I never did understand what "thrill" people get from doing this. Do you have some valid knowledge? A point? Come on, next you'll be bitching about my english.
I'd even have D Slow if I could. I just need low latency. Comcast wants damn near $50 a month for internet, anything else requires that i install a phone line(+$10 to any phone based service), which I don't need because I use Cell phones.
Greener as in from Evergreen State? No. Greener as in have solar on my house? YES Greener as in bad stereotype that says I should have Dreds and smell like patchuli (sp?) NO. Nor do I do any drugs
I'd love some new referalls, it's that time of year when anyone can use an extra $ or two.
Was interested in why I got a troll on that too. Odd I must say, first one since what? 97? ten years? crazy.
1. I charge $35/hr to people I know and friends, I charge $75/hr firm to others. 2. I look for crap data right off the bat! If I find offending material (pron, P2p, bonzi buddy), well, I know where the infection came from, and how to stop it from happening again.
a. If a wife directly asks me if her husband is looking at pron, I tell them that is a question for them not me!
(both before and after I get the pc.)
b. If I am asked to investigate a minor's computer I don't bill for the 2nd hour of searching for *.jpg, *.avi, *.mpg,
*.slt, *.sex, *.zip, and I give the parent a report of where all the stuff is located i.e C:\system\hidden\momdontlookhere\SuperhotMILFS and usually the kids have the best stuff. (at least w/ music) 3. If I find P2P software on grandma's computer I tell her that her grand children shouldn't use it when they come over, and explain why.
The fact is doing these searches early clearly tells me that 1. whether the user is being straight with me about thier situation 2. They are going to deny it if they are not. 3. Explain to them what life is like when your bank account is drained to $0.00, and why they need to clean up their computing "lifestyle" 4. That I can make serious money if I "make it go away" and tell them it's confidential, and that upon referral, I'll reduce my rate, and they will be a repeat customer!
Because when you fix these kind of mistakes professionally, people gain serious respect for you!
Lastly, when I do fix a bad spyware infection, it often takes far longer than what the customer will pay for. I let them know asap if this is going to be the case. Then, if I have to remove their computer from the site and do software repairs @ home, then a small copy of c:\windows\CD's I've ripped\noreally\sorryriaa\limewire\*.mp3 should be a friggin perk! Hell, I even ask if it's o.k., and 9 times out of 10 I get a yes, or "Sure, if you can fix it". (once a guy tried to tell me it was all legit, despite the fact that they had bit rates all over the place.)
Haven't seen anything good lately though. Anyone got a spyware infection in WA that needs a uh cough cough, inspection?
My point w/ all this is simply that it's extremely useful to find out how an infection gets on a computer, especially if they have a virus scanner and a firewall. BestBuy just wipes it clean and hands it back to you. Sometimes it comes back a little dirty on the outside though (ewwww)
good point, it is not wrong to say from your perspective the world is flat, but we know different now, and stating the world is flat would probably get you at least a few wierd looks...
I think from a users perspective it will be subjective based on how they cunduct themselves on the net. If you give every tom dick and harry your real@ddress.com your going to get an inbox full of offers to enlarge your wang, shrink your prostate, cure cancer, and find a bunch of long lost nigerian princes who need economic relief by giving you money to give them money back!.
First off, while I got my rear kicked a few times in school, I am the better for it. Looking back, I would not have it any other way. Now people move out of my way. (unless they are little old ladies for some reason they can't see a 6' stacked 260lb man)
Secondly, how bad did you leave your job? why was it on such bad terms that your worried about what they might comment? if you don't like a comment (at least on myspace) you can just delete it. If your ex coworkers are going to call you out, they are no longer your friends are they... DELETE THEM.
As far as the "true story", related to Burning Man, you have to be pretty dumb to publicize your "sketchy" or slightly off color habits / relationships that you don't want other people to know about without using an alias of some sort. Rules for publishing to the net: 1. If you have something you don't think EVERYONE should have access to it, god forbid it gets close to the net. 2. Surely don't put it there yourself! 3. Lastly don't associate your "real" ID w/it if you do feel the need to show your dark side to anyone who might someday at least have a neighbor who owns a telephone and decides to get hooked to the tubes! 4. That last rule extends to your laptop, because wouldn't it suck if you took your laptop to the christmas party to show your coworkers digital pics when up pops your secret fetish about ********* or something even after you "tested" it @ home.
