Well, a huge part of the data model and object model is pretty much the same across multiple applications here, so it's easy to reuse the beans that way, and the communications between server/server and server/full client are then very simply serialized objects, which are java objects. So that works smoothly when all parts are using the same object model and serialization functions, which is what you get with Java. So I haven't looked at say serializing/deserializing Java object model in python. It probably can be done, I haven't looked at it, and if the business requires something like that I may as well have to at some point, I just don't see the reasons right now, when the app is working and only features are added.
Yes, I have looked at it as well, but as I said, the client is normally running as a stand alone, there is no real good reason to have a browser window around the application window, so it's not really the main point. The main point is portability and complete compatibility between all solutions, binary compatibility as well as source compatibility.
Between various server side systems here, plenty of source code ends up being reused. From beans to helper classes, to entire packages. It's like one huge application that spans central office, stores, suppliers, manufacturers and even clients, so there is no reason to not reuse multiple pieces of it all over the place. Write once, hopefully reuse as much as possible.
But I said specifically that I have a set of components, applications that are all written in Java, so why would reusing JVM with a different language be so great? It means having to learn all of the pitfalls of another language, and I code in Java since 97, among other things.
What is the advantage? There HAS to be an advantage to move code form one language to another, especially given that I have most of the main functionality done, and now it's just adding features and fixing whatever bugs that are found. What is the advantage of taking on another rewrite like that in a different language?
I am just counting the applications here, trying to remember all of them I created for the project in 2 years. FFS, FFL, Titan, Deimos, Mimas, IO Server, Phobos and Phobos Client, and a few small things besides those big ones. 7 of them are server side, 2 of them provide thin client and 1 is a full client that can be used as a stand alone or an applet (but it's used in production as a stand alone).
What would be the incentive to rewrite any of this in a new language, given that these are not toys, but are created for business?
Well, in my case this particular client application is normally installed as full desktop app, running it an applet is possible and I sometimes do it, but that's not the main selling feature. In reality there is no reason to run this application in a browser. In a store there are normally 2 computers for administrators - one is on the Internet and internal network, and the other is on the internal network only. Both computers have the client installed and one of them has the server installed, both clients connect to that server.
The client app can control the store over the Internet without a browser as well. One issue that I found is that I have to replace the default open sdk that comes with Ubuntu for Sun implementation of the JVM. Also out of 15 computers installed, 3 are sometimes misbehaving in a strange way, the JVM gets killed with a weird problem like this. Yes, not everything is 100% smooth, but having this on 3 computers out of 15 (which really need to be replaced), is telling me that something is more likely to be wrong with the entire setup rather than the language or the JVM.
I have a set of systems I am building that are used by a store chain. It's my line of products, one of the components is a store management system that is used in the stores. Every piece is server/client, but in this component the client is a Java swing application that also can be used as an applet (that's the good part about Java, with minimum work you can have it working as an applet if it works as an application.)
So I know that most people on/. are derisive about such solutions, but I am moving the stores from Window platform to GNU/Linux (Ubuntu actually). Of-course it's possible to build everything in C and C++, etc., but when the entire solution is java with every component on every server / client, even though most clients here are thin, that run in a browser of choice, using Java as a client is really the most logical thing.
Every component is compatible with each other, the communications between components are all built in exactly the same manner, be it a server-server or server-full client.
The important thing is that moving from Windows to GNU/Linux is easier, because the look and feel stays almost the same.
The one real problem for me is actually some driver for certain types of devices, like zebra thermal printers and such, but that's not a problem with Java itself, that was a problem with moving the clients from Windows to GNU/Linux (haven't figured this out yet, so one of the computers in stores is still Windows, because the configuration and font setup software supplied with the Zebra printers is for Windows.)
I can accept the hate, that the Java solution may not be wonderful or uber-cool or whatever the current feelings are about what people hate today, but the point is that it's working. If I couldn't get it to work, I would have had no choice but to go with something else, but that would require extra work, to get it all communicating with the server sides, that are Java based.
The speed of this application totally depends on the data model, database work, algorithms and communications, but the Java GUIs themselves are not presenting any major problems. If I want to, I can even style the main frame of the window with anything, any kind of graphic that doesn't look like a normal window, this works with JNI, but I don't really need that in this project.
I have used this in a browser as an applet and I have used this to communicate over the Internet, not just within the stores themselves, which is an interesting feature.
So can somebody tell me what they think I should be on a look out for here? Is Java going to blow the fuses or are the tables going to catch on fire?
