The French has more solidarity with the Moroccan etc. than with the Polish etc. because they used to possess them for a while, glued their language around and let in masses of Muslims. The UK already has 30-40% of the city dwellers as people with background of Muslim and/or Arabic culture, yet they want to show the fig to the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians with whom the overlap in terms of European values and lifestyle is greater. The Flemish and Vallons live in tension under the same roof. The German, Austrian and Swiss look down on Eastern Europeans and doesn't socialize with them even though E-Europe is in large part genetically and culturally close to Germany/Austria, due to Germans settling en masse over the course of time, Austro-Hungarian monarchy. Some of the luckiest, most economically powerful countries are already absent from the integration (Switzerland, Norway, Brexit) or at least avoid common currency like the plague (DK, UK, SE). Due to mishandling economics and not supporting economic convergence well enough, even the newer EU members shy away from the Euro ( CZ, PL, HU) because they can't bear the risk of yet another global or European economic crisis where they can't devalue their own currency. 20% of Switzerland is of non-European origin, yet they don't just let in French or Czech to live there with equal rights to the Swiss.
Last, there's no such thing as European border control. What's the deal with that? Would be kind of obvious.
Looks like a lost cause. Pretty impossible to see how democracies - where the majority can vote in whatever - will not lead to Sharia Law, given that demographic processes point to more Muslim births than indigenous births for many W-European countries within a decade or two; shift in voting population bound to follow. So, conceivably in our life times, Sharia law will be adopted. It doesn't even need majority; the same way political parties pander to the retired population, they'll try to attract the liking of those who'd rather live a Northern African lifestyle in wealthy Europe rather than give up their medieval thinking. More and more concessions will be given. Heck, it already started in small ways, by schools in Denmark(?) no longer offering the local staple, pork, lest they offend the recently welcomed.
Some of UK's reasons for promoting Brexit are ridiculous, too: they have a problem with immigration from Eastern Europe. It's weird that they welcome the masses of the World yet are concerned about the Polish, when this is the last straw of hope of balancing out an ever more Muslim demography. There'll be a turning of the tables when English people want to live among like folks and buy real estate East of the border of the Caliphate of Western Europe (i.e. East of the Germany/Austria border).
Yes, the Roman empire was also powerful yet it was game over... now the issue is that Western Europe has become quite amenable to Sharia law, what with the fact that most newborns in a decade or two will be Muslim even as far East as Austria. The average French etc. feel more affinity and empathy toward their Islamic brethren from South of the Mediterranean than toward Hungarians, Romanians or Polish, they're used to them more. They're getting the payback of a backward medieval age populace. Democracy is such that majority vote decides on parliament, government or president, so Muslims after a couple of decades of already inevitable demography can simply vote Sharia law in power. I predict indigenous Western Europeans will buy property and land in Eastern Europe in droves, unless they're too geriatric for it or can establish private high-security pockets not unlike in South Africa.
> Intra-european border controls will have as much affect on home grown terrorists as they did on the IRA or RAF or ETA.
Don't forget that not all European nations made the mistake of letting in millions of people with a background in militant religion and difficulty of integration. If you close borders, its not like Polish etc. folks will go on and blow themselves up. It'll be contained by countries which already decided to turn themselves Muslim by letting in millions and letting nature take place, immigrating and breeding the original population out of existence (UK, France, Germany, I guess Belgium, and more recently Sweden, Denmark..). Statistically peaceful Muslim migrants come in, work hard... child, grandchild takes identity in their toxic religion and blow up the very people that welcomed their families.
> Again, it means nothing. It's all a load of bullshit, and Jews and Christians killed loads of people back when they could get away with it. The followers of Islam never really grew out of it for whatever reason so they're still beheading people for all sorts of imagined "crimes" against "god".
Yeah, quite a weird, backward thing. The trouble is, fewer and fewer idiot fanatics can do more and more damage. How do you control them? Make Islam illegal on a global scale, implemented via a global police state? Or individual monitoring of most aspects of most people's lives? The planet is getting smaller due to tech and getting more populous due to overbreeding so something has to give. Maybe religious freedom?
I agree, but the argument was related to religious text. Not everybody must believe in religion to give rise to terrorism. A minority is enough. Here, specifically, this minority is Muslim. The discussion we're participating started with the question of which religions encourage 'killing the infidel' to what extent. Again, you and I and billions may agree on religions being fairy tales, but there is a single, specific religion whose followers are quite consistently the ones blowing up others who are not followers of that religion, and incidentally, this given religion has quite specific instructions in their text for doing so. Correlation is not causation but still the p value would show significance...
> Somehow accounting for the fact that people won't have boarding passes.
The airport check-in is obsolete, I always have the boarding pass electronically before even arriving at the airport. The current flow of humans on airports isn't necessity; it's logistics. Overcrowded airports and wide open spaces are currently the norm but this can change. The problem is that mass city transport can't change easily. Think of London's busiest tube stations and railway stations in peak hours, it's literally thousands of people canned together at any given moment.
