Reporter: Gov. Bush - what do you think about the banning of DeCSS reverse engineering publishing in the united states
Gov. Bush: What the people need is a REAL reformer...not some Viet Nam degenerate.
Reporter: But Gov. Bush - do you have any views on DeCSS or the GPL, specifically relating to freedom of speech or software copywrite laws?
Gov. Bush: See, that's what i'm talking about (reveals that shit eating grin of his)...people need a real leader...someone with a RECORD of reform...that's me. I'm your man.
Reporter: So...Mr. Bush, would it be fair to say you're a fucking idiot when it comes to any issue other than reform.
Gov. Bush: Just look what i've done in Texas. It's clear to everyone who the stronger candidate is...who the LEADER is.
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I have to agree with you that MegaTF is the best quake mod out there - but what killed MegaTF is Half-Life...i know people that play TFC that don't even friggin' know there were two TF mods before it. It saddens me to know that we're coming into an age where FPS players give no respect to wolfenstein, doom, and of course, Quake.
Live and learn. It was about time they released the source to quake - but if it's going to be GPLed, it needs to stay GPLed..none of this proprietary BS. I sincerely hope this goes to court...in the best of all possible worlds the open source community can use it to set a legal precedent for the GPL (who better to do it than the company that brought you Quake, hehe).
-FluX
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AMD is making doing better and better because their chips are getting better and better. I used a K6 back when no average user had ever heard of AMD. Now the athalon is all the rage. people are using these chips because they're DAMNED GOOD, not because intel's chips are crappy - that's just a perk:)
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god i love the hunt for red october...but here's the point:
What most linux advocates seem to overlook is this, linux's popularity will be a double edged sword. FACT: for linux to get extremely popular, it will have to be very user friendly. This means that products like KDE and GNOME will become the paradigm. Plug and Play will be a must. This is going to be a huge problem for people who, like myself, like things to be "really hard."
I'm a guy who likes to break stuff and then figure out how to fix it. I like to delve into complex problems that don't have a single solution. 99.9% of the people using any piece of software don't. YES - even the majority of linux users. The sad truth is that the masses of linux users out there use linux because it's the HIP new OS on the block. They flame those who say linux isn't perfect because they're afraid to discuss what's wrong with it, or because they don't KNOW enough to debate the mater.
FACT: if linux is to keep its underground hacker ethic and overall complexity, it will never become an overwhelmingly mainstream product. You can't have your cake and eat it too my friends. this is a sad but unavoidable fact of life. It's either user friendly or it's not. Because when stuff breaks - Joe Schmoe isn't going to want the techie on the other end of the phone line dictating vi commands to him. That makes Joe feel dumb - and he isn't going to stick with a product that makes him feel dumb.
The point is this: You must decide - is linux going to be an incredibly popular/user friendly OS. or is it going to stay underground and highly technical? You can argue that it can be both, but i ask you to name another OS that is as nearly as popular as Windows with the complexity of a *nix based OS (if your answer ends in "inux" then you're one of the aformentioned hipsters who REALLY doesn't know d!ck about market share).
Myself...i'd like to see linux stay right where it is. On the fringe. The great majority of the world can stick with MacOS or Windows....that doesn't mean they're stupid or that they're lemmings. It just means they've opted for ease of use. Me? I feel like it's time to break something again.
There is one problem however. You're forgetting the biggest piece of the software puzzle: R&D. This costs insane amounts of money (more so than any other facet of production.) I do believe software should be free, however. I also realize that it's never going to happen in this lifetime. To make really good products you have to have the cash to develop those products. Example: ID develops quake - makes money. I can guarantee we'd all still be playing pong if the folks at ID thought that they weren't going to get paid for their efforts. Just like linus, these people have houses, cars, and families to support.
