No, I'm saying that regardless of the cost to produce, the going rate for a media player is free.
Would you also like to enforce that AOL charge for all versions of winamp? How about apple charging for all version of QuickTime? How about that open source VideoLan? I suppose the cost for developing that was $0, right?
I'm guessing that you've got a double standard that you are refusing to fess up to.
The fact is that people want a media player in the box. They also want a browser in the box. We can list many things that people want in the box, including an email client, a text editor, printer support, a paint program, and even a calculator. All of these things have a going rate of FREE and thats due in part to open source software, web applets, and so on.
So I will ask again, if firefox was bundled with windows instead of internet explorer, would you cry foul? Answer the question or do not respond. Your failure to answer while quoting the question is evidence that you do not like your own answer. You apparently didn't even like the answer that 'no browser should be bundled' because you obviously realize that in todays world thats just silly.
There were plenty of free media players before WMP existed. I seem to recall a DOS media player called "Dual Module Player" that played like 2 dozen different media formats. When hasnt winamp been free? How about open source media players? Do you suppose they would charge for them if there wasnt a WMP?
You claim that these companies used to charge for media players, but fail to cite evidence that there was EVER a time when the most popular players were something other than free.
uhh, no, the problem here is that Microsoft hasnt offered any solutions. Others have claimed that Microsoft has suggested disabling autorun because of this virus, but that is actualy not the case. Microsoft has not made any recommendations related to this virus AFAIK, but has released a patch (which may not fully work?)
Many of the hardest hit institutions seems to be those which should already have rules against the use of any USB devices.. why are iPod's and thumb drives being plugged into government and military computers?? umm, helllllo? espionage anyone?
Did you expect them to make up a non-market price for WMP when the current market price for all popular media players (not just WMP) is exactly $0?
I wonder if Microsoft said "screw it" and bundled Firefox with Windows 7 instead of Internet Explorer, would all your Microsoft haters have any complaints at all? My guess is that no, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't for at least 4 or 5 years, until such time that you decide that Firefox was evil.
What you are essentialy saying is that you arent bright enough to figure out a way to use one of the well known firefox cross-site security exploits to get into a linux machine, and then another one of the well known privilage escalation exploits that most all linux distributions have to run some code as root.
You say this, but want us to care about your opinion on security matters.
You may very well be one of the last Linux users to admit that they are part of a botnet, simply because you believe blind faith is more powerfull than a clever person.
They said the same shit about how secure unix was, yet common programs like sendmail are still to this day exploitable entry and escalation vectors, in spite of the HUNDREDS of fixes based on CERT advisories that have already been applied to it.
These 1TB drives are going for about $100. Thats 100MB for a penny! 1GB for a dime! 10GB for a dollar!
It should be obvious to everybody that quality is going to kind of suck, precisely because of how completely incomprehensibly amazing this is.
Exactly how robust can a freaking BIT be when the total cost of it is $0.0000000001?
Data storage is rapidly approaching free.. so umm.. DUH.. its going to be unreliable.. Want data security? But a second drive and pay $0.0000000002 per bit for a little redundancy, or $0.0000000004 for a lot of redundancy.
While a lower capacity drive costs more per bit, it wouldn't be unremarkable for the cost-per-reliablity to be significantly better.
(Note that it would take 4 hours of constant copying to mirror one of these 1TB drives under the most ideal conditions)
I would like to add tho, that part of the problem is the death of the algorithmist. That guy who not only knows what big-O notation is, but also knows through-and-through why its important.
Even otherwise bright people who do know the basics of big-o notation sometimes still don't get it. A healthy percentage of slashdot posters, for instance, think that raytracings O(log n) superior runtime complexity isnt 'good enough' to eventualy trounce rasterizations O(n) complexity. They just don't get it, but for an algorithmist it is as plain as mergesort vs bubblesort. The algorithmist knows that for a sufficiently large n, the better runtime complexity not only wins, but wins by such an overwelming landslide that there isn't even an interresting debate about it.
I for one hope that these managed languages become more popular, because the current state of affairs is that there are a lot of C and C++ programmers who can't even program something mildly complex without leaking memory or allowing stack busting/buffer overflowing. They insist that they need the power of C or C++ but are not capable of using it.. the reality is that they need the best optimizing compiler available to them because they don't know shit about optimization. Experts armed with only vbscript can run circles around their C code.
