the only thing I can see interesting on bing is the hover box which previews stuff on a page. other that, I don't notice anything unique except the brand. And the hover box info on the real search I did (rather than the test ones) didn't give me useful information. I can see it being useful with pictures. However, I'm sure there is already a google/firefox plugin that does such things better if I really wanted that feature.
I agree with the consensus here, this article is just marketing. (also, I just realised, because I can't spell worth sh*t, so I looked up "concensus", that bing isn't as good a spell check as google)
I wonder if the idea that Ganyemede has a liquid iron core is based on the assumption that only liquid iron cores cause magnetic fields?
I would wager money that this is true. All our systems of logic are based on assumptions. Our assumptions about other planets are based on earth (because we know it more).
The examples of these moons certainly is insightful to compare with this radical theory of ocean magnetism. However, it is hardly debunked... proof isn't anecdote. Our theories of the moons of Jupiter will change if our theory of the earth changes. Something like this would be a good excuse for NASA to fire off another probe at these moons - this time with extra magnetism, iron core and water measuring sensors.
In my experience, the only way to truly help someone is to get to know them better, without any sense of agenda.
Wow, thanks for that. I'm actually reading this article in hope of gleaning some unexpected insight and you're the only sensible new voice I'm hearing.
I think you're approach is right. Otherwise it becomes a contest of wills helper vs. addict. But, being manipulative is hard to avoid (in subtle ways) when you really want someone's behaviour to change.
Personally, I'm addicted to the computer (not games really) and i also know lots of people with big problems who I wish I could help but don't know how to.
Why should someone hide what they are not ashamed of? You are confusing the issues of security and privacy. The privacy to hide what you do online is an unusual and difficult to acquire privledge since most of us get online via some big corporate entity we only quasi-trust and we want to connect with the wider world which isn't in a VPN.
Anyway, filesharing isn't something that should be hidden. As with any civil disobedience it is best done very publically. And hiding doesn't protect you anyway. It's nice that there are networks of the paranoid where you can have some level of anonymity. And we should support these/not take them for granted. But resisting the repressive tide of copyright enclosure and privacy diminishment takes a lot more than hiding in the margins. Hiding in the middle of an open field along with millions of others is Best Practice.
Wow, I always wondered why I couldn't copy large folder trees properly using that OS. I always had assumed it was a permissions/network issues that I couldn't bother to investigate. I always end up just using ntfsprogs from my Ubuntu partition to do it properly... Or mostly just don't bother using that OS.
There's nothing dishonest about saying that to wiggle mouse continuously for several minutes is ridiculous. How does Damned if you do, damned if you don't apply? The issue is a ridiculous bug workaround, not where it gets documented. Of course people will complain either way. Yes, it is better for them to publish it themselves so people don't have to hunt for it. But even better than that - actually just a basic expectation - would be for them to fix the software in the first place. Then they would not be damned.
Oh that's why these new Camera's these days have this entire partition devoted to the useless Windoze software I'll never use. I was wondering what that was for. In Ubuntu it automounts them both and it's always irritating to have this extra thing which is useless to me.
I had a new AGFA 1212P scanner which could only be operated with the included Scanwise software. Problem was the software crashed when I started using it. I called tech support. They told me to open Wordpad and to always have Wordpad running if I didn't want it to crash. I asked them if they were serious. They were, and it worked.
Eventually I wrote a batch script to automatically start both at once. I believe there was also some kind of regimen about having the power turned on only before or after the boot (can't remember anymore). It did work but it didn't give the air of reliability or professionalism. There was even a patch for the Scanwise program but that didn't solve the Wordpad issue (just made the GUI buttons more simple) so I kept using my batch script to load the scanner software.
No, I'm saying two things. First was a joke, well actually just chiming in on jdoverholt's joke. That was about brains.
The other is that there is no such thing as an original author/artist/creator. That title just confers more ownership over something either:
A because you actually have done the most work - such as writing a book (that is based on stories you remix from those around you) or
B a legal title confering royalty rights which may or may not have anything to do with how much work you put in.
For instance copyright title can be bought and sold.
Or more relevant, we have lots of artists, as in my example of a pop star who provides only the name and maybe a few lame vocal lines (and the real work is the arrangement, music, editing, fixing the popstar's mistakes, writing the song, etc) who may get total copyright legal title for not very much work... in such a case a remix artist (pirate) does a lot of work and might bring out the really unique creative work (like the hooks in a song) combine that with historical songs that the new pop song draws from -- providing a much more artistically valuable product and history lesson in one package all, lots more work than the copyright holder puts in and all for a lot less pay.
