Perelman receives a call on his 'mobile' phone, answers it and when he is asked in English (he does, speak the language, he taught in the US for a little while) and when asked the question he dictates the answer letter by letter: YOUR disturbing me.....
CBO said that money would be saved if PUBLIC option was implemented.
Good luck with your dill sprinkled crap dish.
Just so that you don't misunderstand, I am not eating from the same pot as you are, I live somewhere where meals are healthy and not filled with crap or hooves.
It is a funny quote in the context of most people from the Americas, understand that in Russia, specifically St Petersburg there are millions of people who eat mushrooms, not the magic kind, the good stuff, eatable. He picks mushrooms in St. Peterburg's parks, they are huge parks, also there are forests right outside the city.
People really eat mushrooms and berries that they pick, it is a tradition and a free source of food. I highly HIGHLY doubt that he does almost anything that changes his perception of reality at all. His perception is very acutely tuned, apparently he has very very strong moral compass, to the point of obsessiveness.
He is not jobless, he tutors students, I am sure he figured out it was going to be enough. He probably knows how much money he needs to live and also he can add.
Do you hate it, when someone sticks out of the crowd not out of a desire to be more 'cool looking' but simply because he does not need the crowd?
Take the money and give it to charity, you self-important Shit
- why don't you go and find him and beat him into submission to your own standards, that will hopefully satisfy your primordial craving to make sure nobody is different and whoever is different they are destroyed, so that the coherency of the group is in balance yet again?
Perelman is an artist. What he did, he did not do for fame or riches.
Understand that he did not publish his proof in a 'scientific' paper, he simply placed it on-line for others to see, like a beautiful photograph or a painting or a piece of music for others to enjoy. He did not do full calculations in it, it was about 60 pages, the full calculations were done separately later by others, it took an additional 280 pages. From this, understand, the man has created art and once he had the actual proof, he needed no calculations to finish all the trivialities.
Math is not about trivialities of computation of the known, it is an art form of deducing, finding new approaches, new patterns of ideas. Ideas are more important than the concrete implementations because implementations take energy away from enjoying the ideas, the old and the new.
Math is free, it is also Free. Millions are not needed to enjoy it. Millions, however, create distractions in various forms. Of-course Perelman could use the money, his life is extremely ascetic, but he could take the money if it did not entail a number of problems with it.
At least one problem cannot be overcome: taking this cash from an institution that is associated with the 'mathematicians', who do not view math as an art form, but as means to make money. This means degradation of the principles, of the reasons to do the real Math Art in the first place. What is the purpose of the Poincare conjecture? Nobody cares. Maybe sometime in the future there will be a use for it, but as it is, for Poincare, for Perelman, for the artists in the field, this is just a beautiful pattern.
The utilitarians among us will look for the uses, the Mathematicians do not care about the uses, they like the form that they have invented, like the string of patterns that it took to make the form, they like the shape, the dynamics, the boundaries, the infinities. These things are pretty in ways that can only be understood when you look at it by yourself and see how it is done and that it could be done this other way or maybe it could not be done in any other possible way and how things combine and disconnect and intersect and loop around.
Perelman is an actual Mathematician Artist, but that is why he does not see himself as a genius, as many call him, because they don't even understand the first thing about what he is looking at, so because it is so complicated and unknown and totally outside of their world and the reasons for it are not clear at all, they think it takes a genius to do this. He thinks it was a neat problem that he found a beautiful pattern to as a solution, he thinks genius is something else completely.
He is being insulted by everybody at this point, I think that's his view.
I do not support this, because it is a pile of excrement. Excrement cannot be made into a nice bowl of soup that is tasty and can be eaten.
This is not superior to what was there before because it is still a pile of crap.
The cooks had all the right ingredients right at their finger tips, but they never even tried. They just crapped into the pot but sprinkled a little fresh dill on top of that dish and said: there, it's nice and healthy because there is nice green dill on top of the smelly, vomit inducing pile of crap on the dish. They said they could not prepare the dish correctly this time because it would not be possible, there are no ingredients and those that they have cannot be cooked by themselves. The stove is cold right now they said, it takes time to heat it up. Our tools are not ready, the knives are blunt.
Over time, they said, we'll be replacing a spoon of crap with very well cooked vegetables. We will replace the dish of crap with a nice vegetable dish over time by taking a spoon of crap and putting a spoon of vegetables where the spoon of crap was. We'll do this enough times, they said, your dish will taste so much better. It's just right now, when you are hungry, you have to start with little spoons of shit sprinkled with nice green pieces of dill.