The way it WILL be done (and is likely done already) is by Americans going to pawn shops and leaving their stuff there likely for 1/3 to 1/2 of the value, and eventually this stuff will be bought up by the Chinese and others, who have money but don't have the goods. It's not glamorous, but it will be the biggest repossession of all times and it won't involve any aircraft carriers at all (as if USA will have money to keep those running, they may be repossessed just as well.)
people who run the debt for consumption and can't produce to pay it back, end up with a repo man taking their shit back. That's what all those new pawn shops are going to do - buy back American stuff and sell it to Chinese. Finally those containers won't be going back to China empty.
As the news of pre-crime detection projects are coming out, the other news about US government operations came out, showing just how good US government is at technology and this is a proof that nothing will go wrong with the pre-crime stuff, especially nothing will go wrong with it, if it's connected to some automatic killer drones, to kill you, before you commit a crime
A computer virus has infected the cockpits of Americaâ(TM)s Predator and Reaper drones, logging pilotsâ(TM) every keystroke as they remotely fly missions over Afghanistan and other warzones.
The virus, first detected nearly two weeks ago by the militaryâ(TM)s Host-Based Security System, has not prevented pilots at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada from flying their missions overseas. Nor have there been any confirmed incidents of classified information being lost or sent to an outside source. But the virus has resisted multiple efforts to remove it from Creechâ(TM)s computers, network security specialists say. And the infection underscores the ongoing security risks in what has become the U.S. militaryâ(TM)s most important weapons system.
âoeWe keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,â says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. âoeWe think itâ(TM)s benign. But we just donâ(TM)t know.â.........
There has always been the right and power to kill people in a war zone who stand against the United States of America
- so kill your own non-combatants, just blatantly declare that they are 'terrorists' or 'terrorist-sympathizers'?
Do you realize that with this pre-crime thing you can be found to be a terrorist before you even do anything? Before you even become one (if you ever were going to), they could claim that you WERE GOING TO.
So with that in mind, are you still certain that you want to give this power to the government - to declare that you are a POTENTIAL terrorist with some 'probability' of that coming true, and so then, aren't you also a legitimate target then? What separates you from somebody who was NOT proven to be a TERRORIST that was killed, and somebody who was PROVEN to be a PROBABLE terrorist based on some government agency 'predicting' it?
The fact that Congress AND the White House FAILED to uphold the rights of people and the Constitution is NOT an invitation to cheer for them, it's an invitation to STOP THEM and to KICK THEM OUT OF POWER.
So there, I am a potential target now, right? Because I said that US government is THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION ITSELF.
US GOVERNMENT IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
Government Of United States of America is a bunch of TERRORISTS.
They fucked you over, they screwed the Constitution so the screwed the People. They are KILLING the people by throwing away the LAW that is supposed to be ABOVE them - the Constitution.
The Supreme Court of USA is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION because they are NOT STRIKING THIS SHIT DOWN!
The Patriot Act and the Wars Act, all this is a TERRORIST PLOT by the TERRORIST GOVERNMENT and TERRORIST COURT SYSTEM.
Is that why his worst stock pick since 1993 made only 300% and his best stocks are up 1000% and 2000%?
Ron Paul invests against USA Fed, but Ron Paulâ(TM)s policies are AGAINST HIS OWN INVESTMENT.
In over 10 years that Ron Paul owns these stocks they are ALL UP:
GG up 1000% ABX up 300% NEM up 300% AEM up 700% AU up 300% IAG up 1000% MVG up over 1000% PAAS up 1000% SLW up over 2000%
Which other candidate can boast the same economic foresight? Wouldnâ(TM)t you want one that CAN?
even international politics
- aha, is that why he is against US participating in all these so called 'free trade agreements', is against UN participation, because it goes against sovereignty of USA and he wants to stop all of the foreign aid that goes to the Middle East based on the fact that (USA is broke) but that USA gives 9 times as much aid to the enemies of Israel as it gives to Israel? Is that why he was against going into the Iraq war? (Well, he is against going into any undeclared and thus unconstitutional war for that matter), but is that why he was specifically talking about going to Pakistan to catch Bin Laden with a small number of people 8 years ago instead of wasting time everywhere else? Why he is against helping Pakistan with bombs and bribes? Is that why he is against he drug war, asserting that this war is detrimental to US/Mexico relations because it undermines Mexican ability to control the cartels among other things? Is that why he is for peaceful trade rather than for eternal war? Yeah, he knows nothing.
Thus I have just proven another AC to be wrong on his assertions. What an accomplishment.
Secondly: the wealth of new ideas that Jobs has generated are more than just the iPhones and iPads and iPods, all that.