It's also a philosophical stance, irrespective of any examples in the modern piracy debate. Do you believe in original authorship? It touches on the idea of free will to some degree.
Personally I like the idea of free will but I think it comes in the creative moments when we take ownership of the ideas we get from others (the copious knowledge around us that we copy) and then, using that ownership as license to create, we add our own little spin or remix that makes something shine that didn't before.
How much programming is original ideas? Most of it is repetition of simple things, gruntwork, fixing errors... not as fun as that rare case when you really get to solve a new type of problem. I do agree that this work should be valued and paid but the bit about owning the idea to keep it from others is very offensive and contrary to human creativity and (I dare say it) thought mechanisms.
Often the artists doing the "pirate" remixes are doing more work, and citing their sources more honestly, than the people they are supposedly copying from. For example Pop music is always derivative and I think we can all agree there is a lot of it that is made via more money and hype than anything else... And that "Original" work is often ghostwritten by underpaid artists... versus hardworking volunteer artists who bring to light the merit of the real hidden creative work for instance sampling some pop star alongside work it is derivative of such that the public can appreciate the art rather than the pop-star who would otherwise get the credit.
The Ocean of ideas that people play with every day. Combining and seperating constantly in a soup. Where does our language come from? You can have a theory or even a religion exclaiming your idea of the origin of ideas - but prosecuting others who have a different notion of history is wrong.
I'm not saying that re-mixing ideas is more creative than creating original works. I'm saying that both are the same act in essence, it's just a question of degree and method and none is better, only in certain circumstances.
Same seven notes and some slag poet's quotes Stick them together with glue You can mix a fine cocktail from memories And pretend what you're drinking is new But there's nothing that's new under heaven (Chorus) There's nothing that hasn't been done Pour me another double cliche You can't write a song that's never been sung Everyone's stealing from someone Burglars get burgled as well There's nothing that's new under heaven There's nothing unique over hell There's nothing that's new under heaven (Repeat chorus) You can't write a song that's never been sung You can't write a song that's never been sung
The idea of owning an idea to begin with. We have over-reaching laws and laws that are behind the times or ignore things... There isn't a black and white here.
I agree with you that in some sense the "piracy" (or the narrative of it) enables bad business models to continue by using the excuse of it.
But the economic model of selling licenses to your ideas is very flawed to begin with and we aren't thieves those that share against the letter or spirit of laws supporting that business model. Obviously the sharing of an idea doesn't hurt the originator, because it is so hard for the originator to even know something like that is happening - it's an indirect impact of another sort.
I once read a very interesting article in Harpers asking if it was even possible to make a movie about war that doesn't glorify it. (it compares Jarhead and Apocalypse Now, the former featuring classic Apocalypse Now footage to psyche up the soldiers in Iraq)
It's not black or white, but right now we have Zero moral standards in war video games or movies. One might find from a video game -as you mention- that the game is better than the reality. Or you might hunger for a more real game. Or, you may be raised with a background of normalising violence that causes you to not object to the reality.
That's an interesting one about games being a monument. I wonder how many veterans would agree with that. Some surely. Others would be offended by the suggestion.
One of the biggest problems with our morality of nothing but private capital is that we disown responsibility for these things. It's free speech or nothing. The stories we tell make our reality and if all our stories are about war then how can we even comprehend peace. Games aren't exactly storytelling but they overlap a lot.
I'm not saying we should censor anything... just that poop is poop, and war is poop.
Maybe we should have more positive support for games that aren't glamourizing warfare. Of course critics will say that peace is boring. Really shows our cultural context of what is considered "fun" (murder).
All Quiet on the Western Front and Dr. Strangeglove are the best war movies IMO. Catch-22 would be as well if it could do justice to the novel (It didn't).
We soldiers of all nations who lie killed
Ask little: that you never, in our name,
Dare claim we died that men might be fulfilled.
The earth should vomit us, against that shame.
We died; is that enough? Many died well,
Of both sides; most of us died senselessly.
Ask soldiers who outlived us; they may tell
How many died to make men slaves, or free.
We died. None knew, few tried to guess, just why.
No one knows now on either side the grave.
If you insist you know by all means try,
That being your trade, to make the knowledge save.
But never use, not as you honor sorrow,
Our murdered days to garnish your tomorrow.
"Religion" is a very problematic categorisation. Not everyone in the world defines spiritual values, the search for meaning etc. as "Religion" ("Atheists" being a good example, another being those whose religion doesn't get counted as "Religion") Those bashing "Religion" as a general thing are making almost meaningless statements unless one assumes many things, often monotheistic tradition defined "religion" in western acedemic circles....