Nah, the problem is that they go for the obvious target: NYC, DC, Paris, Brussels... if instead of this, they wreak havoc and kill everyone in a random English village, or contaminate the water system of a random Czech or German town, then _everybody_ would feel threatened, because it could happen anywhere the next time. There would be quite a general response unlike what happened after Paris.
Don't take queues and buffered-up hundreds of people for granted. Would you buy groceries at a place where you'd need to queue for hours, among thousands of others? No. We don't accept shit conditions for certain things and we accept them for others. With sufficient technology it'll be possible to perform safety checks while the passenger is walking (ambient cameras, detectors etc.) and the manual groping part can be done on escalators etc. in transit. So in theory, all the time you spend at the airport is spent on the time just walking straight to your plane. It's a logistics problem. The Arabs will teach us some good logistics in no time.
Emphasis is on distance. All such statistics are distorted as one uses miles as the baseline. Don't forget that flying is not only safer per mile, it also enables millions to rack up amazing distances.
No need. GP just pointed out the possibility that some explosives, or components of explosives to be assembled on the airplane, may be carried on the body rather than in the carry-on luggage. Plain and simple.
Yeah we'll have to get used to such things in Europe as well. Sure beats the current, single-level choke point system, which is ineffective anyway as shown unmistakably.
Lol why is the need for queueing obvious? Air travel sucks. Maybe one reason it sucks is that it's one of those bottlenecked things with poorly managed logistics, that actually weren't designed for current paranoid operations anyway. Fscking eliminate the queues by.... proper resource management? Oh no, God forbid you can get from A to B without feeling like a cow...Queues are NOT some inherent part of travel, it's caused by mismanaged logistics.
> the Old Testament is still part of the bible. Those books are full of God commanding the Israelites to kill their enemies.
Interesting piece of knowledge, however Christians aren't Israelites AFAICT... Also as obvious from the quotes, the punishment 'ought to' be meted out on deserters of religion rather than those who were never believers. Whereas Muslims are kindly asked by religious text to kill everybody else.
Besides discounting Jesus on the basis that he 'almost certainly never existed' but taking God for granted, these quotes deal with deserters of the religion. To be honest I'm less concerned with Muslims blowing up ex-Muslims-turned-Jews/Christians than Muslims blowing up everybody else in general, if not for something else, because it's a smaller set, and Muslims aren't leaving behind their religion in droves for Christianity or Judaism.
> Not Jesus (who almost certainly never existed) but God himself says it
Jesus almost certainly never existed, but you take God's existence for granted? Btw. the GP said Jesus. Probably for a reason. For Christianty is not just the Old Testament; the Old Testament is the context and the New Testament is the main course.
You think the purpose of ISIS is to cause mass surveillance and profiling? Nah, none of these two things are at fundamental odds with Western values, comparatively. Letting a foreign culture mass immigrate, outbreed, resent, never integrate and moreover, mass murder and terrorize Europeans and in general, try to push Europe under Sharia law *is* at fundamental odds with Western values.
But terrorism scales well (in frequency, in severity and spatially) and also it's not just regrettable consequence of as yet unsuperseded technology like human drivers, but the very purpose of action is causing mass death and destroying Europe and Western values. So I'm in favor of stomping out these assholes whatever it takes, and once it's done work, we can go back all very liberals and unsupervised again.
> There's a fine line between passion and addiction which you likely crossed long ago. I won't even ask about work/life balance, because you don't have any, which is likely what all those who are "lacking" passion are doing; living their lives.
You anon certainly have a more than healthy amount of passion for telling other people how to spend their time.
How do you know he isn't learning skills and fluency in things that more or less directly applicable to his work? Assumptions... It is also possible that he got the job in the first place due to his former enthusiasm, amassed skill, or maybe a github or app store portfolio of things that his employer appreciated.
> Your "passion" sounds like a mental illness. You are a very shallow human being if that's all you do... Jesus Christ, just reading your post makes me want to go outside and hopefully not meet someone like you!
I'd pick the passionate one over the offensively judgmental one any time of the day.
> I've never found a woman coworker to be even half as passionate about technology and computers as I am. [..] > I've worked with a few that are that passionate, and they end up being published and respected like other men.
So which one is it? Maybe the passionate ones weren't coworkers, but clients, consultants etc.?
> You could probably ride on Big Dog and similar legged robots, but it wouldn't be very comfortable.
It would beat the riding experience compared to that of a wheeled vehicle on the type of surfaces it was designed for. And people riding Big Dogs would make cuter videos than people kicking them.
