I don't keep up with IE development beyond the headlines because I use my energy to make solutions instead of being an "Anonymous Coward" to fling insults at people.
I develop web apps in standards compliant browsers, then take a small amount of time at the unit test level to make sure it works in IE.
This strategy provides me with the gratification of using my time to produce things that make people's lives easier and without having to be concerned with everything Microsoft does.
IE 6 reminds me of the old pre-Jurassic Park dinosaur movies. In most of them there is a scene where a big monster is shot, but still keeps moving. Some scientist explains that their nervous systems are still so primitive that they don't know they are dead yet and there is a delay between being shot and falling down.
Something tells me that in February when I "tune in" ( okay, download ) to see what happens with "The Walking Dead" I'm going to see a scene with some people from Rick's group running frantically through a building. At one point they are going to dart into a closed room to escape. It will be a computer lab. There will be animated corpses rotting in the chairs. On screen, in front of them will be IE 6 running.
Take comfort you are not alone. My last job was in an org like that. They even had production software that relied on foxpro, microsoft access and bat files. They were able to get away with it because their customer was a government agency with an authoritarian IT sub-agency that was just as technologically conservative and resistant to change.
The good news is that not all places to work are like that. You go through stress when you leave and find out how far behind you are, but at the same time you also fall in love with your career again as you end up learning new things.
They built their software with programmers and supervisors who thought IE was the internet and everything else was just a passing fad.
Their primary customer was a government agency, run by a central IT subagency about 5 years behind everyone else.........AND PROUD of it. Seriously, I interviewed with the head of the place and he thought it was foolish to go with new things as they were not as sure as what you invested time and money in.
The boss where I worked thought like that too.
I think they both had a point, but as the medical people say "its the dose that makes the poison".
Both of those groups took that anti-change philosophy too far and suffered losses from it.
I think that is poor judgement, fueled by fear of change.
For your sake, I really hope you are mocking what you think are other people's attitudes and that you don't actually live by those ideas. No insult intended.
In my opinion the debacle of "IE 6" happened because
- Microsoft was all about "embrace & extend" to shut out
competitors
- Many web designers and even programmers didn't know there was an "internet" beyond IE, Exchange & hotmail
Is it still possible for another "IE 6" to happen?
That is a browser that doesn't follow W3 standards, a browser that becomes incompatible with later versions of itself and such a browser that is kept in use by big orgs because zillions of lines of code were written to work with THAT BROWSER only?
I haven't kept up with IE development, but it seems like Microsoft from IE 7 on has made an effort to get closer to the web development standards everyone else uses.
Even supervisors resistant to change like at my old org are now aware of the existence and popularity of other browsers beyond just IE.
I guess the question is are there still web designers and web programmers who code to IE only and organizations that support that........and if so, does it matter, does IE get close enough to standards so it doesn't matter?
I feel sad for the few people left still using it. Probably someone in a big org where some vital piece of software was written only with IE 6 in mind.
That raises a good point, why is the issue of carrier safety even an issue. Why not launch planes and helicopters to sink the Iranian speed boats while keeping the carriers far to the rear?
Don't laugh. Google on the battle the UK had over the Falkland Islands. Both sides quickly pulled their big ships to rear safe zones when they realized little, cheap ( in comparison ) missiles could make short work of huge, expensive ships.
Governments that make sure their people have their basic needs met and a future can get away with a lot. Think of "bread and circuses" with the ancient Romans......or TV and beer with modern America:). That is something a lot of greedy, power hungry regimes haven't figured out yet.
WebKit is to tablet PC operating systems as SmallTalk was to object oriented languages. A great idea existing before the state of the art could support it.
I think there is some truth in what you say, but I've TRIED to use good practices in languages not built for it. The structures of the language have more than a minimal influence.
Languages also come with communities that have cultures that reinforce certain practices. That is where individual programmers pick up and are encouraged toward good/bad practices.
Many procedural languages have some sort of modularization, at the least prodcedures/functions/subroutines.
