and it's funny that you only mention religious people. people that felt that the world could only ever be united and peaceful when they live under a god.
strangely, that bears NO resemblance to what mark's trying to do.
all of which were people that did the majority of their work and goodwill after their death.
it's funny that you'd mention gandhi. hoping that you know SOMETHING about his teachings after using him shamelessly in a post, would you answer any question asked of you in complete and honest truth?
now, if you had a website of all the personal details of your life, would you mind if somebody indexed it and built a profile describing who you are?
it's the same thing. except that one most people don't really mind, the other people get shy about.
to be completely fair, Gandi's a pretty good example of somebody along the same lines.
but he was rather limited in the scope of the work he could accomplish. (I admit, I have no idea what the guy was like, he was long dead when I was born.)
the key point you're missing, is that the majority of the good gandi did for the world, came after he died. where as mark's in a position to make global changes a reality, and make the world a better place, in his current lifetime.
where did you get that from? did you even read the book? (by a comment like that, I assume not.)
he's trying to DECREASE the class spread. he's trying to get people to open up. to get people to WANT to go spend time at their bosses's place, to allow employees to report their superiors in a open way, to level the playing field, to help people that are more skilled to make it known that they truthfully ARE good at something, to allow better access to skills,
the list can go on and on for hours. unfortunately the guy's closer to communist than any we've seen in a long time. (and some of us love him for it.)
He's in it to change what people think of as private.
he has no interest in removing privacy from people, instead he rather want's people to understand that you don't need privacy to be comfortable with your life.
there are MANY of us that have
1) no secrets
2) very little to no privacy
3) all the interest in the world to share our experience with the most people we can in our lives
and we sure are perfectly happy about it.
Give me an example. please. name me one person who wanted to make the world a better place, and gave less of a fuck about money.
you'd be surprised how hard they are to find.
(the emphasis IS off in the first line you quoted, I can see how it may be misread. it would have been better worded: "for the first time in history, there exists a man who's interested in changing the world for the democratic better THAT MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY DO IT.)
Mark's one of the most open people you'll ever meet. send the guy an e-mail sometime, be a human being to the man, and go figure: he'll be a human back to you. (unless you are just being a money driven dick to him.)
stop thinking with your wallet for a second, and start thinking like a human being. there ARE other human beings in the world. there are even those of us who understand that he doesn't want to "get rich"
people that spend lifetimes gathering money and value, only to die, and find out that none of it could have saved them. then sit and regret having not given that guy from your youth asking for change a hand, or a kind word.
for the first time in history, there exists a man who's interested in changing the world for the democratic better.
and what do we as the tech community say?
"Fuck him, he's just trying to get rich"
if you stop, take your heads out of your asses, get to know the damn kid, and then stand back and take a look at what a horrible bunch of money driven cynical sociopaths you have all become, maybe you'll see that SOME OF US DON'T WANT TO MAKE MONEY! but rather need to make enough to try to help others.
Wasting money on PR seems like throwing money down the toilet.
what else can they do? (trust me, I'm not trying to support them, most of the global oil companies can go sit on the bottom of the ocean as far as I'm concerned.)
as a business, you can't just "suck it up and close your doors". you HAVE to move on. as much as people may not like the oil industry, they haven't ONCE said: "buy from us. because if you don't, you can't f'in go anywhere."
fiber to the home doesn't drastically increase demand directly, however an increase in available local provider bandwidth may promote growth in the local industry.
ISP's make money by charging providers access to the subscribers. the subscriptions are often subsidized based on this.
if NZ manages to get enough local interest in providing content, and the majority of the requests for content become domestic, then the price goes down, and the speed goes way up. at the same time, if they can generate enough international interest in providing content to the rest of the world in addition, the costs will be further decreased.
you ever try to keep a proxy for dynamic content? that's like shooting fish with a.45 from 800m away in the ocean blindfolded.
even just caching the content for the 12 people I provide internet access to consumes an entire machine. the machine has rules not to try to cache VoIP and other streamed media, (otherwise they'd break:P) and still saves very little in the grand scheme of things. without HUGE amounts of resources to data mine how people popular websites, and detailed knowledge of how those sites work, most requests containing even a new ad are going to break your cached copy.
at the ISP level, it's a) not worth it, b) potentially a privacy lawsuit these days.
remember that when the country becomes undesirable to business, when one of those businesses says: "you know, if only i could get my 500GB/week of data from here to my datacenter in india for processing, I might have stayed." and somebody close to you looses a job and can no longer support themselves.
nothing comes for free. and nothing comes from doing nothing.
