And where did you get THAT not so humble opinion ? Do you have any experience with IRIX ?
i got that NSHO from using irix.
ok...in case no one actually read my comment, NEVER did i say that you should go trash an Indy by putting linux on it. Irix is a niche OS. I will never run a database on it. I will never run a webserver on it. I will never run a nfs server or NIS or sendmail or any other of quite a number of apps.
What good is Irix then? Graphics. Pure and simple. But i understate that. Irix isn't "good" at rendering or real-time antialiasing, or what have you. Irix is the BEST at it. Additionally because it's being done on SGI hardware. Linux doesn't get that advantage. No one built hardware from the ground up and said - "This is it! we have designed blah blah blah specifically for linux"
For what my friend does. Irix is it. there is no better OS. end of conversation. For what i do. Linux or FBSD is probably the best. end of conversation. When it comes to graphics, i've heard or seen NOTHING bad about SGI's and i will continue to praise them. When it comes to servers for anything else....that's another story.
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this is going to bring a LOT of people over to linux.
case in point: i've got a friend doing some high level 3d modeling using apps like Maya and SoftImage on his SGI Indigo2. I asked him (faceciously) why he didn't blow away IRIX on that box and go with linux, which is, IMNSHO a signifigantly better OS than IRIX. He told me it was basically because ther was almost a non-existant amount of graphics support for linux.
Up till now i would have agreed with him. But with the recent ports of toonz, maya, and now 3DSM, that's all changing. There are a ton of people out there who no longer have any excuse to stick with windows (Irix yes, windows no). While 3d in linux does have a little ways to go...this is a gigantic step in the right direction.
Now it's time to sit back and watch how this affects NAN.
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It's very smart of governments around the world to begin to take away people's civil liberties quickly, and before the entire population of the world is online.
Why are they trying to get it done so quickly?
So when EVERYONE and their mother is online, the won't know the difference betwixt the (non-existant) privacy they have now, and the privacy people used to enjoy years ago.
Now is pretty much the time to get our asses in gear and make a statement that we will not tolerate this kind of flagrant violation of our civil liberties. Anyone else remember anything about illegal search and seizure? Write your congressmen, vote...and most importantly - VOTE WITH YOUR POCKETBOOK! This is the online equivalent of the FBI or whomever basically just coming into your home and looking through your shit while you're not there. The only difference is most people don't know enough right now to care. CHANGE THAT! MAKE PEOPLE AWARE!
I, for one, am making PGP a standard. (Apologies for the US specific references....you all get the point).
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
ironically your last argument is more relavant than you think. Recent court rulings/laws have shown that most artists contracts put them somewhere along the lines of workers for hire. all those artists you listen to? most of them don't own the copyrights to their music...their labels do.
as far as the Monks are concerned. I suppose my view is slightly different on the concept of royalties. If you write a song, and you own the copyright. No, it should not be illegal for your fans to publicly trade your music. However, another company making money off of your music is a slightly different matter. The logic there is that someone is making money off of it, and it's "your" music...so you should get a piece of the action. While the vast majority of our IP system is kludged together, i would say that i would generally agree with the system of royalties. I am not going to take a musicians music for free and then try to resell it for a quick buck. That has nothing to do with IP or copyrights, that's just a fucked up thing to do.
But when we're talking about Napster, or gnutella, or any similar program, things get a little bit strange. We're talking about a product that, by the end of the year is projected to have over 70 million users. I think the public has just spoken on what they think of free music.
Now if only the government would stop trying to save us from ourselves.
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take away people's rights inch by inch and, in the long run, they won't know what the hell happened.
So are you suggesting that everybody should be prevented from photographing you if you are in a public place, or just goverment organisations?
neither. your argument is too black and white. These cameras, and the inet logging, are just plain infringements on public well being. To say something on the order of "well if the gov't can't take pictures, then no one should be allowed to" is just plain argumentative and has no basis in reality.
