Microsoft and all of its previous cohorts / comrades / skinheads / nazis / etc.. have taught us that you can not take a shit with out a law suit. mostly because in the fine print somewhere in that damn eula it says they have already patented the mechanism for shiting. therefor and there hence no shitting; or we sue you.
and we thought just the microsoft boyz were bad...
the boyz and i have tried to figure out a solution to that same problem. AVG has a linux based rescue cd as well as some other guys, it could easily be adapted to a usb disk
"OS X will be doomed the day when it runs on generic, buggy on chip hardware like $10 NIC.
If I was any of previous, licensed Mac Clone makers, I would be seriously pissed about Pystar. They were some great machines, Pystar is a complete pirate who distributes software WE (Real Mac users) pay for.
No, Leopard is not a 130 bucks worth OS."
Rebuttal:
As a former Windows Jockey and Journeyman Hackintoshist I have to say that your argument is invalid. Psystar is not pirating Mac OSX. Granted I understand that you feel ripped off because psystar is making unauthorized Macs with generic hardware; thusly giving you the illusion or reality distortion field bullshito that you belive that you cannot buy a full version of OSX. OSX will install even when there is no OSX install on the hard drive. UPGRADE disks require that you have proof of ownership of a prior product to be a candidate for the upgrade. therefor, the real price for a full version of OSX is 129; you cannot deny it in any way shape of form.
"But, but, the Mac hardware pays for OSX R+D!? therefor isnt that the cost of osx?"
WRONG! The price of software is not justified by the price of the hardware it is designed to run on. In other words it is the cost of said software inquestion is what ever your retailer sold it to you for.
The fact of the matter is that Apple's Macs are no different then most regular pcs. Infact, my hackintosh is very closely spec'd like a mini, except mine was cheaper and has a real graphics card... AND I MADE IT. lets compare.
My hackintosh
ECS - 945GCT-M1333 Intel 945 Mobile Express Chipset Sigmatel Audio Realtek Lan DDR2 667Mhz Ram Intel GMA 950 Onboard ATI 2600xt PCIE Video Core2 1.8Ghz
My Mac Mini
Apple Mini Mobo Intel 945 Mobile Express Chipset Realtek Audio Realtek Lan DDR2 667Mhz Ram Core2 1.8Ghz Intel GMA 950 Onboard graphics
I do not see much of a difference, except that my hackintosh is expandable and does everything i need it to do with out fault or consequence.
I have even ran geek bench on this bad boy, look for the results of syst3m 3, thats my hackerdoodle.
Anyways, it would be real nice if someone could mod me up, im sick of typing insiteful things and not getting anything out of it.
well, if it really has to be an apple labled machine why dont they just buy them SATA HDs from apple with the little logo on it and slap that little white apple sticker on the hackintosh? an Apple SATA HD is BLESSED Apple Hardware.
Apple should just make OSX hardware agnostic and save the pc world from dire doom. OSX86 (hardware agnostic OSX) should only be sold to individuals that are tech savy and not warranted with tech support.
It would be nice for apple to open thier OS more and allow us all to run a pretty unix like boxen.
First off - I do not endorse Psystar for selling hackintoshen, I do not support apple for their franken boxen nor am I a free software zealot.
Lets get a few things straight about OSX:
1. Its built from the Mach Kernel - its scalable and portable just like any other Unix-like box. Not to mention NeXT was portable to run on non NeXT hardware after sometime.
2. The core utils are Free Software and not as in beer god damn it.
3. OSX is quite hackable, its a really great portable and pretty unix box.
Lets get some facts straight about what Psystar:
1. They are selling a pretty Unix-like box that has the OS hacked a bit.
2. It is not illegal to sell a hackintosh - its just a god damn pretty Unix-like.
3. They have over sized testicles and delulusional dreams of wealth and grandeur.
Lets get some things straight about Apple:
1. They make an OS that they sell in a box - not a cardboard one.
2. Hardware from these folks is really marked up, almost not worth buying from fear of ramen noodles and poverty.
3. Their OS is actually decent and with the right marketing and white box builds could bring *nix to the masses and crush the real evil - Microsoft...