So eat shit for now, thank us that it will fill up your empty stomach, hope that you don't die from it before we replace some of the shit with the vegetables.
Only you know what, they, themselves are eating the vegetables. They can cook the vegetables when it concerns themselves. They have enough tools and the fire is lit on the stove.
Why are they really doing this?
Because you still have to pay for the bowl of this dill sprinkled crap. Normally you ate uncooked raw cow tails, hooves and horns and some old corncobs. You pay for this 'extravagant' dish privately. You know that in other places people actually get normal food, cooked well and much much cheaper than what you pay, but that's your system, what can you do?
Well, you did something. You fired the old kitchen Sheff and put in a new one. He promised change, he promised to make sure that the cooks prepare good food and to make sure they do not overcharge he even promised to get the Sheff from the old charity kitchen, who always cooked well, but it was only food for people over 65, and this guy would also then cook for more of those who needed or he would train a new cook and they would do it together. But the old cooks got angry, they would be losing business and they would have to improve their pig tail dishes it seems. So they made sure, that the new Sheff and his stuff never did anything that lead to such a terrible situation. They did this with money, with promises, with lying, with blackmail and many other magic tricks, everything in their disposal.
So excuse me, if I was not satisfied with the new dish and a huge promise of the tasty vegetables that I know will never come true. But it seems like you are quite enjoying it.
how do you get to sleep at night, knowing the bright frightening sun will visit you in a few hours? pfffft
- I am not sleeping right now, and it's 3AM.
i'll tell you what: i'll take the word of the congressional budget office, trusted by right and left, rather than fox news hysteria, that the new plan will save money
- irrelevant point. Why does this have to be budget neutral? Nothing else in US does, not when it comes to bailing out banks, not when it comes to nuclear weapons that don't help anyone, not when it comes to war. Why now? However, if you had public option or medicare buy in, you would have actually had cost cutting over time. They way it is going to happen now, are you serious? Costs will go up. Look at the drug patent issue, patents extended by 7 years. 12 years before generics can be sold instead of 5, do you believe that the prices will drop? Do you need a bridge I have for sale right here?
is it perfect? hell no. there are already obvious improvements discussed, and they WILL be implemented. its a living system, constantly adjusting
- not a chance. Not a single chance. Check mark, job done. If they wanted to, they could have had the medicare buy in right now, public option was a vote away. Obama is sold and bought. Everybody in your government is sold and bought, probably safe for a handful of people, like Ron Paul and Alan Grayson. Not a chance. You have not put a foundation in, you have a cancer - your politicians + the insurance corps. Not a single chance.
this legislation is simple recognition that the current us healthcare system SUCKS SHIT and needs to be comprehensively reformed.
- your system does suck, it needs reform. This was not it, it was a check mark. Now I expect the same checkmark for the financial 'reform'.
let's put it this way: do you defend the status quo before sunday? do you think it was acceptable? did things need to CHANGE out of simple fiscal responsible?
- let's put it this way: 1. you need change. 2. what you got is nothing that does that. There are very few things that are coming out of this that is good, end of rescission and end of denying of coverage.
That is all you are going to get, you will get nothing else. But you also will get with this rising costs, because insurance companies won, no surprise their stocks are all up. They know they won. You lost, you stood no chance. Take what you were given and say 'thank you' and be happy they didn't just shoot you in the head.
You bought their lies that something is going to be done to help you. What you got is more privatized insurance, only now it will be mandated that you have to buy it. You got more expensive drugs and 7 years of more patents on them. You got screwed and you got blinded and sidetracked.
i agree with your criticisms 100%. and yet it is still WAY fucking better than healthcare corporations taking care of stockholders rather than you, and all the waste in THAT system
- then you missed my point entirely.
What you got now is a promise of something, don't expect it to do what was promised. Excuses, excuses. Obama did not give you change, he gave you an illusion to make you go away about this particular issue. Check mark, job done.
Except you will still have at least 15 million uninsured. Except that with insurance companies raising costs between now and 4 years from now, when the subsidies are supposed to kick in, people will not be able to afford their insurance still, just like they could not afford it before, only now it will be worse. The insurance companies just got a 'go ahead, hike up the prices now' sign for 2 reasons: 1. political (to make sure no reform is ever done again) and 2. to cover any additional costs that will actually be incurred and obviously to keep increasing the bottom line.
You did not get rid of the problem, of the cancer, you will not get rid of the cancer. Private insurance companies with no public option are the cancer, eventually death will occur.
There will be no incremental improvement of this, now this is guaranteed, the Obama check mark was put in place for health care, it's done, no more changes.