These rules are so obvious as to be bordering on obnoxios to even have to state it, but the necessity seems real.
For me, on my personal pages, I got nothing to hide. Some of the sketchy relationships I have I am not proud of, but they are relationships none the less, and I horde them because someday they might be useful (or at least add some fun to my funeral).Everyone who knows me well, knows my "/." alias so that they know the "real" me thoroughly. Besides it's derived from my BBS handle which grew suddenly out of politically correctness in the early '90s. Damn it when words take on two meanings, but I digress...
I have been looking to try 2k7 as I know businesses are now starting to migrate over. We just don't have it in the forcast yet due to several other large scale projects.
Even though a good portion of slashdot readers are m$ haters, we all know when we've been beat.
Outlook has been the industry standard in business for so long for a multitude of reasons. Including, but not limited to:
1. Everyone else uses it. 2. There is plenty of people to support it 3. When exchange server is up, it just works (see # 2) 4. The interface is familiar (Folder list looks like a standard directory tree), the Preview pane is handy 5. Almost any Pop3 service or ISP has instructions to set up outlook to work with email (and as a prior poster explained, outlooks supreme integration between e-mail and scheduling makes it easy to use)
There are just as many reasons why resource scheduling should be a target market and some of the reasons may also be a benefit to outlook. The #1's are the same, and while outlook has very advanced features, that can be torture to a new user who often doesn't get any kind of formal training.
Just to name a few reasons why someone would want to creat an "Outlook Killer":
1. Everyone uses it and therefore if you successfully overthrow M$, you will have a fair bit of $ or exposure on hand. 2. Search function is slow as molasses on a freezing cold day. 3. While customizeable it's not really "skin" able. 4. Advanced features can be overwhelming & you need a college level level course to understand the whole program, or be a techie who can figure it out (like most of us) but even then, you might use outlook to 1/2 it's potential. 5. Help files o.k., but an integrated tutorial would be nice. 6. Spam Filtering doesn't work so well.
This is not to look at office 2k7 because I haven't seen an office with it yet. If you use the "new" outlook, what are your impressions?
In conclusion there are a great many good things about outlook, I will publicly stand with you and say they did a good job of creating this application. Microsoft will probably hold on to this application in some evolving form as long as they are in the business of making software. Word, and powerpoint may not be so lucky...
To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
(a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:
`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism
`SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.
`For purposes of this subtitle:
`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.
`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.
`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.
`The Congress finds the following:
`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.
`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.
`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.
`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.
`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.
`(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.
`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.
`(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.
`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.
I guess my point was more to the effect of why throw so much energy to an "anonymous" source? I agree that the sticks and stones rule is junk, but if someone I don't know, who obviously doesn't know me, or just drew my name out of a hat full of politicians and started spouting off crap, I would assume it is a plant from an opposing party.
Slander happens all the time, and while wrong (I DO think it's wrong) If you put credit into all anonymous slander it's similar to fearing a terrorist attack, it just fuels the fire, then the slanderer wins.
it has NO credibility? Why would this guy care if some anonymous jerk said that "he rapes any 5 year old he comes in contact with and kills kittens because he thinks it's cute?"
Unless more than a few minor anonymous sources indicate the same exact thing, it falls under the sticks and stones rule.
Words by people whom you don't know are worthless.
using another example, it sounds like what you are saying is that when the wind pushes on a skyscraper it moves the earth.
The generators by definition must take energy out of the 'tidal system'. The energy they take is not simply summoned out of the ether, nor is it energy that would otherwise 'do nothing' if it were left in the system.