With all of this in mind we can safely deduct this:
Apple cannot take legal action against any entity based on the principle design of Mac OS X. OS X has way too much FSF cancer floating around it in and is just way to easy to hack to make it exclusive to Apple's hardware. Not to mention OS X is is fundementally NeXT Step. Apple should have figured this out during the transition. Infact if Apple made a special version of their OS for regular white boxen, their user base could grow ten fold. But Steve has a problem, its his ego; he forgets that hes not the only one making a good computer, Woz isnt by his side anymore to manufacture and declare the Mac a completely unique system. If Apple really wants to reclaim their OS the only option is to jump to an unknown architechture and be non-compatible to x86 and drop all the nix stuff from it.
Like wise,
The OSX86 Comunity sees the potential for OS X, and reclaims ones desktop, mini-itx, toaster oven and hackinboxen at time from the furious tierney of Windows./.-ers forget that Microsoft is the enememy and we need to support any comunity bringing Unix-likes to the masses. OSX86 does not endorse Psystar because our goals are to make the technical know how available to those whom crave the perversion of hack craft. Also OSX86 aims to make OSX not just exclusive to hackers, because everyone and anyone deserves a chance to run a great stable Unix-like. ANYONE!
Im impressed; i think this sorta case would be best suited for the hackintoshen boxen. just because us boys are allways trying out the latest and greatest to see if it all really just works:)
However, i think foxcon made a case like this. i think brother mark mueller said something about in the upgrading and repairing pc's 17th ediition dvd.
Its a shame all of us Fallout fantaticle folk have been subject to wait so long for this title. Its kinda like when HL 2 was released, them hackerly folks hacked and slashed it and torrented it up on the internets/torrentz. I forsee this to be a rising trend in PC gaming as well as on the console side of things for we are bound to using standard media for console games IE CD/DVDs. this is gunna be another one of those DRM ridden releases if we/. folk are not carefull. DO NOT TELL THE WORLD HORATIO, DO NOT TELL THE WORLD!!!
The real scary thing to consider is that Fallout 3 may be subject to the same BS that HL2 had, steam - a glorified activation front end to be the one DRM to rule them all.
<quote><p>I would tread on the rights of others to prevent spam</p></quote>
<p>Then I am glad you are not in government.</p></quote>
Well, how does your confidence treat you when you DL 4000 emails everyday telling you, "She wants MORE" and buy these pecker-picker-upper pills.
What I ment about treading on the rights of others: We have Dept. Homeland Sec. wire tapping and all that bullshit making sure Kumar isnt gunna blow him self up in the subway. This is done very sketchy by the govt, and it supposedly keeps us safe... NOW! the govt should kinda wire tap emails in a way, find out where the repeat spam offenders are coming from and take em out. If we can shit 2 billion dollars on bagdad we can shit 2 million in finding spam shops and shutting them down, especially the 419 crowd. If the govt has to break into a few out boxes to find out where the spam is coming from, be my guest; I will be the first one to give up my usrname and pswd for 10 minutes...
It is my firm belief that I would tread on the rights of others to prevent spam. Spam is a cancer of ISPs and most importantly it is god damn annoying!
But the real problem is nigerian 419 spam. Those evil little pygmys have ripped off Americans and other bloats for a while. I think maybe the government should step in and do something about it. Too many old men think they are falling in love with a attractive online retailer entrepreneur and turning into stolen merchandise drop sites and distributors.
When will the government or hacker community do something about it?
It seems that the poster doesn't want a tech job. He seems to want to be a developer. At least that's what I'm taking from their post.
But it would have been wise for the poster to also talk about their job goals a bit too. The best advice anyone here can give his as what to do next is find another job. What can you really say to someone who says that they're when you don't know where they want to go?</quote>
indeed. However, having a strong background in support and break/fix is always a good thing no matter which tech job / dev job your in.
Do like I did, intern for free at a local computer shop for 2 months, prove your worth and get hired. After that, go out and get your A+, its a little overwhelming at first but after you pass the exam you have a piece of paper saying you are worth something in the tech world.
Work at the shop for a year. Take whatever wage they sling you, they will give you a raise as soon as all the customers call up looking to speak to you directly especially if you start managing big accounts.
After you complete your one year with the computer shop and have your A+ Cert combined with your help desk experience you can finally get a real tech job.
Brother, I think you need to rethink your statement
Your argument is flawed, its like bringing up the automobile and computer analogy when it comes to running OS X on a regular x86 PC. You also forget that DRM is control, DRM is bondage and it is god damn annoying.