And yet, how simple it would have been just to allow anyone who ever wanted to buy into Medicare at any age at cost? Easy. The infrastructure is in place now. The original setup costs are covered long time ago by Medicare. No no no, you will not get actual change to something that is anywhere near what other countries have until you completely replace the people who are running you. I am not talking about changing Ds to Rs or just shuffling the people around inside those 2. I am talking about getting rid of all of them and starting with people who have not sold out to the corporations yet.
To do that, you have to have a meaningful reform in financing the elections, that is not going to happen. Corporations are running US, you know what political system that entails, don't you?
So no, I disagree on both, policy and politics of what you have just been sold. It is not a step forward at all, it is an illusion.
would not it make more sense to start explaining mathematics not from numbers but from ideas themselves and start with this idea:
a closed, self consistent set of rules can be used to create an imaginary world.
Then explain what we mean by closed, by set by self consistent and by rules.
Then start with very very small examples.
Imagine a world in a glass bubble, populated only by a preset number mosquitoes and the number does not change. Imagine a glass bubble filled with mosquitoes. They fly around randomly. That is the closed set of items. Imagine that in this world there is only one rule: no more than one mosquito can occupy the same space at the same time. Imagine that there are 2 things you can do in this bubble: divide the bubble into 2 or more smaller sub-bubbles and you can add mosquitoes.
Ok, so question: does the number of mosquitoes in the bubble change when they move around? If you divide the bubble into 2 equal sub-bubbles, the total number of mosquitoes is the number in sub-bubble A added to the total number of mosquitoes in the sub-bubble B and it is equal to the number of mosquitoes in sub-bubble B added to the number of them in sub-bubble A.
One can come up with an abstract language, similar in constructs to our Math, that is simpler than Math. I am not a mathematician, but I think explaining mathematics should include the explanation of the notion that mathematics is a language that is created as an idea, it does not necessarily correspond to any reality that we observe, it can exist only as an idea as long as a few principles apply (closed set, self consistent, minimum number of predefined operations) and that manipulating this information according to the predefined rules is what we understand as mathematics.
Prove that if the bubble is divided into 2 sub-bubbles, the total number of mosquitoes in both sub-bubbles is the same as the total number of mosquitoes in the original undivided bubble.
Prove that the shortest distance between 2 mosquitoes is a straight line.
Prove that a it only takes 3 mosquitoes to define a plane.
Prove that 0=0, 1=1, 0+1=1+0, 1+1=1+1=2.
Given a fixed number of mosquitoes in the bubble and after arbitrarily dividing the bubble into 2 sub-bubbles, find how many mosquitoes are in sub-bubble A, if there are a given number of mosquitoes in sub-bubble B.
Given a fixed number (1, 2, 3 for example) of sub-bubbles that are a 2-dimensional slice of the bubble and a fixed number of sub-bubbles that have 3 dimensions and a sub-bubble that has some specified number of mosquitoes (a constant) and knowing that the number of mosquitoes in all of the 2-dimensional sub-bubbles added with the number of mosquitoes in all of the 3-dimensional sub-bubbles is equal to the number of mosquitoes in the sub-bubble with the constant number of them , figure out how many mosquitoes are in one of the 2 dimensional sub-bubble, if you cannot, don't provide the exact number, provide a range.
Bullshit, this is the same stuff, not apples and oranges. Catch 22, you cannot know who is in Gitmo, you cannot know why they are there, they cannot know why they are there, they cannot get questions answered, they cannot be freed. Well some were freed 7 years after detainment because finally it was deemed they were not actually terrorists. Ignore it, those who forget history, well, you'll find out.
because he represents badly needed progress for my country
- I will ask you then, do you honestly believe that? He is not giving you 'change you can believe in'. This is not it. This is not a health care reform, this is not health insurance reform. This is some new regulations, that's it.
You will have these benefits, I give you that: no rescission, no ability for an insurance company to deny a claim or to deny coverage based on previous conditions. Those are your main benefits.
Here are the problems:
1. This is not 'the change we can believe in', this is not changing the establishment and this is not 'not playing the same old games'. This is playing same old games, this is a little bit of pocket change. Backroom deals, killing the actual reform - no public option.
2. Drug manufacturers are getting their monopoly extended from 5 to 12 years. No generics for 7 years more per drug. Prices will go higher and not lower.
3. No public negotiations with hospitals.
4. No public negotiations with drug manufacturers.
5. No import of cheaper drugs from abroad (Obama, you love so much, has personally killed this, he was very very tough on the people who supported this bill last fall).
