First hop from modem to terminal server is 120 ms minimum on a dialup connection, period.
Turn off error correction and data compression (do them in the app, not in the modem) and the minimum latency goes down by at least 50 ms. It may not beat DSL, but you don't need extra hardware nor a $240/year service contract upgrade from dial-up Internet access.
56k modes can send 53kbps easily.
Not according to this page and this page. In order for a "56k" connection to work, the party on the "ISP" end has to have a digital phone line.
What if Palladium decides not to load today, and I can't access my own documents, even those *I* created?
Microsoft has made it clear that if you own the rights to a document (for example, if you created the document), you will always be given a choice whether or not to save it in a Palladium vault.
BTW, my brain insists your handle is "yerricide"
Several E2 members make that same mistake. Blame Rose-Hulman for taking the first six letters of the family name, plus the initials of the first two given names, from Damian EYerrick.
Because this is the FREE license, it means that BM is not violating anti-trust laws by forbidding competition, because you can purchase the product
Oh really? BM's web site doesn't give a price for the full version of BK. I haven't asked BM for pricing information, but last time I tried contacting a company about a software product whose price wasn't listed (some filesystem development library for NT), I got a figure of $100,000 per seat, which is more than most individual developers can afford without getting a second mortgage. By not listing the price, BM may be saying: "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
After all, you don't see people complaining on LKML that Microsoft Visual Studio is not free.
The Microsoft Visual Studio EULA doesn't prohibit licensees from developing GCC. On the other hand, the free(beer) BK license prohibits users of free(beer) BK from developing revision control software, even if they don't use free(beer) BK to develop such software.
why should a company develop a piece of software, and give a limited (???) version away for free in hopes of people paying for the full version, only to allow people to use the free version to create competing software?
Except the incident in question doesn't involve using the free(beer) version of bitkeeper to work on a replacement. It involves somebody who works two jobs: in one job, he uses free(beer) bitkeeper; in the other, he works on a replacement. The EULA crosses that separation of jobs by restricting the person, not the use of the software.
Oh really? How else does one store a sampled sound or a bitmap image? Sure, a vector image can be stored as SVG source code, but most current desktop environments use bitmap images for icons, and CVS wasn't designed to handle two-dimensional data.
But you can still read your video card's framebuffer
If you read from memory that your app doesn't have read access to, you get a SIGSEGV. Palladium applications will be able to allocate memory spaces that even apps running as root won't have read access to.
Trying a fake video driver? That may not work if Microsoft does with video what it had done with audio. The Secure Audio Path built into Windows ME and XP won't play audio to unsigned drivers, and Microsoft won't sign a driver unless it turns off all digital outputs whenever the Secure Audio Path is open.
On the plus side, some of the old versions of realplayer allow print screen if you are at full screen.
In realplayer 7 and 8 for Windows, I can go to View > Preferences > Performance and turn off "Use optimized video display", and realplayer won't use an overlay.
But, by Jove, if I can see it on the screen, I can retype it.
Even if it's programmed to scroll automatically at a rate no slower than 150 words per minute, which most amateur typists can't keep up with? Lyrics.ch's system does this.
Really? Good DVD decoders can use the MPEG-2 motion vectors to decide whether to bob or weave a particular portion of the image, which gets rid of a lot of the interlace artifacts.
Google doesn't cache stylesheets but instead points stylesheet requests to the regular server. I have to wait for the connection to the slashdotted server to time out before a typical web browser (IE or Mozilla) will even draw the page.
Most of the popular dialup isps run at least 20.00 per month.
I'm talking about families that have dial-up but don't have broadband: either the parents can't afford it, the kids live at boarding school or university for nine months out of the year, or the family lives in a "non-serviced area" where the next step up from ISDN is T1. They can use the Sony service but not the Microsoft service.
A good mode connection can rip apart DSL in terms of latency?! Please, let me know what planet you reside on, as I think we'd all love to live somewhere that 120ms is usually greater than 10-40ms
Unlike cable and DSL, a connection from one phone modem to another phone modem doesn't have to go through the Internet.
