room openfirmware (lolz) and psif sp3 is really at RTM status that is a waste, the end of retail XP is nigh, and vista is pretty much the only thing on the shelves right now with OEM builds, we are all boned...
as subject dictates if we the people are not allowed to have this great neutrality of said internet we the people could end up like the poor bastards in china, not able to read news, read anti-communist lits, and other such great things. i thinks its about time we all strike back against isps that throttle legitimate Bit torrent traffic and take back what is rightfully ours; the net.
WTF guys, Few things, First, Apple made generic x86 devolper boxes when they were in transition from CPU archs, they were not pretty and artistic. Secondly, the Mac isnt really anything special anymore, its based on generic cheap intel hardware. apple did this because the PPC was becoming to expensive (less of that grand 80% profit) and was not thermally effeciant; thusly rendering the mac platform no better than an ugly windows box. Mac guys, im one of you too, but i was broken into macs by OSX86. mac guys need to know this: your mac is a PC, the only thing that separates apple macs from pcs are EFI, but guess what EFI is coming to the pc market very soon, and who knows OS X might just run natively on standard hardware with out hacking it, and you fan boys will be crying like little emos. also, there is no craftsmanship left in the apple brand, they outsource all of their manufacturing to taiwan, india and any other low bidder. you are not buying the quality box that the comercials have seduced u into believing, its just a hacked up ibm pc clone with EFI, nothing more, nothing less.
File sharing is not lawful? shit there goes my career as a paladin.. -- One thing that really grinds my gears, my ISP Verizon has never done a damn thing to filter my inbox -- Im surprised that, adelphia, comcast, charter or juno have never giving me a Violation of ToS -- Dr. D
Hey guys, the vista capable sticker means it can run vista. weather it can run aero or not thats your problem! The one really good thing about Vista's aero is it is forcing manufacturers to push better substandard video cards to the masses that offer more features than just being able to do 32 bit colors. If you think about it, its not a bad thing; ati is seeing a healthy boost in buisness and so is nvidia. i have to say that the low end shader 2 compatible cards they are implementing sucks but its better than being stuck with a card with no 3d acceleration at all (intel video...) If your still pissed about your vista capable sticker i think that shelling out 100 bucks on a 2600 XT 256 GDDR3 card wouldnt be a bad investment. if you have a laptop, bitch at someone else, you bough a closed non upgradedable system, just let go, get a 45, cap ur self and dream about splurging that allmight consumer dollar ona new emachine with them failing bestec power supplies. dont get me started on emachines... DR D
I agree, I was a beta tester for XP, alot of folks saw XP as a stupid OS and would be the next Windows ME. they were wrong. i think in time Vista will become like XP, first hated then loved by millions. but who am i to predict market trends, im just a weeeee lil computer tech that has had Mac OS X installed on his Window$ box... EAT FIJITAS!
Well if er-buddy is gunna bitch about Vista I think it is time for us all to move to OSX. Setting up a hackintosh is not a great feat of hackery, just a real pain in the ass. so go forth! buy copies of leo, patch that shit and show mr. gates what mr. jobs gave you at a whopping 130.00 with no activation! BTW, I own a mac, a hack and a pc, so dont even start the flame warin'. Seriously... why doesnt everyone go hackintosh, better than a real mac imho. Dr. D