6. Obama promised you the real change - public option, this was a lie. He lies to you, why do you love him? You are not going to get the public option. You are not even going to get a vote on it. A bill was introduced just now, to move forward with the public option. I guarantee you, they won't have a vote, they will not vote on it. Neither of the parties wants you to have this because they both are on the side of the drug manufacturers, insurance companies, hospitals etc., but they are not on your side. Why do you love them when they treat you like dirt, is it the Stockholm syndrome?
7. There was not even an attempt at the single payer. It was dismissed by Obama immediately, he said 'while it works for other countries, it is not going to work in the US'. It's not, because he does not want it, nobody in power wants it. I am not even saying it's that great, I am for a dual system, private + public, where choices are provided.
8. From politics point of view this is bad. Republicans and 'conservative democrats', all the 'blue dogs', all the corporate whores I mean are working with the corporations right now. They are working with the insurances right now. The insurance premiums will be rising, they are going to raise the premiums and they will blame the 'reform' for it. Politically this was bad, public option would have actually lowered prices in private insurances an would have saved money. This is not going to.
9. Alan Grayson proposed a 4 page bill to sell Medicare to anyone who wants it at cost. You think that will get even looked at? It will be ignored completely.
10. Do not compare this garbage with what the rest of the civilized world has. The rest of the civilized world has either public or private insurance systems and very much public health care system with a private health care system option. What you got in the USA is a lie. Another lie and once the insurance companies + Republicans are done with this, you will have less than what you have started with.
11. Should I mention the mandate? Oh yeah, the mandate that you will have now, you will have to buy an insurance package and your only choice of providers? The same guys as a week ago, nothing has changed for the better there.
Nothing has changed for the better except a few regulations that really are questionable. Corporations will find a way around these regulations, simplest of the ways is to raise premiums for everyone across the board starting immediately and then to blame this 'reform', which was not anything like a reform, and make sure that you can never fix anything for real.
You love Obama? When he is done with your reforms, a few years from then you'll look back and wonder: what the fuck, what kind of a train has just run over this place?
I don't know what to say, how even to try to be moderately informative, insightful or even funny, I have no idea. I am just thinking this: would I really want a monkey to service me? Wasn't there a movie about it on the interwebs?
oh, I am not really a troll, I am just a terrible monster in the eyes of humans that is, my thought process is abnormal for someone who is supposed to fit into human society. I have no qualms about things you consider terrible. But I am not much worse than your average Wall street money manager/trader/CEO or a politician. They are also true monsters.
The government is as oppressive as ever, it is more efficient at it, it is more knowledgeable, it has more fire power than ever. Don't tell me they are acting in our good, they are acting with only one goal: staying in power.
That is a concentration camp for people, who some think are dangerous, but no proof of danger is presented, no reasons for detention are presented.
They have learned over the 70 years alright, they have learned how to make the public apathetic to any of the important stuff, like the corruption, theft of money, theft of value of money, theft of freedoms etc. TV, papers, magazines they use TV, papers and magazines and are trying to do this with the Internet too.
No, the time passes and what happens is that the tools of oppression are getting significantly better, more scientific and more efficient.
- ridiculous is that you got modded up like that for this drivel.
It is in your own best interest to let the local and national govt. know as much about the people they represent as possible.
- that's the worst reasoning ever. The local and the national governments don't need to know about you, they don't care, they do not care, there is no care in them for you. They take the money from the corporate interests, from their friends and they do what they wish and that's it.
If they don't know facts about, say, the social and financial background of their constituents, how can they govern effectively?
- "effectively govern", is that like "military intelligence"? They effectively govern the money of corporations into their bank accounts, everything else is effectively secondary and not important, because see my point #1: they don't care about you and your problems. They care about their own problems and making money for themselves.
The reason for them to collect this information so that you continue learning the same thing, the same behavior, you continue propagating the same behavior from generation to generation: you are under their control and you better be in line. If you get out of line, well. There is always a Simpsons or Springer or Oprah or some form of Idol rerun for that.
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Oh, wow, what a comeback. Ladies and gentlemen, he got me!
Yes, exactly, that is exactly how it happened.
Perelman receives a call on his 'mobile' phone, answers it and when he is asked in English (he does, speak the language, he taught in the US for a little while) and when asked the question he dictates the answer letter by letter: YOUR disturbing me.....
CBO said that money would be saved if PUBLIC option was implemented.
Good luck with your dill sprinkled crap dish.
Just so that you don't misunderstand, I am not eating from the same pot as you are, I live somewhere where meals are healthy and not filled with crap or hooves.
