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Not only that but owning EA means they get all of those lucrative exclusive sports titles with it, I can see them possibly using this as leverage against Microsoft's XBox360, Since OS X, Linux, Windows, PS3 and Wii all support openGL and openal as well as other open programing standards apple could easily release across everything but the 360, putting a major dent in microsoft's plans.
Last I checked the whole thing. Wolfenstein 3d was the great grand pappy of all FPS games, they did a reimagining of the series with return to castle wolfenstein, to which enemy territory was to be an expansion. it didn't do as well as expected so the enemy territiry expansion was just released as freeware for online play only, no single player storyline mode.
The original Castle Wolfenstein was a 2d game for the Apple IIe.
the servers are all ranked, if you suck you can get in on games you actually stand a chance in. If you pwn you get games where you are actually going to be challenged in.
yeah, but this is basically a tricked out Quake 3 Arena, a game that has had native Mac and Linux ports forever.
What you also have to remember is that ID only has like what, 50 people total in the company, and most of those are devoted to making Doom 4, not to this grand little experiment of selling ads in souped up browser games. They've already stated that if it catches on they'll be doing Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory.
What sucks is that this method gets too powerful it may be the only way to play any future releases online.
Something with South bridge 750, so ether a 790GX or one of the newer 790FX/SB750 mobos, the earlier models had SB600, and don't overclock as well and lack a few features that SB750 added like Advanced Clock Control.
I'm personally looking at this Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131339 , though the DFI 790FX/SB750 also looks good.
The Gigabyte DS4 seems to have mixed results though, while AMD used it for their demos to get the Phenom 2 to 6.2Ghz on LN2 others have had trouble with it in over volting stability, Which is kind of important since if I remember right AMD said that the Phenom 2 is rated safe to overvolt by them up to 1.55v.
Most of the overclocking forums are already geared up in anticipation, if you plan on clocking it, take a look http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=591256
Here's to hoping I can afford to build out an all new box for Phenom 2 4-4.5Ghz on water, 8Gb of DDR2 1066 or better and an HD4870 1Gb, maybe one of those nice new XFX made black PCB ones, and see if I can get that up to 860Mhz Core/4.8Ghz ram on the water as well. Hello HD video editing, gaming and running 6 OSs in VMware at the same time without slowdowns.
Yeah, it sucks they haven't released everything up to 9.2.2, since they haven't even supported it. Even more retarded is that they haven't sourced any of it, sure they still use quicktime, but if they sourced the rest of the stuff that has gone completely defunct it wouldn't be as hard to just build those replacement parts, instead of starting the whole thing from scratch, I'd love to see a community remake of A/UX using parts of OS 9.
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/
Same could also be said for BeOS, Amiga and OS/2, having them at least partially sourced would be quite interesting.
I keep seeing sentiments like this on the Phoronix forums and elsewere, italways seems to e Nvidia Zealotry, at least AMD is releasing docs for their older hardware, and has done allot to make the Catalist drivers actually work since they bought ATI.
What has Nvdia done? Any docs released beyond the bare minimum for newcards to just get basic 2d in Nouveau and now this which as has been stated is already going on AMD/ATI cards.
How long will it be till they release any docs for their long discontinued hardware? even as crap as ATI's drivers where they did release docs for the R200 series and under cards, yet I still need the Nvidia binary blob to get the now ancient Riva TNT2 M64 in my mom's Ubuntu web browser comp, let alone my 3+ year old Gforce 6200.
Color me unimpressed with this latest release from Nvidia, they're the ones falling behind from their once defacto standard. the open source drivers may suck at this time, but at least they're being fed documentation , which is more then you can say for Nvidia.
Now if only Intel would release a decently powerful GPU card while holding their consistency of releasing docs and code to x.org.
Last I checked Nvidia did, but a single AMD HD4870 1Gb is quite powerful, and one of the few cards that does get a boost from the added ram, http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-1024mb-review/8 I don't know what the OC cap is though on the 1Gb version though, since I've seen the 512 go as high as 4.8Ghz, though 4.4Ghz is what most get stable at.
the 4870X2 at release didn't have support for any of the open source games, I don't know the current drivers support though.
