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'South Park' Nominated for Oscar
NoizAngel writes, "And for best Original Song, the nominees are : Blame Canada from "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut."*
Just when I thought I'd seen it all. " One thing I gotta say about that movie is that the music was possibly the strongest part of the film. "Blame Canada," and of course "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" are two of the funniest things I've ever heard.
Where are the high scores for negative karma?
Come on, we can't forget the Uncle Fscker song....
Come on, Uncle Fucka was the best!!
I guess hoping that "Shut your fucking mouth, Uncle Fucker" would get nominated was just too much eh? And how about the song Mr. Mackey sings about not swearing, MmmKay? That was a good one to MmmKay? Don't you think it deserved a nod? I do, MmmKay?
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
Though I supposed the avoided the far superior "UncleFucka" for obvious reasons. I would have gone with that or "What Would Brian Boitano Do" for sure.
Personally, I really enjoyed this movie. Much more than I expected to, in fact. Though I saw, and enjoyed, the original Spirit of Christmas two or 3 years ago. I found the TV series very dissapointing. The movie renewed my faith in Trey Parker and Matt Stone..
and hey.. when do you get to talk about South Park on Slashdot without being moderated down????
-------- "All I want in life's a little bit of love to take the pain away" --Spiritualized
But can someone answer me this: Who the bloody hell is Brian Boitano anyway?? I'm assuming he's not just some guy made up for this song, and I have to admit I've never watched the TV show, even though I loved the movie. Is it a character from the show? Some actual real-life guy who I've just never heard of? What? It's driving me nuts...
What I'm still waiting for is an animated feature to earn a Best Picture nomination. I really thought Toy Story might be able to pull it off this year, as it was an excellent movie. It's a little disappointing to only see animation only get Best Song nominations time after time (short category excluded of course, at least it's a start) I just hope that when one does finally get the nod, it's not a Disney. Good movies generally, but I'd rather see a real good story win than all the fluff.
- I don't care about what "The Academy" thinks.
- Most of the stuff that wins these awards (except maybe the obscure awards) sucks.
- I don't care about what the celebrities are wearing.
I was thinking about complaining about this story as "Stuff that Doesn't Matter", but actually I don't really care about whether this story appears (and besides, I like South Park). I did, however, want to use this opportunity to spread my message about how awards shows suck. Enjoy!-- $SIGNATURE
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Damn woman, I just gave you sweet lovin' three minutes ago!
How could they have overlooked "I Can Change"?
I like to kill, I like to maim
Yes I'm insane but that's okay 'cause I'm Hussein!
Although to be fair, you really need to see Saddam breakdancing to get the full effect...
The music in the movie was quite first-rate, but Blame Canada wasn't their best song in my opinion...no...that honor belongs to the Terrance and Phillip classic Unclef***er. Who can but shed a tear at the touching lyrics of this triumph of musical composition:
F*** you up the a**, unclef***er,
You're a dirty little f***, unclef***er...
I'll tell ya, that's an order of magnitude better than anything Celine Dion ever belted out!
Finding God in a Dog
Why? south park is awfull!
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Nothing like a good fashioned award show to put in perspective the times of america. I'm sure historians will have a good time pointing out our brilliant award shows when they coin our times "The Era of Stupid Fucks".
This might be the Academy making up for it, but the other nominees (Music of the Heart, Magnolia, Toy Story 2, Tarzan) suggests they were short of options.
It will be fun to see if they will play the nominated songs, as they ususally, and in that case, what they'll do with the line:
On a side note, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut just went up in theaters here in Sweden. (No, it doesn't ususally take that long for movies to get here.) The Swedish ratings board gave it a rating of Suitable For Children 7 and up, which is more lenient than E.T., but harsher than the G-rated American Pie."The good die first." "Most of us are morally ambiguous, which explains our random dying patterns." --- MST3K
Well, MY and I think most people's favourite song from the South Park soundtrack would definitely have to be Uncle Fucka. I mean, check it out:
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka
You're a cock sucking ass licking uncle fucka
You're an uncle fucka, yes it's true
Nobody fucks uncles quite like you
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka
You're the one that fucked your uncle, uncle fucka
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn,
You just fuck your uncle all day long
(fart noises)
Hmmm!
(fart noises)
(laughing)
(fart)
What's going on here?
(fart noises)
OOOooooooooooooooo
Fucker fucker uncle fucka fucka fucka fucka fucka
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka (uncle fucka)
You're a boner biting bastard uncle fucka
You're an uncle fucka I must say
Well you fucked your uncle yesterday
Uncle fucka... that's U-N-C-L-E fuck you Uncle Fuckaaaaaaaa tonight
Suck my balls
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How can you ignore that?
They're the biggest excercise in mutual masturbation ever known to man!
Lyrics for "Blame Canada" can be found here.
If you want lyrics to any other of the movie songs, or songs from other South Park albums, check here.
I just want to see what the Christian Coalition and their partner groups think of this. I loved this review of Southpark especially. They also tore apart Dogma, and pretty much everything BUT Merry Poppins.
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The best part of the film, and this is not open for debate, is when Saddam Hussein whipped out that dildo, and started calling Satan a bitch.
Who's my creampuff?
Isn't this some kind of 'ism'? (like Canadianism or something)
I am Canadian and this doesn't bug me too much but you would think that with all the ultra-sensitive people out there someone would be.
Danm Americans, why can you make fun of us and we can't make fun of you?
Oh Ya, 'Cause you guys have the guns. Sorry. I'll go back to my igloo now.
BLAME CANADA
All four Moms
Sheila: Time's have changed
Our kids are kids are getting worse
They wont obey their parents
They just want to fart and curse!
Sharon: Should we blame the government?
Liane: Or blame society?
Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Canadas fault!
Sharon: Don't blame me
For my son Stan
He saw the darn cartoon
And now he's off to join the Klan!
Liane: And my boy Eric once
Had my picture on his shelf
But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
Sheila: Well, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
It seems that everythings gone wrong
Since Canada came along
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Some Guy: There not even a real country anyway
Ms. McCormick: My son could've been a doctor or a lawyer it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
Should we blame the fire?
Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
Sheila: Heck no!
Everyone: Blame Canada
Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their hockey hubbabaloo
Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
Everyone: Blame Canada
Shame on Canada
The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Laughter and fun
must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
Could this be a subtle dig by the Academy at Canada over the recent web-broadcasting of US satellite broadcasts, thus impinging their already heavily inflated bottom lines?
I would have chosen The epic rendition of "Kyle's mom is a big fat bitch" or "Unckle fucker" personaly.
:P
Southpark with an oscar. Were all fucked now
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the oscars are a pain in my ass. If I could turn off the topic "Oscars" in my preferences I would. Winning an Oscar isn't an acheivement, its an insult. If there was an Oscar for best operating system it would go to Bill Gates because Oscars are for rich tasteless fools that prey upon the ignorant.
[awards shows are] the biggest excercise in mutual masturbation ever known to man!
What about slashdot?
Were the ones without all the swearing. "Uncle Fucka" was absolutely hilarious the first time I heard it, but of course, they would never pick anything they couldn't play on the radio.
On another note, what is the relationship between the MPAA and the AMPAS? Maybe we should boycott this if they're cohorts? Then again, our wimpy boycott really wouldn't make much difference, and I already "boycott" (ie, don't watch) any of the stupid awards shows (ESPECIALLY THE GRAMMYS) because they are *so* stupid. Why would I care what they think? And how can anyone take an award seriously when the categories are like "best female pop song recorded on the third wednesday of january," or any of the other inane categories? Like the (MTV|People's Choice|American|VH1|Grammy|etc|etc|etc) music awards a couple of years ago, where I think Will Smith won best rock song and best rap song FOR THE SAME SONG. Or more recently, Kid Rock and Limp Bizkit and/or Korn were nominated in the "alternative" category. Sticking with the misnomer "alternative" for bands like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, AIC, etc; how can these bands be considered alternative?
Ok, so this became OT, but the point is that these awards shows are decided by old men who have no idea what is going on. At least the movie they pick for "best film" is usally good, which is more than can be said for any of the myriad songs picked as "best (male|female) (group|singer) (alternative|rock|pop|rap|r&b|hiphop|*.*) song."
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Toy Story 2 is gonna win for best song. Anyone care to disagree with me?