Cheers.
It is a funny quote in the context of most people from the Americas, understand that in Russia, specifically St Petersburg there are millions of people who eat mushrooms, not the magic kind, the good stuff, eatable. He picks mushrooms in St. Peterburg's parks, they are huge parks, also there are forests right outside the city.
People really eat mushrooms and berries that they pick, it is a tradition and a free source of food. I highly HIGHLY doubt that he does almost anything that changes his perception of reality at all. His perception is very acutely tuned, apparently he has very very strong moral compass, to the point of obsessiveness.
He is not jobless, he tutors students, I am sure he figured out it was going to be enough. He probably knows how much money he needs to live and also he can add.
I am sure that's your wet dream, and as per usual, you are projecting your own desires onto others.
Does Perelman not taking the money scare you?
Does he offend you?
Does he entice a violent reaction in you?
Do you hate it, when someone sticks out of the crowd not out of a desire to be more 'cool looking' but simply because he does not need the crowd?
Take the money and give it to charity, you self-important Shit
- why don't you go and find him and beat him into submission to your own standards, that will hopefully satisfy your primordial craving to make sure nobody is different and whoever is different they are destroyed, so that the coherency of the group is in balance yet again?
Perelman is an artist. What he did, he did not do for fame or riches.
Understand that he did not publish his proof in a 'scientific' paper, he simply placed it on-line for others to see, like a beautiful photograph or a painting or a piece of music for others to enjoy. He did not do full calculations in it, it was about 60 pages, the full calculations were done separately later by others, it took an additional 280 pages. From this, understand, the man has created art and once he had the actual proof, he needed no calculations to finish all the trivialities.
Math is not about trivialities of computation of the known, it is an art form of deducing, finding new approaches, new patterns of ideas. Ideas are more important than the concrete implementations because implementations take energy away from enjoying the ideas, the old and the new.
Math is free, it is also Free. Millions are not needed to enjoy it. Millions, however, create distractions in various forms. Of-course Perelman could use the money, his life is extremely ascetic, but he could take the money if it did not entail a number of problems with it.
At least one problem cannot be overcome: taking this cash from an institution that is associated with the 'mathematicians', who do not view math as an art form, but as means to make money. This means degradation of the principles, of the reasons to do the real Math Art in the first place. What is the purpose of the Poincare conjecture? Nobody cares. Maybe sometime in the future there will be a use for it, but as it is, for Poincare, for Perelman, for the artists in the field, this is just a beautiful pattern.
The utilitarians among us will look for the uses, the Mathematicians do not care about the uses, they like the form that they have invented, like the string of patterns that it took to make the form, they like the shape, the dynamics, the boundaries, the infinities. These things are pretty in ways that can only be understood when you look at it by yourself and see how it is done and that it could be done this other way or maybe it could not be done in any other possible way and how things combine and disconnect and intersect and loop around.
Perelman is an actual Mathematician Artist, but that is why he does not see himself as a genius, as many call him, because they don't even understand the first thing about what he is looking at, so because it is so complicated and unknown and totally outside of their world and the reasons for it are not clear at all, they think it takes a genius to do this. He thinks it was a neat problem that he found a beautiful pattern to as a solution, he thinks genius is something else completely.
He is being insulted by everybody at this point, I think that's his view.
I do not support this, because it is a pile of excrement. Excrement cannot be made into a nice bowl of soup that is tasty and can be eaten.
This is not superior to what was there before because it is still a pile of crap.
The cooks had all the right ingredients right at their finger tips, but they never even tried. They just crapped into the pot but sprinkled a little fresh dill on top of that dish and said: there, it's nice and healthy because there is nice green dill on top of the smelly, vomit inducing pile of crap on the dish. They said they could not prepare the dish correctly this time because it would not be possible, there are no ingredients and those that they have cannot be cooked by themselves. The stove is cold right now they said, it takes time to heat it up. Our tools are not ready, the knives are blunt.
Over time, they said, we'll be replacing a spoon of crap with very well cooked vegetables. We will replace the dish of crap with a nice vegetable dish over time by taking a spoon of crap and putting a spoon of vegetables where the spoon of crap was. We'll do this enough times, they said, your dish will taste so much better. It's just right now, when you are hungry, you have to start with little spoons of shit sprinkled with nice green pieces of dill.
So eat shit for now, thank us that it will fill up your empty stomach, hope that you don't die from it before we replace some of the shit with the vegetables.
Only you know what, they, themselves are eating the vegetables. They can cook the vegetables when it concerns themselves. They have enough tools and the fire is lit on the stove.
