First of all, born in a socialist paradise of the former USSR I can absolutely say that even this more specific definition applies.
Secondly, people have been put to jail for tax evasion, USA loves to do it. Being a tax slave is no different than being an actual slave, it's even more disgusting, because there are too many of them on the plantation, believing that the system is fair and willing to drug down anybody who is even remotely doing better than them. This is democratically inflicted slavery.
Thirdly, the way things are going, with the new laws that are designed to prevent people from leaving, increasing the cost of leaving. From the new 450USD charge for the citizenship renouncement forms, to being forced to liquidate all assets before renouncing the citizenship, being denied foreign passport, having the passport nullified if a person owes more than 25,000 in taxes, so not being able even to go abroad owing taxes... people are turned into slaves of the State.
Those who renounce their citizenship shouldn't tell the slave masters that they are doing so because they want to stop paying US taxes, they will be denied their application.
I am just lucky I never was a US citizen in the first place.
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As to being ashamed, that's funny. Today the slave owners don't look at the skin colour and they let you off their ranch, you don't have to stay there, you can go home. As long as you pay your dues, they won't hang you.
China actually produces what you are buying, almost all of it. 90% of your seafood comes out of Asia.
I mean, your comment is borderline hilarious and insane.
As to taxing everything, why not? You already are taxing everything, just bring it up some more, see how that works out for you, when you can't actually afford anything. You already can't afford Chinese goods without the Chinese constantly loaning you the money to buy the products they, themselves create.
It's time for the Chinese gov't to stop printing the Yuan, stop buying up the USD and subsidising all this conspicuous consumption by all these other nations.
In fact if the Chinese can't just stop printing Yuan, they'd be better served just printing them and giving them away to their own people rather than buying US dollars and Euro and other crap with them. There, I said it, it's so ridiculous to do that, but it would make more sense than what they are doing now!
Since we are talking about FB for no reason, shouldn't more appropriate stories come up, like the fact that it's going IPO soon?
It's really amazing that the inflation is so gigantic now, that it destroyed so many businesses and killed off real savings, that the investors are flocking just to anything that has some buzz around it. Sure, sure, a half a billion to a billion accounts are there, it's a sea of information and contacts and eyeballs, it's really amazing that there are so many people using the same platform, but after everything it is just another site, it's not like there weren't sites like this before and nobody really prevents more sites like this from appearing in the near future. Are people really intimately tied to their FB accounts? I don't know, I am just asking. To me it looks like a huge inflation driven bubble and a reflection of our time of lack of genuine investment opportunities due to lack of real savings and freedoms, but maybe I am completely wrong on this, I just don't know.
Isn't that a more interesting story than somebody pretending to be somebody else?
There are 2 factors for this: first is the inflation (money printing by gov't) and second is actual growing demand with the nuclear reactors being shut down.
I actually found out that many of the Japanese exporters are also part of the gov't itself, this goes way back in Japan, that the top manufacturers and businessmen are also in government, so now I can completely see why the gov't is destroying the purchasing power of the people, lowering the prices of Japanese goods via destroying the Yen rather than having the purchasing power of the Japanese currency holders maintain value and grow it actually (given the productivity of the Japanese manufacturers) and having the exporters face the reality that the only reason they export by devaluing currency is that it lowers the actual prices for the Japanese goods to the foreign customers.
The Japanese people, just like all other people in the world, are being systematically hurt by their government, this will have to end eventually, it's now leading to a serious global economic disaster.
I suggest Japan switches to powering itself with Activists.
An average size activist has a mass of approximately 70Kg (counting the younger people and women into the average).
70Kg of a raw unadulterated activist contains about 6.3 Ã-- 1018 J, which translates to 6Ã--1015 BTU, or 1.7Ã--1012 KW/hr.
Thus only one activist fully converted into energy should in principle be sufficient to power Japan for about 25 years.
Of-course this is assuming that an activist can be fully converted into energy, but since an average activist is against all forms of energy that people actually need to live, we can also conclude that activists are generally against human survival, and thus they are self-defeating. If the activists get their way, there will be no humans, but there also will be no activists, so by converting activists into energy even in less efficient ways (an open fire stove), would still provide us with some energy and bring the Earth closer to the blissful moment, when the people are removed from it, starting with the activists.