Besides - if one isn't making money, how can one afford the GeForce for screaming framerates??no, it can't all be free - they tried that in russia
Most serious people don't use Photoshop or 3dStudio either. They're running Irix boxes with SoftImage and Maya. My fscking kid brother uses photoshop to cut peoples heads out and stick 'em on other people's bodies. He can do it for $800, i can do it for free:P
Warez for linux: where you can get for free what you otherwise wouldn't have to pay for.
Linux will never replace windows on the desktop, but that's o.k. It is meant for other things
Ummmmmm...so..when linus built his OS, he was thinking about running an Apache server out of his garage???? Personally, i hope linux never does replace windows on the desktop. Some want to see it take over the world with little realization of what changes take place when you're the big man on campus. Five years from now we could see people talking tremendous amounts of shit about Linux vs. Some other OS (BSD users already do).
Let's do a little math - if Windows is running on approx. 25% of all webservers out there - and MacOS is a virtually nonexistant providor, then we must conclude that darn near 75% of the web servers on the net are using some form of *nix. If this be the case then for every time a M$ box get's cracked, there are three *nix boxes getting cracked too...this sounds about right.
It's really super-duper that M$ is offering a better product at a higher price. I'll take my free OS thanks.
Adobe Photoshop: $800 3D Studio Max: $1500
The look on a M$ user's face when they find out they could have gotten the Gimp and Blender for free: Priceless!
this scares the HELL out of me! The part I like best is the quote about how you can't say anything derogatory about a company! THE FSCK I CAN'T!?!?!?!
This article brings up alot of very important and controversial issues, the most important of which, i believe is that of freedom of speech. I am all for the illegality of slander and libel. If you purposefully spread FUD about a company or person in order to cause them trouble or ruin their reputation - then we have a problem. However, if you believe what this guy's saying, it should be illegal to say that Kleenex sucks and your switching to Puffs. The day public opinion/freedom of speech can be regulated by legislation is the day i get a gun, some hunting gear, and join a militia!
you're not thinking of the US constitution. you're thinking of US Laws. the US constitution is an exceptionally well written document designed to be living and changeable. It's just a little sad that we haven't changed enought of it (read:amendment 2.) - The reason it was written as a living document is because our forefathers realized it was flawed and would need to be changed based on experience. Don't trash our constitution - trash our current lawmakers. i'll support you there!
As for the original post. i'll say this. the internet is inherently flawed. the ubergeeks who want the internet to become better and better are the same as those who would see linux become a mass operating system. it just can't happen the way they want it to. In order for the internet to maintain it's freedom and vitality - it's going to have to keep getting better. better = more money. this money is going to have to come from people who don't give a schitt about the direction of the internet. you'll see more banner adds and you'll see more commercialism. It's like those who want to see the world using linux - they just don't know the consequences of what they're asking. mainstream success comes at a signifigant price (read: be careful what you ask for - you just might get it!).
No - i don't agree that the internet will maintain it's freedom of expression and it's freeflow of information for long. i believe (as with everything like it) that it's going to either die down and return to it's subculture status among techniphiles or it's going to get too commercialized. and it should be obvious to everyone that commercialism breeds governmental regulation. If you have any real objections to this post, step back and think...name 2 other places where such a large flow of free thoughts and ideas happen.
It seems like we're just heading in circles. First silicon is used for computing - then we decide molecules can do the job - then we decide RNA would be a really good medium - how about DNA? then cells? then tissues? how about organs? next systems? ("hey dude, i have a 200GHz circulatory system") - Next people. Pretty soon we're gonna have people breaking keys and typing shit for eachother.
My mom can render 200million triangles per second...what can your mom do?
-FluX
All flame will be summarily flamed! thank you for calling america on-crack.
The astronomer, Fred Hoyle, has described the likelihood of random forces generating life as equivalent to the chances that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747.
Well kids, let's look at it this way. If the universe is (in theory) infinite, as well as infinitely old (or at least as far as we're concerned.) Then probability would say that, yes, in fact - somewhere in the recesses of some really old or really new galaxy - a Boeing 747 was in fact assembled by a tornado. In an infinite system pretty much everything has to come to pass at one time or another. So, on the author - i call shenanegans!! Science has always agitated my in the respect that, while they all seem to believe in god, they are constantly searching for a way to refute his existance. I'm not saying we know the meaning of life or whether or not there actually is a god (coughs: bullshit!) but Dr. McFadden has gone a little far out on this one.