He also produced the first computer animated movies, like Toy Story. He basically ensured that Pixar lives.
While you may be in a camp of hating Apple products, you cannot deny, that otherproductshave borrowedextensively from Apple hardware and softwaresolutions, as so many current gadgets look like they might have been created by Apple, and it's not a coincidence. So yes, by saying what you are saying, you are proving to be an idiot, which was my point.
Of-course I was not talking about that kind of idiot, I was more talking about this kind of idiot, but you are almost out there with them.
POTUS now has the de-facto power to KILL anybody (a US citizen or not), kill the US citizens out in the open without any due process. This is the end of all that USA used to stand for.
It's just the end. It's done.
If you don't vote for Ron Paul this time, if you don't even go out of your way to register republicans (however disgusted you may feel, but realize who is in power now), because the primary voting only is allowed to registered party members and if you don't vote for Ron Paul just based on this alone, then you absolutely deserve what is coming, and what is coming is going to be beyond anything anybody has ever seen before, because no nazis, no commies have EVER had capabilities that could match what US government has today. It's unprecedented.
What would that be? I do give quotes from wikipedia of-course, especially when it concerns historic and scientific facts. Those can also be influenced somewhat, but not nearly as much as an abstract political concept. History - that's the stuff that happened. You can interpret it, but actual facts, they are there.
You wouldn't know the difference, that's because you are neutron of some sort, they don't know any better.
Of-course Ron Paul predicting the economic collapse, that's just batshit crazy.
The guy who has made from 300% to 2000% in his personal investments based on his understanding of economics, yeah that's freaking crazy, totally insane, he belongs in the nut house. Why, all other politicians are so economy savvy, they all made 10 times as much in that time period, from 93 to 2011.
Of-course all those other politicians made their money not by investing based on their consistent understanding of the economic principles, but by taking bribes from every corporate donor out there, but I agree. That IS crazy. He could have made 100 times as much money if he just sold out.
and obviously you NEVER forget about me. So while I only remember when I see you trolling about me in threads where I leave a comment, I only remember as a response to that.
I am not sure about my paranoia, but I am quite certain about your obsession.
- how can I explain to you that in fact productivity of a worker depends squarely on the amount of available capital?
You see, when you own a stick, you can dig a hole with it, it will be a slow process. Once you have some more capital, you can have a shovel. That's progress. You'll dig much better and faster now.
Of-course once you have enough capital to get yourself an excavator, then your productivity will go through the roof. You see, productivity is not a function of the speed with which you move your hands around, it's a function of the capital that is available to you.
This is true with sticks, shovels and excavators, this is also true with all other types of technology, from microscopes, to computers to cars, to phones, to secretaries, everything.
Given this, I propose to you to rethink that statement. Productivity of a Chinese worker is way up, that is true.
Productivity of an American worker or a British or a French or a Greek worker is really really low. That's because the capital that is used privately in China to build factories and tools and supply chains and shipment routes, in the US and European world this capital goes into government bonds and government spending - wars, SS, Medicare, bail outs, stimulus, departments of everything, from CIA to FDA to EPA to FDIC to FEMA to whatever multi-letter department of your liking.
When a chicken processing plant can put out several million packaged chickens (raised from eggs) with only 17 employees in a town of 50k, your argument begins to break down.
- this argument is false, because if all that people wanted were chickens, then we wouldn't even HAVE an economy, because everybody would be busy growing chickens and you wouldn't need to TRADE.
Economy is about production and trade is about comparative advantage. You grow chickens and I build tables, others make fuel, airplanes, etc. We want to exchange because we don't ALL grow chickens (as a vegetarian, I couldn't care less, to me chickens are a wasted effort, but that's beside the point.)
The point is that iPads didn't exist just 4 years ago. Today they do.
iPhones didn't exist 10 years ago, and today they do.
Personal computers didn't exist 40 years ago and today they do.
Airplanes didn't exist 120 years ago and today they do.
The point is that in the past 95% of people's time was occupied growing/hunting food for themselves, and today maybe 5% of population makes ALL of the food, which is good. That's what we want - we want people's time to be freed to pursue other interests, and we want economies of scale that will absolutely free up human time and allow us to have such LOW COSTS for all of those items that are automated based on competition.
What do we get instead? Instead we get government destroying free market capitalism, mis-allocating all of the resources that could be used to create new things and we all want new things. We don't just want chickens.
If most of the people were busy growing and processing chickens, who the hell would be doing all these other things that we want? Why would you want to WASTE such a HUGE economic resource, as human time, human lives on chicken processing, when those people could instead be doing something else?