I did move, also I have Cyprus registered business, why? Why is everybody trying to switch the conversation to be personal, when did you all lose ability to talk about ideas rather than specific instances of events?
If you had to pay no taxes, would your employer need to pay you so much? I've never understood why so many people think that if they paid less they would have more. Businesses aren't going to pay you anymore than they have to to ensure you walk in the door tomorrow morning.
- first of all, my problem with taxes is that it's theft of productivity, life, forced labour, slavery.
Secondly, without income related taxes the people would be much more productive, because when they are taxed, it's their savings that are reduced, and savings is what people over-produced and under-consumed, and the difference becomes savings, which is used as investment. Only private investment creates wealth.
Thirdly, why would I ever want to give money to people working for gov't? I don't need anything that gov't does, I want as little of it as humanly possible. Not only is gov't impeding on my freedoms in life, but I am forced to pay for that?! That's amazing.
As to your question: of-course taxes reduce ability of employers to attract more choice and better choice of labour, that should be obvious on its face.
Yeah, Greece, where gov't was 'small' and didn't interfere with the economy, yes? Greece is exactly like USA, except it's smaller in size, population and it can't print reserve currency.
But in terms of gov't per capita, spending with fake credit and living on what other people provide (produce), it's exactly like the US. USA is going to find itself in the same trouble as Greece once interest rates spike, and the Fed can't keep them with fake money down forever.
I am pretty familiar with the USSR economy. While the government did take a large chunk off one's wages, probably over 50% (maybe up to 70%, hard to give a specific number), the wages were way above "subsistence." People used their wages to buy expensive at that time electronics (TVs, video players), travel inside the country; frugal ones bought cars. For the 50-70% taxation, people were getting 100% free healthcare, 100% free kindergarten, high school, and college education and decent retirement benefits to name some.
- OK, I was born and lived in USSR, let's take this apart, piece by piece.
1. Taxes. Taxes in the former USSR were built into the paycheck, however that was just a show. Every person was working for the gov't, thus nobody had to file any tax returns, because that made no sense, why would you have to do that, legally you basically couldn't have any income other than what the gov't paid you.
Of-course you could in principle do something underground - even simplest of things, like make your own soap and sell it, grow some food and sell it, rent out a room in your apartment.
But, first of all, the apartments were given out by the State, not acquired in any free market, there was a huge shortage of housing, multiple generations of people lived in one apartment, old, pre-war apartments were shared by multiple families, a family of 3, 4 people could live in one room, sharing a kitchen and a bathroom and the hall with a few more families.
People waited for new housing their entire lives. Obviously situations were different, the more enterprising people were in the Communist Party, running the place, so they certainly had ability to get paid much more, specifically they could steal things and get bribes from all over the place, and they did. They got apartments, housing without long line ups, they even got more than that - 'dacha', which is a country house, where one would go on a weekend or for holidays.
But the point is there was huge shortage of living accommodations, my parents waited for 17 years for an apartment in Ukraine. 17 freaking years in a line up.
2. Cars. Well, if you can call those ridiculous metal boxes cars, but even those couldn't be acquired by anybody living on a 'normal engineer salary' of 120 rubles. A car would cost 5-7000, depends on a car, depends on time it would differ, but basically it would take one person about 10 years of unspent salary to buy a car, in reality nobody could buy a car for that money.
Cars were bought on the black market, for twice, tree times their nominal prices, people bought (or stole) parts over long period of time and put together the cars themselves.
You see, when everybody gets the same salary (about 60 rubles for a cleaner, to the average and most common salary of 120 rubles paid to engineers, doctors, teachers, I am talking post-Krustchev, before Brezhnev, when normal salaries were about 3000 'old' rubles for a factory worker), an experienced factory worker could be making 200-350 rubles, a high ranking manager would be around 200-500.
A politician, a party member wasn't working for money. REAL USSR economy was not built with money, it was built with connections, with personal relationships. That's what happens when money is fake, and money was fake, trillions of rubles were printed and put into circulation year after year.