The music in that movie was so great. The Broadway showtune music contrasted perfectly with the filthy lyrics. The juxtaposition of these two incongruous elements produced great comic results.
Don't forget that Friday is Hawaiian shirt day.
For comparison's sake, here is how IMDB's South Park credits page breaks it out:
Trey Parker
Director
Writer (1st billing)
Voices:
Stan Marsh
Eric Cartman
Mr. Garrison
Mr. Hat
Officer Barbrady
Various others
Producer (4th billing)
Original Music (1st billing)
Lyricist
Matt Stone
Writer (2nd billing)
Voices:
Kyle Broslofski (and that's all!)
Producer (9th, or last, billing)
That's a heck of a difference.
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Actually Beauty and the Beast from Disney was nominated for best picture.
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"War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left"
Steven Wright
Thank you, I rest my case.
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
I dont remember the song, but the film was the worst piece of crap I've seen since Starship Troopers. I watch the South Park series from time to time, and I like it, but the movie was just pathetic.
The matrix was nominated for Film Editing As well. I doubt it will win, however, people tend to give every award to 'best picture' (Like titanic getting 'best makeup' for the frozen faces at the end, or somthing)
:)
But anyway, it's cool to see the matrix with a nomination
Hen hao!
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Of course, I don't think they could perform
"Uncle Fucka" on TV...
-- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
She's mom is a big fat bitch
She's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
She's a stupid bitch if there ever was a bitch
She's a bitch to all the boys and girls
On Monday she's a bitch
On Tuesday she's a bitch
On Wednsday through Saturday she's a bitch
Then on Sunday, just to be different, she's a superkinkamayamayabeeatch
Have you ever met my friend Kyle's mom?
She's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
She's a mean 'ol bitch and she has stupid hair
She's a big big big big big gig bitch
Big big big big big big big bitch, she's a stupid bitch
Kyles mom, she's a big fat fucking biiiiiiitch
Big old fucking bitch ass mooooom
Yeah
Chaaaa
Just what was the acadamey thinking when it decided to honor these little songs?
P.S.I really don't have a point, but I couldn't pass up the chance to use the word bitch a dozen times and not be offtopic!)
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Being from Canada, I feel very upset over this nomination.
:)
:) It's bloody hilarious. I love it. I hope they get the award :)
NOT!!
After listening to this song(shortly after the Oscar Nominations were announced), I love it
Dave
Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)
I've got to admit, I haven't seen the movie. But I have seen everything else they have ever done, and I am glad they have been nominated. I don't know if they are computer geeks, but they are definitely geeks. Smart, probably not the most popular kids in school, strange sense of humor. They are way, way up there on my list of people I want to drink with sometime.
I finally saw Orgazmo last week... I need to track that down on DVD. If you haven't seen it, be sure to check it out.
I personally have to say that I have a very low opinion of South Park. I think that it epitomizes the most revolting and repulsive parts of American gutter humor. I have seen enough to know that yes, it can be funny, but it is also disgusting. I think that it is easy to be funny and disgusting by catering to the lowest standard of humor. It takes a lot more time and effort to make jokes that an average teenager could tell his conservative mother without getting a mouthful of soap.
Lots of people may consider me prudish or retentive or [insert pejorative here] but I really think that good humor should be in good taste. We all know what good taste is, and we know that South Park isn't it. I maintain that good taste is highly undervalued by today's critics and audience. (No, I do not aspire to be a movie critic.)
I would rather not see articles and comments praising South Park for its humor and originality and tunefulness, and forgetting the fact that vulgar language is an ugly black mark on those who use it. I don't care if you think I'm old-fashioned, I just don't like it!
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If I had to pick a song to nominate it would inevitably be "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" but not the one sung by the kids in the movie, the one sung by Tres and Matt during the credits! That song is one of the best punk songs I've ever heard!
Esperandi
I CAN'T WAIT to see this one in MetaModeration tomorrow.
Settle down, Beavis. Have a beer or two, turn off the computer and TV, go "talk" to someone. Have another beer or two, marvel at how the real world isn't all in
King Kamehameha was a well-known Hawaiian monarch. Don't ask me what he's got to do with Kyle's mom.
Eric
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"Free your code...and the rest will follow."
Be who you are...and be it in style!
If I'm not mistaken, Chef has a song called "good love" that plays during the ending credits. The first 45 seconds are kinda funny but then it gets kind of lame.
How else can it make fun of American culture so well? And the brilliant thing is that they are using such 'gutter humor' to make the show popular enough so that its message can actually get communicated to a decent number of people, and then ensuring that the message goes over the head of the people that the show mocks so that no one gets angry.
Shows like South Park ensure that we dont take ourselves too seriously, as well as providing an open forum for social criticism that is unlikely to be censored (since it is less obvious than, say, the simpsons)
The truth is out there - we'll let it back in after it sobers up a bit. -The Cube
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Natalie... with one T.... and she is topless not naked...
:)
She would look pretty hot in a nice dark marble though....
Someone else wondered whether we should be boycotting the Oscars because of the dickheads at the MPAA. I don't think there is any real connection between them...
The MPAA bills itself as "the trade association of the American film industry." The Oscar people, the AMPAS, OTOH say that the "purpose of the Academy is to advance the arts and sciences of motion pictures." And that it's a "professional honorary organization".
So it sounds like the pie has been split in half. The MPAA handles the money bits, AMPAS handles the artistic part. So being pissed at the MPAA shouldn't reflect on the Oscars. So don't boycott them, mmmkay?
Yeah, didn't get much of a rating in Denmark either, but then it's a free country without censorship on tv, so they kids probably wouldn't hear anything new. Hell they even swear on kids progams from time to time :)
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If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
I'm always amazed at the ratings different countries give movies (even different Provinces here in Canada)!
:) [though we do have to make do with their prints. We didn't get the choice of an uncut Eyes Wide Shut; apparently, given the choice, Ontario would not have edited out the censored footage, just give it an R rating with a sexual warning. Go Figure.]
I remember going to Ottawa from Calgary in 1982. Alberta gave Tron a G and Ontario gave it a PG with a violence warning.
IIRC, American Pie here in Ontario was AA (or 14+) with a sexual situations and language warning while in the US it was R.
At least there's ONE thing that we don't have to kowtow to the Americans for
Pope
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Not only I find it disgusting, but I also find it retarded, stupid, and most of all, ridiculas. And this war starts because of two Canadian role models named Tarrence & Plillip. But at the end of this movie, it's all corny and try to make it like it's a kids movie all over again.
Some comments:
1) Producer billing on IMDB page is alphabetized. So I'd say the order is meaningless.
2) The writer credit is with an '&' sign. That represents a writing team, who are counted as one writer by the guild. The order in a team is irrelevant -- you assume that both are equally involved. The third writer is not part of the team, so she gets and AND, not an &.
3) Mr. Hat is the same character as Mr. Garrison, essentially.
4) Officer Barbrady probably had under 5 lines, so I wouldn't count that as much.
I mean, in a sense, you're right, it looks like one did a lot more. But even if they didn't do *any* of the voices, South Park would still belong to the pair, because they write all the episodes. And since they share the writing, I figure they're equally important to the final product. The writings the most important part, mmmkay?
"They may cut you dick in half
and feed it to a pig
and though it hurts you'll laugh!
and dance a dickless jig
that's the way it goes
in war you're shat upon
though you die la resistance lives on!"
License: By reading this you are agreeing that you agree with me.
If you have the bandwith or the patience, you can pick up either MP3 or Quicktime MOV files from SouthPark RangerStation
It's almost like seeing the movie again.
When you are dancing with wolves, never limp
Wonder who they'll get to sing lead.
Probably not Celine Dion...
(More seriously, this makes Mary Kay Bergman's suicide all the more tragic. It would have kicked ass to have her perform the song at the Oscars.)
The movie was appauling mostly and somehow I found myself laughing harder than I had for a long time.
[cough cough]excuse me[cough cough]
what I said was, why don't you come suck my balls..
Hey, you left out the foreign kids part. That's the best part of the song! Hard to transcribe I guess... so you're excused.
Personally, I thought "Up There" and "La Resistance" were both better songs than "Blame Canada".
My second thought was will they perform it live and if so who'll sing it? Mary Kay Bergman (voice of all the mothers and Wendy) is dead, so they'd have to get some else, and they'd have to bleep/censor/edit it too. Should be interesting.