Of-course this requires FREEDOM first and foremost. Freedom from government telling you that you cannot compete. Freedom from government telling you that you must give up part of your income, that you could reuse as investment, so that the government can grow instead.
It's like this: either you grow your business or government grows. AFAIC I want as little government as possible, and any amount of growth in it is the worst possible thing to happen to our economies and to our freedoms and individual liberties.
As free people we should not want government to control us and everything we do. We should want as little government as possible. We want to create things that we like, and it's not all chickens.
I could argue that Karl Marx is correct "because he has history on his side"
- Karl Marx had NO history on his side. He didn't understand economics and his proposals were not based on history, they were specifically ideology driven. I had to study Marxism at school long time ago as a former USSR student, born there, it's unfortunate for me, what can I say.
Notice how many aristocrats lost their heads in various revolutions of the poor?
- absolutely. All of those people were effective governing force over those, who cut their heads.
This is not in any way, history that proves Marx right.
This is history that proves MY point - that over time government becomes oppressive and it needs to be decapitated. We don't really NEED to KILL people for this today, you know?
We CAN do this the right way, by learning about economics and voting for the best leader who understands that the direction of freedom and individual liberty is the same direction, as the direction of good economics.
Another thing, freedom = wealth is not necessarily true. There is plenty of wealth in non-free societies. Look at China
1. Yes, there is plenty of wealth in some places that are non-free, look at Saudi Arabia. THAT is a good example, but that again, proves my point about corruption of government.
2. No, China is not an example that you can use. China today is economically a much freer nation than USA. To start a business there you have very very little hoops to jump through. Businesses start in days without hurdles. There is real competition and government involvement is almost non-existent (of-course they do unfortunately collect some income taxes, and they are wrong about it), but again, this is MY POINT - they are allowing capitalism and they are thriving and simultaneously USA is destroying capitalism, and it's economy is on its death bed. I just left a comment yesterday about Steve Jobs.
As Jobs died in America and there were protests at the wall at his funeral, jobs died in America and there were protests at the Wall street at that funeral.
I was thinking something in terms of these lines, but couldn't put my finger on it. Probably because there were no buttons left to push.
"doing better and buying locations" is hardly ever possible, since the entire market is anti-competitive
- it's not the market itself that is anticompetitive. Look at all the competition that appears immediately in all the electronic gadgets market. It's the government that destroys the competition in the market, from education, to health care to energy, to insurance, to finance, to manufacturing, to utilities, to telecommunications, to agriculture and food. The government systematically destroys all competition and promotes oligopolies and monopolies.
Combined with the fact that POTUS now has the de-facto power to KILL anybody (never mind if they are a US citizen or not), but also US citizens out in the open without any due process, any Constitutional rights (and I am not talking about entitlements - rights, as in what right a person has with respect to the government system), this is the end of all that USA used to stand for.
It's just the end. It's done.
If you don't vote for Ron Paul this time, if you don't even go out of your way to register republicans (however disgusted you may feel, but realize who is in power now), because the primary voting only is allowed to registered party members and if you don't vote for Ron Paul just based on this alone, then you absolutely deserve what is coming, and what is coming is going to be beyond anything anybody has ever seen before, because no nazis, no commies have EVER had capabilities that could match what US government has today. It's unprecedented.
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Well, a huge part of the data model and object model is pretty much the same across multiple applications here, so it's easy to reuse the beans that way, and the communications between server/server and server/full client are then very simply serialized objects, which are java objects. So that works smoothly when all parts are using the same object model and serialization functions, which is what you get with Java. So I haven't looked at say serializing/deserializing Java object model in python. It probably can be done, I haven't looked at it, and if the business requires something like that I may as well have to at some point, I just don't see the reasons right now, when the app is working and only features are added.
Yes, I have looked at it as well, but as I said, the client is normally running as a stand alone, there is no real good reason to have a browser window around the application window, so it's not really the main point. The main point is portability and complete compatibility between all solutions, binary compatibility as well as source compatibility.
Between various server side systems here, plenty of source code ends up being reused. From beans to helper classes, to entire packages. It's like one huge application that spans central office, stores, suppliers, manufacturers and even clients, so there is no reason to not reuse multiple pieces of it all over the place. Write once, hopefully reuse as much as possible.
How is all that drinking working out for you?
But I said specifically that I have a set of components, applications that are all written in Java, so why would reusing JVM with a different language be so great? It means having to learn all of the pitfalls of another language, and I code in Java since 97, among other things.
What is the advantage? There HAS to be an advantage to move code form one language to another, especially given that I have most of the main functionality done, and now it's just adding features and fixing whatever bugs that are found. What is the advantage of taking on another rewrite like that in a different language?