Why are they really doing this?
Because you still have to pay for the bowl of this dill sprinkled crap. Normally you ate uncooked raw cow tails, hooves and horns and some old corncobs. You pay for this 'extravagant' dish privately. You know that in other places people actually get normal food, cooked well and much much cheaper than what you pay, but that's your system, what can you do?
Well, you did something. You fired the old kitchen Sheff and put in a new one. He promised change, he promised to make sure that the cooks prepare good food and to make sure they do not overcharge he even promised to get the Sheff from the old charity kitchen, who always cooked well, but it was only food for people over 65, and this guy would also then cook for more of those who needed or he would train a new cook and they would do it together. But the old cooks got angry, they would be losing business and they would have to improve their pig tail dishes it seems. So they made sure, that the new Sheff and his stuff never did anything that lead to such a terrible situation. They did this with money, with promises, with lying, with blackmail and many other magic tricks, everything in their disposal.
So excuse me, if I was not satisfied with the new dish and a huge promise of the tasty vegetables that I know will never come true. But it seems like you are quite enjoying it.
Cheers.
how do you get to sleep at night, knowing the bright frightening sun will visit you in a few hours? pfffft
- I am not sleeping right now, and it's 3AM.
i'll tell you what: i'll take the word of the congressional budget office, trusted by right and left, rather than fox news hysteria, that the new plan will save money
- irrelevant point. Why does this have to be budget neutral? Nothing else in US does, not when it comes to bailing out banks, not when it comes to nuclear weapons that don't help anyone, not when it comes to war. Why now? However, if you had public option or medicare buy in, you would have actually had cost cutting over time. They way it is going to happen now, are you serious? Costs will go up. Look at the drug patent issue, patents extended by 7 years. 12 years before generics can be sold instead of 5, do you believe that the prices will drop? Do you need a bridge I have for sale right here?
is it perfect? hell no. there are already obvious improvements discussed, and they WILL be implemented. its a living system, constantly adjusting
- not a chance. Not a single chance. Check mark, job done. If they wanted to, they could have had the medicare buy in right now, public option was a vote away. Obama is sold and bought. Everybody in your government is sold and bought, probably safe for a handful of people, like Ron Paul and Alan Grayson. Not a chance. You have not put a foundation in, you have a cancer - your politicians + the insurance corps. Not a single chance.
this legislation is simple recognition that the current us healthcare system SUCKS SHIT and needs to be comprehensively reformed.
- your system does suck, it needs reform. This was not it, it was a check mark. Now I expect the same checkmark for the financial 'reform'.
let's put it this way: do you defend the status quo before sunday? do you think it was acceptable? did things need to CHANGE out of simple fiscal responsible?
- let's put it this way: 1. you need change. 2. what you got is nothing that does that. There are very few things that are coming out of this that is good, end of rescission and end of denying of coverage.
That is all you are going to get, you will get nothing else. But you also will get with this rising costs, because insurance companies won, no surprise their stocks are all up. They know they won. You lost, you stood no chance. Take what you were given and say 'thank you' and be happy they didn't just shoot you in the head.
You bought their lies that something is going to be done to help you. What you got is more privatized insurance, only now it will be mandated that you have to buy it. You got more expensive drugs and 7 years of more patents on them. You got screwed and you got blinded and sidetracked.
i agree with your criticisms 100%. and yet it is still WAY fucking better than healthcare corporations taking care of stockholders rather than you, and all the waste in THAT system
- then you missed my point entirely.
What you got now is a promise of something, don't expect it to do what was promised. Excuses, excuses. Obama did not give you change, he gave you an illusion to make you go away about this particular issue. Check mark, job done.
Except you will still have at least 15 million uninsured. Except that with insurance companies raising costs between now and 4 years from now, when the subsidies are supposed to kick in, people will not be able to afford their insurance still, just like they could not afford it before, only now it will be worse. The insurance companies just got a 'go ahead, hike up the prices now' sign for 2 reasons: 1. political (to make sure no reform is ever done again) and 2. to cover any additional costs that will actually be incurred and obviously to keep increasing the bottom line.
You did not get rid of the problem, of the cancer, you will not get rid of the cancer. Private insurance companies with no public option are the cancer, eventually death will occur.
There will be no incremental improvement of this, now this is guaranteed, the Obama check mark was put in place for health care, it's done, no more changes.