I dunno about the Nvidia 9800GX2 though. But ether way I can't see the point in going multicard when one card can do the job for less cash, power and heat, since I've never seen where a dual card can get 2x performance, it only makes sense at 2560x1600 with everything turned up using cards in the top 2-3 models from either Nvidia or AMD to make it worth it, since often the slower cards can be outperformed by a single top of the line.
ndiswrapper's GUI thingy is a good example of this: you can install some GTK app and click a few buttons to install an NDIS driver, or you can type "ndiswrapper -i 'path to file.inf'".
But there lies the problem, while this would have been a given to you, it would have taken someone coming from Windows or Macs allot of googling to find this same information because there isn't a direct install driver for their wireless card in Linux. The one thing many learn as soon as they install Ubuntu though is to hit the Add/Remove programs app, which also directs them to full synaptic if they wan more then the most recommended apps. But his allows them to look up terms like "wifi" or "driver" and see what comes up for an easy way to install it. Without this the unwashed masses using Ubuntu would be clueless as to what magic command to type into the term and would probably ask yet more redundant question on some forums, which in most places gets you replied "RTFM n00b" instead of at least pointing them in the right direction.
I know this because I've ha issues like this, I came from running Windows and Mac OS to Ubuntu Studio / Mac OS X, Ubuntu I've been using since 05.04 and have watched it get easier and more intuitive with each release. My only gripe with linux now is the lack of good native games, but AMD releasing their 3d specs and Valve porting Steam may fix this within a year or 2.
I'd say bare minimum go with the 8500GT w/ 128 bit memory path and GDDR3 memory, I've used a few of the ones there from MSI and taken them up to 720MHz core, 1470Ram, they get respectable FPS in older games and current games on low to medium settings, keep in mind tho that the bade 8500GT uses only 64bit GDDR2 memory clocked at 600Mhz with a core clock of only 450Mhz, so even with over clocking a base model card's core to 720Mhz the slower memory and narrower bit path will hold you back. You can't add different ram or widen the memory path on your own. next step would either be an 8600GT GDDR3, beware the GDDR2 models still floating around, the 8600GT's have 32 stream processors compared to the 85's 16, theres a few with some nice after market coolers already mounted on them, I even saw a few with dual slot rear exhausting coolers so that most of the heat can be directly vented from the case instead of recirculated in the case. Alternatively, the 7600GT, while now kind of rare is around as fast or faster then the 8600GT and in some cases the 8600GTS, the 8600GTS is pretty much an over clocked 8600GT.
The next step there would be either something like the old 7900GS which is as fast or usually a little faster then the 8600GTS, but is also getting quite rare, leaving the 9600GT, which as another stated gets good performance but the dipping to only 15FPS sounds like more of a limitation of his Internet connection then a limitation of the card. The next up is the 9600GT and will wipes and for not much more then that usually you will find the 8800GT, which is pretty much were any benefits at 1280x1024 ceases to matter much for anything save Crysis, which I think is more a problem of a shittly designed game then the fault of the hardware, since with a machine pushing a $1000 CPU, 8Gb of ram and around a grand worth of GPUs linked together in SLI/Crossfire can barely pull 30FPS at something like 1600x1200, when you compare that to the previous gen's "ultimate torture test title" of Oblivion that only had trouble doing that outdoors.
If you're running AGP then your options are limited, the fastest Nvidia card was the 7950GT if I remember right but the fastest possible card is the recently released AMD HD3850 which can hold it's own very nicely in most games.
Heres a selection of various cards I'd go for for various reasons http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=2010380048%201305520548%201068409614&OEMMark=1%2C0&PropertyCodeValue=3055%3A20548%2C685%3A9618%2C685%3A9619%2C685%3A37188%2C684%3A9614&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16814127295%2CN82E16814127306%2CN82E16814127284%2CN82E16814130332%2CN82E16814150276%2CN82E16814127329%2CN82E16814127325
The difference between card manufacturers isn't usually that big a deal, but some stand out, MSI is trying to make a name for themselves so are adding after market coolers to most cards they offer as well as ship them with a small over clock, most companies do this though, but it just seems to me that MSI is picking better coolers this time around from most other makers.
