Using an unsecured wifi is more like depositing mail in their unlocked mailbox to be picked up by the postman. (Not stealing their mail)
Still stupid. Because if the owner of the mailbox takes your mail out, reads it, then throws it away before it gets sent you've got no one else to blame but yourself.
The person who owns the wifi owns you and you put yourself at the mercy of that person. There is plenty of instructions on how to do just that ( as was previously pointed out with Upside-Down-Ternet ). So, in regards to the stance "If you leave it open and people use it, that's not stealing.", my reply is this: "If you give them your online bank credentials and they clean out your accounts, that's not stealing either."
A: Ehhhhhhh? -- "What's that?" B: Are -- as in "Be ye ready to surrender?" C: Si! -- To a Spanish pirate, "Yes!" E: Eeeeee! -- "Maaaaaaaaybe . . . " I: Aye -- "Yes!" L: 'Ell -- A destination, as in, "To L with you, matey!" O: Oh! -- "Oh!" Q: Queue -- A sailor's pigtail, usually tarred. R: Arrrrrr! -- A general expression of glee. T: Tea -- A very inferior substitute for grog. Y: Why? -- To be said in a grumpy voice when the cap'n gives an order. Z: Zee -- To a French pirate, "the."
As one of the writers of Haven & Hearth, I have to disagree. The reason me and my friend wanted to write the game is that we wanted a world where the actions that players can perform actually have an impact on the world itself, rather than just another theme park where you can just enjoy yourself withing the very strict frame set by the authors of the game; and those of our current players that seem to enjoy the game the most seem to agree with that. It leads naturally to a game world where the emergent phenomena become the most defining feature of the world, rather than the mechanics that we, as the game authors, build into it. The coolest thing about the world, if I may say so myself, is that there isn't a single structure in the world that hasn't been built by the players themselves.
I applaud and even agree with your effort, but you walk a dangerous road. Read the following about a similar effort and what happened if you haven't already. Maybe you can avoid the mistakes they made.
World PVP was, you are mining that node, I want that node, we fight for it. Or me and my buddy are killing boars for a quest, you are your buddy are killing boars for a quest, it'd be a lot easier if you didn't exist, perhaps we fight for it.
No. Not on a 5 to 2 Alliance to Horde ratio server. It's fun at first. Someone on the Alliance side thinks "Hey, I'm bored. Lets attack the Crossroads!" we fight, have some fun, each side goes on their merry way. We try to pick up questing again but about that time, a new group of Alliance players have logged on and come to the remarkable conclusion of "Hey, I'm bored. Lets attack the Crossroads!"...
Blizzard could have probably save a whole bunch of network traffic by simply adding the following code for anyone who was playing Horde on our server.
while ( true ) {
if ( echo_world_defense )
print "Crossroads is under attack!\n";
sleep( 5 ); }
The Crossroads was a major questing hub for horde so, yeah, you are your buddy have finished killing boars for a quest. Now you've got to wait for the last wave of Alliance to clear out so you can turn in. Or hope there are some level 60s on who haven't turned off world defense. If you're lucky, maybe you can turn in a quest or two before they gank the quest givers again. Heck, one group was even nice to me and let me turn in quests, then ganked them.
Or say "F this!" and roll Alliance like most players did and contributed to the imbalance in faction ratio.
I've tried. CodeBuster pretty much echoes my brother. I've backed my brother into the corner with the hard numbers as well or pointed out that his argument against one candidate applied equally to the one he supported. What happened? A smug, dismissive reply and when pressed further, a change of topic.
In a week CodeBuster, very much like my brother did, will forget this argument. It will not have happened. They will repeat the very same position again and again. Statements and "facts" will be put forth but with no supporting data. It's no longer an argument based on reason and data but a reenforcement of a belief system and their faith.
The Obama administration has failed and we are paying for their failure. The Dems don't understand business and the private sector; they don't understand what actually generates wealth in this country
Yet somehow...
the fact that Wall Street went to Washington for their bailouts demonstrates that the government is still master of the money supply; the source from which all credit flows.
Yep, same person. Maybe it's me just getting older and noticing it more but what I've been seeing more and more is politics becoming a person's religion.
You're welcome. To explain further and give those numbers better meaning.
Infant Mortality Rate - The number of deaths of infants under 1 year of age from a cohort of 1,000 live births. Denoted 1q0 or IMR, it is the probability of dying between birth and exact age 1.
Life expectancy at birth. - The average number of years a group of people born in the same year can be expected to live if mortality at each age remains constant in the future.
The goal here is an irrational rant. Preferably in wall-of-text format. Why bother actually forming an informed opinion when we can spume and froth at the mouth and work up a good outrage?