And yet, how simple it would have been just to allow anyone who ever wanted to buy into Medicare at any age at cost? Easy. The infrastructure is in place now. The original setup costs are covered long time ago by Medicare. No no no, you will not get actual change to something that is anywhere near what other countries have until you completely replace the people who are running you. I am not talking about changing Ds to Rs or just shuffling the people around inside those 2. I am talking about getting rid of all of them and starting with people who have not sold out to the corporations yet.
To do that, you have to have a meaningful reform in financing the elections, that is not going to happen. Corporations are running US, you know what political system that entails, don't you?
So no, I disagree on both, policy and politics of what you have just been sold. It is not a step forward at all, it is an illusion.
would not it make more sense to start explaining mathematics not from numbers but from ideas themselves and start with this idea:
a closed, self consistent set of rules can be used to create an imaginary world.
Then explain what we mean by closed, by set by self consistent and by rules.
Then start with very very small examples.
Imagine a world in a glass bubble, populated only by a preset number mosquitoes and the number does not change.
Imagine a glass bubble filled with mosquitoes. They fly around randomly. That is the closed set of items.
Imagine that in this world there is only one rule: no more than one mosquito can occupy the same space at the same time.
Imagine that there are 2 things you can do in this bubble: divide the bubble into 2 or more smaller sub-bubbles and you can add mosquitoes.
Ok, so question: does the number of mosquitoes in the bubble change when they move around? If you divide the bubble into 2 equal sub-bubbles, the total number of mosquitoes is the number in sub-bubble A added to the total number of mosquitoes in the sub-bubble B and it is equal to the number of mosquitoes in sub-bubble B added to the number of them in sub-bubble A.
One can come up with an abstract language, similar in constructs to our Math, that is simpler than Math. I am not a mathematician, but I think explaining mathematics should include the explanation of the notion that mathematics is a language that is created as an idea, it does not necessarily correspond to any reality that we observe, it can exist only as an idea as long as a few principles apply (closed set, self consistent, minimum number of predefined operations) and that manipulating this information according to the predefined rules is what we understand as mathematics.
Prove that if the bubble is divided into 2 sub-bubbles, the total number of mosquitoes in both sub-bubbles is the same as the total number of mosquitoes in the original undivided bubble.
Prove that the shortest distance between 2 mosquitoes is a straight line.
Prove that a it only takes 3 mosquitoes to define a plane.
Prove that 0=0, 1=1, 0+1=1+0, 1+1=1+1=2.
Given a fixed number of mosquitoes in the bubble and after arbitrarily dividing the bubble into 2 sub-bubbles, find how many mosquitoes are in sub-bubble A, if there are a given number of mosquitoes in sub-bubble B.
Given a fixed number (1, 2, 3 for example) of sub-bubbles that are a 2-dimensional slice of the bubble and a fixed number of sub-bubbles that have 3 dimensions and a sub-bubble that has some specified number of mosquitoes (a constant) and knowing that the number of mosquitoes in all of the 2-dimensional sub-bubbles added with the number of mosquitoes in all of the 3-dimensional sub-bubbles is equal to the number of mosquitoes in the sub-bubble with the constant number of them , figure out how many mosquitoes are in one of the 2 dimensional sub-bubble, if you cannot, don't provide the exact number, provide a range.
Should not math start this way?
Bullshit, this is the same stuff, not apples and oranges. Catch 22, you cannot know who is in Gitmo, you cannot know why they are there, they cannot know why they are there, they cannot get questions answered, they cannot be freed. Well some were freed 7 years after detainment because finally it was deemed they were not actually terrorists. Ignore it, those who forget history, well, you'll find out.
because he represents badly needed progress for my country
- I will ask you then, do you honestly believe that? He is not giving you 'change you can believe in'. This is not it. This is not a health care reform, this is not health insurance reform. This is some new regulations, that's it.
You will have these benefits, I give you that: no rescission, no ability for an insurance company to deny a claim or to deny coverage based on previous conditions. Those are your main benefits.
Here are the problems:
1. This is not 'the change we can believe in', this is not changing the establishment and this is not 'not playing the same old games'. This is playing same old games, this is a little bit of pocket change. Backroom deals, killing the actual reform - no public option.
2. Drug manufacturers are getting their monopoly extended from 5 to 12 years. No generics for 7 years more per drug. Prices will go higher and not lower.
3. No public negotiations with hospitals.
4. No public negotiations with drug manufacturers.
5. No import of cheaper drugs from abroad (Obama, you love so much, has personally killed this, he was very very tough on the people who supported this bill last fall).
