I didn't smear MythTV, I pointed out how arrogant assholes can ruin someones experience and cause them to leave.
In the pastebin link you cited as being "less one-sided", you are barking orders to people and citing your credentials. What you say about arrogance turning potentially contributing members of a community away is sometimes true, commonly enough as to have become cliche, and quite unfortunate. However, you appear to have had a deep expectation that this is how you would be met. When you're convinced that you have good reason to "hate linux people", as you put it, you will tend to see what you believe. Especially after you have (admirably!) spent two frustrating days trying to find a solution.
It puts my teeth on edge to read the tone of your post here, and also of your linked IRC log. It came off -- and I say this not as an insult but as a barometer -- in a similar way to this guy. I'm not saying you're like that guy; but the heaviness with which you tried to control the conversation could have been perceived as a sense of entitlement. I certainly would have perceived it that way had I been present, and I likely would have reacted in a way that reinforced your dislike of the denizens of help channels.
It's only on multiple readings that I can see that you didn't actually have a chip on your shoulder, and did not actually possess the sense of entitlement that I attributed to you. Rather, you were venting frustration. Maybe you dreaded the trip you would have to make to #mythtv-users because you expected that you'd missed something obvious and would feel stupid when it was pointed out. If you are anything like me, this expectation will always render you very sensitive to being rubbed the wrong way by a rough sense of humor or an assumption that you are a noob (which, a priori, is the most likely hypothesis). If you're sensitive to it, then it doesn't matter how gently or politely they express this assumption; it will get your hackles up. And if the noob assumption is expressed less-than-gently because you opened with a statement that you intended to be humbly self-deprecating but which contained no mythtv-related query, you are likely to perceive it as a full-blown assault on your legitimacy.
If there is any personal advice I can offer, it is to maintain a sense of humor when entering any situation like this. You'll be encountering a lot of strong personalities. Maybe you expect them to respect your frustration, your intelligence, and the time you put into a solution so far (they may assume you're a noob). Maybe they expect you to ask your question first thing, all on one line (you didn't). Your sense of humor is a sort of shock-absorber to ride out the first few missed expectations and maintain your cool. It smooths over the beginning of the conversation. Small matters of etiquette can be allowed to slide on both sides. Thereafter, if someone's legitimatly an asshole, they're easy to spot and ignore.
As far as the nature of the community... hell, even if IRC were the most wretched hive of scum and villainy I'd still dread that support experience less than, say, Dell's.
Seriously, when will we realize that the best User Interface is a 3D environment individuals can navigate as easily as the world around us. Just make a quake, darkforces, or HL mod, pull in dynamic data that any web interface can provide, and have the guns change variables in a fun interactive way. Fine fine, use more recent games or engines, but you get my point?
Agreed - Once you've used a tool like psdoom to terminate a runaway browser process, there's no going back. It's only natural that the killing of processes should be represented as killing in the user interface! I'm just waiting for the VR helmet or at least some head tracking. Using a keyboard in the course of system administration is so... artificial.
If we are gonna skip numbers, why "6"?, sounds like the devil's work to me. They even use "hex" numbers in the dot notation... (which is 8 groups of 4 hex digits... so why not IPv8?)
8 looks too much like 6. We'll have to bring back IPv9 instead.
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long as the name is changed.
That last part is the deal breaker. I was looking for a truly free license, but this still doesn't quite cut it.
The quoted text does not pertain to works licenced under the WTFPL, but rather restricts what you can do with the license document.
In other words, the WTFPL is so free that works licensed under it are freer than the WTFPL itself!
I once viddied an animated documentary about a small town in Colorado that lost the internet for 22 minutes. It was not pretty. Our hearts and minds go out to you, people of Sweden. I cannot even fathom what that would be like... I hope the looting and rioting has died down with the restoration of the internet.
The moon has a completely insurmountable 1.2 second ping.
Even if a first generation move to the moon, their kids won't put up with a 1.2+ second ping in halo, and will move back to earth when they are 16.
So you see, it won't be sustainable.
Nah, Moon kids set up our own FPS servers. Do you think we want to play with the Earth kids? Those guys crank the in-game gravity way up, about six times the realistic level. I mean, come on!
There is no transitive conjugation of the word "leak" except to indicate intent.
If the transitive verb "leak" is taken to mean "to take extra steps to make public, such as by posting to WikiLeaks or submitting as a press release", sure. But that argument is both semantic and circular.
The sticker-caring-about masses got pissed off because they were sold Aero, told it was Vista, and proceeded to take the Vista-Capable stickers as a cause for reassurance.
The sticker needs to tell these people the feature set they'll be capable of running. They couldn't care less about the processor architecture.
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Who the hell thought this was worthy of placing into a quotes file, anyway?
Quotably quoted.
I didn't smear MythTV, I pointed out how arrogant assholes can ruin someones experience and cause them to leave.
In the pastebin link you cited as being "less one-sided", you are barking orders to people and citing your credentials. What you say about arrogance turning potentially contributing members of a community away is sometimes true, commonly enough as to have become cliche, and quite unfortunate. However, you appear to have had a deep expectation that this is how you would be met. When you're convinced that you have good reason to "hate linux people", as you put it, you will tend to see what you believe. Especially after you have (admirably!) spent two frustrating days trying to find a solution.
It puts my teeth on edge to read the tone of your post here, and also of your linked IRC log. It came off -- and I say this not as an insult but as a barometer -- in a similar way to this guy. I'm not saying you're like that guy; but the heaviness with which you tried to control the conversation could have been perceived as a sense of entitlement. I certainly would have perceived it that way had I been present, and I likely would have reacted in a way that reinforced your dislike of the denizens of help channels.