Someone needs to make them understand that programming in C/C++ does not make them an expert, and that actualy their 100% reliance on C/C++ is pretty good evidence that they are NOT experts.
That 5Gbps speed isnt even very attractive now. With SSD-based drives approaching the very maximum throughput that USB 3.0 is expected to offer, this pretty much cripples high speed SSD's potential as an external plugin device (yeah... eSata, gimme a break)
They should have worked with manufacturers to come up with an effective strategy to grow into a large bandwidth overshoot, such as 32Gbps, which is essentialy the bandwidth of PCIe 1.0 with 16 lanes, the kind of data rates nearly every motherboard manufactured in the last 5 years can already handle. Lower cost devices wouldn't have to spit out such bandwidth, so essentialy the cost would be on the motherboards supporting such an aggressive standard (such thinking worked for PCIe.)
Are you nuts? They would love for you to pick up the cost of materials and printing.
Did you think that the newpaper was their product? Quite the contrary, their product is the readers of the newspaper, which are bulk leased to advertisers.
Hey BitHive, which part of the situation is confusing you?
Did you not notice that he said (factualy) that the government forced these institutions (not just F&F) to lend their money to people who cannot afford the loans?
The free market did exactly what is to be expected in this case, which was to as best it can find a way to get rid of the unreasonable risk that it was forced to take on.
You want to blame the market for high risk lending but that wasn't the markets problem. The markets problem was that they were forced to do it by the government (ie: the markets problem was the government intrusion.)
This is another fine example of the governments good intentions throwing down some vertical asphalt for the free market.
Heres an idea. If you want X but the free market isnt providing X, then don't force the free market to provide X. Provide X in some other way, because the free market would already be providing X if it was a good bet. Don't force it to make bad bets.
I am reminded of the hype surrounding Oblivions Radiant AI before the game was released, and how the final product needed most of its AI ripped out completely.
If the icecaps shrink its caused by melting due to global warming. If the icecaps grow its caused by increased precipitation due to global warming. If its warmer in the winter its the increased heat due to global warming. If its colder in the winer its the increased climate variation due to global warming. If there are more hurricanes its due to warmer waters due to global warming. If there are less hurricanes its due to increased windsheer in the atmosphere due to global warming.
Translation: Everything you can measure we can pin on global warming, so we need to heavily regulate all industries, before its too late!
oh come on now, Microsoft is no stranger to writing software for a product which competes with their own. Its one of the reasons that they are so successful. Its a software company, so I honestly don't see how writing software confirms any sort of 'donkey punch'
Like it or not, the cutting of backward compatibility hurts the business. Its all well and good to dream of a product without the flaws of past iterations, but thats not how you build an empire.
As strange as it sounds, I run windows *BECAUSE* I like choice. Yes, I am locked into Microsoft's way, but that way offers the most choices that matter (hardware and applications) and that simply wouldn't be the case if Microsoft has trashed backward compatibility like everyone else.
What these companies already know is that the people who will buy the game will, and the people that wont will not.
What EA wants here is near maximum saturation. They want the people that wont buy it to also have it, hence the media blitz, hence the release to pirates days before commercial release, and so on.
They've got millions of people creating content that they now own. Sporepedia is full of assets they would traditionally had to pay big money for (hundreds of millions of dollar, maybe even billions.)
"not invented here" but more importantly "hijacked by a bunch of special interest dirt-bags that don't care how crappy opengl remains as long as it still does what THEY need"
The problem with your vision of prediction is that *many* climate scientist search for such basardized "predictions" as you call them. This is data-mining 101. They are equation mining for methods, given existing data set A, which can fill in values of data set B. If they do not fill in those values, they do not publish.try a new set of equations, until finally they can publish.
Your utopian view of what is occuring is false. The real thing happening is that there are a thousand-and-one climate scientists fishing for funding, permuting through methodologies, until they can get published. If the filter on the publishing side is that it must show skill at filling in a given data set, then thats exactly what you get. It *IS* fitting to the existing data.
In the financial world, claims of the validty of a prediction mechanism based on the standards of climate science, would get you THROWN IN JAIL. Why do you suppose that is? It is because you cannot tell the difference between fitted methods and predictive methods until real predictions are made.
A scientific theory comes with a method of predicting future observations. Please explain a method "The Theory of AGW" uses to predict a future observation (ie: an equation), and then we can examine its skill at predicting it.