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The French has more solidarity with the Moroccan etc. than with the Polish etc. because they used to possess them for a while, glued their language around and let in masses of Muslims. The UK already has 30-40% of the city dwellers as people with background of Muslim and/or Arabic culture, yet they want to show the fig to the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians with whom the overlap in terms of European values and lifestyle is greater. The Flemish and Vallons live in tension under the same roof. The German, Austrian and Swiss look down on Eastern Europeans and doesn't socialize with them even though E-Europe is in large part genetically and culturally close to Germany/Austria, due to Germans settling en masse over the course of time, Austro-Hungarian monarchy. Some of the luckiest, most economically powerful countries are already absent from the integration (Switzerland, Norway, Brexit) or at least avoid common currency like the plague (DK, UK, SE). Due to mishandling economics and not supporting economic convergence well enough, even the newer EU members shy away from the Euro ( CZ, PL, HU) because they can't bear the risk of yet another global or European economic crisis where they can't devalue their own currency. 20% of Switzerland is of non-European origin, yet they don't just let in French or Czech to live there with equal rights to the Swiss.
Last, there's no such thing as European border control. What's the deal with that? Would be kind of obvious.
Looks like a lost cause. Pretty impossible to see how democracies - where the majority can vote in whatever - will not lead to Sharia Law, given that demographic processes point to more Muslim births than indigenous births for many W-European countries within a decade or two; shift in voting population bound to follow. So, conceivably in our life times, Sharia law will be adopted. It doesn't even need majority; the same way political parties pander to the retired population, they'll try to attract the liking of those who'd rather live a Northern African lifestyle in wealthy Europe rather than give up their medieval thinking. More and more concessions will be given. Heck, it already started in small ways, by schools in Denmark(?) no longer offering the local staple, pork, lest they offend the recently welcomed.
Some of UK's reasons for promoting Brexit are ridiculous, too: they have a problem with immigration from Eastern Europe. It's weird that they welcome the masses of the World yet are concerned about the Polish, when this is the last straw of hope of balancing out an ever more Muslim demography. There'll be a turning of the tables when English people want to live among like folks and buy real estate East of the border of the Caliphate of Western Europe (i.e. East of the Germany/Austria border).
Yes, the Roman empire was also powerful yet it was game over... now the issue is that Western Europe has become quite amenable to Sharia law, what with the fact that most newborns in a decade or two will be Muslim even as far East as Austria. The average French etc. feel more affinity and empathy toward their Islamic brethren from South of the Mediterranean than toward Hungarians, Romanians or Polish, they're used to them more. They're getting the payback of a backward medieval age populace. Democracy is such that majority vote decides on parliament, government or president, so Muslims after a couple of decades of already inevitable demography can simply vote Sharia law in power. I predict indigenous Western Europeans will buy property and land in Eastern Europe in droves, unless they're too geriatric for it or can establish private high-security pockets not unlike in South Africa.
> Intra-european border controls will have as much affect on home grown terrorists as they did on the IRA or RAF or ETA.
Don't forget that not all European nations made the mistake of letting in millions of people with a background in militant religion and difficulty of integration. If you close borders, its not like Polish etc. folks will go on and blow themselves up. It'll be contained by countries which already decided to turn themselves Muslim by letting in millions and letting nature take place, immigrating and breeding the original population out of existence (UK, France, Germany, I guess Belgium, and more recently Sweden, Denmark..). Statistically peaceful Muslim migrants come in, work hard... child, grandchild takes identity in their toxic religion and blow up the very people that welcomed their families.
> Again, it means nothing. It's all a load of bullshit, and Jews and Christians killed loads of people back when they could get away with it. The followers of Islam never really grew out of it for whatever reason so they're still beheading people for all sorts of imagined "crimes" against "god".
Yeah, quite a weird, backward thing. The trouble is, fewer and fewer idiot fanatics can do more and more damage. How do you control them? Make Islam illegal on a global scale, implemented via a global police state? Or individual monitoring of most aspects of most people's lives? The planet is getting smaller due to tech and getting more populous due to overbreeding so something has to give. Maybe religious freedom?
I agree, but the argument was related to religious text. Not everybody must believe in religion to give rise to terrorism. A minority is enough. Here, specifically, this minority is Muslim. The discussion we're participating started with the question of which religions encourage 'killing the infidel' to what extent. Again, you and I and billions may agree on religions being fairy tales, but there is a single, specific religion whose followers are quite consistently the ones blowing up others who are not followers of that religion, and incidentally, this given religion has quite specific instructions in their text for doing so. Correlation is not causation but still the p value would show significance...
> Somehow accounting for the fact that people won't have boarding passes.
The airport check-in is obsolete, I always have the boarding pass electronically before even arriving at the airport. The current flow of humans on airports isn't necessity; it's logistics. Overcrowded airports and wide open spaces are currently the norm but this can change. The problem is that mass city transport can't change easily. Think of London's busiest tube stations and railway stations in peak hours, it's literally thousands of people canned together at any given moment.