Realize that you are implying that there is energy in the waves that currently goes nowhere. What does all that energy we hope to harness do now? Think, what is that energy doing now? It is there, has to be for us to harness it right? where does it go? ** homework assignment **
Seriously, (I am trying to help, as best I can.)explain that to me what you envision so I can help you understand this more. Think when you are at the beach. Use all your senses to describe what happens when a large wave washes up on shore. This will help you.
Tidal forces generate the energy from gravity, this is true, it is also on a MACRO scale extremely large. Even if it could affect the moon, a whole coastline would be insignifigant, but I digress. There is no change to mass on the earth, or energy in the system, you are just changing where the energy goes, instead of eroding a coastline, you are generating power.
Adding 100 generators does NOTHING DIFFERANT than having a bulkhead or a coastal cliff or a reef. Instead of the water traveling UP the cliff, or shore, or slowing through a reef, it pushes a small turbine back and forth.and the water goes back out. The same energy the tide had before the generator is used to go up the cliff, it doesnt "trap" the water for any signifigant period of time. Nor could we if we tried. Will it affect the earth? Yes locally to the generator only because you changed it's environment in such a way as placing a boulder in a river. That boulder can not affect how the force of water at it's source. The glacier still melts.
I probably don't know how to explain it in a way you would understand, except maybe to illustrate one other aspect of physics.
If it takes 100 pounds of force to start a large boulder in motion, and you exert 10 pounds of lateral force on that boulder, what happens to the earth below your feet? That energy has to go somewhere by your definition, but the only thing that moves is you, away from the rock. You pivot backwards. Does work happen? Yes, but not on the boulder.
It's the same thing with waves, right now, they don't wash up on shore and keep going. gravity holds them down to earth, and so they disipate it's energy by swashing around, and MOVING sand and water. (which is work, using the energy of waves) To harness that swashing energy, all you have to do is put a bouy on a rod w/ a dynamo in the middle, add a few diodes, and you have a generator..
I know what it's like to not have something explained to you properly when your curious, it's frustrating. I am not a scientist, but I play one on T.V. (just kidding about the T.V. part) I am sorry that I am unable to explain this to your satisfaction.
On the pendulum we spoke of earlier, once you push the pendulum into motion, anything you do to it afterwards has no effect on the initial pushing force. but only the actual pendulum itself. The earth and moon tidal lock is similar
I can't remember the name for this logical error, but it's common in 1st year physics. I too had a similar aguement, but my teacher explained it far better than what I am trying to do for you I guess. It has to do with where you look at the equation.
Really your taking a small box at the end of an equation and making changes that result in a net of 0 (add here and takeaway from there) and asking how it affects the whole equation.
Ohh, I just thought of it, and it uses your example of a hydro dam. The coast is basically shaped like a plane right? The tide comes up the plain right? All we are doing is adding a hydro dam on the shore, catching a small part of that water going out, sl
I think the thing your missing is that the tidal generators are stationary, like the cliffs off the oregon coast, and are not adding energy to the equation, They don't take away that energy, just utilizing the energy that disipates from the oceans rise and fall. All that energy is contained ON Earth, and the mass stays (relatively) constant on earth, so the net effect is 0. Delta = change
Delta Mass + Delta energy = 0
Their is no change of energy, your just utilizing energy that would have been wasted. It just seems like your gaining (or losing) energy because we are putting it to good use, but really that energy would have been there wether we harnesed it or not. We see this as erosion, swelling of rivers during high tide, sand bars being created & destroyed, etc.
Lets go back to our car example, If you were to take that car at the top of the hill, and add a system (like the Toyota Prius) to generate electricity from the wheels, the only thing that changes in our example is that the car would not go as high up the other side, and might make fewer "swings". The car still ends up stoped in the middle, but now with a battery that is charged enough to hopefully drive up and out*!
*The batteries had a 1/3 charge to start with because a prius won't fully drain them, and thus thermodynamic laws in this example would be conserved.
The real thing you have to worry about is the environment of the area where the tidal generator exists. They do change their local ecosystem, and in oceans, that ecosystem can be delicate or robust based on many conditions.
The energy is disipated similarly to a pendulum (from what I remember, but there is an example to follow!)