I am just counting the applications here, trying to remember all of them I created for the project in 2 years. FFS, FFL, Titan, Deimos, Mimas, IO Server, Phobos and Phobos Client, and a few small things besides those big ones. 7 of them are server side, 2 of them provide thin client and 1 is a full client that can be used as a stand alone or an applet (but it's used in production as a stand alone).
What would be the incentive to rewrite any of this in a new language, given that these are not toys, but are created for business?
Well, in my case this particular client application is normally installed as full desktop app, running it an applet is possible and I sometimes do it, but that's not the main selling feature. In reality there is no reason to run this application in a browser. In a store there are normally 2 computers for administrators - one is on the Internet and internal network, and the other is on the internal network only. Both computers have the client installed and one of them has the server installed, both clients connect to that server.
The client app can control the store over the Internet without a browser as well. One issue that I found is that I have to replace the default open sdk that comes with Ubuntu for Sun implementation of the JVM. Also out of 15 computers installed, 3 are sometimes misbehaving in a strange way, the JVM gets killed with a weird problem like this. Yes, not everything is 100% smooth, but having this on 3 computers out of 15 (which really need to be replaced), is telling me that something is more likely to be wrong with the entire setup rather than the language or the JVM.
I have a set of systems I am building that are used by a store chain. It's my line of products, one of the components is a store management system that is used in the stores. Every piece is server/client, but in this component the client is a Java swing application that also can be used as an applet (that's the good part about Java, with minimum work you can have it working as an applet if it works as an application.)
So I know that most people on /. are derisive about such solutions, but I am moving the stores from Window platform to GNU/Linux (Ubuntu actually). Of-course it's possible to build everything in C and C++, etc., but when the entire solution is java with every component on every server / client, even though most clients here are thin, that run in a browser of choice, using Java as a client is really the most logical thing.
Every component is compatible with each other, the communications between components are all built in exactly the same manner, be it a server-server or server-full client.
The important thing is that moving from Windows to GNU/Linux is easier, because the look and feel stays almost the same.
The one real problem for me is actually some driver for certain types of devices, like zebra thermal printers and such, but that's not a problem with Java itself, that was a problem with moving the clients from Windows to GNU/Linux (haven't figured this out yet, so one of the computers in stores is still Windows, because the configuration and font setup software supplied with the Zebra printers is for Windows.)
I can accept the hate, that the Java solution may not be wonderful or uber-cool or whatever the current feelings are about what people hate today, but the point is that it's working. If I couldn't get it to work, I would have had no choice but to go with something else, but that would require extra work, to get it all communicating with the server sides, that are Java based.
The speed of this application totally depends on the data model, database work, algorithms and communications, but the Java GUIs themselves are not presenting any major problems. If I want to, I can even style the main frame of the window with anything, any kind of graphic that doesn't look like a normal window, this works with JNI, but I don't really need that in this project.
I have used this in a browser as an applet and I have used this to communicate over the Internet, not just within the stores themselves, which is an interesting feature.
So can somebody tell me what they think I should be on a look out for here? Is Java going to blow the fuses or are the tables going to catch on fire?
The above comment should be moderated to +100000000000 trillion.
Terrible information coming out on what really happens when the US government wants to kill a person, a US citizen in this case.
You are mistaken. It will not be done that way.
The way it WILL be done (and is likely done already) is by Americans going to pawn shops and leaving their stuff there likely for 1/3 to 1/2 of the value, and eventually this stuff will be bought up by the Chinese and others, who have money but don't have the goods. It's not glamorous, but it will be the biggest repossession of all times and it won't involve any aircraft carriers at all (as if USA will have money to keep those running, they may be repossessed just as well.)
Here is a clue:
people who run the debt for consumption and can't produce to pay it back, end up with a repo man taking their shit back. That's what all those new pawn shops are going to do - buy back American stuff and sell it to Chinese. Finally those containers won't be going back to China empty.
Well, if you don't pay back, eventually the repo man comes.
China is just a metaphor, but 40% of US government spending is borrowed money. NASA is funded with government money, so 40% of its spending in 2011 is funded by those, who borrow it.
Do they get to play with the robot?
So do the half owners of the thing get to play half time with it too?
As the news of pre-crime detection projects are coming out, the other news about US government operations came out, showing just how good US government is at technology and this is a proof that nothing will go wrong with the pre-crime stuff, especially nothing will go wrong with it, if it's connected to some automatic killer drones, to kill you, before you commit a crime
Virus Hits Drone Fleet.