It's only on multiple readings that I can see that you didn't actually have a chip on your shoulder, and did not actually possess the sense of entitlement that I attributed to you. Rather, you were venting frustration. Maybe you dreaded the trip you would have to make to #mythtv-users because you expected that you'd missed something obvious and would feel stupid when it was pointed out. If you are anything like me, this expectation will always render you very sensitive to being rubbed the wrong way by a rough sense of humor or an assumption that you are a noob (which, a priori, is the most likely hypothesis). If you're sensitive to it, then it doesn't matter how gently or politely they express this assumption; it will get your hackles up. And if the noob assumption is expressed less-than-gently because you opened with a statement that you intended to be humbly self-deprecating but which contained no mythtv-related query, you are likely to perceive it as a full-blown assault on your legitimacy.
If there is any personal advice I can offer, it is to maintain a sense of humor when entering any situation like this. You'll be encountering a lot of strong personalities. Maybe you expect them to respect your frustration, your intelligence, and the time you put into a solution so far (they may assume you're a noob). Maybe they expect you to ask your question first thing, all on one line (you didn't). Your sense of humor is a sort of shock-absorber to ride out the first few missed expectations and maintain your cool. It smooths over the beginning of the conversation. Small matters of etiquette can be allowed to slide on both sides. Thereafter, if someone's legitimatly an asshole, they're easy to spot and ignore.
As far as the nature of the community... hell, even if IRC were the most wretched hive of scum and villainy I'd still dread that support experience less than, say, Dell's.
And I'm still not allowed to use PNG transparency at my job. :(
A homophone is a word that sounds the same as another but has a different meaning.
Oh, "homophone". I was thinking of a word that sounds almost the same but has a very different meaning.
Seriously, when will we realize that the best User Interface is a 3D environment individuals can navigate as easily as the world around us. Just make a quake, darkforces, or HL mod, pull in dynamic data that any web interface can provide, and have the guns change variables in a fun interactive way. Fine fine, use more recent games or engines, but you get my point?
Agreed - Once you've used a tool like psdoom to terminate a runaway browser process, there's no going back. It's only natural that the killing of processes should be represented as killing in the user interface! I'm just waiting for the VR helmet or at least some head tracking. Using a keyboard in the course of system administration is so... artificial.
where I was building a quantum computer... I think a there should be a little "game over" sign appearing before my eyes.
Your game, my friend, is just beginning.
Use a bare except, plz.
Following the old tenet here, I shied away from making the code completely invulnerable.
# That's not invulnerable. Try this:
while 1:
try:
while 1:
print "Hello World"
except KeyboardInterrupt:
pass
Removing that isn't so much privacy as logic. What would it say?
"Status: Dead"
"Status: Still Dead"
"Status: REAL Dead"
"Status: Excitedly Dead"
"Status: Dead Dead"
Status: Zombie. Want BRAAAAAINS
And here I thought that dominant portion of SparkFun was "Fun"!
...which is nearly phonetically identical to "Sun".
I thought this was Mayan...
In related news, the Christmas tree is also pagan.
If we are gonna skip numbers, why "6"?, sounds like the devil's work to me. They even use "hex" numbers in the dot notation... (which is 8 groups of 4 hex digits... so why not IPv8?)
8 looks too much like 6. We'll have to bring back IPv9 instead.
If I were to express confidence that there is a perfectly cogent explanation for the behavior of both disputing parties?
The net-net is, that's up to your peers.
Now excuse me while IP.
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim or modified copies of this license document, and changing it is allowed as long as the name is changed.
That last part is the deal breaker. I was looking for a truly free license, but this still doesn't quite cut it.
The quoted text does not pertain to works licenced under the WTFPL, but rather restricts what you can do with the license document.
In other words, the WTFPL is so free that works licensed under it are freer than the WTFPL itself!
+1 Influential
Does the acronym IANAL bug anybody else?
A little, but I don't have a bug up my butt about it.
I once viddied an animated documentary about a small town in Colorado that lost the internet for 22 minutes. It was not pretty. Our hearts and minds go out to you, people of Sweden. I cannot even fathom what that would be like ... I hope the looting and rioting has died down with the restoration of the internet.
At least it wasn't Finland.
All the same, somebody better tell Norway. They were really close.
The moon has a completely insurmountable 1.2 second ping. Even if a first generation move to the moon, their kids won't put up with a 1.2+ second ping in halo, and will move back to earth when they are 16. So you see, it won't be sustainable.
Nah, Moon kids set up our own FPS servers. Do you think we want to play with the Earth kids? Those guys crank the in-game gravity way up, about six times the realistic level. I mean, come on!
"Armageddulus"
There is no transitive conjugation of the word "leak" except to indicate intent.
If the transitive verb "leak" is taken to mean "to take extra steps to make public, such as by posting to WikiLeaks or submitting as a press release", sure. But that argument is both semantic and circular.
I've always seen it as a litmus test. If you can't stay faithful to your spouse, why should I trust you to stay faithful to your constituents?
Ow. Brain asplode.
Ow
Ow ow ow ow ow...
If the probe misses
If the probe fails in its mission and instead makes a soft landing on the lunar surface, then I'll attribute it to the power of prayer.
I mean, wow, can you imagine?
The sticker needs to tell these people the feature set they'll be capable of running. They couldn't care less about the processor architecture.
Does more of a bad thing equal a good thing?
Does a negative plus a negative equal a positive? Ooohhh, I should know this.
In Google's defense, they do make their opt-out process as painless as they can.