Farmers could have some extra money, because they would grow their own crops and sell them at markets, the cops would take bribes, protection racket, not to throw a book at those semi-legal activities.
People stole from everywhere they could, from factory floors, to collective farms, to construction. The army was a pretty good place to steal from, or maybe just use the conscripts for personal purposes - built a bigger 'dacha' (country house) for the generals or politicians or managers, what else is new.
Taxes in USSR were completely irrelevant, because money was fake and people were quite poor.
Funny Orwellian double-gobbledygook, saying that not paying taxes is evil.
TAXES ARE EVIL.
Taxes are theft, forced labour, slavery.
Avoiding taxes is a virtue, a moral obligation, goodness itself. We should all avoid as much as possible to ensure that the gov't has as little as possible, they are already stealing everything under the Sun just through inflation, it's gov't that is evil.
1. You have to feed and cloth and take care of slaves, by the way, it's not like they are cheap to care for, that's first. Free people are much cheaper for employers, because there are all sorts of mechanisms in actual free market to care for people that cannot develop with slavery at all.
2. No slave will actually work, they'll do something, they won't produce as well as free people. They certainly are going to be creative at finding ways to avoid work rather than being creative at work.
3. A slave society is a poor society, much poorer than a society where people can build new businesses because they saved some money and figured they'd be better off trying to turn a profit - that's how societies become wealthy, not with few slave owners and large crowds of slaves.
Ran Paul is 100% correct on the Civil Rights Act as well.
That is a violation of individual rights to property and association, it is an entitlement giving a group of people gov't backing to come out with lawsuits and by the way, it backfired. There are over 3 times as many unemployed young blacks as there were prior to 1964.
Just place that right there, into the receptacle, while we are going to show you these images.
There are a few problems with this approach of-course, first of all signing into an ATM somewhere in public will look suspiciously like fucking a box, and secondly this excludes about half of the population from the technique, so I guess it's a bit discriminatory. Of-course they could have special attachments with sensors on them for the other half of the population.
Of-course at the time when USA is now charging $450 for the citizenship renouncement forms, while they were free just a year ago... at the time when it became impossible to leave without liquidating all of your assets and paying the so called 'exit tax' (why the hell can't a foreigner own things in your country by the way, isn't that a way to make sure that the foreigners can never be paid for their dollars)... at the time of the border fences, that are as likely to be used to keep you in as keep illegals out (as I understand at this point more illegals are leaving, not coming in, that's how bad the economy is)...
It wouldn't seem rational that the feds would allow an entire State to leave, even though the Constitution has clearly been abandoned, which means the contract is broken.
Oh, terrorists don't know why they are terrorists? They know full well, why they are terrorists and why they hate 'us'. That's because 'we' are there, on their lands.
Are you the kind of guy who doesn't understand why Iran is what it is and thinks that the story with Iran started with 1979 hostage situation?
Iran has a much longer history than that, including the 1951 assassination of a democratically elected leader. Assassination carried out by the US and UK operatives in order to secure access of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company to Iranian oil.
Of-course today Anglo-Persian Oil Company is known as BP.
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First of all, born in a socialist paradise of the former USSR I can absolutely say that even this more specific definition applies.
Secondly, people have been put to jail for tax evasion, USA loves to do it. Being a tax slave is no different than being an actual slave, it's even more disgusting, because there are too many of them on the plantation, believing that the system is fair and willing to drug down anybody who is even remotely doing better than them. This is democratically inflicted slavery.
Thirdly, the way things are going, with the new laws that are designed to prevent people from leaving, increasing the cost of leaving. From the new 450USD charge for the citizenship renouncement forms, to being forced to liquidate all assets before renouncing the citizenship, being denied foreign passport, having the passport nullified if a person owes more than 25,000 in taxes, so not being able even to go abroad owing taxes... people are turned into slaves of the State.
Those who renounce their citizenship shouldn't tell the slave masters that they are doing so because they want to stop paying US taxes, they will be denied their application.
I am just lucky I never was a US citizen in the first place.
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As to being ashamed, that's funny. Today the slave owners don't look at the skin colour and they let you off their ranch, you don't have to stay there, you can go home. As long as you pay your dues, they won't hang you.