Jeff Sand
shroom@NOSPAM.bradley.edu (remove NOSPAM)
"Blame Canada" and all the other music was very well done in the movie and the part that I was most surprised about. They took the music themes from Sound of Music, Phantom of the Opera, Les Miserables and others to make their own original songs. I never would have thought that these guys would be that creative, but they sure proved me wrong.
beg, borrow, steal, maim, and/or kill to see this if you have to. its quite possibly one of the greatest movies ever made. its comedy, its horror, its a love story about a man and his horse.
i think you can find more info on www.crapcrapcrap.com
If you haven't seen it, go rent it, you'll laugh. Seeing BillG get his head blown off for Windows98 was worth the price of admission. Anybody have that clip?
Great movie. The whole point was that parents should pay more attention to their kids, than to what their kids are seeing. And Chef's squad in Operation Human Shield, and Cartman going anime as a finale, great stuff. Satan singing "Somewhere up There." Should have been nominated for best picture.
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(Disclaimer: I am Canadian)
Nominating a song like "Blame Canada" and snubbing an actor like Jim Carey really tells me a lot about americans...
Increasingly online I find I'm getting insulted for being Canadian with no provokation at all, and quite frankly shit like this doesn't help any. It's the ultimate insult.
I really think you people south of the border need to grow up a little. Racism is wrong, Sexism is wrong, Agism is wrong, but "Canadianism", for lack of a better term, is ok?
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This troll of a story is not only a waste of a half-decent news site, but by its nature of perpetuation be considered a virii unleashed on us good citizens. Stop putting trash like this on the front page, and save it for the grocery checkout lines.
I really think you people south of the border need to grow up a little. Racism is wrong, Sexism is wrong, Agism is wrong, but "Canadianism", for lack of a better term, is ok?
.. with your beady little eyes and flapping heads! Your country's entertainment is evil! And this is not the first time that such a disturbing export has come from Canada .. let us not forget Bryan Adams! Fuck Canada!
Stop whining, dude!
You Canadians are all alike
You're not even a real country, anyway.
...does anybody have access to the "envelope please."? I think a little while-out and the best picture envelope could be a fun little hack.
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shut your fucking face uncle fucka?
This might be a dumb question, but would it have anything to do with english not being the primary language?
Basically the rules here (Canada) are swear/ass/tits all you want on TV as long as there is some sort of reason (culture/news/etc). This stuff is usually on after 8 or 9pm.
When I watched woodstock 99 on TV, they would flip back and forth from censored to non-censored views of the same topless girl, go figure. (american cameras?)
French culture here is very liberal, pretty much the same as Europe, anything goes...........
Sheila: No, blame Canada
Everyone: Blame Canada
Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Canada, Blame Canada
Well, I've heard people say bad things about Celiné Dion but that's just the limit.
With tissue paper issues,
Matthew
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Never mind the songs...under the category of "Why hasn't anybody else said this before...":
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
Kyle's Mom is about to execute either Terrence or Philip; I forget which one...and he's in the electric chair...and Kyle's Mom asks him if he has any last words...to which he replies:
"How about: GET ME OUT OF THIS FUCKING CHAIR?"
Why nobody's used this as their real last words on record yet is beyond me...
Shut your fucking face uncle fucka
trolling for jesus.
you want i should make you a plaque?
"Evangelista de Anno"
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Southpark is set in Colorado. I believe Trey went to Columbine, or at least nearby (Denver is like many urban sprawls and the only thing that seperates towns is a line on a map). Here's some fan boy action for you.
Jesus is actually a rather pleasant (yet unimportant) character on the show. He defeated Satan quite handily one episode, yet no one believed he would.
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. . . one of the main tenets of "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut" was that part of the problem with society (American, that is) today is that we don't seem to have a problem with graphic violence being portrayed in the media, but we get our collective panties in a wad over WORDS. Mere WORDS!!
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I wish for a lateral moderation tool. Too many things get posted that don't deserve to go up or down, but still asked to be touched by a moderator.
you want i should make you a plaque?
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That would kick ass!
With filth like this passing as "entertainment" these days, it's no wonder that kids are shooting each other in schools. We are heading in the wrong direction. Unless this country gets back to the morals on which it was founded, there are some awfully dark days ahead. Farting and swearing for the whole song? It boggles the mind. If you find this "entertaining", I suggest you get help.
Yes we should all go back the 50s when everyone one was a good god-fearing moron and there was no Jerry Springer, only freaks in the closet, bottled up like old champagne. Ok, so let's go further to when our country was founded. Let's get back to the morals of our founder, George Washington, who was not a christian - he did not believe in Jesus. Yes, let's ditch Christianity like our founder.
I wonder what you'd say if we found out George Washington "had" interns.
Anyway, this is getting off topic.
"Shut your fucking face uncle fucker!"
2 years and no mod points. Join reddit. Because openness is good.
...this thread will turn up number one on Google for the words "Fuck" "Uncle" and "Bitch", try it, if you remember.
google rocs (eggs)
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Anyway, this is getting off topic.
"Shut your fucking face uncle fucker!"
If Jesus were here, He would call you a boner-biting dick-fart fuckface.
Heh, yes, let's go back to the 50s... daddy gets home from work, kicks back 8 scotches, beats the kid and the wife, then no one talks about it. Mom stays home all day popping baby laxatives like candy and no one talks about it. Johnny fucks the cheerleaders bareback on Makeout Point and when they get pregnant the girl goes to visit a sick aunt in another town so no one has to talk about it.
The most fatal school shooting was in 1922.
Esperandi
The past sucks, live for the future.
(BTW I knw your post was sarcastic, consider this ammunition against the morons)
...go smo^H^H^Hread the JF 4.2.0.
It was defenetely the best in the movie
Actually I consider shooting of Bill Gates, 'Hide behind the darkies', and Kyle's Mom's a bitch to be the top most successful portions of the movie.
You can't handle the truth.
Offending people is a favorite topic of mine because the bald faced fact is that everyone who is offended chooses to be offended. Of course they (and you) won't admit that because it puts the problem where it lies (in the listener not the speaker) and it robs you of your ability to try to interfere with other peoples lives, but it is the truth.
Someone comes up to me and calls me a moron, it really doesn't offend me. They're wrong. Wow. Oh no, i can't go around with people having misconceived notions about me, my race, my age group, the userbase of my OS, etc, can I? Yes, I can.
Esperandi
Being an individual is far more involved and complicated than any individualist understands.
I wish we could burn our protestant ancestors at the stake.
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Actually I consider shooting of Bill Gates (Orgasmic!!!), 'Hide Behind The Darkies' plan and "Kyle's Mom's a Bitch" to be the highest points of the movie.
You can't handle the truth.
You don't eat or drink or mow the lawn,
you just fuck your uncle all day long!
aaahh hah ha ha ha ha hah aaha
Blar.
You're a clueless idiot. Why don't i ever meet somebody like you in person, so i could kick your ass? Sigh.
"We are heading in the wrong direction. Unless this country gets back to the morals on which it was founded, there are some awfully dark days ahead."
Ahem...I am really sick of these moralistic yahoos trying to suggest that we live our lives in a Norman Rockwell painting. Let me ask you something: Exactly when was the US a moral country? Why not ask a black person if they can remember when we were a moral country? Or perhaps a Native American? It is my opinion that we are more moral as a whole then at any time in the past, although we still have a ways to go. And wtf is jesus going to do? No religious basis is necessary in order to be a moral person. In fact, religion *hinders* morality. It lowers the mentality to the level of a two year old. I think it is really sad if we only do what is right due to the hopes of reaping a reward and fear of punishment after death. In fact all that is needed to be moral is to realize that it is a privelidge to be a self-aware being and that the purpose of life is to enjoy this privelidge to its fullest, which can only be achieved if you help others to enjoy theirs. I must say that "Uncle Fucka" definitely helps in my quest to enjoy life. I am sorry you did not enjoy it. Maybe you ought to lighten up.
Actually, it was "donkey raping shit eater" and "shit faced cockmaster."
These are to be used separately from "testicle shitting rectal wart" and "eat penguin shit, you ass spelunker."