This is a critical step in science.. it is not the same as "agrees with observations", it must agree with FUTURE observations. There are an infinite number of equations that can fit any finite set of past observations. The only evidence thre can be that you have an equation that shows skill, is predicting data that was unavailabe during its formulation, with each future observation eliminating more and more of those equations that fit past observations.
Survive the cut. Make a prediction. Then we'll talk.
While its true that SATA had very low sights set (unfortunately), its not like PATA's limitations.
A single SATA-I channel can deliver 150MB/s and a SATA-II can deliver 300MB/s, but unlike PATA, SATA channels are independent (No master/slave sharing relationships.) Most motherboards come with 4 SATA ports of some kind right on the motherboard, so can be delivered 600MB/s or 1200MB/s via RAID0 or some other striped setup.
An additional factor is that not all SATA controllers are equal. Most cannot handle a full blast from all 4 channels and indeed the controller has been found to be the limiting factor in many cutting edge RAID setups (see the "Battleship MTRON" tests) This is where these Hard-Card's come into play. By bundling the controller with the drives, the RAIDed nature of these devices becomes completely transparent.
The adoption of a standard greater than SATA-II is inevitable, but that will just push these Hard-Card's even further, because after all... SATA-III or whatever it is will still be overshadowed by RAIDed versions of it.
Also a possibility is that these Hard-Card's are given very large DRAM caches (1GB, for example) which pretty much eliminates the SSD Random Write issue for nearly all consumers, since they will not be writing 1GB randomly.
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No, I'm saying that regardless of the cost to produce, the going rate for a media player is free.
Would you also like to enforce that AOL charge for all versions of winamp? How about apple charging for all version of QuickTime? How about that open source VideoLan? I suppose the cost for developing that was $0, right?
I'm guessing that you've got a double standard that you are refusing to fess up to.
The fact is that people want a media player in the box. They also want a browser in the box. We can list many things that people want in the box, including an email client, a text editor, printer support, a paint program, and even a calculator. All of these things have a going rate of FREE and thats due in part to open source software, web applets, and so on.
So I will ask again, if firefox was bundled with windows instead of internet explorer, would you cry foul? Answer the question or do not respond. Your failure to answer while quoting the question is evidence that you do not like your own answer. You apparently didn't even like the answer that 'no browser should be bundled' because you obviously realize that in todays world thats just silly.
There were plenty of free media players before WMP existed. I seem to recall a DOS media player called "Dual Module Player" that played like 2 dozen different media formats. When hasnt winamp been free? How about open source media players? Do you suppose they would charge for them if there wasnt a WMP?
You claim that these companies used to charge for media players, but fail to cite evidence that there was EVER a time when the most popular players were something other than free.
uhh, no, the problem here is that Microsoft hasnt offered any solutions. Others have claimed that Microsoft has suggested disabling autorun because of this virus, but that is actualy not the case. Microsoft has not made any recommendations related to this virus AFAIK, but has released a patch (which may not fully work?)
.. why are iPod's and thumb drives being plugged into government and military computers?? umm, helllllo? espionage anyone?
Many of the hardest hit institutions seems to be those which should already have rules against the use of any USB devices
Did you expect them to make up a non-market price for WMP when the current market price for all popular media players (not just WMP) is exactly $0?
I wonder if Microsoft said "screw it" and bundled Firefox with Windows 7 instead of Internet Explorer, would all your Microsoft haters have any complaints at all? My guess is that no, no you wouldn't. You wouldn't for at least 4 or 5 years, until such time that you decide that Firefox was evil.
What you are essentialy saying is that you arent bright enough to figure out a way to use one of the well known firefox cross-site security exploits to get into a linux machine, and then another one of the well known privilage escalation exploits that most all linux distributions have to run some code as root.
You say this, but want us to care about your opinion on security matters.
You may very well be one of the last Linux users to admit that they are part of a botnet, simply because you believe blind faith is more powerfull than a clever person.
They said the same shit about how secure unix was, yet common programs like sendmail are still to this day exploitable entry and escalation vectors, in spite of the HUNDREDS of fixes based on CERT advisories that have already been applied to it.
Have some more kool-aid, OH YEAH.
These 1TB drives are going for about $100. Thats 100MB for a penny! 1GB for a dime! 10GB for a dollar!