So please, quit confusing the issue with stuff like "facts" and "details" like the following.
Infant Mortality Rate and Life Expectancy, by Sex: Canada Year: 2010 IMR Both Sexes: 4.99 IMR Male: 5.34 IMR Female: 4.63 Life expectancy both sexes: 81.29 Life expectancy male: 78.72 Life expectancy female: 84.00
Infant Mortality Rate and Life Expectancy, by Sex: United States Year: 2010 IMR Both Sexes: 6.14 IMR Male: 6.81 IMR Female: 5.44 Life expectancy both sexes: 78.24 Life expectancy male: 75.78 Life expectancy female: 80.81
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, International Data Base.
United States - Latest Data Used in the Estimates and Projections Reference years: 2007 Data source: vital registration Data collection years: 2007 Notes: Preliminary data on total registered deaths. Citation: National Center for Health Statistics. 2008. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_21.pdf.
Canada - Latest Data Used in the Estimates and Projections Reference years: 2004 Data source: vital registration Data collection years: 2004 Notes: Registered deaths by age and sex. Citation: Statistics Canada. 2006. Annual Demographic Statistics: 2005. Ottawa.
Note: Infant deaths are approximated as IMR times births in the year and may not add to totals due to rounding.
U.S. data are based on official estimates and projections. Population estimates for 1950-1999 are based on the resident population plus the armed forces overseas. Population estimates for 2000-2008 are for the resident population and are based on Census 2000. Population data in the IDB for 2009-2050 are projections of the resident population. The U.S. population components shown in the IDB for 2000-2050 may not match the official population components for the United States, due to differences in how they are displayed (calendar year versus midyear estimates). Revised official population estimates are released each year (see http://www.census.gov/popest/). Therefore, the U.S. population estimates (official compared with IDB) may not match due to differences in the timing of their releases.
My point was directed more at the topic of the parent post. That of the reaction of the school mentioned arresting a girl for drawing on a desk with an erasable marker and a similar response of the school in the original story making a claim that school property was damaged... by the tape.
I think this idea could work for on land algae farms as well.
WTOP mentioned that the Obama administration is pushing for more Nuke plants. With this and the current topic in mind, the hot water in the discharge canal was actually passed through 3 cooling ponds before being released into the lake proper so the lake wouldn't suffer from algae blooms.
With proper planning, that's several acres of land algae farms that could be favorable to extremophiles. So in addition to being a viable "green" electrical energy source, the thermal waste could be used to produce biogasoline.
So while you'd be talking about a lot of ocean, you certainly aren't using all of it.
I would also like to point out this calculation is based on the premise of replacing 100% of the petroleum fuel used by the U.S. with ocean grown algae as the only source of biomass for bio-fuel production.
Do you want to harvest existing algae -- the basis of most marine food chains -- or fertilize to create new algae, with possible downstream consequences?
If you think runoff from land-based farms is bad... the ocean is *all* runoff. If farming the oceans is done, it needs to be approached very slowly and carefully.
I don't see it happening within the next 10 years. But rather than a chemical fertilizer, I was thinking of thermal waste from an at sea data centers being used to promote algae growth.
Algae was a problem that plagued the nuclear plant I worked at. The plant used a man-made 14 acre lake for cooling. With warm water in the discharge canal year round, the Algae choked the life out of everything except for the catfish in the canal.
For an at sea data center the battle against algae growth will be a never ending battle just like it was at the Nuke Plant for the same reason. Thermal waste. Maybe not as bad, but still there. Rather than fight it, build into the system methods to cultivate and farm it.
The amount of algae growth required for powering America's fleet of vehicles would cover every ocean and kill every single fish on the planet.
Land-based farms require pumping water, maintenance, energy, etc. If you build them in the desert, you suffer horrendous water losses. If you build them near the ocean, you encroach on livable and arable land.
This conclusion is supported by.... what? Do you have a verifiable source of data that will support this claim? Something other than a link to a website that says...
Studies have shown the amount of algae growth required for powering America's fleet of vehicles would cover every ocean and kill every single fish on the planet.
What studies? Who preformed them? What methods did they use? How did they qualify the data? etc.. I'll happily read any data source you reply with but don't expect me to do the legwork to support your position.
What about algae farms on the ocean? Seaweed farms? Who says the biomass has to come from corn or any other land based crop? The farms could be right next to the data centers.
The young take the world as they see it and learn from it, adults try to use it productively, and elders warn people about observed and potential dangers.
and ignorance...
The young think they know everything and the older generations are out of touch. The adults think they know everything. The older generation is out of touch and the younger generation is inexperienced. The elders think they know everything and the younger generations are inexperienced.