I think this is probably an indicator that government is trying to get poor people on the net too. A study done recently indicates that the biggest determining factor of poor vs. middle-class in the US is the ownership of a PC. with tax incentives, this makes it a little bit easier for the less "fortunate" to purchase a box.
You're right though - i don't think they can allow mainboards and processors, etc. etc. to fall under the same category. Then you run the risk of having to make very subjective determinations. You think our elected officials even know what a mainboard is???
FluX If it's a penny for your thoughts, and you have to throw in your two cents - who's getting that other penny?
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this got modded up?? good thing...i had forgotten pong was an FPS - thanks for the reminder.
BTW - since when was Duke Nukem a thoroughbread FPS??
how about a screenshot from the original looks like fucking metroid!
-FluX
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Umm...i think the researcher fails to take into account the overwhelming majority of men who had to watch their friends play parasite eve.
And what's with final fantasy VII anyway?? i mean that Tifa chick follows you around everyhere
Although, i have to say...when participating in a brisk game of Gran Tourismo 2...i find it much more comfortable and relaxing to play as a woman.
-FluX
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Reporter: Gov. Bush - what do you think about the banning of DeCSS reverse engineering publishing in the united states
Gov. Bush: What the people need is a REAL reformer...not some Viet Nam degenerate.
Reporter: But Gov. Bush - do you have any views on DeCSS or the GPL, specifically relating to freedom of speech or software copywrite laws?
Gov. Bush: See, that's what i'm talking about (reveals that shit eating grin of his)...people need a real leader...someone with a RECORD of reform...that's me. I'm your man.
Reporter: So...Mr. Bush, would it be fair to say you're a fucking idiot when it comes to any issue other than reform.
Gov. Bush: Just look what i've done in Texas. It's clear to everyone who the stronger candidate is...who the LEADER is.
-FluX
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I have to agree with you that MegaTF is the best quake mod out there - but what killed MegaTF is Half-Life...i know people that play TFC that don't even friggin' know there were two TF mods before it. It saddens me to know that we're coming into an age where FPS players give no respect to wolfenstein, doom, and of course, Quake.
Live and learn. It was about time they released the source to quake - but if it's going to be GPLed, it needs to stay GPLed..none of this proprietary BS. I sincerely hope this goes to court...in the best of all possible worlds the open source community can use it to set a legal precedent for the GPL (who better to do it than the company that brought you Quake, hehe).
-FluX
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Me: Dude...enter the dragon rocks on streaming video
Friend: Yah...who's kicking who's ass right now?
Me: I think that grey pixel on the left is Bruce Lee.
Friend:Yah, it should have some sound tho...this is the third time in a row we've played The Wall
BTW - that Dark Side of the Moon and Wizard of Oz trick only works if you're stoned...i highly recommend it.
FluX
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Man, if the geek vote is entirely based on the internet and shit like DeCSS, i'm moving to the Netherlands!!
-FluX
if you reply to this with, "no...it's also about open source" then i'm puting a contract out on your head.
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good lord...you're one of the freaks i was talking about that actually owns a friggin' penguin. aren't you?
AMD is making doing better and better because their chips are getting better and better. I used a K6 back when no average user had ever heard of AMD. Now the athalon is all the rage. people are using these chips because they're DAMNED GOOD, not because intel's chips are crappy - that's just a perk :)
-FluX
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you get a really great view of the cubs losing.
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god i love the hunt for red october...but here's the point:
What most linux advocates seem to overlook is this, linux's popularity will be a double edged sword. FACT: for linux to get extremely popular, it will have to be very user friendly. This means that products like KDE and GNOME will become the paradigm. Plug and Play will be a must. This is going to be a huge problem for people who, like myself, like things to be "really hard."