It should be obvious to everybody that quality is going to kind of suck, precisely because of how completely incomprehensibly amazing this is.
Exactly how robust can a freaking BIT be when the total cost of it is $0.0000000001?
Data storage is rapidly approaching free.. so umm.. DUH.. its going to be unreliable.. Want data security? But a second drive and pay $0.0000000002 per bit for a little redundancy, or $0.0000000004 for a lot of redundancy.
While a lower capacity drive costs more per bit, it wouldn't be unremarkable for the cost-per-reliablity to be significantly better.
(Note that it would take 4 hours of constant copying to mirror one of these 1TB drives under the most ideal conditions)
I agree.
I would like to add tho, that part of the problem is the death of the algorithmist. That guy who not only knows what big-O notation is, but also knows through-and-through why its important.
Even otherwise bright people who do know the basics of big-o notation sometimes still don't get it. A healthy percentage of slashdot posters, for instance, think that raytracings O(log n) superior runtime complexity isnt 'good enough' to eventualy trounce rasterizations O(n) complexity. They just don't get it, but for an algorithmist it is as plain as mergesort vs bubblesort. The algorithmist knows that for a sufficiently large n, the better runtime complexity not only wins, but wins by such an overwelming landslide that there isn't even an interresting debate about it.
I for one hope that these managed languages become more popular, because the current state of affairs is that there are a lot of C and C++ programmers who can't even program something mildly complex without leaking memory or allowing stack busting/buffer overflowing. They insist that they need the power of C or C++ but are not capable of using it.. the reality is that they need the best optimizing compiler available to them because they don't know shit about optimization. Experts armed with only vbscript can run circles around their C code.
Someone needs to make them understand that programming in C/C++ does not make them an expert, and that actualy their 100% reliance on C/C++ is pretty good evidence that they are NOT experts.
That 5Gbps speed isnt even very attractive now. With SSD-based drives approaching the very maximum throughput that USB 3.0 is expected to offer, this pretty much cripples high speed SSD's potential as an external plugin device (yeah... eSata, gimme a break)
They should have worked with manufacturers to come up with an effective strategy to grow into a large bandwidth overshoot, such as 32Gbps, which is essentialy the bandwidth of PCIe 1.0 with 16 lanes, the kind of data rates nearly every motherboard manufactured in the last 5 years can already handle. Lower cost devices wouldn't have to spit out such bandwidth, so essentialy the cost would be on the motherboards supporting such an aggressive standard (such thinking worked for PCIe.)
Are you nuts? They would love for you to pick up the cost of materials and printing.
Did you think that the newpaper was their product? Quite the contrary, their product is the readers of the newspaper, which are bulk leased to advertisers.
Lisa was for home users? The thing cost $10,000 in 1983.
Hey BitHive, which part of the situation is confusing you?
Did you not notice that he said (factualy) that the government forced these institutions (not just F&F) to lend their money to people who cannot afford the loans?
The free market did exactly what is to be expected in this case, which was to as best it can find a way to get rid of the unreasonable risk that it was forced to take on.
You want to blame the market for high risk lending but that wasn't the markets problem. The markets problem was that they were forced to do it by the government (ie: the markets problem was the government intrusion.)
This is another fine example of the governments good intentions throwing down some vertical asphalt for the free market.
Heres an idea. If you want X but the free market isnt providing X, then don't force the free market to provide X. Provide X in some other way, because the free market would already be providing X if it was a good bet. Don't force it to make bad bets.
"Hi! I'm Linux, and I'm a religion."
"Hi! I'm a Mac, and I'm also a religion."
"Hi! I'm a PC, and I'm not a religion. I'm a King."
I am reminded of the hype surrounding Oblivions Radiant AI before the game was released, and how the final product needed most of its AI ripped out completely.
If the icecaps shrink its caused by melting due to global warming. If the icecaps grow its caused by increased precipitation due to global warming. If its warmer in the winter its the increased heat due to global warming. If its colder in the winer its the increased climate variation due to global warming. If there are more hurricanes its due to warmer waters due to global warming. If there are less hurricanes its due to increased windsheer in the atmosphere due to global warming.