I'm sure that these cameras have helped solve many serious crimes...but my original point still stands. I would rather have freedom and insecurity than the knowledge that i'm safe because big brother is watching your and my every move. - when that happens we'll be just as unsafe as we were before.
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
The UK has always been a little bit more "security" inclined when it comes to the general populous.
I remember a special that noted on many street corners in the UK, there are surveilance cameras guarding against criminal activity. There are, in fact, thousands of these cameras all around the Britain. I suppose this data-snooping is just another step in the general direction the UK, if not the world, is taking.
I seem to remember a quote: "Those who give up freedom for security get neither freedom nor security"
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
So what your saying is that if you want to make a living doing what you love (ie music) then your not a "REAL" msuician?
you're twisting my words....very ingenious of you. No, wanting to get paid for doing what you live is fine. I love computers, and i get paid to screw around with them...good for me. But if i compromised my principles to make money like oh so many musicians do (read: metallica) then that is pretty much correct.
ask your sister if she would have gotten a degree in vocal performance if it was guaranteed that she would not be able to make money doing it.
lmfao! you wanna talk to my sister and ask her what the odds are of actually making a living off a degree in vocal performance. Let's just say she knew going in that it was going to be almost impossible to be a true "professional" singer. Not quite guaranteed, but then again, nothing is.
The point is this...recorded music should be free. Because IP is BS, and the signal to noise ratio can't get any lower than it already is, so you can't argue that bands would have less chance of making it in a Napster-esque world...they've already got about nil. You can try to villify me in any way you want. He's an asshole communistic anti-capitalist bastart! - well, i guess i am.
But when the time comes, and recorded music is free...i'll be one of the first to support musicians out of my own pocket. Now go buy something off copyleft and support Open Source too!
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
would you like an empiracle study done? I don't have the links to these figures, the first was from a study and is widely regarded as truth. If you choose to believe that the Earth is flat, i cannot give you immediate proof that it is not, so it must be flat.
How are older musicians supposed to make money? The same way my grandmother makes money. She saved when she was younger. She gets help from social security. Musicians are like any other profession...i certainly give them no special treatment.
The Beatles can't tour any more since Lennon is dead, but surely the other three deserve money for the recordings? How will these be funded?
you DO realize that the beatles are some of the richest men in the UK don't you. Your argument here is moot because you assume that the remaining Beatles deserve money for work they did 30 years ago. I do not.
Name an artistically significant concert which has happened in the last fifty years (hint: Woodstock wasn't)
artistically signifigant? Well, if art does what it's supposed to do (read: impact people's lives) then i would have to say: The possum Dixon Concert i attended 4 years ago. The Beck concert i went to. Fuck - the last show Nirvana played in denver. You're trying to argue about an abstract concept. It doesn't work for the same reasons that an argument about whether blue or red is a better color.
You did know that the average classical record costs $500,000 to record, didn't you? Where does that fit into your little scheme?
who pays for that? THE LABEL!!!! why do you think the label takes so much cash for every CD sold. They pay for the hidden costs.
As for the details about why this shit costs so much. It's like i said....SEE IT LIVE! if you can't...you should be able to get a free copy of the music, perhaps bootlegged.
Maybe i write a really good shell script for my company. Maybe i code a bit of C that is still being used by my company. 20 years from now does my company owe me a royalty if they're still using that script?
Everyone else gets paid based on what they DO, not what they make. Why should musicians be any different?
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
no. films are a little bit of a different creature. A) they cost signifigantly more to produce and therefore people are willing to pay for that. (good for us). B)Films aren't the same as music in the respect that Das Boot can't be made again and again live.