-CausticPuppy "Of all the people I know, you're certainly one of them." -Somebody I don't know
More like: Shut your fucking face uncle fucker You're a cocksucking asslicking uncle fucker You're an uncle fucker yes it's true Nobody fucks uncles quite like you Shut your fucking face uncle fucker You're the one that fucked your uncle, uncle fucker You don't eat or sleep of mow the lawn You just fuck your uncle all day long *farting* Shut your fucking face uncle fucker (uncle fucker) You're a boner-biting bastard, uncle fucker You're an uncle fucker I must say Well you fucked your uncle yesterday Uncle fucker that's U-N-C-L-E FUCK YOU! Uncle fucker! (suck my balls)
The song is mocking the parents in the film, who tenuously blame Canada for the fact that their children swear.
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As an atheist, I don't believe that Jesus was any more divine than my Labrador retriever. But is it necessary for you to write shit like this? You can believe in whatever you want to believe without going around and pissing in somebody else's pool.
It's aboot democracy! It's aboot freedom! It's aboot... It's aboot... HAHAHAHAHA Dumb Canucks.
No wife No kids Kinda obvious...
Ok... so south park was an interesting movie. Did it have a best original song, I don't think so...
The songs were not *that* original.
Same basic level south park humor....
Surely Hollywood has produced better songs this year.
-I just work here... how am I supposed to know?
ONE MORE TIME:
Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker!
And look, I am almost on topic to! Who'ld've thunk it?
Rhapsody in Numbers
You're missing the entire point of the movie, blatantly.
I'd sum it up in one line from the movie's script:
"Remember what the Motion Picture Association of America says: horrific, deplorable violence is OK as long as nobody uses naughty language." (slightly paraphrased)
The movie uses foul language to make a point, one that most conservatives would actually agree with. Calling this movie trash based on the fact that it has foul language would be like calling Schindler's List trash because it has graphic violence, the word "Fuck", and full frontal nudity. All on NBC no less. Schlindler's List uses these elements to display the utter horror that was the holocaust. South Park uses the same elements, but in a bitingly humorous way (it actually has some of the most clever satire you'll ever see, and some of the best musical scoring of any movie in recent memory) but then again, you haven't seen South Park, so how can you possibly pass judgment on it? Based on what others who haven't seen the movie have said?
-CausticPuppy "Of all the people I know, you're certainly one of them." -Somebody I don't know
In the scheme of things, you are more important than Malta, but less important than North Dakota.
As a citizen of Malta, I am deeply offended by this! Canada is more important than Malta? Are you shitting me? Canada's entire economy was destroyed by beavers last week! Malta is far more important than some frozen wasteland! I urge you to reconsider, sir!
Good god why? Regardless of lawsuits, armies of subpoena wielding wrinkle-free suited lawyers, the DMCA, etc., DVD is now for all PRACTICAL purposes, an open standard. The MPAA and DVD Consortium *just* *don't* *matter* anymore. CSS is cracked and always will be. Embrace DVD. What are you waiting for? MPAA to go Open Source? Put down that crack pipe and face reality. If everyone boycotted DVD, the format would die. MPAA would be thrilled because it would give them another chance to dream up a new and even more closed standard with stronger crypto and PPV and all sorts of other bullshit. Abandoning DVD makes it easier for the MPAA to point and say "See, no one likes DVD, so dumping it will be no big deal. Let's lock it down this time." Do you want to help the MPAA? You do if you boycott DVDs. Support DVD now! Demand more DVDs! Help entrench the already cracked DVD format t make it harder to get away from!
I wouldn't be surprised if the nomination was due largely to the tragic suicide of Mary Kay Bergman, the voice of every single woman on that song. It was really a testament to her abilities.
I'd recommend everyone take a look at the work she's done over the past 10 years. I do wonder about the sense of nominating a song as an homage, not that I mind seeing it up there!
Too bad it'll never win. Make space for one more Oscar on a Disney shelf, most likely...
Kevin Fox
No matter what you think of the song, you gotta love the fact that they have to do a musical number at the Oscars for "Blame Canada." Hmmm. . . I imagine the choreographer is bashing his/her head against a wall right now trying to figure out what they're going to do for that song.
:-)
I couldn't tell if you were experimenting with poor-man's cryogenics or looking for the orange sherbet.
SOMEBODY SAY HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY
We want some POOOO-SAY!
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
It took a lot more than seven to kill off Saddam Hussein.
At one time I had the whole thing memorized (From watching the DVD subtitles, of course) and it went something like:
FUCK SHIT COCK ASS PUSSY TITTIES... uh, cunt, something, something, another synonym for feces, blood-drenched frozen tampon popsicle, something something, BARBARA STRIESAND!!!!
-CausticPuppy "Of all the people I know, you're certainly one of them." -Somebody I don't know
I really love the fact that all the flamers I'm attracting are AC's, I mean, that really proves how cowardly americans are..
-- iCEBaLM
Its up to the film producers to choose the song they want to have considered for this category. Trey/Matt are the ones who picked "Blame Canada", so it was the only song the Academy could consider. Of course, they almost certainly chose that song because many of the others are so incredibly vulgar that they would never have been picked for nomination.
I really love the fact that all the flamers I'm attracting are AC's, I mean, that really proves how cowardly americans are..
Most of the "flamers" are quoting lines verbatim from the movie, you unimaginable boob. Do you normally set yourself up as such an easy target? Have you even seen the movie?
Personally I dont get offended by the song "Blame Canada", in fact its really quite funny. I dont see how you can say Jim Carrey didn't get nominated solely based on the fact that he's canadian, actors that do comedy's never win.. look how long it took Robin Williams to win anything! I do think some Americans tend to be egotistical, and know absolutely nothing outside their own country! You dont know how many times i've seen athletes come up here and wonder why there is no snow on the ground, or people come to town in July with ski's on the roof wondering where the nearest place to ski is. I think Americans need to be educated on other cultures and countries other then their own. I'm also quite surprised at how many think Canadian entertainers are American. Here's a short list of Canadians some of you might be surprised to see. actors/actresses Pamela Anderson Brendan Fraser Keenu Reeves (raised in TO) Jim Carrey (there's dozens more) Singers/bands the guess who the band rush Neil young our lady peace celine dion (cough cough) etc etc etc
If anybody is able to ensure that the cards that they read on Oscar night say South Park's Blame Canada wins the award, they will go down in history as having done one of the greatest hacks of all time.
So, instead of thinking up the next Amendment to the Slashdot Trolls Constitution or whatever you do when you're bored, plan the ultimate hack... hack the Oscars!
(This is not an actual solicitation for Oscar-hacking services... don't sue me.)
Interesting that The Matrix got not one, but four nominations, all in the technical awards (the way it should be).
Sounds just like an uncle fucker to me.
He writes what he does because it is true. For you to say otherwise is trollish.
Remember that part in the bible where God takes out his massive phalus from his white robes (we all know he wears white robes right? the bearded white guy on the throne, right?) and ass-rapes nonbelievers?
That was pretty cool. Hu huh hu hu huh hu huh huh.
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Wow, defending people who quote lines verbatim, yet calling him unimaginable, thats an oxy, you moron.
.. they're all exactly the same. How tacky can you get? Above, you lash out at people who post anonymously .. and now you're doing the same thing yourself, but you're worse, because you're pretending you're a non-existant third party! Sheesh! Whatta maroon!
Dude, don't post as an AC and pretend that you're a third party to defend yourself. That's just depressing. The writing style, the not capitalizing "americans", the run-on sentences
Here, let me shove your american ego up your ass so its tighter when I shove my 9" pecker in it.
I knew it! It is true what they say about you people.
Others have said it... WATCH THE MOVIE!
And as for Canadians being made fun of... Americans are made fun of... Germans are made fun of.. Scottish are made fun of... Have you not noticed this in your worldly travels? The whole world doesn't make fun of your country (mine too).
And I'll say it again, watch the movie, it doesn't make fun of Canada, from my point of view. If anything it's America pointing fun at itself and needing something to comapre too.
Am I the only person who thought that the point was that Canada SHOULDN'T be blamed, and Kyle's mom was only blaming them because she is, as any fan knows, the biggest bitch in the whole wide world?
Cuz, um, if South Park's satire is going over your head, you must think it's pretty damn anti-Semitic too.
But wait, if it were anti-Semitic, you shouldn't be offended by anything a Jewish character (like Kyle's mom) says, right?