Any code I have seen in those languages, however, have been giant monolithic multi-page walls of sphagetti code despite the option for breaking things into modules being there.
Having worked with some of those programmers, they do know better, but the culture of those languages along with the structure helped ingrain a career of BAD HABITS.
Iran used to be silent and contained. Their border hostilities with Iraq and Sadam Husein kept it that way. Then Bush 1 pissed on that because he had a recession and a lack luster presidency. Bush 2 further dismantled Iraq as Iranian cork because his family honour was offended.
Bad timing for that feature, after Toyotos troubles. People now know that steering wheels, accelerator pedals, brakes are just interfaces, not the actual "controls". I think many people would prefer for cars to be less automatic and give them more control from that perspective.
What happens when Ford, like Toyoto, outsources some component to a third party who fucks up? You are driving along one day when you car decides you aren't driving properly and decides to ram you into a tree.
Anyone remember the battles in the Falkland Islands in the 80s?
I grew up watching old WWII documentaries with destroyers pounding each other in epic battles for days.
Then on the news, I saw huge and expensive high tech ships last all of seconds going up against modern missiles and torpedos.
I think the age of epic navel battles with ever bigger and more powerful ships is over.
I remember that both sides in the Falkland Islands battle were shocked how quickly they were going through ships and quickly pulled their bigger, more expensive ones to the rear out of harms way.
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I don't keep up with IE development beyond the headlines because I use my energy to make solutions instead of being an "Anonymous Coward" to fling insults at people.
I develop web apps in standards compliant browsers, then take a small amount of time at the unit test level to make sure it works in IE.
This strategy provides me with the gratification of using my time to produce things that make people's lives easier and without having to be concerned with everything Microsoft does.
I suggest you try it.
IE 6 reminds me of the old pre-Jurassic Park dinosaur movies. In most of them there is a scene where a big monster is shot, but still keeps moving. Some scientist explains that their nervous systems are still so primitive that they don't know they are dead yet and there is a delay between being shot and falling down.
Something tells me that in February when I "tune in" ( okay, download ) to see what happens with "The Walking Dead" I'm going to see a scene with some people from Rick's group running frantically through a building. At one point they are going to dart into a closed room to escape. It will be a computer lab. There will be animated corpses rotting in the chairs. On screen, in front of them will be IE 6 running.
Take comfort you are not alone. My last job was in an org like that. They even had production software that relied on foxpro, microsoft access and bat files. They were able to get away with it because their customer was a government agency with an authoritarian IT sub-agency that was just as technologically conservative and resistant to change.
The good news is that not all places to work are like that. You go through stress when you leave and find out how far behind you are, but at the same time you also fall in love with your career again as you end up learning new things.
I had such a job.
They built their software with programmers and supervisors who thought IE was the internet and everything else was just a passing fad.
Their primary customer was a government agency, run by a central IT subagency about 5 years behind everyone else.........AND PROUD of it. Seriously, I interviewed with the head of the place and he thought it was foolish to go with new things as they were not as sure as what you invested time and money in.
The boss where I worked thought like that too.
I think they both had a point, but as the medical people say "its the dose that makes the poison".
Both of those groups took that anti-change philosophy too far and suffered losses from it.
I think that is poor judgement, fueled by fear of change.
That place still had systems running in foxpro.
For your sake, I really hope you are mocking what you think are other people's attitudes and that you don't actually live by those ideas. No insult intended.
In my opinion the debacle of "IE 6" happened because
- Microsoft was all about "embrace & extend" to shut out
competitors
- Many web designers and even programmers didn't know there was an "internet" beyond IE, Exchange & hotmail
Is it still possible for another "IE 6" to happen?
That is a browser that doesn't follow W3 standards, a browser that becomes incompatible with later versions of itself and such a browser that is kept in use by big orgs because zillions of lines of code were written to work with THAT BROWSER only?