China actually produces what you are buying, almost all of it. 90% of your seafood comes out of Asia.
I mean, your comment is borderline hilarious and insane.
As to taxing everything, why not? You already are taxing everything, just bring it up some more, see how that works out for you, when you can't actually afford anything. You already can't afford Chinese goods without the Chinese constantly loaning you the money to buy the products they, themselves create.
It's time for the Chinese gov't to stop printing the Yuan, stop buying up the USD and subsidising all this conspicuous consumption by all these other nations.
In fact if the Chinese can't just stop printing Yuan, they'd be better served just printing them and giving them away to their own people rather than buying US dollars and Euro and other crap with them. There, I said it, it's so ridiculous to do that, but it would make more sense than what they are doing now!
Since we are talking about FB for no reason, shouldn't more appropriate stories come up, like the fact that it's going IPO soon?
It's really amazing that the inflation is so gigantic now, that it destroyed so many businesses and killed off real savings, that the investors are flocking just to anything that has some buzz around it. Sure, sure, a half a billion to a billion accounts are there, it's a sea of information and contacts and eyeballs, it's really amazing that there are so many people using the same platform, but after everything it is just another site, it's not like there weren't sites like this before and nobody really prevents more sites like this from appearing in the near future. Are people really intimately tied to their FB accounts? I don't know, I am just asking. To me it looks like a huge inflation driven bubble and a reflection of our time of lack of genuine investment opportunities due to lack of real savings and freedoms, but maybe I am completely wrong on this, I just don't know.
Isn't that a more interesting story than somebody pretending to be somebody else?
Given that the Japanese gov't is doing everything it can to make importing raw materials more expensive by devaluing the currency and given this latest development of the Japanese nuclear reactors being shut down, one can conclude that the demand for oil, coal, gas, and other minerals will have to keep climbing.
There are 2 factors for this: first is the inflation (money printing by gov't) and second is actual growing demand with the nuclear reactors being shut down.
I actually found out that many of the Japanese exporters are also part of the gov't itself, this goes way back in Japan, that the top manufacturers and businessmen are also in government, so now I can completely see why the gov't is destroying the purchasing power of the people, lowering the prices of Japanese goods via destroying the Yen rather than having the purchasing power of the Japanese currency holders maintain value and grow it actually (given the productivity of the Japanese manufacturers) and having the exporters face the reality that the only reason they export by devaluing currency is that it lowers the actual prices for the Japanese goods to the foreign customers.
The Japanese people, just like all other people in the world, are being systematically hurt by their government, this will have to end eventually, it's now leading to a serious global economic disaster.
I suggest Japan switches to powering itself with Activists.
An average size activist has a mass of approximately 70Kg (counting the younger people and women into the average).
70Kg of a raw unadulterated activist contains about 6.3 Ã-- 1018 J, which translates to 6Ã--1015 BTU, or 1.7Ã--1012 KW/hr.
Thus only one activist fully converted into energy should in principle be sufficient to power Japan for about 25 years.
Of-course this is assuming that an activist can be fully converted into energy, but since an average activist is against all forms of energy that people actually need to live, we can also conclude that activists are generally against human survival, and thus they are self-defeating. If the activists get their way, there will be no humans, but there also will be no activists, so by converting activists into energy even in less efficient ways (an open fire stove), would still provide us with some energy and bring the Earth closer to the blissful moment, when the people are removed from it, starting with the activists.
Slaves could run away from their masters just as well, didn't make their situation into 'malarkey'.
I did move, also I have Cyprus registered business, why? Why is everybody trying to switch the conversation to be personal, when did you all lose ability to talk about ideas rather than specific instances of events?
So you think everyone should have to hire a private guard if they wanted their home safe from robbers?
- do you have cops protecting you from robbers?
And of course a body guard to protect them from murderers.
- you have cops stationed with you, keeping you safe from murderers?
Don't forget about private bounty hunters to avenge the murders of your family and catch people who evaded your guards and stole your stuff.
- cops avenge for murders and they care about stolen stuff?
And cities should be left to burn then the inhabitants should collect insurance?
- this is incoherent.
After all who cares about keeping people alive. It's just about their future earnings.
- you think somebody gives a hoot about you now?