A computer virus has infected the cockpits of Americaâ(TM)s Predator and Reaper drones, logging pilotsâ(TM) every keystroke as they remotely fly missions over Afghanistan and other warzones.
The virus, first detected nearly two weeks ago by the militaryâ(TM)s Host-Based Security System, has not prevented pilots at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada from flying their missions overseas. Nor have there been any confirmed incidents of classified information being lost or sent to an outside source. But the virus has resisted multiple efforts to remove it from Creechâ(TM)s computers, network security specialists say. And the infection underscores the ongoing security risks in what has become the U.S. militaryâ(TM)s most important weapons system.
âoeWe keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,â says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. âoeWe think itâ(TM)s benign. But we just donâ(TM)t know.â. ........
There has always been the right and power to kill people in a war zone who stand against the United States of America
- so kill your own non-combatants, just blatantly declare that they are 'terrorists' or 'terrorist-sympathizers'?
Do you realize that with this pre-crime thing you can be found to be a terrorist before you even do anything? Before you even become one (if you ever were going to), they could claim that you WERE GOING TO.
So with that in mind, are you still certain that you want to give this power to the government - to declare that you are a POTENTIAL terrorist with some 'probability' of that coming true, and so then, aren't you also a legitimate target then? What separates you from somebody who was NOT proven to be a TERRORIST that was killed, and somebody who was PROVEN to be a PROBABLE terrorist based on some government agency 'predicting' it?
USA is full of terrorists and potential terrorists by the way, FBI said so.
The fact that Congress AND the White House FAILED to uphold the rights of people and the Constitution is NOT an invitation to cheer for them, it's an invitation to STOP THEM and to KICK THEM OUT OF POWER.
So there, I am a potential target now, right? Because I said that US government is THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION ITSELF.
US GOVERNMENT IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
Government Of United States of America is a bunch of TERRORISTS.
They fucked you over, they screwed the Constitution so the screwed the People. They are KILLING the people by throwing away the LAW that is supposed to be ABOVE them - the Constitution.
The Supreme Court of USA is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION because they are NOT STRIKING THIS SHIT DOWN!
The Patriot Act and the Wars Act, all this is a TERRORIST PLOT by the TERRORIST GOVERNMENT and TERRORIST COURT SYSTEM.
All branches of US government are now TERRORISTS.
Ron Paul knows very little about real economics
- aha, is that why he predicted the incoming economic collapse and has been talking about the role that Fed is playing in destruction of US economy since 1971?
Is that why his worst stock pick since 1993 made only 300% and his best stocks are up 1000% and 2000%?
Ron Paul invests against USA Fed, but Ron Paulâ(TM)s policies are AGAINST HIS OWN INVESTMENT.
In over 10 years that Ron Paul owns these stocks they are ALL UP:
GG up 1000%
ABX up 300%
NEM up 300%
AEM up 700%
AU up 300%
IAG up 1000%
MVG up over 1000%
PAAS up 1000%
SLW up over 2000%
Which other candidate can boast the same economic foresight? Wouldnâ(TM)t you want one that CAN?
even international politics
- aha, is that why he is against US participating in all these so called 'free trade agreements', is against UN participation, because it goes against sovereignty of USA and he wants to stop all of the foreign aid that goes to the Middle East based on the fact that (USA is broke) but that USA gives 9 times as much aid to the enemies of Israel as it gives to Israel? Is that why he was against going into the Iraq war? (Well, he is against going into any undeclared and thus unconstitutional war for that matter), but is that why he was specifically talking about going to Pakistan to catch Bin Laden with a small number of people 8 years ago instead of wasting time everywhere else? Why he is against helping Pakistan with bombs and bribes? Is that why he is against he drug war, asserting that this war is detrimental to US/Mexico relations because it undermines Mexican ability to control the cartels among other things? Is that why he is for peaceful trade rather than for eternal war? Yeah, he knows nothing.
First: I personally don't own any Apple products, thus your assertion is wrong.
In fact, here is a comment explaining why I HATE these types of phones, and here is a comment describing the phone that I do own. Yes, it's a simple old Nokia 6303c, with buttons, with camera taken out and with all phone unrelated functions turned off.
Thus I have just proven another AC to be wrong on his assertions. What an accomplishment.
Secondly: the wealth of new ideas that Jobs has generated are more than just the iPhones and iPads and iPods, all that.
He also produced the first computer animated movies, like Toy Story. He basically ensured that Pixar lives.
While you may be in a camp of hating Apple products, you cannot deny, that other products have borrowed extensively from Apple hardware and software solutions, as so many current gadgets look like they might have been created by Apple, and it's not a coincidence. So yes, by saying what you are saying, you are proving to be an idiot, which was my point.