I have probably seen more concerts thant the vast majority of slashdot readers. Why? Because music was meant to be performed live, and i am willing to support bands that i enjoy listening to in that fashion. I will pay for a service, just as i would to see a play. The problem is that artists think they can get buy with writing music alone. Back before recorded music, minstrels or orchestras, or any other PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS would get paid to play for an audience. That was how they made their money. And honestly, that's the way it should be.
but if there is no real incentive for artists to create, they won't.
that's bullshit. Do you think my sister got a degree in vocal performance because that's where the money is? Hell no. She did it for the same reasons that, when i go home, i pick up my guitar and play. Sometimes they're songs i wrote, sometimes they're not, it doesn't matter. My sister and i both play/sing because it's in our hearts. Musical creation is a part of us, without it, we are incomplete. I don't have the illusion that i will ever become famous, or make a single dollar off of anything that i have written. And if you ask any REAL musician whether or not they'd still be playing if all music were free...and they'd give you a resounding "hell yeah!"
The good ones don't play to make money, they play to play. Music is not a means to an end. It is an end unto itself.
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
it makes me think that the old days of requiring property ownership before you can vote weren't such a bad idea.
$20 says your a republican. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. That's a bullshit way to do things, and i won't give up my mp3's because of the recording gentry. It seems to me that this has been a long time coming. Music should be free. Yes, of course the artists have a right to make a living off their music, that's what they do. So go to their concerts, buy a fscking t-shirt. Do whatever it is that you do to support them. But let's not hear some bullshit schpiel about how Napster is killing the music industry. (fuck, are people still making music now days?) The artists get something on the order of 12 cents for every album that's sold, the rest goes to the label, the A&R guys, and the promoters. Personally, i'd be willing to pay 12 cents a download if the oh so wise author of the fucking thong song decided that's the way he wanted to play it. (Thank you Sisqo you brainless twit)
The point is that napster isn't going to destroy the record industry. If anything, it's making the RIAA and their cohorts richer. (Read: %80 of all napster users go out and BUY CD's of the bands they download).
what sickens me are the people who justify their actions by rationalizations like "music should be about the art, not about money." Well, to those people I say that it's nice of you to make the decision for the artist.
sorry, but that's society's decision in the first place. Maybe i like to dance around in my underwear singing show tunes in the middle of downtown Denver. You think it's up to me to decide if i should be paid for that? I'm sorry bud, but art is art. If people like it, they'll pay for it one way or another. If people want it for free, i've got two choices. Continue to do it because i love doing it, or get a new line of work. I say the same to the bands out there who are so poor and misunderstood by the rest of the general public. Why? Because if a band is just in it for the money anymore, that makes them SELLOUTS - and personally, i'd like to see them broke and homeless.
Now go listen to some Pavement before your brain explodes!
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
hear me out here: Another principle is that the more advanced a social structure gets, the more able it is to kill in larger numbers. Humans now have nuclear weapons, we are currently capable of wiping out most every organism on the planet aside from cocroaches and 'nsnyc.
what this leads to is the "bigger trigger" effect. A friend of mine once said "there is no learning curve with nuclear weapons" - and he was right. Perhaps when the US was the only country in the world with the bomb, we knew we could detonoate it without fear of retaliation. However, i'd personally like to see what happened if we decided to return to Hiroshima or Nagasaki for a second honeymoon. Kabloom, the population of the earth goes from ~6billion to 372,000 in a matter of a day or two.
It can be inferred that another race of beings with technology that, to us, is indistinguishable from magic (figuratively speaking) Would have either A)Learned this lesson early or B)Killed themselves. Why? Because any race of beings that is capable of interstellar travel, perhaps harnessing wormholes, etc. has probably got a "bigger trigger."
That's why i think it's almost a complete certainty that a race of beings visiting us from a galaxy millions of light years away is either going to be super nice, or dead.
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
this whole cybersquatting thing has gotten WAY outta hand. Now we're talking about cybersquatting on domain names based off books in the bible?
who's got a right to sue this guy? God? I say, let's figure this out the only way one could in a situation like this...if god doesn't want him to have the domain name, he'll shove a lightning bolt up his arse!
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
Europe would begin infighting becuase they couldn't bitch at the US for thinking the internet revolves around them. They would be forced to speak of "fat, lazy Uzbeckistanians"
India would become the most populous nation on the face of the earth because they couldn't export DBA's and developers to the U.S. anymore (note: this in fact leads to computers made of bamboo and "cowtops")
Iran and Iraq, unhindered by the pesky UN, combine to form a single country, Irate
And, DEAR GOD, NO MORE SLASHDOT?!?!?!?!