For games that are latency bound, cablemodems AND DSL destroy modems. The internet is a big big place full of lots of information
Then skip the Internet. Set up the game for a direct modem to modem connection, or run a PPP server on the one computer. Then use a phone card that charges per call rather than per minute; you can find those in convenience stores across the USA. From there, you can play with virtually no lag. You'll only get 28.8 (56k modems can't send near 56k), but you'll get NO LAG.
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COOL!! the gba is now a console...
For one thing, the Game Boy handheld video game systems have always followed the console pricing model (include the OS license in the price of the games rather than the price of the computer). Thus, the Game Boy systems are handheld consoles.
For another thing, you can play GBA games on TV with the third-party TV de Advance adapter, which qualifies the GBA as a TV console placed somewhere between the Super NES and the Genesis 32x.
Not only does the GBA have a tv-out accessory, it now has tv-in as well.
If you don't have broadband already, what the hell are you doing on Slashdot?
Replying to your comment;-)
Besides, who really wants to play games on a modem
Not all games are first-person shooters; Starcraft works fine over 56k. Heck, the architecture of turn-based games doesn't care about lag at all; those games work even over a satellite connection with 1000 ms ping.
Apparently FireWire is up to 800 mbps now. Can Serial ATA do device-to-device transfers without CPU intervention? If not, cut your bandwidth in half.
Apple also did not invent Firewire, it was a standard ratified by the IEEE. Thus, the reason it is called IEEE 1394.
Apple invented FireWire and submitted it to IEEE. What makes you think they didn't? From the page I linked to:
Apple invented FireWire in the mid-90s and shepherded it to become the established cross-platform industry standard IEEE 1394. FireWire is a high-speed serial input/output technology for connecting digital devices such as digital camcorders and cameras to desktop and portable computers.
Bud beer? Hell no. See my previous comment. Besides, not all people who are considering using Blender are of legal age for consuming alcoholic beverages.
would you really want to play these games on a dial up connection
If you live in the sticks where the only available broadband is $500/mo T1, yes.
Are you suggesting that most people will get a broadband connection and use it for nothing but XBox Live.
Yes. The players' parents don't have any use for the broadband because all they do is e-mail and simple web surfing. Even if the family drops the $19/mo dial-up account, that's still $21/mo extra for broadband vs. dial-up, bringing the total to $300 per year. It's less than $500, but still more expensive than the typical Christmas present.
So let's say I sign up for 3 MMORPGs games that I play on my computer and I'm paying let's say $10 a month for each, plus I have a broadband connection that costs $40 a month.
No, but if you sign up for one MMORPG, you still have to pay $40 a month. And if you travel, you have to pay $40 a month times however many places you play games from because broadband works only from one location. Most subscription services (such as MMORPGs) can be dialed into from any location; broadband Internet access can't.
If anything, most people will probably already have a broadand connection.
I don't because I travel.
In any case, the cost of a broadband connection is comparable to the cost of dial up when you factor in the connection costs plus the cost of service.
Most people don't buy a second phone line to run dial-up Internet access. Sure, you can drop your phone line and get VoIP, but 911 Emergency service doesn't work with VoIP.
Its good for hunting down background information about systems.
That is, if you're an expert at formulating queries. If you really want to reduce the number of "Ask Slashdot" questions that Google could answer better, then don't just gripe that it should have been an "Ask Google" question. Instead, teach your fellow users how to formulate an effective query.
Only games that are better on console than PC are fighting games
What about platformers? Or are you counting American Mcgee's Alice as a good-enough replacement for Super Mario 64 and 65? And what about 2D SNES/GBA style games? I haven't seen many of those native on PC, except for a few ports directly from a console (Sonic & Knuckles comes to mind).
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First hop from modem to terminal server is 120 ms minimum on a dialup connection, period.
Turn off error correction and data compression (do them in the app, not in the modem) and the minimum latency goes down by at least 50 ms. It may not beat DSL, but you don't need extra hardware nor a $240/year service contract upgrade from dial-up Internet access.
56k modes can send 53kbps easily.
Not according to this page and this page. In order for a "56k" connection to work, the party on the "ISP" end has to have a digital phone line.