This works because the water goes up the shoreline like a ramp, (or whatever object it hits) and cascades back down into another wave as it is going up or out.
Imagine a car going over the crest of a hill into a valley. If the valley was the same hieght on either side, what happens if you start at a complete stop on the top, and give the car a slight push to get it rolling?
The car moves forward, gains momentum, and speeds up till it gets to the other side of the valley, but it can't go over, because of drag and efficiency losses,(water has drag too, it's a liquid, but far more than air) the car makes it about 3/4 the way up the other hill, and then rolls back down, backwards. then it gets about 1/3 of the way up the first hill, and rolls back, etc... till it comes to rest at the lowest point.
Where did all that energy go? It was lost to Dissipation.
In physics there are a bunch of technical names for energy laws, but all you really need to know is
1. You can never get more than you put in. 2. You can't break even 3. You're going to loose some energy in a given process that uses energy.
I was once told, you can't get more, you can't break even, and your gonna lose, just like at a cassino!
Waves disipate in a similar manner, if it hits a wall that motion will move sand and water around the bottom of the wall, curling in on itself, both above and beneath the surface. that motion disipates the energy of a wave.
I didn't mean to make fun of you, it's just that slashdot is usually full of physics geeks.
Lol, that is the funniest thing I have read on/. in a long long time.
What happens when a wave pounds the shore, and it's energy is disipated by the ground? What happens if we build a bulkhead? Or if a reef is there to block the waves?
Even if this energy didn't get wasted in the "in-out" wave motion, the earth is extremely large compared to the size of a whole coast of tidal generators.
Slashdot Mirror
Seeing as this is slashdot, I am really curious why this coment didn't "pop up" earlier...
Weird
Someone please mod this guy +1 funny!
I didn't know why it wasn't listed here either, and did the same thing!
I have it ripped as well. Great stuff to bump around town w/.
I never did understand what "thrill" people get from doing this. Do you have some valid knowledge? A point? Come on, next you'll be bitching about my english.
P.S. I went to publick skewl and i right ok.
The Killer Instinct Soundrack ROCKED!
I'd even have D Slow if I could. I just need low latency. Comcast wants damn near $50 a month for internet, anything else requires that i install a phone line(+$10 to any phone based service), which I don't need because I use Cell phones.
effed either way 8'(
Just to note my experience.
Playing renegade was GREAT. Looking at my screen while playing renegade sucked horribly.
Thanks
Greener as in from Evergreen State? No.
Greener as in have solar on my house? YES
Greener as in bad stereotype that says I should have Dreds and smell like patchuli (sp?) NO.
Nor do I do any drugs
I'd love some new referalls, it's that time of year when anyone can use an extra $ or two.
Was interested in why I got a troll on that too. Odd I must say, first one since what? 97? ten years? crazy.
I'd like to add a few things.
1. I charge $35/hr to people I know and friends, I charge $75/hr firm to others.
2. I look for crap data right off the bat! If I find offending material (pron, P2p, bonzi buddy), well, I know where the infection came from, and how to stop it from happening again.
a. If a wife directly asks me if her husband is looking at pron, I tell them that is a question for them not me!
(both before and after I get the pc.)
b. If I am asked to investigate a minor's computer I don't bill for the 2nd hour of searching for *.jpg, *.avi, *.mpg,
*.slt, *.sex, *.zip, and I give the parent a report of where all the stuff is located i.e C:\system\hidden\momdontlookhere\SuperhotMILFS and usually the kids have the best stuff. (at least w/ music)
3. If I find P2P software on grandma's computer I tell her that her grand children shouldn't use it when they come over, and explain why.
The fact is doing these searches early clearly tells me that 1. whether the user is being straight with me about thier situation 2. They are going to deny it if they are not. 3. Explain to them what life is like when your bank account is drained to $0.00, and why they need to clean up their computing "lifestyle" 4. That I can make serious money if I "make it go away" and tell them it's confidential, and that upon referral, I'll reduce my rate, and they will be a repeat customer!