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
i always liked to believe that E.T. are waiting for humans to get our shit together. I'm not so certain that technology is the only thing preventing us from getting in touch with our "neighbors".
Why in gods name would an almost certainly enlightened race of beings want to have anything to do with a group of bipedal assholes who fight over little sections of dirt, or whether or not one group of bipedal assholes is slightly more tan than another group of bipedal assholes.
i'm sure that, if someone is watching us, they're thinking the same thing 2 rich white guys think when they talk about going to Compton "i'm not going there! i'd probably get my ass shot at!"
besides - what would the followers of Pat Robertson do when they find out that humans aren't Gods special little creatures?!?!(Which we aren't BTW - it's pretty fscking dumb to believe that, in a nearly infinite universe, organisms here on Earth are the only ones that are self-aware).
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
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FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
i have always like the Lycaeum for stuff like this. It's also got some funny anecdotes about specific drugs including Caffeine, for interested parties.
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
so we've got a company that's going out of business basically saying "oh, and you have to sign this contract before you buy this information!"
ummm...who the *FUCK* is gonna uphold this contract? The government? That's laugable. Toysmart? Sure, and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped!
What the government should have done is simply NOT OKed these type of sales. Not only does the current one scare me, but the precedent it sets doesn't exactly bode well for consumers. Oh well - i don't think that will stop me from giving out honest and accurate information in the future. After all, i wouldn't want to lie
Sincerely,
Satan McDevil 666 Antichrist Blvd. Pensacola, Fl. 66666 Turn-on's: Stealing souls, Mayhem, Madness, and furry little puppies Turn-offs: Attitude, Sass, Jesus, Sell-outs. Has also purchased: Handspring Visor, Sony VAIO products, Propecia, The Switchblade Comb(TM), and G.W. Bush's soul.
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
idunno. I think what's interesting about the OLGA isn't necessarily the precedent it sets, but the model it should be seen as.
Get this, harmony central has quite a large database of tabs from the OLGA. They've managed to stay open for business throughout this mess. What's that mean? This kind of information can't be shut down - and those that try only make themselves look foolish. Unfortunate as it is, there will always be victories for those who feel that everything should be bought and sold at the prices they themselves have set. But those victories are becoming fewer and farther between....I have to say that I look at the good side of the OLGA. Even though it's a shadow of its former self at harmony-central. It's still there. And IMNSHO, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg (metaphor, titanic, etc.)
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
i think it's a question of working for a company that uses the kind of tactics that M$ uses. I used to know a couple of people that worked for Microsoft. And to be honest, they weren't greedy assholes who just counted dollars all day. They were normal people, just like you and I.
But the question is....would you work for a company that has the reputation and policies that Microsoft does? - In addition, would you work for a company that makes a poor product like Microsoft does?
Personally, If my company bullied the competition because of its status, altered industry standards to make sure they "broke" on other operating systems and was, in general, looked down upon by the whole of the american public (everyone i know seems to want to scream "windows sucks!")....I would have to say that i would have a hard time justifying my employment at a company like that.
FluX After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
naw - you're not a heretic. and perhaps these things aren't important to you. In all honesty, the kid that goes and picks up the new Marylin Manson album, or the baby boomer that gets the latest Cat Stevens album doesn't care.
I myself am a musician and a HUGE fan of alot of the older stuff. Blues, Jazz, Classic Rock, etc. - I can hear the difference...most people can't. And that's all well and good. Like i said, you may not hear it, you may not care. For me, the details are just as important in establishing the "voice" of the music. For the vast majority of the schlock (and not-so-schlock) listening public...there's no difference.