Translation: Everything you can measure we can pin on global warming, so we need to heavily regulate all industries, before its too late!
oh come on now, Microsoft is no stranger to writing software for a product which competes with their own. Its one of the reasons that they are so successful. Its a software company, so I honestly don't see how writing software confirms any sort of 'donkey punch'
With that in mind, either JavaScript or VBScript.
Both of these languages require no IDE and will run just by clicking on the source file within windows. Every windows machine since Win98 has both.
Here is a simple VBScript:
a = 10
b = 20
wscript.echo a + b
Like it or not, the cutting of backward compatibility hurts the business. Its all well and good to dream of a product without the flaws of past iterations, but thats not how you build an empire.
As strange as it sounds, I run windows *BECAUSE* I like choice. Yes, I am locked into Microsoft's way, but that way offers the most choices that matter (hardware and applications) and that simply wouldn't be the case if Microsoft has trashed backward compatibility like everyone else.
I think in this case, yes.
What these companies already know is that the people who will buy the game will, and the people that wont will not.
What EA wants here is near maximum saturation. They want the people that wont buy it to also have it, hence the media blitz, hence the release to pirates days before commercial release, and so on.
They've got millions of people creating content that they now own. Sporepedia is full of assets they would traditionally had to pay big money for (hundreds of millions of dollar, maybe even billions.)
I invented the Compact Genetic Algorithm, only later to find out that I was beaten to the punch.
No college training of any kind, but have been banging on keys for 30 years.
This is exactly why the main competitor to Linux is not Windows, nor is it OSX or BSD.
The main competitor to Linux is Linux.
Thanks for sharing all the great things about Linux with me. I'm really stoked about all the hard choices you guys get to make.
I have an ATI video card. I hope that wont be a problem.
"not invented here" but more importantly "hijacked by a bunch of special interest dirt-bags that don't care how crappy opengl remains as long as it still does what THEY need"
You said "Blah blah blah" and you are wrong.
The problem with your vision of prediction is that *many* climate scientist search for such basardized "predictions" as you call them. This is data-mining 101. They are equation mining for methods, given existing data set A, which can fill in values of data set B. If they do not fill in those values, they do not publish.try a new set of equations, until finally they can publish.
Your utopian view of what is occuring is false. The real thing happening is that there are a thousand-and-one climate scientists fishing for funding, permuting through methodologies, until they can get published. If the filter on the publishing side is that it must show skill at filling in a given data set, then thats exactly what you get. It *IS* fitting to the existing data.
In the financial world, claims of the validty of a prediction mechanism based on the standards of climate science, would get you THROWN IN JAIL. Why do you suppose that is? It is because you cannot tell the difference between fitted methods and predictive methods until real predictions are made.
You don't seem to know what a prediction is then.
A scientific theory comes with a method of predicting future observations. Please explain a method "The Theory of AGW" uses to predict a future observation (ie: an equation), and then we can examine its skill at predicting it.
This is a critical step in science.. it is not the same as "agrees with observations", it must agree with FUTURE observations. There are an infinite number of equations that can fit any finite set of past observations. The only evidence thre can be that you have an equation that shows skill, is predicting data that was unavailabe during its formulation, with each future observation eliminating more and more of those equations that fit past observations.
Survive the cut. Make a prediction. Then we'll talk.
While its true that SATA had very low sights set (unfortunately), its not like PATA's limitations.
A single SATA-I channel can deliver 150MB/s and a SATA-II can deliver 300MB/s, but unlike PATA, SATA channels are independent (No master/slave sharing relationships.) Most motherboards come with 4 SATA ports of some kind right on the motherboard, so can be delivered 600MB/s or 1200MB/s via RAID0 or some other striped setup.
An additional factor is that not all SATA controllers are equal. Most cannot handle a full blast from all 4 channels and indeed the controller has been found to be the limiting factor in many cutting edge RAID setups (see the "Battleship MTRON" tests) This is where these Hard-Card's come into play. By bundling the controller with the drives, the RAIDed nature of these devices becomes completely transparent.
The adoption of a standard greater than SATA-II is inevitable, but that will just push these Hard-Card's even further, because after all... SATA-III or whatever it is will still be overshadowed by RAIDed versions of it.
Also a possibility is that these Hard-Card's are given very large DRAM caches (1GB, for example) which pretty much eliminates the SSD Random Write issue for nearly all consumers, since they will not be writing 1GB randomly.
All my prOn can be sorted into various scatagories. Softscat, Hardscat, and Holyscat.