Of-course I was not talking about that kind of idiot, I was more talking about this kind of idiot, but you are almost out there with them.
This is not to be taken lightly.
POTUS now has the de-facto power to KILL anybody (a US citizen or not), kill the US citizens out in the open without any due process. This is the end of all that USA used to stand for.
It's just the end. It's done.
If you don't vote for Ron Paul this time, if you don't even go out of your way to register republicans (however disgusted you may feel, but realize who is in power now), because the primary voting only is allowed to registered party members and if you don't vote for Ron Paul just based on this alone, then you absolutely deserve what is coming, and what is coming is going to be beyond anything anybody has ever seen before, because no nazis, no commies have EVER had capabilities that could match what US government has today. It's unprecedented.
No, they would not have been better. I don't believe they would have been better.
However in 2008 there was another candidate. Who was it? aaaah, yes, I remember. A freedom loving, peace-nick, wanted to bring troops home and wanted to end the drug war and wanted to stop money counterfeiting...
Naaah, we can't have that.
What would that be? I do give quotes from wikipedia of-course, especially when it concerns historic and scientific facts. Those can also be influenced somewhat, but not nearly as much as an abstract political concept. History - that's the stuff that happened. You can interpret it, but actual facts, they are there.
You wouldn't know the difference, that's because you are neutron of some sort, they don't know any better.
Yeah, I know. It's archaic to be against the war on Drugs and to want to release all drug related non-violent prisoners. It's totally 19 century.
Of-course Ron Paul predicting the economic collapse, that's just batshit crazy.
The guy who has made from 300% to 2000% in his personal investments based on his understanding of economics, yeah that's freaking crazy, totally insane, he belongs in the nut house. Why, all other politicians are so economy savvy, they all made 10 times as much in that time period, from 93 to 2011.
Of-course all those other politicians made their money not by investing based on their consistent understanding of the economic principles, but by taking bribes from every corporate donor out there, but I agree. That IS crazy. He could have made 100 times as much money if he just sold out.
That lunatic.
No, go ahead.
You see, it's YOU, who remembered first
and obviously you NEVER forget about me. So while I only remember when I see you trolling about me in threads where I leave a comment, I only remember as a response to that.
I am not sure about my paranoia, but I am quite certain about your obsession.
productivity per worker is way up
- how can I explain to you that in fact productivity of a worker depends squarely on the amount of available capital?
You see, when you own a stick, you can dig a hole with it, it will be a slow process. Once you have some more capital, you can have a shovel. That's progress. You'll dig much better and faster now.
Of-course once you have enough capital to get yourself an excavator, then your productivity will go through the roof. You see, productivity is not a function of the speed with which you move your hands around, it's a function of the capital that is available to you.
This is true with sticks, shovels and excavators, this is also true with all other types of technology, from microscopes, to computers to cars, to phones, to secretaries, everything.
Given this, I propose to you to rethink that statement. Productivity of a Chinese worker is way up, that is true.
Productivity of an American worker or a British or a French or a Greek worker is really really low. That's because the capital that is used privately in China to build factories and tools and supply chains and shipment routes, in the US and European world this capital goes into government bonds and government spending - wars, SS, Medicare, bail outs, stimulus, departments of everything, from CIA to FDA to EPA to FDIC to FEMA to whatever multi-letter department of your liking.
When a chicken processing plant can put out several million packaged chickens (raised from eggs) with only 17 employees in a town of 50k, your argument begins to break down.
- this argument is false, because if all that people wanted were chickens, then we wouldn't even HAVE an economy, because everybody would be busy growing chickens and you wouldn't need to TRADE.
Economy is about production and trade is about comparative advantage. You grow chickens and I build tables, others make fuel, airplanes, etc. We want to exchange because we don't ALL grow chickens (as a vegetarian, I couldn't care less, to me chickens are a wasted effort, but that's beside the point.)
The point is that iPads didn't exist just 4 years ago. Today they do.
iPhones didn't exist 10 years ago, and today they do.
Personal computers didn't exist 40 years ago and today they do.
Airplanes didn't exist 120 years ago and today they do.
The point is that in the past 95% of people's time was occupied growing/hunting food for themselves, and today maybe 5% of population makes ALL of the food, which is good. That's what we want - we want people's time to be freed to pursue other interests, and we want economies of scale that will absolutely free up human time and allow us to have such LOW COSTS for all of those items that are automated based on competition.
What do we get instead? Instead we get government destroying free market capitalism, mis-allocating all of the resources that could be used to create new things and we all want new things. We don't just want chickens.