Because when you fix these kind of mistakes professionally, people gain serious respect for you!
Lastly, when I do fix a bad spyware infection, it often takes far longer than what the customer will pay for. I let them know asap if this is going to be the case. Then, if I have to remove their computer from the site and do software repairs @ home, then a small copy of c:\windows\CD's I've ripped\noreally\sorryriaa\limewire\*.mp3 should be a friggin perk! Hell, I even ask if it's o.k., and 9 times out of 10 I get a yes, or "Sure, if you can fix it". (once a guy tried to tell me it was all legit, despite the fact that they had bit rates all over the place.)
Haven't seen anything good lately though. Anyone got a spyware infection in WA that needs a uh cough cough, inspection?
My point w/ all this is simply that it's extremely useful to find out how an infection gets on a computer, especially if they have a virus scanner and a firewall. BestBuy just wipes it clean and hands it back to you. Sometimes it comes back a little dirty on the outside though (ewwww)
good point, it is not wrong to say from your perspective the world is flat, but we know different now, and stating the world is flat would probably get you at least a few wierd looks...
I think from a users perspective it will be subjective based on how they cunduct themselves on the net. If you give every tom dick and harry your real@ddress.com your going to get an inbox full of offers to enlarge your wang, shrink your prostate, cure cancer, and find a bunch of long lost nigerian princes who need economic relief by giving you money to give them money back!.
First off, while I got my rear kicked a few times in school, I am the better for it. Looking back, I would not have it any other way. Now people move out of my way. (unless they are little old ladies for some reason they can't see a 6' stacked 260lb man)
Secondly, how bad did you leave your job? why was it on such bad terms that your worried about what they might comment? if you don't like a comment (at least on myspace) you can just delete it. If your ex coworkers are going to call you out, they are no longer your friends are they... DELETE THEM.
As far as the "true story", related to Burning Man, you have to be pretty dumb to publicize your "sketchy" or slightly off color habits / relationships that you don't want other people to know about without using an alias of some sort.
Rules for publishing to the net:
1. If you have something you don't think EVERYONE should have access to it, god forbid it gets close to the net.
2. Surely don't put it there yourself!
3. Lastly don't associate your "real" ID w/it if you do feel the need to show your dark side to anyone who might someday at least have a neighbor who owns a telephone and decides to get hooked to the tubes!
4. That last rule extends to your laptop, because wouldn't it suck if you took your laptop to the christmas party to show your coworkers digital pics when up pops your secret fetish about ********* or something even after you "tested" it @ home.
These rules are so obvious as to be bordering on obnoxios to even have to state it, but the necessity seems real.
For me, on my personal pages, I got nothing to hide. Some of the sketchy relationships I have I am not proud of, but they are relationships none the less, and I horde them because someday they might be useful (or at least add some fun to my funeral).Everyone who knows me well, knows my "/." alias so that they know the "real" me thoroughly. Besides it's derived from my BBS handle which grew suddenly out of politically correctness in the early '90s. Damn it when words take on two meanings, but I digress...
Thank You!
I have been looking to try 2k7 as I know businesses are now starting to migrate over. We just don't have it in the forcast yet due to several other large scale projects.
Even though a good portion of slashdot readers are m$ haters, we all know when we've been beat.
Outlook has been the industry standard in business for so long for a multitude of reasons. Including, but not limited to:
1. Everyone else uses it.
2. There is plenty of people to support it
3. When exchange server is up, it just works (see # 2)
4. The interface is familiar (Folder list looks like a standard directory tree), the Preview pane is handy
5. Almost any Pop3 service or ISP has instructions to set up outlook to work with email (and as a prior poster explained, outlooks supreme integration between e-mail and scheduling makes it easy to use)
There are just as many reasons why resource scheduling should be a target market and some of the reasons may also be a benefit to outlook. The #1's are the same, and while outlook has very advanced features, that can be torture to a new user who often doesn't get any kind of formal training.