Damn, not getting jokes is hard work.
grep -ri 'should work'
Alright, howabout Shatner+Bob & Doug MacKenzie (sp?) [Great White North] :-)
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More anonymous irrelevance from the AC department...
if you read the book for starship troopers, then see the movie, you'll be horridly disappointed at the complete removal of all content from the book. However, if you watch the movie before the book as I did... you won't know and you'll say 'cheezy but fun' to the movie :-)
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Excude me? Read the book lately? Repelling two colonization efforts is provocation? Jeez, you'd probably file charges against somebody for "intent to commit self-defense"...
I just like the book, and wouldn't want anyone to get a mistaken impression.
This song got nominated over all others in the film because it spoke to the feelings that many in the guild have about the attacks on their craft. Nominations are a result of voting by the guild, not by the general public. So while we may all think "Uncle" is a great laugh, it's not as important as "Blame Canada" to the guild.
And for the record, I think it has a good chance of winning, and I'm sure many of the same people who are singing that song in their souls will condemn the industry for it. The sad thing about fanatics is they usually don't realize when they are being made fun of.
To purchase it is not like spending money but rather it is an investment in the future in a blow against the empire
My favorite line:
Ignite the Anal Wind
If I ever write a book, I want that to be the title.
--jeff
IIRC, the odds against Jesus for the big fight were astronomical - Satan bet on Jesus and threw the fight!
I too am a Canadian, but once I heard this song I recognized the error of my ways!
We Canadians are to blame for all the great American problems. Look at how subtly we insinuate ourselves into American culture, twisting their pleasant music and inoffensive comedy into horrid reflections of the Canadian soul. Just look at how Canadians dominate these fields in the US!
Canada is a backwards nation that has only attained a modern standard of living by leeching off of American accomplishments. For example, there was that period of time when we had an organized program that stole a substantial portion of American slaves! (we called it the Underground Railroad, if you want to look it up) For a more modern example, I don't know a single Canadian who doesn't make unauthorized copies of American software and movies. The government of Canada runs nothing but Windows, but has never paid for a single piece of MS software.
Not only are the creators of South Park Canadian, but so are many prominent people you may have thought were a bit odd, but still American. They don't go to any great lengths to hide it, but somehow it never gets mentioned by any of the 95% of news anchors that are Canadian. Howard Stern, Marilyn Manson, Bill Gates, and Monica Lewinsky are all examples of people you might not have known were born Canadian.
America, on behalf of all Canadians, I apologize! We will destroy your country and feed the entrails of your children to our dogs, but it's nothing personal, eh?
Much of the film is satire. Many of the songs (such as "Blame Canada") are obviously sarcastic and do look at real issues -- at least in a playful and non direct way.
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As much as I hate to avoid the South Park discussion, I just have to say that I sure as hell hope Aimee Mann wins for her work in "Magnolia". The soundtrack album is just brilliant.
>It boggles the mind. If you find this >"entertaining", I suggest you get help.
Maybe, just maybe, people have the freedom to choose what they believe in, and for some people who have no religious faith this kind of stuff is hilarious because it is so silly and overblown.
Maybe they want to find it hilarious without wishing to influence the minds of others on this matter and wouldn't seek to make misplaced and judgemental comments upon others like you have just done.
Instead of Adolf Hitler, Kyle's Mom.
Instead of the Jewish people, Canada and Canadians.
Songs aside, plot aside, Cartman's final battle aside, the Bill Gates death scene aside, the movie made me think of much more than just how Kenny died. It made me think of how people act about offensive material. It made me think of how many parents rely on the government and the like to regulate what their children should and shouldn't see, do, etc. Censorship is only around because the masses demand it, not to interrupt the rights of others, but to make it so they don't have to watch their children 24/7. It also made me realise that we take way too much for granted.
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Don't blame the protestants, blame the Christian Coalition and other such conservative political groups... Family values and all that nonsense...
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I sure as hell do.
No offense to clueful Americans, but the bulk of your population probably couldn't find Canada on a map.
All the time we get American tourists who expect freezing weather in July in Southern Canada (the largest of the 5 provinces). Or some fool who comes into a restaurant and expects a spoon for their soup (imagine it, eating with a spoon in public! I mean, I do it sometimes at home when I'm alone, but I would never touch one in a restaurant). Worst are the people who don't seem to know to tip the border attendants. I mean, they are way too polite to ever say anything about it, but tips are half of their income!
When I travel to the States, I often find people who believe me when I tell them that I live in an igloo, and a friend of mine even had a group believing that he had a pet polar bear. Then I had one guy believing that life was essentially the same in Canada as in the States. Seriously! He believed me when I told him we didn't have compulsory military service and that Canadians have to pay for a university education just like in the States, he even bought it when I told him Canadians can own land! The funniest time, though, was a few years ago when I had a fellow believing that kids in Toronto go to school up to grade 13. Believe me, I've gotten a few free rounds of maple beer with that little story.
Soon what little is left of this sites credibility will be gone along with the lion's share of its visitors.
(I did not say sellout on purpose I abhor cliches.)
I am into the copy and paste.
And I hope no one pays attention to what he says, besides the backwards, Bible-thumping fundamentalists that he panders to.
The site would be really quite humorous if it wasn't so scary. The fact is, there are people out there who think the USA should be a nation exclusively made up of God-fearing fundamentalist Christians, and there are a lot of them, too.
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If this is a troll, congratulations, you've managed to fool a good many people, including myself.
If not, are you aware that many of our Founding Fathers were not Christians, but Deists, and many of them weren't exactly the most moral people around? Thou shalt not commit adultery? Jefferson and Franklin both did.
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gosh i better watch it again, for the 400th time.
correction: about ---> aboot.
Frankly, South Park sux as far as animation is concerned. I you compare it to Tex Avery [art] productions and then look at South Park [trash] you will see what I mean.
Content? well that is a matter of taste, i suppose.
[Definitely Flame Bait!!!!!] I WON't post this anonymously!
And by these immature responses (even if you were quoting from the movie) you give the world more the reason to hate the US. The US by the way after Israel, whom a billion or so muslims want out of the Middle East, is probably the second most hated country in the world. Germany is third of course because of that whole trying to take over the world thing and mass genocide.
I am into the copy and paste.
Little known fact... they're making fun of a particular recording of "It's a small world after all" done many years ago where, after a few verses in English, they said "And if you went to another country, the kids singing it might sound like this!" and then proceeded to have various renditions of the song in very bad pigeon caricatures of the languages. That is, in French it wasn't really French but French-sounding jibberish, and same for Hebrew and Japanese and the like. Very stereotypical, stupid, and completely contrary to the point of the song (for what that's worth).
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Quine "quine?
Though if we're going to assume Disney will win, why not the music from Tarzan?
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Quine "quine?
My favorate: I'm super.
guess we gays have more sense of humor than Canadians.
"First they arrested the Communists but I was not a Communist, so I did nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats - but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then they arrested the trade unionists - and I did nothing because I was not one. And then they came for the Jews and then the Catholics, but I was neither a Jew nor a Catholic and I did nothing. At last they came and arrested me - and there was no one left to do anything about it."
- Rev. M. Niemoller
The MPAA, RIAA, etc. do not hold closed standards above profits. A boycott of all closed standards will indeed force them to open up. Let them put their money where their mouths are. =)
- rak.
Amen brother. Give your self to the Darkside, umm i mean the lord. Now let me quote a passage from the book of our loving and forgiving father. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." Yes accessive violence is ok, as long as its ummm clean..
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Hmmm, IIRC, they have free beer at some of the expos...
Can't wait. I vote for Rush, Bob & Doug Mackenzine and William Shatner.
With inaudable backup vocals by Celine Dion and Bryan Adams. Or maybe they can just beat on Bryan Adams during the preformance.
There are so many possabilities;
wow. smargles sound like very interesting creatures. Why doesn't andover.net give ownership of slashdot to all the smargles collectively? That's what should happen. Write all of your presidents and let them know that Andover.net should hand over ownership of Slashdot.org to smargles. They will gladly comply once they know it is in the peoples' interest. :)
They perform the nominated songs during the ceremony.
Well, as far as I see it there are numerous other movies to get more attention than just that little nominee for SP:BLU.
There is for example Matrix and Episode I being nominated for visual FX. Isn't that something more geeky than an original sound nominee?
And even Fight Club (one of last year's finest if you ask me) got a nominee.
But considering the fact that the last years there were only just one or two movies who got the whole fame (I just remember Titanic ) I wouldn't expect anybody else to get Oscars than American Beauty and Sixth Sense. But maybe they can convince me of something else...
Kenny was willing to go to hell for the betterment of God's kingdom... are you?