Nah, the problem is that they go for the obvious target: NYC, DC, Paris, Brussels... if instead of this, they wreak havoc and kill everyone in a random English village, or contaminate the water system of a random Czech or German town, then _everybody_ would feel threatened, because it could happen anywhere the next time. There would be quite a general response unlike what happened after Paris.
Don't take queues and buffered-up hundreds of people for granted. Would you buy groceries at a place where you'd need to queue for hours, among thousands of others? No. We don't accept shit conditions for certain things and we accept them for others. With sufficient technology it'll be possible to perform safety checks while the passenger is walking (ambient cameras, detectors etc.) and the manual groping part can be done on escalators etc. in transit. So in theory, all the time you spend at the airport is spent on the time just walking straight to your plane. It's a logistics problem. The Arabs will teach us some good logistics in no time.
Emphasis is on distance. All such statistics are distorted as one uses miles as the baseline. Don't forget that flying is not only safer per mile, it also enables millions to rack up amazing distances.
No need. GP just pointed out the possibility that some explosives, or components of explosives to be assembled on the airplane, may be carried on the body rather than in the carry-on luggage. Plain and simple.
Yeah we'll have to get used to such things in Europe as well. Sure beats the current, single-level choke point system, which is ineffective anyway as shown unmistakably.
Lol why is the need for queueing obvious? Air travel sucks. Maybe one reason it sucks is that it's one of those bottlenecked things with poorly managed logistics, that actually weren't designed for current paranoid operations anyway. Fscking eliminate the queues by.... proper resource management? Oh no, God forbid you can get from A to B without feeling like a cow...Queues are NOT some inherent part of travel, it's caused by mismanaged logistics.
> the Old Testament is still part of the bible. Those books are full of God commanding the Israelites to kill their enemies.
Interesting piece of knowledge, however Christians aren't Israelites AFAICT... Also as obvious from the quotes, the punishment 'ought to' be meted out on deserters of religion rather than those who were never believers. Whereas Muslims are kindly asked by religious text to kill everybody else.
Besides discounting Jesus on the basis that he 'almost certainly never existed' but taking God for granted, these quotes deal with deserters of the religion. To be honest I'm less concerned with Muslims blowing up ex-Muslims-turned-Jews/Christians than Muslims blowing up everybody else in general, if not for something else, because it's a smaller set, and Muslims aren't leaving behind their religion in droves for Christianity or Judaism.
> Not Jesus (who almost certainly never existed) but God himself says it
Jesus almost certainly never existed, but you take God's existence for granted? Btw. the GP said Jesus. Probably for a reason. For Christianty is not just the Old Testament; the Old Testament is the context and the New Testament is the main course.
You think the purpose of ISIS is to cause mass surveillance and profiling? Nah, none of these two things are at fundamental odds with Western values, comparatively. Letting a foreign culture mass immigrate, outbreed, resent, never integrate and moreover, mass murder and terrorize Europeans and in general, try to push Europe under Sharia law *is* at fundamental odds with Western values.
But terrorism scales well (in frequency, in severity and spatially) and also it's not just regrettable consequence of as yet unsuperseded technology like human drivers, but the very purpose of action is causing mass death and destroying Europe and Western values. So I'm in favor of stomping out these assholes whatever it takes, and once it's done work, we can go back all very liberals and unsupervised again.
$100 in NYC is cheap these days? I spent a lot of time in NYC hotels about 15yrs ago, it got you a nice hotel room, obviously with a bathroom
> There's a fine line between passion and addiction which you likely crossed long ago. I won't even ask about work/life balance, because you don't have any, which is likely what all those who are "lacking" passion are doing; living their lives.
You anon certainly have a more than healthy amount of passion for telling other people how to spend their time.
If you like labels, anon, I'm sure you took on a few others too, with this kind of seeing things black&white and being judgmental.
How do you know he isn't learning skills and fluency in things that more or less directly applicable to his work? Assumptions... It is also possible that he got the job in the first place due to his former enthusiasm, amassed skill, or maybe a github or app store portfolio of things that his employer appreciated.
> Your "passion" sounds like a mental illness. You are a very shallow human being if that's all you do... Jesus Christ, just reading your post makes me want to go outside and hopefully not meet someone like you!
I'd pick the passionate one over the offensively judgmental one any time of the day.
> I've never found a woman coworker to be even half as passionate about technology and computers as I am.
[..]
> I've worked with a few that are that passionate, and they end up being published and respected like other men.
So which one is it? Maybe the passionate ones weren't coworkers, but clients, consultants etc.?
> You could probably ride on Big Dog and similar legged robots, but it wouldn't be very comfortable.
It would beat the riding experience compared to that of a wheeled vehicle on the type of surfaces it was designed for. And people riding Big Dogs would make cuter videos than people kicking them.