Just to name a few reasons why someone would want to creat an "Outlook Killer":
1. Everyone uses it and therefore if you successfully overthrow M$, you will have a fair bit of $ or exposure on hand.
2. Search function is slow as molasses on a freezing cold day.
3. While customizeable it's not really "skin" able.
4. Advanced features can be overwhelming & you need a college level level course to understand the whole program, or be a techie who can figure it out (like most of us) but even then, you might use outlook to 1/2 it's potential.
5. Help files o.k., but an integrated tutorial would be nice.
6. Spam Filtering doesn't work so well.
This is not to look at office 2k7 because I haven't seen an office with it yet. If you use the "new" outlook, what are your impressions?
In conclusion there are a great many good things about outlook, I will publicly stand with you and say they did a good job of creating this application. Microsoft will probably hold on to this application in some evolving form as long as they are in the business of making software. Word, and powerpoint may not be so lucky...
To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
(a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:
`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism
`SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.
`For purposes of this subtitle:
`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.
`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.
`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.
`The Congress finds the following:
`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.
`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.
`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.
`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.
`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.
`(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.
`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.
`(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.
`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.
`SEC. 899C. NATIONAL CO
The dialup bbs has not gone away, just gone underground.
I call first turns on BRE, L.O.R.D., and Swords of Chaos, Usurper, etc..
Oblig Sov quip.
In Soviet Russia, The BBSs Call YOU!
I guess my point was more to the effect of why throw so much energy to an "anonymous" source?
I agree that the sticks and stones rule is junk, but if someone I don't know, who obviously doesn't know me, or just drew my name out of a hat full of politicians and started spouting off crap, I would assume it is a plant from an opposing party.
Slander happens all the time, and while wrong (I DO think it's wrong) If you put credit into all anonymous slander it's similar to fearing a terrorist attack, it just fuels the fire, then the slanderer wins.
Well, it seems that you got me like a prankster on April 1st.
I seriously thought that you were having trouble understanding me!
it has NO credibility? Why would this guy care if some anonymous jerk said that "he rapes any 5 year old he comes in contact with and kills kittens because he thinks it's cute?"
Unless more than a few minor anonymous sources indicate the same exact thing, it falls under the sticks and stones rule.
Words by people whom you don't know are worthless.
The generators by definition must take energy out of the 'tidal system'. The energy they take is not simply summoned out of the ether, nor is it energy that would otherwise 'do nothing' if it were left in the system.
Realize that you are implying that there is energy in the waves that currently goes nowhere. What does all that energy we hope to harness do now? Think, what is that energy doing now? It is there, has to be for us to harness it right? where does it go?
** homework assignment **
Seriously, (I am trying to help, as best I can.)explain that to me what you envision so I can help you understand this more. Think when you are at the beach. Use all your senses to describe what happens when a large wave washes up on shore. This will help you.
Tidal forces generate the energy from gravity, this is true, it is also on a MACRO scale extremely large. Even if it could affect the moon, a whole coastline would be insignifigant, but I digress. There is no change to mass on the earth, or energy in the system, you are just changing where the energy goes, instead of eroding a coastline, you are generating power.
Adding 100 generators does NOTHING DIFFERANT than having a bulkhead or a coastal cliff or a reef. Instead of the water traveling UP the cliff, or shore, or slowing through a reef, it pushes a small turbine back and forth.and the water goes back out. The same energy the tide had before the generator is used to go up the cliff, it doesnt "trap" the water for any signifigant period of time. Nor could we if we tried. Will it affect the earth? Yes locally to the generator only because you changed it's environment in such a way as placing a boulder in a river. That boulder can not affect how the force of water at it's source. The glacier still melts.
I probably don't know how to explain it in a way you would understand, except maybe to illustrate one other aspect of physics.
If it takes 100 pounds of force to start a large boulder in motion, and you exert 10 pounds of lateral force on that boulder, what happens to the earth below your feet? That energy has to go somewhere by your definition, but the only thing that moves is you, away from the rock. You pivot backwards. Does work happen? Yes, but not on the boulder.