Stallman is right about DRM, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9IU4zp7mU) it is software malicously created to control the end user. Who really wants big brother rather it be Micro$oft, Apple or EA games to sell the end result of the user's experience with thier software to the highest bidding spammer.
Rethink your argument, little kids should never be brought up at the grown up table.
Why should PC users bother paying for the ability to run an inferior OS?
OS X is very well made pretty Unix boxen. Diddn't you know that Xnu is pretty damn stable? The same thing cannot be said about ntoskrnl. Infact as a computer technician that services all 3 major platforms: Windows, OS X and linux variants; IMHO Windows just breaks! I have see NTFS partitions rendered to CHKDSK horror from a few bad shut dowms. I know that HFS+ Journaled has a tendancy to fuck up permissions all the time however; Fixing HFS+ partitions takes alot less time. As for the linux end of things, i have never really ext3 fuck up much.
As is, I am convincing my customers to adopt Ubuntu to displace this defficit of computing horror known as Windows.
With a hackintosh it is a gamble. sometimes things dont go as planned and hours on IRC can be commonplace. But if you take the gamble, and it Just Works, you have the best desktop Unix boxen on the market.
I run my hack like I did my Intel Mac mini; like a normal user. I mean normal user by, Surfing the web, watching pr0n, playing opensource games, digital camera photos, and etc. I have never had my hack crash or stutter or even hack it with the good old terminal or Single User mode. I am very fortunate.
I dont know about you guys but Im damn proud of my Hackinboxen. Call to arms boys; fuck EFI-X Long live boot-132.
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If this is out before ie9 them microsoftboyz are gunna shit bricks... and multiple pairs of pants.
ZFS has becoming vapor ware since apple announced snow kitty wasnt gunna support it.
I guess we could use reiserFS...
just a thought
Microsoft and all of its previous cohorts / comrades / skinheads / nazis / etc.. have taught us that you can not take a shit with out a law suit. mostly because in the fine print somewhere in that damn eula it says they have already patented the mechanism for shiting. therefor and there hence no shitting; or we sue you.
and we thought just the microsoft boyz were bad...
more to come at 11:00
overheating ??? batteries??? fat file system? lawsuits? patent pending?
who knows...
OSX rulez! it will even get you laid, especially if you have an ssd :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coAep95p5kY
Maybe we should be careful which planets we take pictures of. If star trek ever taught me anything, most xenofolk dont like their picture taken!
the boyz and i have tried to figure out a solution to that same problem. AVG has a linux based rescue cd as well as some other guys, it could easily be adapted to a usb disk
I go commando, how does this help?
This shit wouldnt happen if howard dean was still in office. fuck jim douglas up his hate mongering ass!
Lets see what them bitches do when the got Web 2.0 pointed at them. there will be great scruitney!
Dr. D
Quote:
"OS X will be doomed the day when it runs on generic, buggy on chip hardware like $10 NIC.
If I was any of previous, licensed Mac Clone makers, I would be seriously pissed about Pystar. They were some great machines, Pystar is a complete pirate who distributes software WE (Real Mac users) pay for.
No, Leopard is not a 130 bucks worth OS."
Rebuttal:
As a former Windows Jockey and Journeyman Hackintoshist I have to say that your argument is invalid. Psystar is not pirating Mac OSX. Granted I understand that you feel ripped off because psystar is making unauthorized Macs with generic hardware; thusly giving you the illusion or reality distortion field bullshito that you belive that you cannot buy a full version of OSX. OSX will install even when there is no OSX install on the hard drive. UPGRADE disks require that you have proof of ownership of a prior product to be a candidate for the upgrade. therefor, the real price for a full version of OSX is 129; you cannot deny it in any way shape of form.
"But, but, the Mac hardware pays for OSX R+D!? therefor isnt that the cost of osx?"
WRONG! The price of software is not justified by the price of the hardware it is designed to run on. In other words it is the cost of said software inquestion is what ever your retailer sold it to you for.
The fact of the matter is that Apple's Macs are no different then most regular pcs. Infact, my hackintosh is very closely spec'd like a mini, except mine was cheaper and has a real graphics card... AND I MADE IT. lets compare.