EVGA has, last I checked, a step up program, which gives you the option that if a new card model is released within 90 days of your purchase you can upgrade for the difference if any in price, but I don't know if this applies to all cards. Which may or may not matter with rumors of new low and mid range Nvidia cards being released soon, so you could go with an 8500GT now and if a newer, faster card (E.G. a 9500GT)is released for only about $5 more then you paid EVGA should hook you up.
The last one which I don't think I picked cards from because I don't know if this is true is BFG, I've heard th
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Not only that but owning EA means they get all of those lucrative exclusive sports titles with it, I can see them possibly using this as leverage against Microsoft's XBox360, Since OS X, Linux, Windows, PS3 and Wii all support openGL and openal as well as other open programing standards apple could easily release across everything but the 360, putting a major dent in microsoft's plans.
Last I checked the whole thing. Wolfenstein 3d was the great grand pappy of all FPS games, they did a reimagining of the series with return to castle wolfenstein, to which enemy territory was to be an expansion. it didn't do as well as expected so the enemy territiry expansion was just released as freeware for online play only, no single player storyline mode. The original Castle Wolfenstein was a 2d game for the Apple IIe.
the servers are all ranked, if you suck you can get in on games you actually stand a chance in. If you pwn you get games where you are actually going to be challenged in.
simple, gang up on the guy with the quad, so what it's ffa, I've killed the quad holder plenty of times.
yeah, but this is basically a tricked out Quake 3 Arena, a game that has had native Mac and Linux ports forever. What you also have to remember is that ID only has like what, 50 people total in the company, and most of those are devoted to making Doom 4, not to this grand little experiment of selling ads in souped up browser games. They've already stated that if it catches on they'll be doing Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. What sucks is that this method gets too powerful it may be the only way to play any future releases online.
Ok, why does the quick reply keep eating my returns?
Something with South bridge 750, so ether a 790GX or one of the newer 790FX/SB750 mobos, the earlier models had SB600, and don't overclock as well and lack a few features that SB750 added like Advanced Clock Control. I'm personally looking at this Asus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131339 , though the DFI 790FX/SB750 also looks good. The Gigabyte DS4 seems to have mixed results though, while AMD used it for their demos to get the Phenom 2 to 6.2Ghz on LN2 others have had trouble with it in over volting stability, Which is kind of important since if I remember right AMD said that the Phenom 2 is rated safe to overvolt by them up to 1.55v. Most of the overclocking forums are already geared up in anticipation, if you plan on clocking it, take a look http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=591256 Here's to hoping I can afford to build out an all new box for Phenom 2 4-4.5Ghz on water, 8Gb of DDR2 1066 or better and an HD4870 1Gb, maybe one of those nice new XFX made black PCB ones, and see if I can get that up to 860Mhz Core/4.8Ghz ram on the water as well. Hello HD video editing, gaming and running 6 OSs in VMware at the same time without slowdowns.
Yeah, it sucks they haven't released everything up to 9.2.2, since they haven't even supported it. Even more retarded is that they haven't sourced any of it, sure they still use quicktime, but if they sourced the rest of the stuff that has gone completely defunct it wouldn't be as hard to just build those replacement parts, instead of starting the whole thing from scratch, I'd love to see a community remake of A/UX using parts of OS 9. http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/ Same could also be said for BeOS, Amiga and OS/2, having them at least partially sourced would be quite interesting.
I keep seeing sentiments like this on the Phoronix forums and elsewere, italways seems to e Nvidia Zealotry, at least AMD is releasing docs for their older hardware, and has done allot to make the Catalist drivers actually work since they bought ATI. What has Nvdia done? Any docs released beyond the bare minimum for newcards to just get basic 2d in Nouveau and now this which as has been stated is already going on AMD/ATI cards. How long will it be till they release any docs for their long discontinued hardware? even as crap as ATI's drivers where they did release docs for the R200 series and under cards, yet I still need the Nvidia binary blob to get the now ancient Riva TNT2 M64 in my mom's Ubuntu web browser comp, let alone my 3+ year old Gforce 6200. Color me unimpressed with this latest release from Nvidia, they're the ones falling behind from their once defacto standard. the open source drivers may suck at this time, but at least they're being fed documentation , which is more then you can say for Nvidia. Now if only Intel would release a decently powerful GPU card while holding their consistency of releasing docs and code to x.org.