It's the same thing with waves, right now, they don't wash up on shore and keep going. gravity holds them down to earth, and so they disipate it's energy by swashing around, and MOVING sand and water. (which is work, using the energy of waves) To harness that swashing energy, all you have to do is put a bouy on a rod w/ a dynamo in the middle, add a few diodes, and you have a generator..
I know what it's like to not have something explained to you properly when your curious, it's frustrating. I am not a scientist, but I play one on T.V. (just kidding about the T.V. part) I am sorry that I am unable to explain this to your satisfaction.
On the pendulum we spoke of earlier, once you push the pendulum into motion, anything you do to it afterwards has no effect on the initial pushing force. but only the actual pendulum itself. The earth and moon tidal lock is similar
I can't remember the name for this logical error, but it's common in 1st year physics. I too had a similar aguement, but my teacher explained it far better than what I am trying to do for you I guess. It has to do with where you look at the equation.
Really your taking a small box at the end of an equation and making changes that result in a net of 0 (add here and takeaway from there) and asking how it affects the whole equation.
Ohh, I just thought of it, and it uses your example of a hydro dam. The coast is basically shaped like a plane right? The tide comes up the plain right? All we are doing is adding a hydro dam on the shore, catching a small part of that water going out, sl
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I think the thing your missing is that the tidal generators are stationary, like the cliffs off the oregon coast, and are not adding energy to the equation, They don't take away that energy, just utilizing the energy that disipates from the oceans rise and fall. All that energy is contained ON Earth, and the mass stays (relatively) constant on earth, so the net effect is 0.
Delta = change
Delta Mass + Delta energy = 0
Their is no change of energy, your just utilizing energy that would have been wasted.
It just seems like your gaining (or losing) energy because we are putting it to good use, but really that energy would have been there wether we harnesed it or not. We see this as erosion, swelling of rivers during high tide, sand bars being created & destroyed, etc.
Lets go back to our car example, If you were to take that car at the top of the hill, and add a system (like the Toyota Prius) to generate electricity from the wheels, the only thing that changes in our example is that the car would not go as high up the other side, and might make fewer "swings". The car still ends up stoped in the middle, but now with a battery that is charged enough to hopefully drive up and out*!
*The batteries had a 1/3 charge to start with because a prius won't fully drain them, and thus thermodynamic laws in this example would be conserved.
The real thing you have to worry about is the environment of the area where the tidal generator exists. They do change their local ecosystem, and in oceans, that ecosystem can be delicate or robust based on many conditions.
The energy is disipated similarly to a pendulum (from what I remember, but there is an example to follow!)
This works because the water goes up the shoreline like a ramp, (or whatever object it hits) and cascades back down into another wave as it is going up or out.
Imagine a car going over the crest of a hill into a valley. If the valley was the same hieght on either side, what happens if you start at a complete stop on the top, and give the car a slight push to get it rolling?
The car moves forward, gains momentum, and speeds up till it gets to the other side of the valley, but it can't go over, because of drag and efficiency losses,(water has drag too, it's a liquid, but far more than air) the car makes it about 3/4 the way up the other hill, and then rolls back down, backwards. then it gets about 1/3 of the way up the first hill, and rolls back, etc... till it comes to rest at the lowest point.
Where did all that energy go? It was lost to Dissipation.
In physics there are a bunch of technical names for energy laws, but all you really need to know is
1. You can never get more than you put in.
2. You can't break even
3. You're going to loose some energy in a given process that uses energy.
I was once told, you can't get more, you can't break even, and your gonna lose, just like at a cassino!
Waves disipate in a similar manner, if it hits a wall that motion will move sand and water around the bottom of the wall, curling in on itself, both above and beneath the surface. that motion disipates the energy of a wave.
I didn't mean to make fun of you, it's just that slashdot is usually full of physics geeks.
Does all this make sense?
Lol, that is the funniest thing I have read on /. in a long long time.
What happens when a wave pounds the shore, and it's energy is disipated by the ground? What happens if we build a bulkhead? Or if a reef is there to block the waves?
Even if this energy didn't get wasted in the "in-out" wave motion, the earth is extremely large compared to the size of a whole coast of tidal generators.
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