I'm a guy who likes to break stuff and then figure out how to fix it. I like to delve into complex problems that don't have a single solution. 99.9% of the people using any piece of software don't. YES - even the majority of linux users. The sad truth is that the masses of linux users out there use linux because it's the HIP new OS on the block. They flame those who say linux isn't perfect because they're afraid to discuss what's wrong with it, or because they don't KNOW enough to debate the mater.
FACT: if linux is to keep its underground hacker ethic and overall complexity, it will never become an overwhelmingly mainstream product. You can't have your cake and eat it too my friends. this is a sad but unavoidable fact of life. It's either user friendly or it's not. Because when stuff breaks - Joe Schmoe isn't going to want the techie on the other end of the phone line dictating vi commands to him. That makes Joe feel dumb - and he isn't going to stick with a product that makes him feel dumb.
The point is this: You must decide - is linux going to be an incredibly popular/user friendly OS. or is it going to stay underground and highly technical? You can argue that it can be both, but i ask you to name another OS that is as nearly as popular as Windows with the complexity of a *nix based OS (if your answer ends in "inux" then you're one of the aformentioned hipsters who REALLY doesn't know d!ck about market share).
Myself...i'd like to see linux stay right where it is. On the fringe. The great majority of the world can stick with MacOS or Windows....that doesn't mean they're stupid or that they're lemmings. It just means they've opted for ease of use. Me? I feel like it's time to break something again.
Heh,
You may have left out the Jesus vs. Santa episode (same one?) - Rembmer kids...Bryan Boitano would preach love, and harmony.
"soooo - we meet again jesus!"
"this time we finish it! there can be only one!"
-FluX
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There is one problem however. You're forgetting the biggest piece of the software puzzle: R&D. This costs insane amounts of money (more so than any other facet of production.) I do believe software should be free, however. I also realize that it's never going to happen in this lifetime. To make really good products you have to have the cash to develop those products. Example: ID develops quake - makes money. I can guarantee we'd all still be playing pong if the folks at ID thought that they weren't going to get paid for their efforts. Just like linus, these people have houses, cars, and families to support.
Besides - if one isn't making money, how can one afford the GeForce for screaming framerates??no, it can't all be free - they tried that in russia
FluX
Most serious people don't use Photoshop or 3dStudio either. They're running Irix boxes with SoftImage and Maya. My fscking kid brother uses photoshop to cut peoples heads out and stick 'em on other people's bodies. He can do it for $800, i can do it for free :P
Warez for linux: where you can get for free what you otherwise wouldn't have to pay for.
-FluX
Linux will never replace windows on the desktop, but that's o.k. It is meant for other things
Ummmmmm...so..when linus built his OS, he was thinking about running an Apache server out of his garage???? Personally, i hope linux never does replace windows on the desktop. Some want to see it take over the world with little realization of what changes take place when you're the big man on campus. Five years from now we could see people talking tremendous amounts of shit about Linux vs. Some other OS (BSD users already do).
C'est la vie!
Let's do a little math - if Windows is running on approx. 25% of all webservers out there - and MacOS is a virtually nonexistant providor, then we must conclude that darn near 75% of the web servers on the net are using some form of *nix. If this be the case then for every time a M$ box get's cracked, there are three *nix boxes getting cracked too...this sounds about right.
It's really super-duper that M$ is offering a better product at a higher price. I'll take my free OS thanks.
Adobe Photoshop: $800
3D Studio Max: $1500
The look on a M$ user's face when they find
out they could have gotten the Gimp and Blender
for free: Priceless!
FluX
is how so many of these idiots talking schitt about M$ and the like all have hotmail addresses!
PINE - it's the only way to fly!
this scares the HELL out of me! The part I like best is the quote about how you can't say anything derogatory about a company! THE FSCK I CAN'T!?!?!?!