So I'm confused.. is he right, or wrong? Because you SEEM to be arguing he's wrong, but you want him held to that standard..
okay, I get the hypocrisy angle, but has it occured to you that maybe he's had his eyes open by his own experiences with it and maybe sees it differently now?
If what you suggest were true, if he has had his eyes open by his own experiences and sees it differently, then there should be no difficulty in him apologizing. Now if it isn't true, if his eyes are still closed even after his own personal experience, then all that's there is an oblivious hypocrite who finds apologizing difficult because of the contradiction. Apparently, it seems the case may be the later of the two.
If this cognitive dissonance is by choice or by ignorance doesn't matter to me. A firm opinion is good. It test's the opposing opinion's strength and exposes it's weaknesses but an immutable opinion is the realm of faith and religion and should not be applied to politics and/or a political party's platform least the Pundits become Priests.
So you're saying he should not regret breaking the law? Even after he breaks the plea-bargain he made with the prosecutor? Instead we should be understanding of a drug smuggler's plight and be lenient?
Tell me, what political party is he a pundit for and what is their stance on the actions you propose? I can tell you what Rush Limbaugh suggested.
"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." -- Rush Limbaugh 1995
That day, Palpatine was amazed to discover that when Vader was saying "As you wish", what he meant was, "I love you." And even more amazing was the day he realized he truly loved him back.
( Just burning off some real karma with this one )
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Add this.
"NOTE: This software has reached it's end of life and will no longer be supported."
If you want to tidy up one last time.
Assuming MySQL, use "mysql_real_escape_string" (PHP 4 >= 4.3.0, PHP 5) takes into account the character set of the connection.
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-real-escape-string.php
Then something like:
// Reverse magic_quotes_gpc/magic_quotes_sybase effects on those vars if ON.
if ( get_magic_quotes_gpc() )
{
$product_name = stripslashes($_POST['product_name']);
$product_description = stripslashes($_POST['product_description']);
} else {
$product_name = $_POST['product_name'];
$product_description = $_POST['product_description'];
}
$query = sprintf("INSERT INTO products (`name`, `description`, `user_id`) VALUES ('%s', '%s', '%d')",
mysql_real_escape_string($product_name, $link),
mysql_real_escape_string($product_description, $link),
$_POST['user_id'] );
Using an unsecured wifi is more like depositing mail in their unlocked mailbox to be picked up by the postman. (Not stealing their mail)
Still stupid. Because if the owner of the mailbox takes your mail out, reads it, then throws it away before it gets sent you've got no one else to blame but yourself.
The person who owns the wifi owns you and you put yourself at the mercy of that person. There is plenty of instructions on how to do just that ( as was previously pointed out with Upside-Down-Ternet ). So, in regards to the stance "If you leave it open and people use it, that's not stealing.", my reply is this: "If you give them your online bank credentials and they clean out your accounts, that's not stealing either."
Sounds like the planet has the green microbial splatters.
Once more, from the top.
The Pirate Alphabet
A: Ehhhhhhh? -- "What's that?"
B: Are -- as in "Be ye ready to surrender?"
C: Si! -- To a Spanish pirate, "Yes!"
E: Eeeeee! -- "Maaaaaaaaybe . . . "
I: Aye -- "Yes!"
L: 'Ell -- A destination, as in, "To L with you, matey!"
O: Oh! -- "Oh!"
Q: Queue -- A sailor's pigtail, usually tarred.
R: Arrrrrr! -- A general expression of glee.
T: Tea -- A very inferior substitute for grog.
Y: Why? -- To be said in a grumpy voice when the cap'n gives an order.
Z: Zee -- To a French pirate, "the."
TL;DRPTFBP
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TLDR
Well, if you strip away the self-important tone of TFA, it boils down to this:
The confession and semi-apology wouldn't exist if he had not been outed.
As one of the writers of Haven & Hearth, I have to disagree. The reason me and my friend wanted to write the game is that we wanted a world where the actions that players can perform actually have an impact on the world itself, rather than just another theme park where you can just enjoy yourself withing the very strict frame set by the authors of the game; and those of our current players that seem to enjoy the game the most seem to agree with that. It leads naturally to a game world where the emergent phenomena become the most defining feature of the world, rather than the mechanics that we, as the game authors, build into it. The coolest thing about the world, if I may say so myself, is that there isn't a single structure in the world that hasn't been built by the players themselves.
I applaud and even agree with your effort, but you walk a dangerous road. Read the following about a similar effort and what happened if you haven't already. Maybe you can avoid the mistakes they made.