What if Palladium decides not to load today, and I can't access my own documents, even those *I* created?
Microsoft has made it clear that if you own the rights to a document (for example, if you created the document), you will always be given a choice whether or not to save it in a Palladium vault.
BTW, my brain insists your handle is "yerricide"
Several E2 members make that same mistake. Blame Rose-Hulman for taking the first six letters of the family name, plus the initials of the first two given names, from Damian E Yerrick.
Because this is the FREE license, it means that BM is not violating anti-trust laws by forbidding competition, because you can purchase the product
Oh really? BM's web site doesn't give a price for the full version of BK. I haven't asked BM for pricing information, but last time I tried contacting a company about a software product whose price wasn't listed (some filesystem development library for NT), I got a figure of $100,000 per seat, which is more than most individual developers can afford without getting a second mortgage. By not listing the price, BM may be saying: "If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
After all, you don't see people complaining on LKML that Microsoft Visual Studio is not free.
The Microsoft Visual Studio EULA doesn't prohibit licensees from developing GCC. On the other hand, the free(beer) BK license prohibits users of free(beer) BK from developing revision control software, even if they don't use free(beer) BK to develop such software.
why should a company develop a piece of software, and give a limited (???) version away for free in hopes of people paying for the full version, only to allow people to use the free version to create competing software?
Except the incident in question doesn't involve using the free(beer) version of bitkeeper to work on a replacement. It involves somebody who works two jobs: in one job, he uses free(beer) bitkeeper; in the other, he works on a replacement. The EULA crosses that separation of jobs by restricting the person, not the use of the software.
Binary? Sounds a bit iffy
Oh really? How else does one store a sampled sound or a bitmap image? Sure, a vector image can be stored as SVG source code, but most current desktop environments use bitmap images for icons, and CVS wasn't designed to handle two-dimensional data.
Why not run the program on a virtual machine
Because Windows will recognize the virtual machine and load without Palladium support.
or use device drivers that copy all received data to a mass storage device?
Because Windows will recognize the unsigned drivers and load without Palladium support.
When you boot without Palladium support, you can't access the vaults that locked documents are stored in.
But you can still read your video card's framebuffer
If you read from memory that your app doesn't have read access to, you get a SIGSEGV. Palladium applications will be able to allocate memory spaces that even apps running as root won't have read access to.
Trying a fake video driver? That may not work if Microsoft does with video what it had done with audio. The Secure Audio Path built into Windows ME and XP won't play audio to unsigned drivers, and Microsoft won't sign a driver unless it turns off all digital outputs whenever the Secure Audio Path is open.
On the plus side, some of the old versions of realplayer allow print screen if you are at full screen.
In realplayer 7 and 8 for Windows, I can go to View > Preferences > Performance and turn off "Use optimized video display", and realplayer won't use an overlay.
But, by Jove, if I can see it on the screen, I can retype it.
Even if it's programmed to scroll automatically at a rate no slower than 150 words per minute, which most amateur typists can't keep up with? Lyrics.ch's system does this.
Surely 60 fields/sec, you mean.
Really? Good DVD decoders can use the MPEG-2 motion vectors to decide whether to bob or weave a particular portion of the image, which gets rid of a lot of the interlace artifacts.
turn your stylesheets off.
How does one tell Mozilla not to download stylesheets?
Google doesn't cache stylesheets but instead points stylesheet requests to the regular server. I have to wait for the connection to the slashdotted server to time out before a typical web browser (IE or Mozilla) will even draw the page.
Most of the popular dialup isps run at least 20.00 per month.
I'm talking about families that have dial-up but don't have broadband: either the parents can't afford it, the kids live at boarding school or university for nine months out of the year, or the family lives in a "non-serviced area" where the next step up from ISDN is T1. They can use the Sony service but not the Microsoft service.
A good mode connection can rip apart DSL in terms of latency?! Please, let me know what planet you reside on, as I think we'd all love to live somewhere that 120ms is usually greater than 10-40ms
Unlike cable and DSL, a connection from one phone modem to another phone modem doesn't have to go through the Internet.