This article brings up alot of very important and controversial issues, the most important of which, i believe is that of freedom of speech. I am all for the illegality of slander and libel. If you purposefully spread FUD about a company or person in order to cause them trouble or ruin their reputation - then we have a problem. However, if you believe what this guy's saying, it should be illegal to say that Kleenex sucks and your switching to Puffs. The day public opinion/freedom of speech can be regulated by legislation is the day i get a gun, some hunting gear, and join a militia!
you could call it linus but for the countless technophiles who had penguins imported up from the south pole just for that purpose.
-FluX
of course
you're not thinking of the US constitution. you're thinking of US Laws. the US constitution is an exceptionally well written document designed to be living and changeable. It's just a little sad that we haven't changed enought of it (read:amendment 2.) - The reason it was written as a living document is because our forefathers realized it was flawed and would need to be changed based on experience. Don't trash our constitution - trash our current lawmakers. i'll support you there!
As for the original post. i'll say this. the internet is inherently flawed. the ubergeeks who want the internet to become better and better are the same as those who would see linux become a mass operating system. it just can't happen the way they want it to. In order for the internet to maintain it's freedom and vitality - it's going to have to keep getting better. better = more money. this money is going to have to come from people who don't give a schitt about the direction of the internet. you'll see more banner adds and you'll see more commercialism. It's like those who want to see the world using linux - they just don't know the consequences of what they're asking. mainstream success comes at a signifigant price (read: be careful what you ask for - you just might get it!).
No - i don't agree that the internet will maintain it's freedom of expression and it's freeflow of information for long. i believe (as with everything like it) that it's going to either die down and return to it's subculture status among techniphiles or it's going to get too commercialized. and it should be obvious to everyone that commercialism breeds governmental regulation. If you have any real objections to this post, step back and think...name 2 other places where such a large flow of free thoughts and ideas happen.
-FluX
you can't can you!
ust think, in all of infinity, you are infinitely meaningless, now doesn't that feel great :)
People refuse to recognize their meaninglessness. that's why they invented god. they want to believe something cares about them - bwahahahahaha.
It seems like we're just heading in circles. First silicon is used for computing - then we decide molecules can do the job - then we decide RNA would be a really good medium - how about DNA? then cells? then tissues? how about organs? next systems? ("hey dude, i have a 200GHz circulatory system") - Next people. Pretty soon we're gonna have people breaking keys and typing shit for eachother.
My mom can render 200million triangles per second...what can your mom do?
-FluX
All flame will be summarily flamed! thank you for calling america on-crack.
The astronomer, Fred Hoyle, has described the likelihood of random forces generating life as equivalent to the chances that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747.
Well kids, let's look at it this way. If the universe is (in theory) infinite, as well as infinitely old (or at least as far as we're concerned.) Then probability would say that, yes, in fact - somewhere in the recesses of some really old or really new galaxy - a Boeing 747 was in fact assembled by a tornado. In an infinite system pretty much everything has to come to pass at one time or another. So, on the author - i call shenanegans!! Science has always agitated my in the respect that, while they all seem to believe in god, they are constantly searching for a way to refute his existance. I'm not saying we know the meaning of life or whether or not there actually is a god (coughs: bullshit!) but Dr. McFadden has gone a little far out on this one.
I think this is probably an indicator that government is trying to get poor people on the net too. A study done recently indicates that the biggest determining factor of poor vs. middle-class in the US is the ownership of a PC. with tax incentives, this makes it a little bit easier for the less "fortunate" to purchase a box.
You're right though - i don't think they can allow mainboards and processors, etc. etc. to fall under the same category. Then you run the risk of having to make very subjective determinations. You think our elected officials even know what a mainboard is???
FluX
If it's a penny for your thoughts, and you have to throw in your two cents - who's getting that other penny?
Heh...no. the legos would only be banned if the instructions involved 128bit encryption.
Damnit! i can just see that Zack the Lego Maniac kid up on top of a tower in texas gunning down hundreds of innocent lego men! Oh the humanity!!
-FluX