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FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
And where did you get THAT not so humble opinion ? Do you have any experience with IRIX ?
i got that NSHO from using irix.
ok...in case no one actually read my comment, NEVER did i say that you should go trash an Indy by putting linux on it. Irix is a niche OS. I will never run a database on it. I will never run a webserver on it. I will never run a nfs server or NIS or sendmail or any other of quite a number of apps.
What good is Irix then? Graphics. Pure and simple. But i understate that. Irix isn't "good" at rendering or real-time antialiasing, or what have you. Irix is the BEST at it. Additionally because it's being done on SGI hardware. Linux doesn't get that advantage. No one built hardware from the ground up and said - "This is it! we have designed blah blah blah specifically for linux"
For what my friend does. Irix is it. there is no better OS. end of conversation. For what i do. Linux or FBSD is probably the best. end of conversation. When it comes to graphics, i've heard or seen NOTHING bad about SGI's and i will continue to praise them. When it comes to servers for anything else....that's another story.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
this is going to bring a LOT of people over to linux.
case in point: i've got a friend doing some high level 3d modeling using apps like Maya and SoftImage on his SGI Indigo2. I asked him (faceciously) why he didn't blow away IRIX on that box and go with linux, which is, IMNSHO a signifigantly better OS than IRIX. He told me it was basically because ther was almost a non-existant amount of graphics support for linux.
Up till now i would have agreed with him. But with the recent ports of toonz, maya, and now 3DSM, that's all changing. There are a ton of people out there who no longer have any excuse to stick with windows (Irix yes, windows no). While 3d in linux does have a little ways to go...this is a gigantic step in the right direction.
Now it's time to sit back and watch how this affects NAN.
FluX
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c'mon people! let's take risks....we need to start sending manned missions to places like Mars and Pluto.
;-)
i got an idea on how we can fix the problem of overcrowded prisons
mitnick in space: coming to theatres this fall.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
It's very smart of governments around the world to begin to take away people's civil liberties quickly, and before the entire population of the world is online.
Why are they trying to get it done so quickly?
So when EVERYONE and their mother is online, the won't know the difference betwixt the (non-existant) privacy they have now, and the privacy people used to enjoy years ago.
Now is pretty much the time to get our asses in gear and make a statement that we will not tolerate this kind of flagrant violation of our civil liberties. Anyone else remember anything about illegal search and seizure? Write your congressmen, vote...and most importantly - VOTE WITH YOUR POCKETBOOK! This is the online equivalent of the FBI or whomever basically just coming into your home and looking through your shit while you're not there. The only difference is most people don't know enough right now to care. CHANGE THAT! MAKE PEOPLE AWARE!
I, for one, am making PGP a standard. (Apologies for the US specific references....you all get the point).
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
ironically your last argument is more relavant than you think. Recent court rulings/laws have shown that most artists contracts put them somewhere along the lines of workers for hire. all those artists you listen to? most of them don't own the copyrights to their music...their labels do.
as far as the Monks are concerned. I suppose my view is slightly different on the concept of royalties. If you write a song, and you own the copyright. No, it should not be illegal for your fans to publicly trade your music. However, another company making money off of your music is a slightly different matter. The logic there is that someone is making money off of it, and it's "your" music...so you should get a piece of the action. While the vast majority of our IP system is kludged together, i would say that i would generally agree with the system of royalties. I am not going to take a musicians music for free and then try to resell it for a quick buck. That has nothing to do with IP or copyrights, that's just a fucked up thing to do.
But when we're talking about Napster, or gnutella, or any similar program, things get a little bit strange. We're talking about a product that, by the end of the year is projected to have over 70 million users. I think the public has just spoken on what they think of free music.
Now if only the government would stop trying to save us from ourselves.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
take away people's rights inch by inch and, in the long run, they won't know what the hell happened.
So are you suggesting that everybody should be prevented from photographing you if you are in a public place, or just goverment organisations?
neither. your argument is too black and white. These cameras, and the inet logging, are just plain infringements on public well being. To say something on the order of "well if the gov't can't take pictures, then no one should be allowed to" is just plain argumentative and has no basis in reality.