I agree completely. for years I've been rewiring buildings, because low and behold, COPPER DEGRADES!
whenever you refine copper and leave it out in the oxygen rich world that we all live in, copper performs this magic trick that we call oxidization. as the copper oxidizes, it becomes cuprous oxide, a rather brittle and non conductive material.
the charging of these lines speeds the process several orders of magnitude. about three months ago, I was replacing the three hundred pair risers in an apartment building while installing a relay-based mircom intercom, because the lower voltage of the controller wouldn't spark over the existing GAPS in the wire that had occurred over the last fifty years.
Generators are not all "Hot Standby". most of the power in north america is produced in response to demand, with a small float provided, and refilled whenever somebody draws from it.
I completely agree, it's surprising how many people think that when they send something to EVERYONE, that they have no ability to tell EVERYONE that "that was a secret. don't tell anybody, K?"
excuse me? if your phone has a WIFI antenna, it's aware of WLAN data n a fairly regular basis, and the carrier is able to dump ALL registers from MOST phones these days.
just because SOME don't collect the data, doesn't mean ALL won't.
to what, ONE computer? that's not a network. that's barely even "networking". that an extension cable.:P
I was stupidly going to mention that it's silly that people still run 100MbE in homes.. but if you've only got an extension going to a 10Mb internet connection: why bother, right?
every customer of mine get's an ESXi server with some horsepower, a FXS/FXO, a 15/2Mb shaw pipe, a pair of GbE lines run to each room of the house, a used cisco 3725, a Linksys SRW-2024 (unless they have more than 11 rooms), and each jack finished. (I even hand out a few free hand made and GbE cert'ed patch cables.)
but then again, most of them USE the equipment. it's been a while since I DIDN'T help somebody with the setup afterwards.
people often then bring in a virtual asterisk instance, with an IP trunk and a DID, and I run the pair out to the house phone bix, and teach the basics of how to replace hard drives in the box incase they go.
but I am a nerd. and I guess I hang out with nerds.:P
in Canada, we're JUST starting to roll out FTTH. it'll still be a few years before any of the local providers even think to start providing the service.
here we have MTS DSL, (which blows chunks, but works as expected. [unless you have a Cisco. apparently their DSLAM can't handle the Cisco implementation of PPPoE...])
and Shaw. who provide anything from 5/.5Mbps to 100/10Mbps over copper, (and even provide 25/25Mbps to other shaw customers!)
it's always a surprise to people that $50 routers can't handle >10Mb pipes.
you don't try and maintain seven VPN sessions out with fifteen local clients all taxing the pipe.
try even putting three people on a DLink2300. the things almost melt down when you try and sustain 12Mbps over the wan port while having ONE wireless client connected. tested and reproduced that on SEVEN copies this month alone.
they let you make one decision. limit your WAN connection speed to 10Mbps, or have a handful of wireless clients.
but don't ask them to maintain ONE measly VPN tunnel endpoint. apparently that's WAY too much to handle WHILE dealing with wireless clients.
(at first I assumed it was a power issue, but after feeding the required voltage with over 3 apms available to the thing, they STILL choke CONSTANTLY.)
I'm surprised every time I get a call from a friend asking "why doesn't my d-link [model] or linksys [model] or [insert a brand here] router keeps dropping, or the wireless is sketchy: they they will put up with equipment of that grade.
Personally, if I buy a car, I expect that it'll get me from A to B 99.999% of the time. I don't need frills. if it only worked 90% of the time, I'd have called that a bad investment.
I install carrier grade equipment. when small WISP's or private business want to upgrade the gear they own in our center, I offer them what I think it's worth used. I can't tell you how many 3725/45's I've bought and sold over the last year.
whenever a friend buys a house, they end up dropping almost 9K in networking gear with me. and their house does exactly what they want it to do at any given time. (well, the network does. lot's of bad plumbers here in canada.:P)
I was playing with 881's for home's, but they feel slow and sluggish under a decent 25Mb pipe as you get close to 70%. 3825's all the way.