I haven't kept up with IE development, but it seems like Microsoft from IE 7 on has made an effort to get closer to the web development standards everyone else uses.
Even supervisors resistant to change like at my old org are now aware of the existence and popularity of other browsers beyond just IE.
I guess the question is are there still web designers and web programmers who code to IE only and organizations that support that........and if so, does it matter, does IE get close enough to standards so it doesn't matter?
"IE 6 is STILL alive, WTF??!!"
I feel sad for the few people left still using it. Probably someone in a big org where some vital piece of software was written only with IE 6 in mind.
That raises a good point, why is the issue of carrier safety even an issue. Why not launch planes and helicopters to sink the Iranian speed boats while keeping the carriers far to the rear?
Unashamed Java fanboy here. Yes!
This must really burn up the haters.
I read in the news too that they are now making their own nuclear fuel rods.
Don't laugh. Google on the battle the UK had over the Falkland Islands. Both sides quickly pulled their big ships to rear safe zones when they realized little, cheap ( in comparison ) missiles could make short work of huge, expensive ships.
Governments that make sure their people have their basic needs met and a future can get away with a lot. Think of "bread and circuses" with the ancient Romans......or TV and beer with modern America :). That is something a lot of greedy, power hungry regimes haven't figured out yet.
Sound like a country determined to be poor.
Alec Liu of Fox News reports that Amazon, Facebook and Google are considering a coordinated blackout of the internet to protest SOPA
Even if Congress relents, they should do it. It would be just too cool of a spectacle not to!
It would also be fun to read the next day in the news how American office worker productivity had a temporary spike upwards.
"WebKit will still leave WebOS underpowered relative to Apple's software."
Wow, that is saying a lot.
WebKit is to tablet PC operating systems as SmallTalk was to object oriented languages. A great idea existing before the state of the art could support it.
I think there is some truth in what you say, but I've TRIED to use good practices in languages not built for it. The structures of the language have more than a minimal influence.
Languages also come with communities that have cultures that reinforce certain practices. That is where individual programmers pick up and are encouraged toward good/bad practices.
Many procedural languages have some sort of modularization, at the least prodcedures/functions/subroutines.
Any code I have seen in those languages, however, have been giant monolithic multi-page walls of sphagetti code despite the option for breaking things into modules being there.
Having worked with some of those programmers, they do know better, but the culture of those languages along with the structure helped ingrain a career of BAD HABITS.
lol
Eh, maybe he was working out repressed jealously that no one would ever want to use his work.
Iran used to be silent and contained. Their border hostilities with Iraq and Sadam Husein kept it that way. Then Bush 1 pissed on that because he had a recession and a lack luster presidency. Bush 2 further dismantled Iraq as Iranian cork because his family honour was offended.
I wonder what some of the sci-fi/big brother application of this technology might be.
Hackers/terrorists taking over cars on a major freeway to guide people to their deaths?
The police/government deciding they have a problem with you and then seizing control of your car while you are driving it?
Bad timing for that feature, after Toyotos troubles. People now know that steering wheels, accelerator pedals, brakes are just interfaces, not the actual "controls". I think many people would prefer for cars to be less automatic and give them more control from that perspective.
What happens when Ford, like Toyoto, outsources some component to a third party who fucks up? You are driving along one day when you car decides you aren't driving properly and decides to ram you into a tree.
Anyone remember the battles in the Falkland Islands in the 80s?
I grew up watching old WWII documentaries with destroyers pounding each other in epic battles for days.
Then on the news, I saw huge and expensive high tech ships last all of seconds going up against modern missiles and torpedos.
I think the age of epic navel battles with ever bigger and more powerful ships is over.
I remember that both sides in the Falkland Islands battle were shocked how quickly they were going through ships and quickly pulled their bigger, more expensive ones to the rear out of harms way.
Isn't this like Ford releasing a Model T for 2012?
Who cares about Basic in 2012?
No disrespect to anyone, I'm serious. Honest thought, not meant to offend.