For games that are latency bound, cablemodems AND DSL destroy modems. The internet is a big big place full of lots of information
Then skip the Internet. Set up the game for a direct modem to modem connection, or run a PPP server on the one computer. Then use a phone card that charges per call rather than per minute; you can find those in convenience stores across the USA. From there, you can play with virtually no lag. You'll only get 28.8 (56k modems can't send near 56k), but you'll get NO LAG.
COOL!! the gba is now a console...
For one thing, the Game Boy handheld video game systems have always followed the console pricing model (include the OS license in the price of the games rather than the price of the computer). Thus, the Game Boy systems are handheld consoles.
For another thing, you can play GBA games on TV with the third-party TV de Advance adapter, which qualifies the GBA as a TV console placed somewhere between the Super NES and the Genesis 32x.
Not only does the GBA have a tv-out accessory, it now has tv-in as well.
Kind of a nitpick, but every broadband service I've heard of offers a dialup connection to use when you're on the road.
By "travel," I meant "away from home nine months out of the year". The cable and DSL companies don't want to give me a three-month service contract.
If you don't have broadband already, what the hell are you doing on Slashdot?
Replying to your comment ;-)
Besides, who really wants to play games on a modem
Not all games are first-person shooters; Starcraft works fine over 56k. Heck, the architecture of turn-based games doesn't care about lag at all; those games work even over a satellite connection with 1000 ms ping.
Serial ATA is 1200 Mbps while Firewire is 400
Apparently FireWire is up to 800 mbps now. Can Serial ATA do device-to-device transfers without CPU intervention? If not, cut your bandwidth in half.
Apple also did not invent Firewire, it was a standard ratified by the IEEE. Thus, the reason it is called IEEE 1394.
Apple invented FireWire and submitted it to IEEE. What makes you think they didn't? From the page I linked to:
or buy a 12 pack of Bud.
Bud beer? Hell no. See my previous comment. Besides, not all people who are considering using Blender are of legal age for consuming alcoholic beverages.
would you really want to play these games on a dial up connection
If you live in the sticks where the only available broadband is $500/mo T1, yes.
Are you suggesting that most people will get a broadband connection and use it for nothing but XBox Live.
Yes. The players' parents don't have any use for the broadband because all they do is e-mail and simple web surfing. Even if the family drops the $19/mo dial-up account, that's still $21/mo extra for broadband vs. dial-up, bringing the total to $300 per year. It's less than $500, but still more expensive than the typical Christmas present.
So let's say I sign up for 3 MMORPGs games that I play on my computer and I'm paying let's say $10 a month for each, plus I have a broadband connection that costs $40 a month.
No, but if you sign up for one MMORPG, you still have to pay $40 a month. And if you travel, you have to pay $40 a month times however many places you play games from because broadband works only from one location. Most subscription services (such as MMORPGs) can be dialed into from any location; broadband Internet access can't.
If anything, most people will probably already have a broadand connection.
I don't because I travel.
In any case, the cost of a broadband connection is comparable to the cost of dial up when you factor in the connection costs plus the cost of service.
Most people don't buy a second phone line to run dial-up Internet access. Sure, you can drop your phone line and get VoIP, but 911 Emergency service doesn't work with VoIP.
Its good for hunting down background information about systems.
That is, if you're an expert at formulating queries. If you really want to reduce the number of "Ask Slashdot" questions that Google could answer better, then don't just gripe that it should have been an "Ask Google" question. Instead, teach your fellow users how to formulate an effective query.
If you have an AOL account, Lindows will not allow you to dial in and log on to the account.
I stand corrected. Now I realize that running Linux and having AOL as your ISP will cost $300 (plex86 + Windows 2000 license).
who's gonna stop anyone from snooping around in, and altering the files then?
Not if (as in Diablo 2) the save files for online games are stored on the server.
Not if there is some sort of strong encryption, or at least strong hashing, done on each save file.
Only games that are better on console than PC are fighting games
What about platformers? Or are you counting American Mcgee's Alice as a good-enough replacement for Super Mario 64 and 65? And what about 2D SNES/GBA style games? I haven't seen many of those native on PC, except for a few ports directly from a console (Sonic & Knuckles comes to mind).