If you had to pay no taxes, would your employer need to pay you so much? I've never understood why so many people think that if they paid less they would have more. Businesses aren't going to pay you anymore than they have to to ensure you walk in the door tomorrow morning.
- first of all, my problem with taxes is that it's theft of productivity, life, forced labour, slavery.
Secondly, without income related taxes the people would be much more productive, because when they are taxed, it's their savings that are reduced, and savings is what people over-produced and under-consumed, and the difference becomes savings, which is used as investment. Only private investment creates wealth.
Thirdly, why would I ever want to give money to people working for gov't? I don't need anything that gov't does, I want as little of it as humanly possible. Not only is gov't impeding on my freedoms in life, but I am forced to pay for that?! That's amazing.
As to your question: of-course taxes reduce ability of employers to attract more choice and better choice of labour, that should be obvious on its face.
Yeah, Greece, where gov't was 'small' and didn't interfere with the economy, yes? Greece is exactly like USA, except it's smaller in size, population and it can't print reserve currency.
But in terms of gov't per capita, spending with fake credit and living on what other people provide (produce), it's exactly like the US. USA is going to find itself in the same trouble as Greece once interest rates spike, and the Fed can't keep them with fake money down forever.
police
- I am against police, private security is enough to deal with private matters, police exists to enforce the State's ability to destroy your freedoms.
firefighters?
- that's what insurance is for.
I am pretty familiar with the USSR economy. While the government did take a large chunk off one's wages, probably over 50% (maybe up to 70%, hard to give a specific number), the wages were way above "subsistence." People used their wages to buy expensive at that time electronics (TVs, video players), travel inside the country; frugal ones bought cars. For the 50-70% taxation, people were getting 100% free healthcare, 100% free kindergarten, high school, and college education and decent retirement benefits to name some.
- OK, I was born and lived in USSR, let's take this apart, piece by piece.
1. Taxes. Taxes in the former USSR were built into the paycheck, however that was just a show. Every person was working for the gov't, thus nobody had to file any tax returns, because that made no sense, why would you have to do that, legally you basically couldn't have any income other than what the gov't paid you.
Of-course you could in principle do something underground - even simplest of things, like make your own soap and sell it, grow some food and sell it, rent out a room in your apartment.
But, first of all, the apartments were given out by the State, not acquired in any free market, there was a huge shortage of housing, multiple generations of people lived in one apartment, old, pre-war apartments were shared by multiple families, a family of 3, 4 people could live in one room, sharing a kitchen and a bathroom and the hall with a few more families.
People waited for new housing their entire lives. Obviously situations were different, the more enterprising people were in the Communist Party, running the place, so they certainly had ability to get paid much more, specifically they could steal things and get bribes from all over the place, and they did. They got apartments, housing without long line ups, they even got more than that - 'dacha', which is a country house, where one would go on a weekend or for holidays.
But the point is there was huge shortage of living accommodations, my parents waited for 17 years for an apartment in Ukraine. 17 freaking years in a line up.
2. Cars.
Well, if you can call those ridiculous metal boxes cars, but even those couldn't be acquired by anybody living on a 'normal engineer salary' of 120 rubles. A car would cost 5-7000, depends on a car, depends on time it would differ, but basically it would take one person about 10 years of unspent salary to buy a car, in reality nobody could buy a car for that money.
Cars were bought on the black market, for twice, tree times their nominal prices, people bought (or stole) parts over long period of time and put together the cars themselves.
You see, when everybody gets the same salary (about 60 rubles for a cleaner, to the average and most common salary of 120 rubles paid to engineers, doctors, teachers, I am talking post-Krustchev, before Brezhnev, when normal salaries were about 3000 'old' rubles for a factory worker), an experienced factory worker could be making 200-350 rubles, a high ranking manager would be around 200-500.
A politician, a party member wasn't working for money. REAL USSR economy was not built with money, it was built with connections, with personal relationships. That's what happens when money is fake, and money was fake, trillions of rubles were printed and put into circulation year after year.
Farmers could have some extra money, because they would grow their own crops and sell them at markets, the cops would take bribes, protection racket, not to throw a book at those semi-legal activities.