My hackintosh
ECS - 945GCT-M1333
Intel 945 Mobile Express Chipset
Sigmatel Audio
Realtek Lan
DDR2 667Mhz Ram
Intel GMA 950 Onboard
ATI 2600xt PCIE Video
Core2 1.8Ghz
My Mac Mini
Apple Mini Mobo
Intel 945 Mobile Express Chipset
Realtek Audio
Realtek Lan
DDR2 667Mhz Ram
Core2 1.8Ghz
Intel GMA 950 Onboard graphics
I do not see much of a difference, except that my hackintosh is expandable and does everything i need it to do with out fault or consequence.
I have even ran geek bench on this bad boy, look for the results of syst3m 3, thats my hackerdoodle.
Anyways, it would be real nice if someone could mod me up, im sick of typing insiteful things and not getting anything out of it.
Dr. D
I thought these kinda patches come out on tuesday... even for the desprate and insane...
**** it, im installing OSX on my pc. giving up on vista... or maybe one of them leaked Windows 7 Iso's.. something...
Dr. D
well, if it really has to be an apple labled machine why dont they just buy them SATA HDs from apple with the little logo on it and slap that little white apple sticker on the hackintosh? an Apple SATA HD is BLESSED Apple Hardware.
Apple should just make OSX hardware agnostic and save the pc world from dire doom. OSX86 (hardware agnostic OSX) should only be sold to individuals that are tech savy and not warranted with tech support.
It would be nice for apple to open thier OS more and allow us all to run a pretty unix like boxen.
Dr. D
I wish someone would have told me PC's get virus's before I fucked 15 of them.
Dr. D
First off - I do not endorse Psystar for selling hackintoshen, I do not support apple for their franken boxen nor am I a free software zealot.
/.-ers forget that Microsoft is the enememy and we need to support any comunity bringing Unix-likes to the masses. OSX86 does not endorse Psystar because our goals are to make the technical know how available to those whom crave the perversion of hack craft. Also OSX86 aims to make OSX not just exclusive to hackers, because everyone and anyone deserves a chance to run a great stable Unix-like. ANYONE!
Lets get a few things straight about OSX:
1. Its built from the Mach Kernel - its scalable and portable just like any other Unix-like box. Not to mention NeXT was portable to run on non NeXT hardware after sometime.
2. The core utils are Free Software and not as in beer god damn it.
3. OSX is quite hackable, its a really great portable and pretty unix box.
Lets get some facts straight about what Psystar:
1. They are selling a pretty Unix-like box that has the OS hacked a bit.
2. It is not illegal to sell a hackintosh - its just a god damn pretty Unix-like.
3. They have over sized testicles and delulusional dreams of wealth and grandeur.
Lets get some things straight about Apple:
1. They make an OS that they sell in a box - not a cardboard one.
2. Hardware from these folks is really marked up, almost not worth buying from fear of ramen noodles and poverty.
3. Their OS is actually decent and with the right marketing and white box builds could bring *nix to the masses and crush the real evil - Microsoft...
With all of this in mind we can safely deduct this:
Apple cannot take legal action against any entity based on the principle design of Mac OS X. OS X has way too much FSF cancer floating around it in and is just way to easy to hack to make it exclusive to Apple's hardware. Not to mention OS X is is fundementally NeXT Step. Apple should have figured this out during the transition. Infact if Apple made a special version of their OS for regular white boxen, their user base could grow ten fold. But Steve has a problem, its his ego; he forgets that hes not the only one making a good computer, Woz isnt by his side anymore to manufacture and declare the Mac a completely unique system. If Apple really wants to reclaim their OS the only option is to jump to an unknown architechture and be non-compatible to x86 and drop all the nix stuff from it.
Like wise,
The OSX86 Comunity sees the potential for OS X, and reclaims ones desktop, mini-itx, toaster oven and hackinboxen at time from the furious tierney of Windows.
Dr. D
Reminds me of this gadget.
YES THAT IS THE ONE!
Im impressed; i think this sorta case would be best suited for the hackintoshen boxen. just because us boys are allways trying out the latest and greatest to see if it all really just works:)
However, i think foxcon made a case like this. i think brother mark mueller said something about in the upgrading and repairing pc's 17th ediition dvd.
can anyone confirm this?
dr. d
Its a shame all of us Fallout fantaticle folk have been subject to wait so long for this title. Its kinda like when HL 2 was released, them hackerly folks hacked and slashed it and torrented it up on the internets/torrentz. I forsee this to be a rising trend in PC gaming as well as on the console side of things for we are bound to using standard media for console games IE CD/DVDs. this is gunna be another one of those DRM ridden releases if we /. folk are not carefull. DO NOT TELL THE WORLD HORATIO, DO NOT TELL THE WORLD!!!