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I work in the entertainment industry, and I am active in my particular union. Without exception, in EVERY aspect of the entertainment industry, those of us who live and work in the US are losing jobs by the hundreds to films being shot in Canada. I know countless actors who have lost jobs recently because the show has "gone Canadian". As far as I can tell, none of us have anything against Canada or Canadians, but I think this shows some flicker of a sense of humor in the voting members of the MPAA, since blaming Canada is what a lot of out of work folks want to do right now.
I moderate you down to a -3; Losah.
Quit brown nosing to the likes of JonKatz, Rob Malda and ROBLIMO (the fatty). You are a losah. Nothing more, nothing less. I want to punch you in the face.
Thanks,
TrollKing
If you enjoyed THAT (you sick fucks) then you'll love their review of Dogma. The reviewer seems proud to have left the movie after only 38 minutes. Somehow I get the feeling they'd find something to complain about in Davey & Goliath
I think it's a tie between that and the "ping-pong ball trick"
Normally, all nominated songs get performed during the ceremony. Now with this south park song, will they break the rule or really perform such a song in front of a 100M+ audience? I think performing will kick ass!
Check out their review of The Last Days about the Holocaust. Their review "system" seems to reguard any depiction of violence as a bad thing regardless of what the film maker intends the portrayal to say. The fact that their system would give a documentary about the holocaust and the movie Pulp Finction similar ratings only proves how useless it is
Hard core kiddie porn snuff movies.
...the reviewer of "Saving Private Ryan" was upset that solders were depicted as swearing! It also scored badly on the violence scale because it depicted war as, um, violent...
Really! Grade 13! Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous?
...we have these people to warn us about movies like Dogma. Otherwise, we might have been subjected to "homosexual suggestions", "excessive exposure of female posterior", and "adult in underwear". And that's just in the "Sex/Homosexuality" category!
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Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
As has been mentioned elsewhere in this section, nominations are performed live at the Oscars.
So who should be nominated as entries for the following [proposed] SlashDot poll ?
Who should sing "Blame Canada" at the Oscars ?
a) singer 1
b) singer 2
c) singer 3
d) singer 4
e) Rob/ Hemos sucks
insert suggestions for singers 1..4
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Props to the Academy for nominating a song that isn't sung by Celine Dion or Bryan Adams and playing on the radio all day everyday. For a few years, the "best song" category has simply been the "biggest single off the biggest-selling soundtrack" award. Trey and Marc wrote a brilliant song here, but I think "When She Loved Me" from Toy Story 2 ought to get the nod. It is a simple and beautiful song that expressed emotion much better than any dialogue could. I think that's what the "Best Song" in a movie ought to do.
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Why did any sonmg from South Park get nominated? The movie was funny, but this was not the brilliant piece of satire everyone claims it to be. I mean come on, it goes the easy way to get a laugh. Any idiot can say "Fuck fuck, shit shit, your mom is a bitch", and eventually you'll laugh. The movie at certain points was being purposefully offenisve(Gandi in hell, what the fuck). It's like Parker and Stone were just making parts of the movie to amuse themselves ("Hey, I bet this part will piss a whole lotta people of, isn't that hilarious) Anyway, I got class
To truly appreciate South Park : B.L.U. you have to watch it on DVD with the English Subtitles on. That way you can actually make out all the lyrics which are very smart and funny ;)
"Brian don't eat those wings they're really, really hot!!"
-ShieldWolf
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Considering those verses aren't even in the Bible they're just in "Pulp Fiction", I think that blows your point out of the water...
In the UK, I think the nearest equivalent would be our infamous Eddie "The Eagle" Edwards.
;-)
He was a ski-jumper. Albeit a very bad one, who had a habit of coming last in anything he performed in.
Hence he had the "famous but in a derisory way" jokes made towards him.
This was moderated down to -1, as mere flamebait.
Is that actually a reasonable response to it ?
Let's assume that the AC who posted this is a sincere Xian who really believes that swearing will land you in Heck (if not Hell). What's wrong with that as an opinion ? It's not mine, but the AC has just as much right to hgold it as I might, so why do we blast them with the hair-trigger troll cannon ? If SP is so great, then why don;t a few of us defend it and explain to AC just what its moral justification is ? Surely we're all agreed that Columbine was A Bad Thing and that whatever it is in modern society that leads down that route ought to be stopped ? I just don't happen to blame swearing in South Park for it...
I think their opinion of South Park is just plain wrong (please try watching it) as SP is deliberately far more sophisticated than the crude drawing, grating voices and language would have you believe. It really is a very witty, satirical and deeply moral show, at a level deeper than the obvious. Saying South Park is crude is like saying Reservoir Dogs is violent -- yes it is, but RD is also very much an anti-violence film that doesn't glory in destruction (like much of Hollywood) but presents Tim Roth's slow lingering death as the real horror that it ought to be seen as.
Would I let children watch either ? No way -- (and "child" extends into age 70+ for some people). A "child" doesn't have the moral awareness to see beneath the surface of either, and seeing them only on the surface level is not something I'd want to encourage, at any age.
Note to the original moderator here - I'm querying the moderation, not disagreeing with it. I think it's a valid point for discussion as to whether Slashdot should up or down posts like this; sincere posts with unfashionable viewpoints -- I'm still undecided.
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OK one rumour I heard which makes sense to me...
;)
the word "uncle" was used to replace "mother" in order to get it by the censors.
When you think about it, did you ever hear "uncle fucker" used before the SP movie?
I guess it's ok to fuck your uncle but not your mother. (I wouldn't know personally)
I almost peed my pants when I heard this one.
About ten years ago I paid nearly a hundred bucks to see Le Miserables (the musical [tm]), which takes just the "good bits" out of the Victor Hugo novel and sets them to an even smaller quantity of very loud music. Kind of like this medley but the music wasn't as catchy.
Probably most people in the show's younger demographic didn't have the bucks to shell out on broadway spectaculars back then.
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That was a quote from Pulp Fiction, not the Bible. I don't have one to hand right now, but that is a bastardization of two or three different lines.
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Pretend there is some witty statement here.
> No religious basis is necessary in
order to be a moral person. In fact, religion *hinders* morality. It lowers the mentality to the level of a two year old.
You have the advantage of being able to reason like this after having been raised in a culture informed by Judeo-Christian values. Since you are alive, we can assume that you were not sacrified to some pagan deity as an infant, nor were you 'exposed' on a mountain for being imperfect ( or simply being female, in some cultures), nor were you aborted becuase your parents wanted to assert their 'right' to an easier life above your right to life itself.
As for religion hindering morality and intellectual quality, I await the historical evidence for this extraordinary claim. Many people who have been both more moral and more intelligent than both of us put together have based both of these qualities on their faith in God. Perhaps you need some better education in history. I can say that without hostility because I once believed as you do, before I realized that the evidence was against it.
In fact all that is needed to be moral is to realize that it is a privelidge to be a self-aware being and that the purpose of life is to enjoy this privelidge to its fullest, which can only be achieved if you help others to enjoy theirs.
That's a very nice sentiment, and a pretty good paraphrase of statements Jesus made. How many people would argue with it? Very few. How many times have people who believed this throughout history been able to bring it about? You tell me. When it comes down to it, people will pursue their own advantage whenever it suits them, unless there is a moral authority *greater than themselves and their institutions*. Without God, there is no atrocity that won't seem right to somebody somewhere.
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Your point is well taken, dingbat_hp. However, I think there is a point where satire effectively stops being satire and becomes simple indulgence for the sake of shock value, which must escalate constantly if it's to retain its power. We must ask ourselves, and answer honestly, do we enjoy SP for its social commentary or because of its licensiousness (sp?)? And *how much* shock is necessary to acheive its satirical point?
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Stan: What would Brian Boitano
If was here right now?
He'd make a plan and he'd follow through
That's what Brian Boitano'd do!
Kyle: When Brian Boitano was in the Olympics
Skating for the gold
He did two Salchows and a triple Lutz while wearing a blindfold
Cartman: When Brian Boitano was in the Alps
Fighting grizzly bears
He used his magical fire breath
And saved the maidens fair
Everyone: So what would Brian Boitano do
If were here today?
I'm sure he'd kick an ass or two
That's what Brian Boitano'd do!