War of the Jessie Wall
World PVP was, you are mining that node, I want that node, we fight for it. Or me and my buddy are killing boars for a quest, you are your buddy are killing boars for a quest, it'd be a lot easier if you didn't exist, perhaps we fight for it.
No. Not on a 5 to 2 Alliance to Horde ratio server. It's fun at first. Someone on the Alliance side thinks "Hey, I'm bored. Lets attack the Crossroads!" we fight, have some fun, each side goes on their merry way. We try to pick up questing again but about that time, a new group of Alliance players have logged on and come to the remarkable conclusion of "Hey, I'm bored. Lets attack the Crossroads!"...
Blizzard could have probably save a whole bunch of network traffic by simply adding the following code for anyone who was playing Horde on our server.
while ( true )
{
if ( echo_world_defense )
print "Crossroads is under attack!\n";
sleep( 5 );
}
The Crossroads was a major questing hub for horde so, yeah, you are your buddy have finished killing boars for a quest. Now you've got to wait for the last wave of Alliance to clear out so you can turn in. Or hope there are some level 60s on who haven't turned off world defense. If you're lucky, maybe you can turn in a quest or two before they gank the quest givers again. Heck, one group was even nice to me and let me turn in quests, then ganked them.
Or say "F this!" and roll Alliance like most players did and contributed to the imbalance in faction ratio.
I've tried. CodeBuster pretty much echoes my brother. I've backed my brother into the corner with the hard numbers as well or pointed out that his argument against one candidate applied equally to the one he supported. What happened? A smug, dismissive reply and when pressed further, a change of topic.
In a week CodeBuster, very much like my brother did, will forget this argument. It will not have happened. They will repeat the very same position again and again. Statements and "facts" will be put forth but with no supporting data. It's no longer an argument based on reason and data but a reenforcement of a belief system and their faith.
Except that ...
The Obama administration has failed and we are paying for their failure. The Dems don't understand business and the private sector; they don't understand what actually generates wealth in this country
Yet somehow...
the fact that Wall Street went to Washington for their bailouts demonstrates that the government is still master of the money supply; the source from which all credit flows.
Yep, same person. Maybe it's me just getting older and noticing it more but what I've been seeing more and more is politics becoming a person's religion.
You're welcome. To explain further and give those numbers better meaning.
Infant Mortality Rate - The number of deaths of infants under 1 year of age from a cohort of 1,000 live births. Denoted 1q0 or IMR, it is the probability of dying between birth and exact age 1.
Life expectancy at birth. - The average number of years a group of people born in the same year can be expected to live if mortality at each age remains constant in the future.
The goal here is an irrational rant. Preferably in wall-of-text format. Why bother actually forming an informed opinion when we can spume and froth at the mouth and work up a good outrage?
So please, quit confusing the issue with stuff like "facts" and "details" like the following.
Infant Mortality Rate and Life Expectancy, by Sex: Canada
Year: 2010
IMR Both Sexes: 4.99
IMR Male: 5.34
IMR Female: 4.63
Life expectancy both sexes: 81.29
Life expectancy male: 78.72
Life expectancy female: 84.00
Infant Mortality Rate and Life Expectancy, by Sex: United States
Year: 2010
IMR Both Sexes: 6.14
IMR Male: 6.81
IMR Female: 5.44
Life expectancy both sexes: 78.24
Life expectancy male: 75.78
Life expectancy female: 80.81
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, International Data Base.
United States - Latest Data Used in the Estimates and Projections
Reference years: 2007
Data source: vital registration
Data collection years: 2007
Notes: Preliminary data on total registered deaths.
Citation: National Center for Health Statistics. 2008. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_21.pdf.
Canada - Latest Data Used in the Estimates and Projections
Reference years: 2004
Data source: vital registration
Data collection years: 2004
Notes: Registered deaths by age and sex.
Citation: Statistics Canada. 2006. Annual Demographic Statistics: 2005. Ottawa.
Note: Infant deaths are approximated as IMR times births in the year and may not add to totals due to rounding.
U.S. data are based on official estimates and projections. Population estimates for 1950-1999 are based on the resident population plus the armed forces overseas. Population estimates for 2000-2008 are for the resident population and are based on Census 2000. Population data in the IDB for 2009-2050 are projections of the resident population. The U.S. population components shown in the IDB for 2000-2050 may not match the official population components for the United States, due to differences in how they are displayed (calendar year versus midyear estimates). Revised official population estimates are released each year (see http://www.census.gov/popest/). Therefore, the U.S. population estimates (official compared with IDB) may not match due to differences in the timing of their releases.