Why the hell not? you can buy a SA for as little as 10Mbps, and if you're willing to handle the subscription deals with end users, you can put up a small WISP on a 100Mb for under 500K: equipment, small central office (likely home based) and all legal fees in.
in canada, (where the extremely moderate costs for peering are reasonable) we've got hundreds of small WISP's popping up all the time. they provide 756Kb/256Kb wireless connections to most of rural Canada.
most ISP's here won't run a line until there are 1K+ customers willing to sign one year SA's, so the WISP's provide for thousands of people, by peering from canada's (I know. our backbones are still SMALL) backbones.
Hurricane Electric for example, has and maintains hundreds of peer points. it's nothing these days to get a hold of a pair of 3845's for under $15K each, and take a peer point with failover. (it's hard to get a lawyer to ok your contract guaranteeing five nines though, with only one peer:P)
now if you mean the cost associated with installing and maintaining the peer point in the first place, I completely agree. even a CRS1 is WAY out of my price range, and that would only cover a fraction of these fibers bandwidth requirements.
they're doing a pretty good job, given the existing politics in the industry. it costs a lot to keep f'in exec's on beaches.
gah. I'm so sick of dealing with the politics. every time you ask somebody to get you a new 10GbE link run from the san to the production grid, you have twenty people breathing down your neck trying to buy the other 60% of the time, and 98% of the bandwidth.
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and it's funny that you only mention religious people. people that felt that the world could only ever be united and peaceful when they live under a god.
strangely, that bears NO resemblance to what mark's trying to do.
all of which were people that did the majority of their work and goodwill after their death.
it's funny that you'd mention gandhi. hoping that you know SOMETHING about his teachings after using him shamelessly in a post, would you answer any question asked of you in complete and honest truth?
now, if you had a website of all the personal details of your life, would you mind if somebody indexed it and built a profile describing who you are?
it's the same thing. except that one most people don't really mind, the other people get shy about.
to be completely fair, Gandi's a pretty good example of somebody along the same lines.
but he was rather limited in the scope of the work he could accomplish. (I admit, I have no idea what the guy was like, he was long dead when I was born.)
the key point you're missing, is that the majority of the good gandi did for the world, came after he died. where as mark's in a position to make global changes a reality, and make the world a better place, in his current lifetime.
why for one second does the guys age have anything to do with what he's capable of?
What the hell are you talking about?
"Everything is marketing, everything is sales"
where did you get that from? did you even read the book? (by a comment like that, I assume not.)
he's trying to DECREASE the class spread. he's trying to get people to open up. to get people to WANT to go spend time at their bosses's place, to allow employees to report their superiors in a open way, to level the playing field, to help people that are more skilled to make it known that they truthfully ARE good at something, to allow better access to skills,
the list can go on and on for hours. unfortunately the guy's closer to communist than any we've seen in a long time. (and some of us love him for it.)
He's in it to change what people think of as private.
he has no interest in removing privacy from people, instead he rather want's people to understand that you don't need privacy to be comfortable with your life.
there are MANY of us that have
1) no secrets
2) very little to no privacy
3) all the interest in the world to share our experience with the most people we can in our lives
and we sure are perfectly happy about it.
Let me guess. you're a capitalist (dare I guess american?) in your 30-40's, and you currently own two cars.
I can see why you don't trust him.
This couldn't be more on topic.
Give me an example. please. name me one person who wanted to make the world a better place, and gave less of a fuck about money.
you'd be surprised how hard they are to find. (the emphasis IS off in the first line you quoted, I can see how it may be misread. it would have been better worded: "for the first time in history, there exists a man who's interested in changing the world for the democratic better THAT MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY DO IT.) Mark's one of the most open people you'll ever meet. send the guy an e-mail sometime, be a human being to the man, and go figure: he'll be a human back to you. (unless you are just being a money driven dick to him.)
stop thinking with your wallet for a second, and start thinking like a human being. there ARE other human beings in the world. there are even those of us who understand that he doesn't want to "get rich"
people that spend lifetimes gathering money and value, only to die, and find out that none of it could have saved them. then sit and regret having not given that guy from your youth asking for change a hand, or a kind word.
