ok, yeah, maybe not all the floppies i ever used worked...but in general they are a *lot* more reliable than writable cds. In fact, i think floppies are the second most reliable storage i`ve used (after hard drives). (Floppies seem more reliable on the pc than on the Amiga, and i`ve not used an amiga for years now...)
No, i wasnt being sarcastic about that phrase! Honest!
If the u.s.a. is anything like the u.k. then you`ll have about 30,000,000 charities. Not all of them are `help the poor` type affairs - a lot will be the `helping myself` sost.
Its just art that will be kept...no-one is interested in book-keeping from 300 years ago are they? Most of the good stuff is on vinyl which should last some time. Not sure how many cds/movies from the last 50 years will be that interesting in 300 years time though.
The quality of writable cds in general looks pretty poor to me. Even if you can read them, straight away, on the same cd player (or another on the same pc), its not consistant, and its months, not years, before they get worse.
Who here has not heard the phrase `anyone got a cd player they want to test this disk with`? Why? Why dont they just work, all the time, like floppies? Shite technology, rushed onto the market?
I dont get the connection - so what if an NDA was broken? Its just a contract, if MacOsR didnt sign up in the first place, why should they care if someone else broke the contract?
Not really science fiction...but its Ford again, so...:)
But i thought the last 15 mins of The Fugitive turned it from being a really good film into YAAM (Yet Another American Movie) with all the bang bangs and everything.
Silence of the lambs also got let down by the ending.
People seem to have this `what about the CHEEEEELdren` attitude whenever people mention privacy, cookies etc.
This story just sounds like a bunch of hype to me. Now everyone knows a company called queer or something is collecting pings...uh..hacking... something?
And anyway, arent they called `demographics`? Or is psychographics a more interesting word? ;)
It used to be (early cd days) that you couldnt get blanks the same size as the originals. ie, max blank size was 74 mins, but you can write 80 mins or whatever on a cd.
On floppies they`d put stuff you couldnt copy down...stuff that was written some strange non standard way, and use strange non-standard reads of the disk to see if it was ok. i think you can do low level reads on some drives. Probably easy on a fixed platform like a console..then again i imagine sony/sega etc source cd drives from different manufacturers according to cost, so perhaps they use a low common denominator to be safe.
a) of benefit to people and not mice and b) less offensive to decent Christians.
well, never mind christians. Offensive to anywith with any respect for life. Otherwise why not experiment on humans? Lets face it, we`re doing this for humans benefit, not mice.
plus, if loads of audio manufacturers produce riaa compatible speakers, the chances of someone leaking the spec increases dramatically, or a poor implementation etc. or of someone building a box that you plug into your pc that takes a pleasantly sampled-from-analogue signal from it.
but yes, a single music cd. I wont go on about it because its been discussed before here:) And you can get them cheaper, sometimes, from independant stores (rather than Tower, HMV etc).
didnt this happen in some hi-tec area? somewhere in california? and it screwed itself up when the roads fell apart? i`m in the uk but i heard about this a year or so ago...was it true?
"When you get to high levels of trust, you cease to regard testing as an adequate assurance. You want to see evidence that the system has been specified carefully and correctly, and that the code meets the specification. Needless to say, if you don't have a specification, you can't be trusted. "
Yes, but this just tests that what has been specified has been coded correctly. If people are just adding bits here and there, as in an open source project, such as Linux, then nothing is specified as such, but you can test the various bits just as well. Its just outside this particular development paradigm.
You can still `prove` that a given part of the product works succesfully, surely.
"His assertion is that Open Source systems such as Linux are developed in too chaotic a system to ever reach a trusted state. "
What does the way something is developed have to do with the final product (or a given release), and the tests performed on it? You are testing the product, not the developement environment, surely?
Actually, the whole `carbon dating` thing is out of the window, seeing as its inacurrate...so i guess people from the future could guess your age from the fact that you probably went to school/university in the 1960s-90s....
In much the same way that Elvis didnt compete in Elvis lookalike competitions, theres little point in Douglas Adams getting involved in comparisons with Pratchett. Of COURSE Adams has read T.P. books - if you`d been asked over and over again if you thought you were similar to another author, wouldnt you - and my guess is he thinks he stinks and is being tactful.
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Read the posts! Even with Katz filters enabled, we still all got to see this post! :)
...and yet i still had to read this. Even the mention of his name is offensive. Cant the filters be fixed for this?
A.
ok, yeah, maybe not all the floppies i ever used worked...but in general they are a *lot* more reliable than writable cds. In fact, i think floppies are the second most reliable storage i`ve used (after hard drives). (Floppies seem more reliable on the pc than on the Amiga, and i`ve not used an amiga for years now...)