Cartman: I want this V-chip out of me
It has stunted my vocabulary
Kyle: And I just want my mom
to stop fighting everyone
Stan: For Wendy I'll be an activist too
Cuz that's what Brian Boitano'd do!
Everyone: What would Brian Boitano do?
He'd call all the kids in town
And tell them to unite for two
That's what Brian Boitano'd do!
When Brian Boitano traveled through time
To the year 3010
He fought the evil robot king
And saved the human race again
Cartman: And when Brian Boitano built the pyramids
He beat up Kublai Kahn
Everyone: Cuz Brian Boitano doesn't take shit from anybody
So let's get all the kids together
For we have to stop our moms
And we'll save Terrance & Phillip too
Cuz that's what Brian Boitano'd do
And we'll save Terrance & Phillip too
Cuz that's what Brian Boitano'd dooooo
Cuz that's what Brian Boitano'd do!
http://www.thehellhole.com/lyrics/bri ando.htm
I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings
I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings (ahh, ahh)
I've never seen a man eat so many chicken wings
Cause that's what Brian Boitano'd do!
Unfortunately, most US citizens (notice we refer to ourselves as Americans, as though we own America. Problem is, what about South America? Or Canada for that matter?) are more clueless about foreign countries/anything beyond 15 km away than they are about, say, Linux. We don't know there is anything other than the US, and if told there is we try to change them to be better and just like us. *blah* NOW I remember why I am going to move out of country in a year or two...
-Elendale (And actually, the Canada song was making fun of irresponsible parents)
IANAT (I Am Not A Troll)
In my opinion, they nominated Blame Canada because it has more than just foolishness. The lyrics of the song (top posts are the lyrics, so I won't bother repeating) are about the parents of South Park who decide to blame canada before "someone blames us." That is, to remove the blame from its cause (the parents) and to place it on something else. This happens all the time, look at the columbine thing (tho w/ that i don't think the parents were the cause, but its the same blame effect) and you'll understand what I mean.
-Elendale (my mom could have been in that song and it would fit...)
IANAT (I Am Not A Troll)
Without God, there is no atrocity that won't seem right to somebody somewhere.
Unfortunately, a good number of the people who commit atrocities not only believe in God, but they believe that He is on their side, and therefore commit said atrocities with what they believe to be the full blessing of God. Now, this is not to say that atrocities have never been committed by people who don't believe in God. But it would be intellectually dishonest to attempt to claim that belief in some sort of deity automatically makes one moral.
Personally, I live by the Golden Rule. I am moral because I feel that others want me to be moral. If large segments of the population behave morally and ethically simply because they are scared of a God that has a metaphysical shotgun wired to their foreheads, so be it. If that's what it takes, so be it. In an ideal society, people would behave morally and ethically out of respect for one another, not out of respect for an ancient character who might "get them" in the afterlife. It saddens me that for so many people, this is apparently not the case.
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
An original paradoy by moi...
Geek1: Time's have changed
Our software's getting worse
It won't obey our line commands
It just makes me want to curse!
Geek 2: Should we blame the DOJ?
Geek 3: Or blame monopoly?
Geek chorus: Or should we blame the pranksters on IRC?
Geek1: No, blame Microsoft
Everyone: Blame Microsoft
Geek1: With all their crappy G-U-Is
And marketing FUD so full of lies
Everyone: Blame Microsoft
Blame Microsoft
Geek1: We need to form a full assault
Everyone: It's Microsoft's fault!
Geek2: Don't blame me
For my broken web site
We ran IIS 4 on NT and man that really bites!
Geek3: And my old favorite program
Was well-behaved under an old DOS
But now when I load it
it tells me to get lost!
Geek1: Well, blame Microsoft
Everyone: Blame Microsoft
It seems that everythings gone wrong
Since Microsoft came along
Everyone: Blame Microsoft
Blame Microsoft
Some Guy: There not even real hackers anyway
Geek4: My Java app could've been the next big game it's true
Instead Win95 crashed with a screen of blue
Everyone: Should we blame the hardware?
Should we blame connectivity?
Or the geeks who were forced to install MS Proxy as their firewall?
Geek1: Heck no!
Everyone: Blame Microsoft
Blame Microsoft
Geek1: With all their pop-up hubbabaloo
Geek3: And that bastard Bill Gates too
Everyone: Blame Microsoft
Shame on Microsoft
The smut we must stop
The trash we must smash
Blue screens are not fun
Windows must all be undone
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
"You have the advantage of being able to reason like this after having been raised in a culture informed by Judeo-Christian values."
Actually, I can reason in *spite* of the fact that I was raised in such a culture. The Christian religion teaches *non-thought* in my opinion. In fact one of its main tenents is not just faith, but blind faith. This is neccessarily a bad thing. Not only that, but there are *many* compelling reasons (both philisophical and factual) to think that Christianity is a pack of fairy tales.
"Since you are alive, we can assume that you were not sacrified to some pagan deity as an infant, nor were you 'exposed' on a mountain for being imperfect ( or simply being female, in some cultures), nor were you aborted becuase your parents wanted to assert their 'right' to an easier life above your right to life itself."
Actually am lucky to be alive in spite of Christianity. My family is Jewish and lived in Russia and Austria before WWII. In Russia, Christians killed thousands of Jews in the pogroms. Need I say anything about the ones in Austria? The ones who stayed in Europe were all killed. BTW, you should not cut on pagan religions, since many of the stories and rituals in Christianity are taken from pagan religions. You should read about Mithras and Zoraster for instance. That's where you guys got Christmas, Easter and the virgin birth. I am not sure why you bring up abortion.
"As for religion hindering morality and intellectual quality, I await the historical evidence for this extraordinary claim. Many people who have been both more moral and more intelligent than both of us put together have based both of these qualities on their faith in God."
First off, more evil has been done in the name of religion than I care to imagine. What planet are you coming from? If you want to counter my argument, please tell me *why* I need religion to be moral. I still stand by my claim that it is detrimental to morality. I do a good act for the sake of goodness and to try and improve the human condition. Religion adds an ulterior motive: hope of reward and fear of punishment. This does two things: It removes your choice. In order for an person to be moral, a person must be free to make a choice to do good or ill. Religion may cause people to act morally for the wrong reason, which is not morality. The lack of choice also degrades the moral act. If I do a good deed for a reward later on, I think my character would be diminished.
"Perhaps you need some better education in history. I can say that without hostility because I once believed as you do, before I realized that the evidence was against it."
I think it is the other way around here and what evidence?
"In fact all that is needed to be moral is to realize that it is a privelidge to be a self-aware being and that the purpose of life is to enjoy this privelidge to its fullest, which can only be achieved if you help others to enjoy theirs.
That's a very nice sentiment, and a pretty good paraphrase of statements Jesus made. How many people would argue with it? Very few. How many times have people who believed this throughout history been able to bring it about? You tell me."
I actually agree with you here. I never said it was easy. In fact religion is the easy way out.
"When it comes down to it, people will pursue their own advantage whenever it suits them, unless there is a moral authority *greater than themselves and their institutions*."
I do not act this way. Please explain why.
"Without God, there is no atrocity that won't seem right to somebody somewhere."
I think it is more accurate this way: In the name of God, there is no atrocity that won't seem right to somebody somewhere.
> But it would be intellectually dishonest to
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attempt to claim that belief in some sort of deity automatically makes one moral.
Indeed, I make no such claim, cje. As a believer, I'm more grieved than anyone about the abuse of Christian identity for other purposes. But the pseudo-religious are not an argument against Christianity any more than pseudo-scientists are an argument against science. If some like to trade on the respect accorded to scientists without living up to the standards of scientific practice, there are also those who cultivate a
religious appearance for the perceived righteousness it grants to their agenda.
> Personally, I live by the Golden Rule.
Of course, you realize where the Golden Rule comes from!
> If large segments of the population behave morally and ethically simply because they are scared of a God that has a metaphysical shotgun wired to their foreheads, so be it.
Actually, I came to believe out of a recognition that God is my Creator and the Source of moral law. Rather than a purely negative fear of God's wrath against sin (though that has some justification!), knowing and *loving* God for *who He is* allows me to trust His law as correct, even when it seems difficult and I'm tempted to seek some other justification for doing what's easy.
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You forgot that Satan threw the fight. He raked in a ton of cash, and left a happier demon.