I'm sure that these cameras have helped solve many serious crimes...but my original point still stands. I would rather have freedom and insecurity than the knowledge that i'm safe because big brother is watching your and my every move. - when that happens we'll be just as unsafe as we were before.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
The UK has always been a little bit more "security" inclined when it comes to the general populous.
I remember a special that noted on many street corners in the UK, there are surveilance cameras guarding against criminal activity. There are, in fact, thousands of these cameras all around the Britain. I suppose this data-snooping is just another step in the general direction the UK, if not the world, is taking.
I seem to remember a quote: "Those who give up freedom for security get neither freedom nor security"
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
So what your saying is that if you want to make a living doing what you love (ie music) then your not a "REAL" msuician?
you're twisting my words....very ingenious of you. No, wanting to get paid for doing what you live is fine. I love computers, and i get paid to screw around with them...good for me. But if i compromised my principles to make money like oh so many musicians do (read: metallica) then that is pretty much correct.
ask your sister if she would have gotten a degree in vocal performance if it was guaranteed that she would not be able to make money doing it.
lmfao! you wanna talk to my sister and ask her what the odds are of actually making a living off a degree in vocal performance. Let's just say she knew going in that it was going to be almost impossible to be a true "professional" singer. Not quite guaranteed, but then again, nothing is.
The point is this...recorded music should be free. Because IP is BS, and the signal to noise ratio can't get any lower than it already is, so you can't argue that bands would have less chance of making it in a Napster-esque world...they've already got about nil. You can try to villify me in any way you want. He's an asshole communistic anti-capitalist bastart! - well, i guess i am.
But when the time comes, and recorded music is free...i'll be one of the first to support musicians out of my own pocket. Now go buy something off copyleft and support Open Source too!
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
Should all software be free?
hehe....yup! The good software already is.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
Proof please?
would you like an empiracle study done? I don't have the links to these figures, the first was from a study and is widely regarded as truth. If you choose to believe that the Earth is flat, i cannot give you immediate proof that it is not, so it must be flat.
How are older musicians supposed to make money? The same way my grandmother makes money. She saved when she was younger. She gets help from social security. Musicians are like any other profession...i certainly give them no special treatment.
The Beatles can't tour any more since Lennon is dead, but surely the other three deserve money for the recordings? How will these be funded?
you DO realize that the beatles are some of the richest men in the UK don't you. Your argument here is moot because you assume that the remaining Beatles deserve money for work they did 30 years ago. I do not.
Name an artistically significant concert which has happened in the last fifty years (hint: Woodstock wasn't)
artistically signifigant? Well, if art does what it's supposed to do (read: impact people's lives) then i would have to say: The possum Dixon Concert i attended 4 years ago. The Beck concert i went to. Fuck - the last show Nirvana played in denver. You're trying to argue about an abstract concept. It doesn't work for the same reasons that an argument about whether blue or red is a better color.
You did know that the average classical record costs $500,000 to record, didn't you? Where does that fit into your little scheme?
who pays for that? THE LABEL!!!! why do you think the label takes so much cash for every CD sold. They pay for the hidden costs.
As for the details about why this shit costs so much. It's like i said....SEE IT LIVE! if you can't...you should be able to get a free copy of the music, perhaps bootlegged.
Maybe i write a really good shell script for my company. Maybe i code a bit of C that is still being used by my company. 20 years from now does my company owe me a royalty if they're still using that script?
Everyone else gets paid based on what they DO, not what they make. Why should musicians be any different?
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
no. films are a little bit of a different creature. A) they cost signifigantly more to produce and therefore people are willing to pay for that. (good for us). B)Films aren't the same as music in the respect that Das Boot can't be made again and again live.