The real scary thing to consider is that Fallout 3 may be subject to the same BS that HL2 had, steam - a glorified activation front end to be the one DRM to rule them all.
Dr. D
<quote><p>I would tread on the rights of others to prevent spam</p></quote>
<p>Then I am glad you are not in government.</p></quote>
Well, how does your confidence treat you when you DL 4000 emails everyday telling you, "She wants MORE" and buy these pecker-picker-upper pills.
What I ment about treading on the rights of others: We have Dept. Homeland Sec. wire tapping and all that bullshit making sure Kumar isnt gunna blow him self up in the subway. This is done very sketchy by the govt, and it supposedly keeps us safe... NOW! the govt should kinda wire tap emails in a way, find out where the repeat spam offenders are coming from and take em out. If we can shit 2 billion dollars on bagdad we can shit 2 million in finding spam shops and shutting them down, especially the 419 crowd. If the govt has to break into a few out boxes to find out where the spam is coming from, be my guest; I will be the first one to give up my usrname and pswd for 10 minutes...
uh...
Dr. D
It is my firm belief that I would tread on the rights of others to prevent spam. Spam is a cancer of ISPs and most importantly it is god damn annoying!
But the real problem is nigerian 419 spam. Those evil little pygmys have ripped off Americans and other bloats for a while. I think maybe the government should step in and do something about it. Too many old men think they are falling in love with a attractive online retailer entrepreneur and turning into stolen merchandise drop sites and distributors.
When will the government or hacker community do something about it?
Dr. D
It seems that the poster doesn't want a tech job. He seems to want to be a developer. At least that's what I'm taking from their post.
But it would have been wise for the poster to also talk about their job goals a bit too. The best advice anyone here can give his as what to do next is find another job. What can you really say to someone who says that they're when you don't know where they want to go?</quote>
indeed. However, having a strong background in support and break/fix is always a good thing no matter which tech job / dev job your in.
Dr. D
Do like I did, intern for free at a local computer shop for 2 months, prove your worth and get hired. After that, go out and get your A+, its a little overwhelming at first but after you pass the exam you have a piece of paper saying you are worth something in the tech world.
Work at the shop for a year. Take whatever wage they sling you, they will give you a raise as soon as all the customers call up looking to speak to you directly especially if you start managing big accounts.
After you complete your one year with the computer shop and have your A+ Cert combined with your help desk experience you can finally get a real tech job.
or start selling hackintoshes....
Dr. D
Brother, I think you need to rethink your statement
Your argument is flawed, its like bringing up the automobile and computer analogy when it comes to running OS X on a regular x86 PC. You also forget that DRM is control, DRM is bondage and it is god damn annoying.
Stallman is right about DRM, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9IU4zp7mU) it is software malicously created to control the end user. Who really wants big brother rather it be Micro$oft, Apple or EA games to sell the end result of the user's experience with thier software to the highest bidding spammer.
Rethink your argument, little kids should never be brought up at the grown up table.
Dr. D
-Little john - "WHHWAT? -1 troll!
Why should PC users bother paying for the ability to run an inferior OS?
OS X is very well made pretty Unix boxen. Diddn't you know that Xnu is pretty damn stable? The same thing cannot be said about ntoskrnl. Infact as a computer technician that services all 3 major platforms: Windows, OS X and linux variants; IMHO Windows just breaks! I have see NTFS partitions rendered to CHKDSK horror from a few bad shut dowms. I know that HFS+ Journaled has a tendancy to fuck up permissions all the time however; Fixing HFS+ partitions takes alot less time. As for the linux end of things, i have never really ext3 fuck up much.
As is, I am convincing my customers to adopt Ubuntu to displace this defficit of computing horror known as Windows.
With a hackintosh it is a gamble. sometimes things dont go as planned and hours on IRC can be commonplace. But if you take the gamble, and it Just Works, you have the best desktop Unix boxen on the market.
I run my hack like I did my Intel Mac mini; like a normal user. I mean normal user by, Surfing the web, watching pr0n, playing opensource games, digital camera photos, and etc. I have never had my hack crash or stutter or even hack it with the good old terminal or Single User mode. I am very fortunate.
I dont know about you guys but Im damn proud of my Hackinboxen. Call to arms boys; fuck EFI-X Long live boot-132.
Dr. D