Anyway, the crusade against general "religion" seems to be at best a crusdae for indivudualism and at worse a crusade for pure ignorance. Definitions are important.
I intend to copy and that is a main function of my brain. That is how thinking and ideas work. There is no such thing as "original" ideas, only well hidden sources. Creativity comes from combining existing ideas not re-inventing the wheel.
imagine the catastrophic economic loss if the plethora of free shared information suddenly dried up. how much have google and wikipedia increased your productivity, to say nothing of all the FOSS software out there. Even my son's Great-Grandmother refers to the Internet for gardening questions when she is stumped.
The paradigm of capital trading to maximum competitive advantage is not going to be around forever. It's pretty new and hasn't a great track record. Our culture will grow to accomodate the cooperative advantages of sharing. It's a good thing too, Capital Trades enriched few at the detriment of the many.
It's never OK to trivialise War in such a way. The real question is when can you get away with it: At what point is opposition small enough to not matter or (better yet) to help drive sales with the illicit thrill of controversy? As others have pointed out it depends a lot on popularity and the politics. If the group are really still being demonized then often the video game can even precede the conflict. Games about "terrorists" etc are examples of this. Realistic games are always going to hit a nerve though, because realism isn't what is usually popular about war.
fried friend. I never proof read that preview like I should.
My wife and I have 4 working bikes, 2 working cargo bikes, one broken cargo bike, 2 working (but needs work) trailers, Several other not working bikes and 4 not working art/chopper bikes.
I read somewhere that there is not enough raw materials/fuel for everone to have a single car that sits in the driveway udriven - or even every family in the world to have that.
It is easier to accumulate lots of bicycles. I have quite a few. The hard part is how many bikes you have that WORK. (Same issue with cars and computers surely)
A fried on mine had almost 40 bikes in his not very large basement appartment. He's a bit unusual (he moved to Toronto and started a great bike shop there)
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the only thing I can see interesting on bing is the hover box which previews stuff on a page. other that, I don't notice anything unique except the brand. And the hover box info on the real search I did (rather than the test ones) didn't give me useful information. I can see it being useful with pictures. However, I'm sure there is already a google/firefox plugin that does such things better if I really wanted that feature.
I agree with the consensus here, this article is just marketing. (also, I just realised, because I can't spell worth sh*t, so I looked up "concensus", that bing isn't as good a spell check as google)
I wonder if the idea that Ganyemede has a liquid iron core is based on the assumption that only liquid iron cores cause magnetic fields?
I would wager money that this is true. All our systems of logic are based on assumptions. Our assumptions about other planets are based on earth (because we know it more).
The examples of these moons certainly is insightful to compare with this radical theory of ocean magnetism. However, it is hardly debunked... proof isn't anecdote. Our theories of the moons of Jupiter will change if our theory of the earth changes. Something like this would be a good excuse for NASA to fire off another probe at these moons - this time with extra magnetism, iron core and water measuring sensors.
planes are non-ferrous aluminium.
I wish Eugene were alive today because we need that kind of leadership now more than ever.
In my experience, the only way to truly help someone is to get to know them better, without any sense of agenda.
Wow, thanks for that. I'm actually reading this article in hope of gleaning some unexpected insight and you're the only sensible new voice I'm hearing.
I think you're approach is right. Otherwise it becomes a contest of wills helper vs. addict. But, being manipulative is hard to avoid (in subtle ways) when you really want someone's behaviour to change.
Personally, I'm addicted to the computer (not games really) and i also know lots of people with big problems who I wish I could help but don't know how to.
Great advice: Follow orders. After all, if we all obey what could possibly go wrong.
well said
Why should someone hide what they are not ashamed of? You are confusing the issues of security and privacy. The privacy to hide what you do online is an unusual and difficult to acquire privledge since most of us get online via some big corporate entity we only quasi-trust and we want to connect with the wider world which isn't in a VPN.
Anyway, filesharing isn't something that should be hidden. As with any civil disobedience it is best done very publically. And hiding doesn't protect you anyway. It's nice that there are networks of the paranoid where you can have some level of anonymity. And we should support these/not take them for granted. But resisting the repressive tide of copyright enclosure and privacy diminishment takes a lot more than hiding in the margins. Hiding in the middle of an open field along with millions of others is Best Practice.
Wow, I always wondered why I couldn't copy large folder trees properly using that OS. I always had assumed it was a permissions/network issues that I couldn't bother to investigate. I always end up just using ntfsprogs from my Ubuntu partition to do it properly... Or mostly just don't bother using that OS.