No, i wasnt being sarcastic about that phrase! Honest!
If the u.s.a. is anything like the u.k. then you`ll have about 30,000,000 charities. Not all of them are `help the poor` type affairs - a lot will be the `helping myself` sost.
Its just art that will be kept...no-one is interested in book-keeping from 300 years ago are they?
Most of the good stuff is on vinyl which should last some time.
Not sure how many cds/movies from the last 50 years will be that interesting in 300 years time though.
The quality of writable cds in general looks pretty poor to me. Even if you can read them, straight away, on the same cd player (or another on the same pc), its not consistant, and its months, not years, before they get worse.
Who here has not heard the phrase `anyone got a cd player they want to test this disk with`? Why? Why dont they just work, all the time, like floppies? Shite technology, rushed onto the market?
Yeah, its just freedom of information. Ie, giving the FBI the freedom to read YOUR information.
I dont get the connection - so what if an NDA was broken? Its just a contract, if MacOsR didnt sign up in the first place, why should they care if someone else broke the contract?
Not really science fiction...but its Ford again, so... :)
But i thought the last 15 mins of The Fugitive turned it from being a really good film into YAAM (Yet Another American Movie) with all the bang bangs and everything.
Silence of the lambs also got let down by the ending.
People seem to have this `what about the CHEEEEELdren` attitude whenever people mention privacy, cookies etc.
This story just sounds like a bunch of hype to me. Now everyone knows a company called queer or something is collecting pings...uh..hacking... something?
And anyway, arent they called `demographics`? Or is psychographics a more interesting word?
;)
It used to be (early cd days) that you couldnt get blanks the same size as the originals. ie, max blank size was 74 mins, but you can write 80 mins or whatever on a cd.
On floppies they`d put stuff you couldnt copy down...stuff that was written some strange non standard way, and use strange non-standard reads of the disk to see if it was ok. i think you can do low level reads on some drives. Probably easy on a fixed platform like a console..then again i imagine sony/sega etc source cd drives from different manufacturers according to cost, so perhaps they use a low common denominator to be safe.
Shush! This is a linux newsgroup! Posts praising MS are seriously off-topic here!
;)
a) of benefit to people and not mice and b) less offensive to decent Christians.
well, never mind christians. Offensive to anywith with any respect for life. Otherwise why not experiment on humans? Lets face it, we`re doing this for humans benefit, not mice.
plus, if loads of audio manufacturers produce riaa compatible speakers, the chances of someone leaking the spec increases dramatically, or a poor implementation etc. or of someone building a box that you plug into your pc that takes a pleasantly sampled-from-analogue signal from it.
Thats just horrible, really horrible...
If you have a problem with what they did, lobby for a law change.
Coporate stalking, perhaps.
I knew what you meant, i was being sarcastic... ;)
:) And you can get them cheaper, sometimes, from independant stores (rather than Tower, HMV etc).
but yes, a single music cd. I wont go on about it because its been discussed before here
Sort of puts you off of impulse buying though.
a.
it means about as much as `information wants to be free`.
"Remember, cds weren't cheap in 1985 either."
Huh! Its 2000, and cds cost 18pounds in the u.k.
:)
didnt this happen in some hi-tec area? somewhere in california? and it screwed itself up when the roads fell apart?
i`m in the uk but i heard about this a year or so ago...was it true?
"When you get to high levels of trust, you cease to regard testing as an adequate assurance. You want to see evidence that the system has been specified carefully and correctly, and that the code meets the specification. Needless to say, if you don't have a specification, you can't be trusted. "
Yes, but this just tests that what has been specified has been coded correctly. If people are just adding bits here and there, as in an open source project, such as Linux, then nothing is specified as such, but you can test the various bits just as well. Its just outside this particular development paradigm.
You can still `prove` that a given part of the product works succesfully, surely.
"His assertion is that Open Source systems such as Linux are developed in too chaotic a system to ever reach a trusted state. "
What does the way something is developed have to do with the final product (or a given release), and the tests performed on it? You are testing the product, not the developement environment, surely?
Actually, the whole `carbon dating` thing is out of the window, seeing as its inacurrate...so i guess people from the future could guess your age from the fact that you probably went to school/university in the 1960s-90s....
:)
(stanislav) Grof`s book `beyond the brain` has stuff about how the brain might work, but i dont think anyone knows yet...
In much the same way that Elvis didnt compete in Elvis lookalike competitions, theres little point in Douglas Adams getting involved in comparisons with Pratchett. Of COURSE Adams has read T.P. books - if you`d been asked over and over again if you thought you were similar to another author, wouldnt you - and my guess is he thinks he stinks and is being tactful.