Last I checked Nvidia did, but a single AMD HD4870 1Gb is quite powerful, and one of the few cards that does get a boost from the added ram, http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-ati-radeon-hd-4870-1024mb-review/8 I don't know what the OC cap is though on the 1Gb version though, since I've seen the 512 go as high as 4.8Ghz, though 4.4Ghz is what most get stable at. the 4870X2 at release didn't have support for any of the open source games, I don't know the current drivers support though. I dunno about the Nvidia 9800GX2 though. But ether way I can't see the point in going multicard when one card can do the job for less cash, power and heat, since I've never seen where a dual card can get 2x performance, it only makes sense at 2560x1600 with everything turned up using cards in the top 2-3 models from either Nvidia or AMD to make it worth it, since often the slower cards can be outperformed by a single top of the line.
I'd say bare minimum go with the 8500GT w/ 128 bit memory path and GDDR3 memory, I've used a few of the ones there from MSI and taken them up to 720MHz core, 1470Ram, they get respectable FPS in older games and current games on low to medium settings, keep in mind tho that the bade 8500GT uses only 64bit GDDR2 memory clocked at 600Mhz with a core clock of only 450Mhz, so even with over clocking a base model card's core to 720Mhz the slower memory and narrower bit path will hold you back. You can't add different ram or widen the memory path on your own. next step would either be an 8600GT GDDR3, beware the GDDR2 models still floating around, the 8600GT's have 32 stream processors compared to the 85's 16, theres a few with some nice after market coolers already mounted on them, I even saw a few with dual slot rear exhausting coolers so that most of the heat can be directly vented from the case instead of recirculated in the case. Alternatively, the 7600GT, while now kind of rare is around as fast or faster then the 8600GT and in some cases the 8600GTS, the 8600GTS is pretty much an over clocked 8600GT. The next step there would be either something like the old 7900GS which is as fast or usually a little faster then the 8600GTS, but is also getting quite rare, leaving the 9600GT, which as another stated gets good performance but the dipping to only 15FPS sounds like more of a limitation of his Internet connection then a limitation of the card. The next up is the 9600GT and will wipes and for not much more then that usually you will find the 8800GT, which is pretty much were any benefits at 1280x1024 ceases to matter much for anything save Crysis, which I think is more a problem of a shittly designed game then the fault of the hardware, since with a machine pushing a $1000 CPU, 8Gb of ram and around a grand worth of GPUs linked together in SLI/Crossfire can barely pull 30FPS at something like 1600x1200, when you compare that to the previous gen's "ultimate torture test title" of Oblivion that only had trouble doing that outdoors. If you're running AGP then your options are limited, the fastest Nvidia card was the 7950GT if I remember right but the fastest possible card is the recently released AMD HD3850 which can hold it's own very nicely in most games. Heres a selection of various cards I'd go for for various reasons http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=Property&N=2010380048%201305520548%201068409614&OEMMark=1%2C0&PropertyCodeValue=3055%3A20548%2C685%3A9618%2C685%3A9619%2C685%3A37188%2C684%3A9614&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16814127295%2CN82E16814127306%2CN82E16814127284%2CN82E16814130332%2CN82E16814150276%2CN82E16814127329%2CN82E16814127325 The difference between card manufacturers isn't usually that big a deal, but some stand out, MSI is trying to make a name for themselves so are adding after market coolers to most cards they offer as well as ship them with a small over clock, most companies do this though, but it just seems to me that MSI is picking better coolers this time around from most other makers. EVGA has, last I checked, a step up program, which gives you the option that if a new card model is released within 90 days of your purchase you can upgrade for the difference if any in price, but I don't know if this applies to all cards. Which may or may not matter with rumors of new low and mid range Nvidia cards being released soon, so you could go with an 8500GT now and if a newer, faster card (E.G. a 9500GT)is released for only about $5 more then you paid EVGA should hook you up. The last one which I don't think I picked cards from because I don't know if this is true is BFG, I've heard th