There's nothing dishonest about saying that to wiggle mouse continuously for several minutes is ridiculous. How does Damned if you do, damned if you don't apply? The issue is a ridiculous bug workaround, not where it gets documented. Of course people will complain either way. Yes, it is better for them to publish it themselves so people don't have to hunt for it. But even better than that - actually just a basic expectation - would be for them to fix the software in the first place. Then they would not be damned.
Oh that's why these new Camera's these days have this entire partition devoted to the useless Windoze software I'll never use. I was wondering what that was for. In Ubuntu it automounts them both and it's always irritating to have this extra thing which is useless to me.
My weirdest workaround was, ages back win98:
I had a new AGFA 1212P scanner which could only be operated with the included Scanwise software. Problem was the software crashed when I started using it. I called tech support. They told me to open Wordpad and to always have Wordpad running if I didn't want it to crash. I asked them if they were serious. They were, and it worked.
Eventually I wrote a batch script to automatically start both at once. I believe there was also some kind of regimen about having the power turned on only before or after the boot (can't remember anymore). It did work but it didn't give the air of reliability or professionalism. There was even a patch for the Scanwise program but that didn't solve the Wordpad issue (just made the GUI buttons more simple) so I kept using my batch script to load the scanner software.
No, I'm saying two things. First was a joke, well actually just chiming in on jdoverholt's joke. That was about brains.
The other is that there is no such thing as an original author/artist/creator. That title just confers more ownership over something either:
A because you actually have done the most work - such as writing a book (that is based on stories you remix from those around you) or
B a legal title confering royalty rights which may or may not have anything to do with how much work you put in.
For instance copyright title can be bought and sold.
Or more relevant, we have lots of artists, as in my example of a pop star who provides only the name and maybe a few lame vocal lines (and the real work is the arrangement, music, editing, fixing the popstar's mistakes, writing the song, etc) who may get total copyright legal title for not very much work... in such a case a remix artist (pirate) does a lot of work and might bring out the really unique creative work (like the hooks in a song) combine that with historical songs that the new pop song draws from -- providing a much more artistically valuable product and history lesson in one package all, lots more work than the copyright holder puts in and all for a lot less pay.
It's also a philosophical stance, irrespective of any examples in the modern piracy debate. Do you believe in original authorship? It touches on the idea of free will to some degree.
Personally I like the idea of free will but I think it comes in the creative moments when we take ownership of the ideas we get from others (the copious knowledge around us that we copy) and then, using that ownership as license to create, we add our own little spin or remix that makes something shine that didn't before.
How much programming is original ideas? Most of it is repetition of simple things, gruntwork, fixing errors... not as fun as that rare case when you really get to solve a new type of problem. I do agree that this work should be valued and paid but the bit about owning the idea to keep it from others is very offensive and contrary to human creativity and (I dare say it) thought mechanisms.
Often the artists doing the "pirate" remixes are doing more work, and citing their sources more honestly, than the people they are supposedly copying from. For example Pop music is always derivative and I think we can all agree there is a lot of it that is made via more money and hype than anything else... And that "Original" work is often ghostwritten by underpaid artists... versus hardworking volunteer artists who bring to light the merit of the real hidden creative work for instance sampling some pop star alongside work it is derivative of such that the public can appreciate the art rather than the pop-star who would otherwise get the credit.
The Ocean of ideas that people play with every day. Combining and seperating constantly in a soup. Where does our language come from? You can have a theory or even a religion exclaiming your idea of the origin of ideas - but prosecuting others who have a different notion of history is wrong.
I'm not saying that re-mixing ideas is more creative than creating original works. I'm saying that both are the same act in essence, it's just a question of degree and method and none is better, only in certain circumstances.
Same seven notes and some slag poet's quotes
Stick them together with glue
You can mix a fine cocktail from memories
And pretend what you're drinking is new
But there's nothing that's new under heaven
(Chorus)
There's nothing that hasn't been done
Pour me another double cliche
You can't write a song that's never been sung
Everyone's stealing from someone
Burglars get burgled as well
There's nothing that's new under heaven
There's nothing unique over hell
There's nothing that's new under heaven
(Repeat chorus)
You can't write a song that's never been sung
You can't write a song that's never been sung
*full stop*
It just isn't.
The idea of owning an idea to begin with. We have over-reaching laws and laws that are behind the times or ignore things... There isn't a black and white here.
I agree with you that in some sense the "piracy" (or the narrative of it) enables bad business models to continue by using the excuse of it.