I have probably seen more concerts thant the vast majority of slashdot readers. Why? Because music was meant to be performed live, and i am willing to support bands that i enjoy listening to in that fashion. I will pay for a service, just as i would to see a play. The problem is that artists think they can get buy with writing music alone. Back before recorded music, minstrels or orchestras, or any other PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS would get paid to play for an audience. That was how they made their money. And honestly, that's the way it should be.
but if there is no real incentive for artists to create, they won't.
that's bullshit. Do you think my sister got a degree in vocal performance because that's where the money is? Hell no. She did it for the same reasons that, when i go home, i pick up my guitar and play. Sometimes they're songs i wrote, sometimes they're not, it doesn't matter. My sister and i both play/sing because it's in our hearts. Musical creation is a part of us, without it, we are incomplete. I don't have the illusion that i will ever become famous, or make a single dollar off of anything that i have written. And if you ask any REAL musician whether or not they'd still be playing if all music were free...and they'd give you a resounding "hell yeah!"
The good ones don't play to make money, they play to play. Music is not a means to an end. It is an end unto itself.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
it makes me think that the old days of requiring property ownership before you can vote weren't such a bad idea.
$20 says your a republican. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. That's a bullshit way to do things, and i won't give up my mp3's because of the recording gentry. It seems to me that this has been a long time coming. Music should be free. Yes, of course the artists have a right to make a living off their music, that's what they do. So go to their concerts, buy a fscking t-shirt. Do whatever it is that you do to support them. But let's not hear some bullshit schpiel about how Napster is killing the music industry. (fuck, are people still making music now days?) The artists get something on the order of 12 cents for every album that's sold, the rest goes to the label, the A&R guys, and the promoters. Personally, i'd be willing to pay 12 cents a download if the oh so wise author of the fucking thong song decided that's the way he wanted to play it. (Thank you Sisqo you brainless twit)
The point is that napster isn't going to destroy the record industry. If anything, it's making the RIAA and their cohorts richer. (Read: %80 of all napster users go out and BUY CD's of the bands they download).
what sickens me are the people who justify their actions by rationalizations like "music should be about the art, not about money." Well, to those people I say that it's nice of you to make the decision for the artist.
sorry, but that's society's decision in the first place. Maybe i like to dance around in my underwear singing show tunes in the middle of downtown Denver. You think it's up to me to decide if i should be paid for that? I'm sorry bud, but art is art. If people like it, they'll pay for it one way or another. If people want it for free, i've got two choices. Continue to do it because i love doing it, or get a new line of work. I say the same to the bands out there who are so poor and misunderstood by the rest of the general public. Why? Because if a band is just in it for the money anymore, that makes them SELLOUTS - and personally, i'd like to see them broke and homeless.
Now go listen to some Pavement before your brain explodes!
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
hear me out here: Another principle is that the more advanced a social structure gets, the more able it is to kill in larger numbers. Humans now have nuclear weapons, we are currently capable of wiping out most every organism on the planet aside from cocroaches and 'nsnyc.
what this leads to is the "bigger trigger" effect. A friend of mine once said "there is no learning curve with nuclear weapons" - and he was right. Perhaps when the US was the only country in the world with the bomb, we knew we could detonoate it without fear of retaliation. However, i'd personally like to see what happened if we decided to return to Hiroshima or Nagasaki for a second honeymoon. Kabloom, the population of the earth goes from ~6billion to 372,000 in a matter of a day or two.
It can be inferred that another race of beings with technology that, to us, is indistinguishable from magic (figuratively speaking) Would have either A)Learned this lesson early or B)Killed themselves. Why? Because any race of beings that is capable of interstellar travel, perhaps harnessing wormholes, etc. has probably got a "bigger trigger."
That's why i think it's almost a complete certainty that a race of beings visiting us from a galaxy millions of light years away is either going to be super nice, or dead.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
this whole cybersquatting thing has gotten WAY outta hand. Now we're talking about cybersquatting on domain names based off books in the bible?
who's got a right to sue this guy? God? I say, let's figure this out the only way one could in a situation like this...if god doesn't want him to have the domain name, he'll shove a lightning bolt up his arse!
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
And, DEAR GOD, NO MORE SLASHDOT?!?!?!?!