Is this post not nifty? Sluggy Freelance. Worshi
You can tell the trolls who have been around a while, they usually run in the -2 or occasionally -3 range, however there was the pancake post that hit -5 for some reason. The key to anti-karma is to post, but don't overdue it, only post 5 per day or your IP gets banned and then your out of luck. Keep the trollin' for Tuesdays only and the anti-karma builds up fairly quickly and that leave 6 other days to actually contribute to the site in a positive way.
Thanks you,
A professional Troll
> In fact one of its main tenents is not just faith, but blind faith.
...many of the stories and rituals in
:-) Many have tried and failed to find that smoking gun.
:-D
"Critically examine everything. Hold on to the good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21. My faith is not blind.
> In Russia, Christians killed thousands of Jews in the pogroms. Need I say anything about the ones in Austria? The ones who stayed in Europe were all killed.
Please do not equate Christianity with Nazism, or anti-semitism in general. I've addressed this in other posts until I'm tired of cutting and pasting. Not everyone who makes an appeal to religion is acting according to what that religion teaches. Did you know that the senior rabbi of Rome converted to the Catholic church after WWII, out of respect for how much the Church had done to protect Jews during the occupation?
>
Christianity are taken from pagan religions.
To convince me of this, you would have to show a direct link to these religions and the development of Christian doctrine. Vague similiarities are not enough. Considering that there is evidence that the early Christian church resisted any and all pagan influence as vigorously as Judaism had, I don't envy you in such a task!
> Religion may cause people to act morally for
the wrong reason, which is not morality. The lack of choice also degrades the moral act.
On one hand, you point out that many people have committed atrocities throughout history using religion as a justification, now you say that religious people have a "lack of choice"???
> In fact religion is the easy way out.
The easy way out *for who*??? The thousands of people throughout history who chose torture and death rather than simply renounce their faith? Is it the "easy way out" for me to argue with you than to agree as I once would have? I suggest that making up your own morality, based on what you want or what *others want from you*, is taking the easy way out.
> I do not act this way. Please explain why.
I'm glad to hear it. I don't know you and can't personally accuse you of anything. But let me put it this way: what means of natural reason have not been tried to bring about peace and plenty in this world? Capitalism, communism, democracy, monarchy, fascism... perhaps more science and technology will do it? Ultimately, man's intractible problem is Moral, not so much in *defining* morality (though that is often a problem) but in the *will* to live justly and charitably. Rather than do what is obviously right, we make excuses. *That* is the overwhelming conclusion of history, and it overrides our individual claims to personal morality.
Anyway, thanks for listening so far, if indeed you are!
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<sarcasm>Sounds like a great idea. Hey, if everyone had the same attitude, we could all live in our worlds of uninformed stereotypes forever. Wouldn't that be great?</sarcasm>
Personally, I come down firmly on both sides of this issue. I do not believe that it is necessary to believe in a religion to act morally.
Kierkegaard, who was Christian, set himself the problem of defining morality in the absence of religion. He essentially came up with a grandiose version of the Golden Rule. He said that by commiting an act, you in essence sanction that act. You say it is okay for everyone to act that way. If you act in a way that is socially harmful, that harm will will eventually come to you from another. The awareness of this fact should cause one to act morally because ultimately, this leads others to act morally.
This replacement of ethic by action is one of the foundations of existential thought.
I happen to think this way of thinking is entirely sufficient for a system of morals.
The problem is, sometimes the harm caused by the moral sanction of an act (say, buying cheap clothes that are cheap because they were made by practically slave labor) is hard to see. Sometimes people are too self absorbed to see that their actions are harmful (how does me cheating on this test harm anyone else?) to the community.
It is much more simple to take the "You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!" system to coerce moral action.
Now, that said, I hardly think that religion, in and of itself, necessarily arrests moral development. From Aquinas to Kierkegaard, from Thomas More to Thomas a Becket, from Mohandas Ghandi to Martin Luther King, people of faith have wrestled with questions of morality and society with great depth, sophistication, and insight.
Sure, some "religious" people use their "you go to hell and you die!" black and white world view to render the moral universe into a "two year-old" mentality, but this is not because of religion. This is becuase they, themselves, happen to have a two year-old mentality.
Non-religous persons are equally capable of oversimplifying moral questions.
That's why I loved "What Would Brian Boitano Do?" as a parody of the oversimplistic "What Would Jesus Do?" school of moral philosophy.
Although I don't see even that as inherently dangerous. If WWJD causes some people to reflect on the consequences of their actions before they act, it probably does improve moral conduct. The problem I have is the imprimateur one might think this gives their actions. "I thought about it, and this is what Jesus would do, therefore what I am doing is as righteous as Christ himself!" I don't think human agency should ever presume such knowledge.
Of course, you realize where the Golden Rule comes from! :-D
:-) The point is that it's an awfully easy way to explain morality to those who claim that morality is not possible unless one believes in a god (or more specifically, the Hebrew wind god Yahweh that the Christians worship.) I assert this is false.
There are many places the Golden Rule comes from. Probably every culture on the planet, be it Eastern or Western, be it monotheistic / polytheistic / atheistic, be it developed or emerging, be it whatever, has a way of saying it. Obviously, you cannot claim that the Golden Rule was an invention of Christianity, just as you cannot claim that it was the invention of any other religion or culture. It is a simple, obvious precept that is bound to appear in any sufficiently-evolved culture. (In some ways, it's a bit like calculus; both Newton and Leibniz are credited with independently discovering it. It was just there, waiting for somebody to discover it and write it down.)
But it's really irrelevant where it comes from. What's relevant is what it says: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Note that it does not say "Do unto others as God wants you to", and it certainly doesn't say "Do unto others in a certain way, or boy, are you gonna get it!"
I wrote the above post, but clicked on the "post anonymously" checkbox instead of the "no score +1 bonus", which was my intention. Apologies for any confusion.
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
> those who claim that morality is not possible unless one believes in a god
Ouch! I don't say that some such morality is *impossible* or could never be invented without a belief in God or an afterlife. Many of the fundamental moral precepts are indeed self-evident. Who really supports murder or theft on moral grounds? Surprise, it did happen in Germany in WWII!! That was Nazi righteousness in action!
Rather, I assert that morality *in its entirety* becomes a circular argument without the original authority of the Creator. Without God as the ultimate reference for morality, we're left to fend for ourselves, personally and individually (are we really that infallible?), or we must derive it from concensus (sp?) (are we really that conformist? Note that the Nazis were...)
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> The problem I have is the imprimateur one might
think this gives their actions. "I thought about it, and this is what Jesus would do, therefore what I am doing is as righteous
as Christ himself!" I don't think human agency should ever presume such knowledge.
Agreed, evilpenguin. This problem is exactly one of the causes of evil in the name of faith throughout history. People have to realize that not every act taken by a Christian (or those who claim to be Christian) is an accurate presentation of the faith. Thanks for a fine post!
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I think the phrase everyone wants to be saying is "Greatest Common Divisor" instead...just a thought. I figured with your cogent reply you would have caught that, but oh well...
We hate everybody else right back, so it all evens out. Oh did I mention we all have rifle racks in our pickups too?
I'm not sure if you got the joke. I hoped that it was clearly ludicrous, but the truth was intermixed with the lies closely enough to create doubt.
For the record here is what was true and what was a joke (all these statements are true, if it says "joke" that means that I joked the opposite in the original post):
Somehow I forgot to work in jokes about our 2-dollar bills (isn't there an American saying "phoney as a 2-dollar bill"?). Unfortunately, like grade 13, these were recently phased out, in favor of 2-dollar coins (much to the delight of waitresses, pizza delivery personnel, and border attendents - whoops! did I do it again?).
I can understand about the quality of slashdot posts declining if all we're going to get is one-sided bashing.
free speach
Did you mean: free speech
Strange, but I can watch something like Schindler's List or another movie that uses violence and swearing to make a point.
I can see where the creativity is in South Park with some of the situations, but I can't enjoy it because matt & Trey seem intent on ruining it.
A lot of its rabid fans (and a lot of /. posters, too, apparently) have trouble understanding that a few unlucky people like me just don't enjoy humour served that way.
free speach
Did you mean: free speech
Man- if they only knew the TRUTH about "Mary Poppins" - it's a goddam Marxist allegory! All those chimny sweepers popping up represent the masses rising up! The capitalist oppressor- an English banker. They have eyes, but they do not see.
Its a-boot honor! Its a-boot dignity!
Thats when x-men the move comes out http://www.xmenthemovie.com