My point was directed more at the topic of the parent post. That of the reaction of the school mentioned arresting a girl for drawing on a desk with an erasable marker and a similar response of the school in the original story making a claim that school property was damaged... by the tape.
If tape was used to cover the camera and the mic was intentionally obscured, how do you think the school would have reacted?
Thanks for the compliment.
I think this idea could work for on land algae farms as well.
WTOP mentioned that the Obama administration is pushing for more Nuke plants. With this and the current topic in mind, the hot water in the discharge canal was actually passed through 3 cooling ponds before being released into the lake proper so the lake wouldn't suffer from algae blooms.
With proper planning, that's several acres of land algae farms that could be favorable to extremophiles. So in addition to being a viable "green" electrical energy source, the thermal waste could be used to produce biogasoline.
So while you'd be talking about a lot of ocean, you certainly aren't using all of it.
I would also like to point out this calculation is based on the premise of replacing 100% of the petroleum fuel used by the U.S. with ocean grown algae as the only source of biomass for bio-fuel production.
Do you want to harvest existing algae -- the basis of most marine food chains -- or fertilize to create new algae, with possible downstream consequences?
If you think runoff from land-based farms is bad... the ocean is *all* runoff. If farming the oceans is done, it needs to be approached very slowly and carefully.
I don't see it happening within the next 10 years. But rather than a chemical fertilizer, I was thinking of thermal waste from an at sea data centers being used to promote algae growth.
Algae was a problem that plagued the nuclear plant I worked at. The plant used a man-made 14 acre lake for cooling. With warm water in the discharge canal year round, the Algae choked the life out of everything except for the catfish in the canal.
For an at sea data center the battle against algae growth will be a never ending battle just like it was at the Nuke Plant for the same reason. Thermal waste. Maybe not as bad, but still there. Rather than fight it, build into the system methods to cultivate and farm it.
The amount of algae growth required for powering America's fleet of vehicles would cover every ocean and kill every single fish on the planet.
Land-based farms require pumping water, maintenance, energy, etc. If you build them in the desert, you suffer horrendous water losses. If you build them near the ocean, you encroach on livable and arable land.
This conclusion is supported by.... what? Do you have a verifiable source of data that will support this claim? Something other than a link to a website that says...
Studies have shown the amount of algae growth required for powering America's fleet of vehicles would cover every ocean and kill every single fish on the planet.
What studies? Who preformed them? What methods did they use? How did they qualify the data? etc.. I'll happily read any data source you reply with but don't expect me to do the legwork to support your position.
What about algae farms on the ocean? Seaweed farms? Who says the biomass has to come from corn or any other land based crop? The farms could be right next to the data centers.
It's more like....
Equal parts of wisdom...
The young take the world as they see it and learn from it, adults try to use it productively, and elders warn people about observed and potential dangers.
and ignorance...
The young think they know everything and the older generations are out of touch.
The adults think they know everything. The older generation is out of touch and the younger generation is inexperienced.
The elders think they know everything and the younger generations are inexperienced.
So I'm confused.. is he right, or wrong? Because you SEEM to be arguing he's wrong, but you want him held to that standard..
okay, I get the hypocrisy angle, but has it occured to you that maybe he's had his eyes open by his own experiences with it and maybe sees it differently now?
If what you suggest were true, if he has had his eyes open by his own experiences and sees it differently, then there should be no difficulty in him apologizing. Now if it isn't true, if his eyes are still closed even after his own personal experience, then all that's there is an oblivious hypocrite who finds apologizing difficult because of the contradiction. Apparently, it seems the case may be the later of the two.
If this cognitive dissonance is by choice or by ignorance doesn't matter to me. A firm opinion is good. It test's the opposing opinion's strength and exposes it's weaknesses but an immutable opinion is the realm of faith and religion and should not be applied to politics and/or a political party's platform least the Pundits become Priests.
I'm kidding, of course. His hearing loss was actually the result of him being an unapologetic oxycontin addict.
Can you imagine what his show will be like in 20 years?
The Impressive Pundit: Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, the libwals wish to distwoy...
So you're saying he should not regret breaking the law? Even after he breaks the plea-bargain he made with the prosecutor? Instead we should be understanding of a drug smuggler's plight and be lenient?
Tell me, what political party is he a pundit for and what is their stance on the actions you propose? I can tell you what Rush Limbaugh suggested.
"Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." -- Rush Limbaugh 1995
Is it just me, or do the photos look like a big blob of yellows and grays?
Blurry photos.... I feel like I'm watching an episode of "In Search Of"
That day, Palpatine was amazed to discover that when Vader was saying "As you wish", what he meant was, "I love you." And even more amazing was the day he realized he truly loved him back.
( Just burning off some real karma with this one )