If most of the people were busy growing and processing chickens, who the hell would be doing all these other things that we want? Why would you want to WASTE such a HUGE economic resource, as human time, human lives on chicken processing, when those people could instead be doing something else?
Of-course this requires FREEDOM first and foremost. Freedom from government telling you that you cannot compete. Freedom from government telling you that you must give up part of your income, that you could reuse as investment, so that the government can grow instead.
It's like this: either you grow your business or government grows. AFAIC I want as little government as possible, and any amount of growth in it is the worst possible thing to happen to our economies and to our freedoms and individual liberties.
As free people we should not want government to control us and everything we do. We should want as little government as possible. We want to create things that we like, and it's not all chickens.
Why are you so sure that YOU will get moderated down with your view? Look at my comment, it's 50% troll, 50% offtopic.
OFFTOPIC? TROLL?
Dude, don't worry, /. is on your side. You can kill all the Americans you like, you'll just get a nice loud round of applause.
Oh, BTW, I am an atheist. I also never did any drugs, so unfortunately I wouldn't be putting that in my pipe, so to speak.
But you are wrong of-course, but if your position is really what you just espoused there, I can't even start.
I could argue that Karl Marx is correct "because he has history on his side"
- Karl Marx had NO history on his side. He didn't understand economics and his proposals were not based on history, they were specifically ideology driven. I had to study Marxism at school long time ago as a former USSR student, born there, it's unfortunate for me, what can I say.
Notice how many aristocrats lost their heads in various revolutions of the poor?
- absolutely. All of those people were effective governing force over those, who cut their heads.
This is not in any way, history that proves Marx right.
This is history that proves MY point - that over time government becomes oppressive and it needs to be decapitated. We don't really NEED to KILL people for this today, you know?
We CAN do this the right way, by learning about economics and voting for the best leader who understands that the direction of freedom and individual liberty is the same direction, as the direction of good economics.
Another thing, freedom = wealth is not necessarily true. There is plenty of wealth in non-free societies. Look at China
1. Yes, there is plenty of wealth in some places that are non-free, look at Saudi Arabia. THAT is a good example, but that again, proves my point about corruption of government.
2. No, China is not an example that you can use. China today is economically a much freer nation than USA. To start a business there you have very very little hoops to jump through. Businesses start in days without hurdles. There is real competition and government involvement is almost non-existent (of-course they do unfortunately collect some income taxes, and they are wrong about it), but again, this is MY POINT - they are allowing capitalism and they are thriving and simultaneously USA is destroying capitalism, and it's economy is on its death bed. I just left a comment yesterday about Steve Jobs.
It's not in the best of tastes, but here
As Jobs died in America and there were protests at the wall at his funeral, jobs died in America and there were protests at the Wall street at that funeral.
I was thinking something in terms of these lines, but couldn't put my finger on it. Probably because there were no buttons left to push.
"doing better and buying locations" is hardly ever possible, since the entire market is anti-competitive
- it's not the market itself that is anticompetitive. Look at all the competition that appears immediately in all the electronic gadgets market. It's the government that destroys the competition in the market, from education, to health care to energy, to insurance, to finance, to manufacturing, to utilities, to telecommunications, to agriculture and food. The government systematically destroys all competition and promotes oligopolies and monopolies.
As to rent seeking: here is my comment explaining why any investment that generates income stream can be described that way, but without these investments (like bonds, stocks, land, businesses of any type), there is no way to generate wealth that the society enjoys. The point of over-production and under-consumption is to generate savings that can be used to invest further into income generating activities, all of which can be described as 'rent seeking'. We NEED that for wealth generation, because that's the entire point of having savings and investments in the first place, and without that we are stuck working only for ourselves our entire lives, being subsistence farmers! (and even then, we are on some property, right?) Besides, property taxes are not exactly low today either and t
This is not to be taken lightly.
Combined with the fact that POTUS now has the de-facto power to KILL anybody (never mind if they are a US citizen or not), but also US citizens out in the open without any due process, any Constitutional rights (and I am not talking about entitlements - rights, as in what right a person has with respect to the government system), this is the end of all that USA used to stand for.
It's just the end. It's done.
If you don't vote for Ron Paul this time, if you don't even go out of your way to register republicans (however disgusted you may feel, but realize who is in power now), because the primary voting only is allowed to registered party members and if you don't vote for Ron Paul just based on this alone, then you absolutely deserve what is coming, and what is coming is going to be beyond anything anybody has ever seen before, because no nazis, no commies have EVER had capabilities that could match what US government has today. It's unprecedented.