6. Obama promised you the real change - public option, this was a lie. He lies to you, why do you love him? You are not going to get the public option. You are not even going to get a vote on it. A bill was introduced just now, to move forward with the public option. I guarantee you, they won't have a vote, they will not vote on it. Neither of the parties wants you to have this because they both are on the side of the drug manufacturers, insurance companies, hospitals etc., but they are not on your side. Why do you love them when they treat you like dirt, is it the Stockholm syndrome?
7. There was not even an attempt at the single payer. It was dismissed by Obama immediately, he said 'while it works for other countries, it is not going to work in the US'. It's not, because he does not want it, nobody in power wants it. I am not even saying it's that great, I am for a dual system, private + public, where choices are provided.
8. From politics point of view this is bad. Republicans and 'conservative democrats', all the 'blue dogs', all the corporate whores I mean are working with the corporations right now. They are working with the insurances right now. The insurance premiums will be rising, they are going to raise the premiums and they will blame the 'reform' for it. Politically this was bad, public option would have actually lowered prices in private insurances an would have saved money. This is not going to.
9. Alan Grayson proposed a 4 page bill to sell Medicare to anyone who wants it at cost. You think that will get even looked at? It will be ignored completely.
10. Do not compare this garbage with what the rest of the civilized world has. The rest of the civilized world has either public or private insurance systems and very much public health care system with a private health care system option. What you got in the USA is a lie. Another lie and once the insurance companies + Republicans are done with this, you will have less than what you have started with.
11. Should I mention the mandate? Oh yeah, the mandate that you will have now, you will have to buy an insurance package and your only choice of providers? The same guys as a week ago, nothing has changed for the better there.
Nothing has changed for the better except a few regulations that really are questionable. Corporations will find a way around these regulations, simplest of the ways is to raise premiums for everyone across the board starting immediately and then to blame this 'reform', which was not anything like a reform, and make sure that you can never fix anything for real.
You love Obama? When he is done with your reforms, a few years from then you'll look back and wonder: what the fuck, what kind of a train has just run over this place?
I don't know what to say, how even to try to be moderately informative, insightful or even funny, I have no idea. I am just thinking this: would I really want a monkey to service me? Wasn't there a movie about it on the interwebs?
i love obama
- why, is he your cousin?
and i'm 100% for common sense healthcare reform
- certainly, but do you think what was passed is actually a healthcare or a reform or it that common sense was applied?
oh, I am not really a troll, I am just a terrible monster in the eyes of humans that is, my thought process is abnormal for someone who is supposed to fit into human society. I have no qualms about things you consider terrible. But I am not much worse than your average Wall street money manager/trader/CEO or a politician. They are also true monsters.
I feel kind of bad for Miguel, he sounds like a kid, who just realized that there is no Santa Claus. It's sad.
Ha, everything I wrote is the truth.
What is this s...se.... sekes? What is this sekes you are talking about? What is that?
I know, I know, all the sisters, the brothers, the mother, the father, the dog...
Who needs strangers?!
70 years ago was the last time?
Present: Guantanamo Bay.
The government is as oppressive as ever, it is more efficient at it, it is more knowledgeable, it has more fire power than ever. Don't tell me they are acting in our good, they are acting with only one goal: staying in power.
One word: GITMO.
That is a concentration camp for people, who some think are dangerous, but no proof of danger is presented, no reasons for detention are presented.
They have learned over the 70 years alright, they have learned how to make the public apathetic to any of the important stuff, like the corruption, theft of money, theft of value of money, theft of freedoms etc. TV, papers, magazines they use TV, papers and magazines and are trying to do this with the Internet too.
No, the time passes and what happens is that the tools of oppression are getting significantly better, more scientific and more efficient.
Refusing to fill out the Census is ridiculous.
- ridiculous is that you got modded up like that for this drivel.
It is in your own best interest to let the local and national govt. know as much about the people they represent as possible.
- that's the worst reasoning ever. The local and the national governments don't need to know about you, they don't care, they do not care, there is no care in them for you. They take the money from the corporate interests, from their friends and they do what they wish and that's it.
If they don't know facts about, say, the social and financial background of their constituents, how can they govern effectively?
- "effectively govern", is that like "military intelligence"? They effectively govern the money of corporations into their bank accounts, everything else is effectively secondary and not important, because see my point #1: they don't care about you and your problems. They care about their own problems and making money for themselves.
The reason for them to collect this information so that you continue learning the same thing, the same behavior, you continue propagating the same behavior from generation to generation: you are under their control and you better be in line. If you get out of line, well. There is always a Simpsons or Springer or Oprah or some form of Idol rerun for that.
ok, so. Not a homo, but erectus about 10% of the time. Sapiens? I don't think.