People stole from everywhere they could, from factory floors, to collective farms, to construction. The army was a pretty good place to steal from, or maybe just use the conscripts for personal purposes - built a bigger 'dacha' (country house) for the generals or politicians or managers, what else is new.
Taxes in USSR were completely irrelevant, because money was fake and people were quite poor.
The poor quality of pro
Funny Orwellian double-gobbledygook, saying that not paying taxes is evil.
TAXES ARE EVIL.
Taxes are theft, forced labour, slavery.
Avoiding taxes is a virtue, a moral obligation, goodness itself. We should all avoid as much as possible to ensure that the gov't has as little as possible, they are already stealing everything under the Sun just through inflation, it's gov't that is evil.
Ha ha ha, you don't pay them, you want others to pay them.
Progressivism:
1. Saying that those who make money and don't give it to you are greedy bastards.
2. Being generous with other people's money.
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Taxes don't buy civilisation, taxes buy slavery.
Civilisation is bought with individuals doing business and people participating voluntarily.
noooo, reaaalyyy? seeeriously? I couldn't possibly understand that from the headline.
But did you know that in this thread the GP was talking about....
Ron Paul can't do anything about it. The man has no power. He has one isolated seat in congress.
As I said: no motivation.
1. You have to feed and cloth and take care of slaves, by the way, it's not like they are cheap to care for, that's first. Free people are much cheaper for employers, because there are all sorts of mechanisms in actual free market to care for people that cannot develop with slavery at all.
2. No slave will actually work, they'll do something, they won't produce as well as free people. They certainly are going to be creative at finding ways to avoid work rather than being creative at work.
3. A slave society is a poor society, much poorer than a society where people can build new businesses because they saved some money and figured they'd be better off trying to turn a profit - that's how societies become wealthy, not with few slave owners and large crowds of slaves.
First: that's nonsense, free people work much more effectively. Slaves have no motivation to produce more than any minimum that won't get them killed.
Secondly: you obviously have no moral objections to slavery.
He is absolutely correct, but it needs to be properly generalised:
Any income taxes are forced labour, and any amount of forced labour is slavery.
Ron Paul can't do anything about it. The man has no power.
- and he is not supposed to have power. Neither should others in government have power.
Ron Paul built a coalition to get a partial audit of the Fed, you now know at least something they were doing, and even this little information is horrendous.
And it is correct.
Ran Paul is 100% correct on the Civil Rights Act as well.
That is a violation of individual rights to property and association, it is an entitlement giving a group of people gov't backing to come out with lawsuits and by the way, it backfired. There are over 3 times as many unemployed young blacks as there were prior to 1964.
I guess it's just that time of the month, you just can't operate heavy machinery. Nature, what are you gonna do?
Just place that right there, into the receptacle, while we are going to show you these images.
There are a few problems with this approach of-course, first of all signing into an ATM somewhere in public will look suspiciously like fucking a box, and secondly this excludes about half of the population from the technique, so I guess it's a bit discriminatory. Of-course they could have special attachments with sensors on them for the other half of the population.
Funny stuff.
Of-course at the time when USA is now charging $450 for the citizenship renouncement forms, while they were free just a year ago... at the time when it became impossible to leave without liquidating all of your assets and paying the so called 'exit tax' (why the hell can't a foreigner own things in your country by the way, isn't that a way to make sure that the foreigners can never be paid for their dollars)... at the time of the border fences, that are as likely to be used to keep you in as keep illegals out (as I understand at this point more illegals are leaving, not coming in, that's how bad the economy is)...
It wouldn't seem rational that the feds would allow an entire State to leave, even though the Constitution has clearly been abandoned, which means the contract is broken.
Oh, terrorists don't know why they are terrorists?
They know full well, why they are terrorists and why they hate 'us'.
That's because 'we' are there, on their lands.
Are you the kind of guy who doesn't understand why Iran is what it is and thinks that the story with Iran started with 1979 hostage situation?
Iran has a much longer history than that, including the 1951 assassination of a democratically elected leader. Assassination carried out by the US and UK operatives in order to secure access of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company to Iranian oil.
Of-course today Anglo-Persian Oil Company is known as BP.