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
i always liked to believe that E.T. are waiting for humans to get our shit together. I'm not so certain that technology is the only thing preventing us from getting in touch with our "neighbors".
Why in gods name would an almost certainly enlightened race of beings want to have anything to do with a group of bipedal assholes who fight over little sections of dirt, or whether or not one group of bipedal assholes is slightly more tan than another group of bipedal assholes.
i'm sure that, if someone is watching us, they're thinking the same thing 2 rich white guys think when they talk about going to Compton "i'm not going there! i'd probably get my ass shot at!"
besides - what would the followers of Pat Robertson do when they find out that humans aren't Gods special little creatures?!?!(Which we aren't BTW - it's pretty fscking dumb to believe that, in a nearly infinite universe, organisms here on Earth are the only ones that are self-aware).
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
this is bomb why i grenade try to bamboozle the iran FBI or CIA at every internation terrorism turn.
if they assasination have too much stuff president to sort through, then they'll sadam hussien never catch up.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
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FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
i have always like the Lycaeum for stuff like this. It's also got some funny anecdotes about specific drugs including Caffeine, for interested parties.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
so we've got a company that's going out of business basically saying "oh, and you have to sign this contract before you buy this information!"
ummm...who the *FUCK* is gonna uphold this contract? The government? That's laugable. Toysmart? Sure, and if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped!
What the government should have done is simply NOT OKed these type of sales. Not only does the current one scare me, but the precedent it sets doesn't exactly bode well for consumers. Oh well - i don't think that will stop me from giving out honest and accurate information in the future. After all, i wouldn't want to lie
Sincerely,
Satan McDevil
666 Antichrist Blvd.
Pensacola, Fl. 66666
Turn-on's: Stealing souls, Mayhem, Madness, and furry little puppies
Turn-offs: Attitude, Sass, Jesus, Sell-outs.
Has also purchased: Handspring Visor, Sony VAIO products, Propecia, The Switchblade Comb(TM), and G.W. Bush's soul.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
idunno. I think what's interesting about the OLGA isn't necessarily the precedent it sets, but the model it should be seen as.
Get this, harmony central has quite a large database of tabs from the OLGA. They've managed to stay open for business throughout this mess. What's that mean? This kind of information can't be shut down - and those that try only make themselves look foolish. Unfortunate as it is, there will always be victories for those who feel that everything should be bought and sold at the prices they themselves have set. But those victories are becoming fewer and farther between....I have to say that I look at the good side of the OLGA. Even though it's a shadow of its former self at harmony-central. It's still there. And IMNSHO, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg (metaphor, titanic, etc.)
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
i think it's a question of working for a company that uses the kind of tactics that M$ uses. I used to know a couple of people that worked for Microsoft. And to be honest, they weren't greedy assholes who just counted dollars all day. They were normal people, just like you and I.
But the question is....would you work for a company that has the reputation and policies that Microsoft does? - In addition, would you work for a company that makes a poor product like Microsoft does?
Personally, If my company bullied the competition because of its status, altered industry standards to make sure they "broke" on other operating systems and was, in general, looked down upon by the whole of the american public (everyone i know seems to want to scream "windows sucks!")....I would have to say that i would have a hard time justifying my employment at a company like that.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
naw - you're not a heretic. and perhaps these things aren't important to you. In all honesty, the kid that goes and picks up the new Marylin Manson album, or the baby boomer that gets the latest Cat Stevens album doesn't care.
I myself am a musician and a HUGE fan of alot of the older stuff. Blues, Jazz, Classic Rock, etc. - I can hear the difference...most people can't. And that's all well and good. Like i said, you may not hear it, you may not care. For me, the details are just as important in establishing the "voice" of the music. For the vast majority of the schlock (and not-so-schlock) listening public...there's no difference.
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network
lemme put it this way.
;-)
CD: you hear John Lee Hooker playing a muted E7
Vinyl: you can hear John Lee Hooker's hand muting the strings coming off the pickups just before he plays that muted E7
FluX
After 16 years, MTV has finally completed its deevolution into the shiny things network