But the economic model of selling licenses to your ideas is very flawed to begin with and we aren't thieves those that share against the letter or spirit of laws supporting that business model. Obviously the sharing of an idea doesn't hurt the originator, because it is so hard for the originator to even know something like that is happening - it's an indirect impact of another sort.
both trivialise war.
I once read a very interesting article in Harpers asking if it was even possible to make a movie about war that doesn't glorify it. (it compares Jarhead and Apocalypse Now, the former featuring classic Apocalypse Now footage to psyche up the soldiers in Iraq)
It's not black or white, but right now we have Zero moral standards in war video games or movies. One might find from a video game -as you mention- that the game is better than the reality. Or you might hunger for a more real game. Or, you may be raised with a background of normalising violence that causes you to not object to the reality.
That's an interesting one about games being a monument. I wonder how many veterans would agree with that. Some surely. Others would be offended by the suggestion.
One of the biggest problems with our morality of nothing but private capital is that we disown responsibility for these things. It's free speech or nothing. The stories we tell make our reality and if all our stories are about war then how can we even comprehend peace. Games aren't exactly storytelling but they overlap a lot.
I'm not saying we should censor anything... just that poop is poop, and war is poop.
Maybe we should have more positive support for games that aren't glamourizing warfare. Of course critics will say that peace is boring. Really shows our cultural context of what is considered "fun" (murder).
All Quiet on the Western Front and Dr. Strangeglove are the best war movies IMO. Catch-22 would be as well if it could do justice to the novel (It didn't).
We soldiers of all nations who lie killed
Ask little: that you never, in our name,
Dare claim we died that men might be fulfilled.
The earth should vomit us, against that shame.
We died; is that enough? Many died well,
Of both sides; most of us died senselessly.
Ask soldiers who outlived us; they may tell
How many died to make men slaves, or free.
We died. None knew, few tried to guess, just why.
No one knows now on either side the grave.
If you insist you know by all means try,
That being your trade, to make the knowledge save.
But never use, not as you honor sorrow,
Our murdered days to garnish your tomorrow.
- James Agee
"Religion" is a very problematic categorisation. Not everyone in the world defines spiritual values, the search for meaning etc. as "Religion" ("Atheists" being a good example, another being those whose religion doesn't get counted as "Religion") Those bashing "Religion" as a general thing are making almost meaningless statements unless one assumes many things, often monotheistic tradition defined "religion" in western acedemic circles....
Anyway, the crusade against general "religion" seems to be at best a crusdae for indivudualism and at worse a crusade for pure ignorance. Definitions are important.
I intend to copy and that is a main function of my brain. That is how thinking and ideas work. There is no such thing as "original" ideas, only well hidden sources. Creativity comes from combining existing ideas not re-inventing the wheel.
cynical.
imagine the catastrophic economic loss if the plethora of free shared information suddenly dried up. how much have google and wikipedia increased your productivity, to say nothing of all the FOSS software out there. Even my son's Great-Grandmother refers to the Internet for gardening questions when she is stumped.
The paradigm of capital trading to maximum competitive advantage is not going to be around forever. It's pretty new and hasn't a great track record. Our culture will grow to accomodate the cooperative advantages of sharing. It's a good thing too, Capital Trades enriched few at the detriment of the many.
It's never OK to trivialise War in such a way. The real question is when can you get away with it: At what point is opposition small enough to not matter or (better yet) to help drive sales with the illicit thrill of controversy? As others have pointed out it depends a lot on popularity and the politics. If the group are really still being demonized then often the video game can even precede the conflict. Games about "terrorists" etc are examples of this. Realistic games are always going to hit a nerve though, because realism isn't what is usually popular about war.
It would be about 1001 times cheaper to do it with paint, styrofoam, cardboard... the usualy specialy effects. Also it would be less reliable.
fried friend. I never proof read that preview like I should.
My wife and I have 4 working bikes, 2 working cargo bikes, one broken cargo bike, 2 working (but needs work) trailers, Several other not working bikes and 4 not working art/chopper bikes.
I'm a packrat too.
I read somewhere that there is not enough raw materials/fuel for everone to have a single car that sits in the driveway udriven - or even every family in the world to have that.
It is easier to accumulate lots of bicycles. I have quite a few. The hard part is how many bikes you have that WORK. (Same issue with cars and computers surely)
A fried on mine had almost 40 bikes in his not very large basement appartment. He's a bit unusual (he moved to Toronto and started a great bike shop there)
What? It isn't illegal. Maybe the immediately taking it back part could become that but paying a small amount to someone is not illegal.