Jesus people. Look at what you've become.
for the first time in history, there exists a man who's interested in changing the world for the democratic better.
and what do we as the tech community say?
"Fuck him, he's just trying to get rich"
if you stop, take your heads out of your asses, get to know the damn kid, and then stand back and take a look at what a horrible bunch of money driven cynical sociopaths you have all become, maybe you'll see that SOME OF US DON'T WANT TO MAKE MONEY! but rather need to make enough to try to help others.
as much as I agree that people shouldn't forget these things:
we still depend on oil, and don't have the ability to mine/refine it ourselves.
people will continue going to work on monday mornings with a full tank of gas, and will soon forget about it.
Wasting money on PR seems like throwing money down the toilet.
what else can they do? (trust me, I'm not trying to support them, most of the global oil companies can go sit on the bottom of the ocean as far as I'm concerned.)
as a business, you can't just "suck it up and close your doors". you HAVE to move on. as much as people may not like the oil industry, they haven't ONCE said:
"buy from us. because if you don't, you can't f'in go anywhere."
that's not entirely true.
fiber to the home doesn't drastically increase demand directly, however an increase in available local provider bandwidth may promote growth in the local industry.
ISP's make money by charging providers access to the subscribers. the subscriptions are often subsidized based on this.
if NZ manages to get enough local interest in providing content, and the majority of the requests for content become domestic, then the price goes down, and the speed goes way up. at the same time, if they can generate enough international interest in providing content to the rest of the world in addition, the costs will be further decreased.
you ever try to keep a proxy for dynamic content? that's like shooting fish with a .45 from 800m away in the ocean blindfolded.
:P) and still saves very little in the grand scheme of things. without HUGE amounts of resources to data mine how people popular websites, and detailed knowledge of how those sites work, most requests containing even a new ad are going to break your cached copy.
even just caching the content for the 12 people I provide internet access to consumes an entire machine. the machine has rules not to try to cache VoIP and other streamed media, (otherwise they'd break
at the ISP level, it's a) not worth it, b) potentially a privacy lawsuit these days.
you're right, there is no such thing as free.
remember that when the country becomes undesirable to business, when one of those businesses says: "you know, if only i could get my 500GB/week of data from here to my datacenter in india for processing, I might have stayed." and somebody close to you looses a job and can no longer support themselves.
nothing comes for free. and nothing comes from doing nothing.
I agree completely. for years I've been rewiring buildings, because low and behold, COPPER DEGRADES!
whenever you refine copper and leave it out in the oxygen rich world that we all live in, copper performs this magic trick that we call oxidization. as the copper oxidizes, it becomes cuprous oxide, a rather brittle and non conductive material.
the charging of these lines speeds the process several orders of magnitude. about three months ago, I was replacing the three hundred pair risers in an apartment building while installing a relay-based mircom intercom, because the lower voltage of the controller wouldn't spark over the existing GAPS in the wire that had occurred over the last fifty years.
and that was INDOOR wire.
Generators are not all "Hot Standby". most of the power in north america is produced in response to demand, with a small float provided, and refilled whenever somebody draws from it.
I completely agree, it's surprising how many people think that when they send something to EVERYONE, that they have no ability to tell EVERYONE that "that was a secret. don't tell anybody, K?"
They only know as much as you tell them, and agree to give them to retain.
if you don't like them having your information: NOBODY IS MAKING YOU GIVE IT TO THEM!
excuse me? if your phone has a WIFI antenna, it's aware of WLAN data n a fairly regular basis, and the carrier is able to dump ALL registers from MOST phones these days.
just because SOME don't collect the data, doesn't mean ALL won't.
to what, ONE computer? that's not a network. that's barely even "networking". that an extension cable. :P
:P
I was stupidly going to mention that it's silly that people still run 100MbE in homes.. but if you've only got an extension going to a 10Mb internet connection: why bother, right?
every customer of mine get's an ESXi server with some horsepower, a FXS/FXO, a 15/2Mb shaw pipe, a pair of GbE lines run to each room of the house, a used cisco 3725, a Linksys SRW-2024 (unless they have more than 11 rooms), and each jack finished. (I even hand out a few free hand made and GbE cert'ed patch cables.)
but then again, most of them USE the equipment. it's been a while since I DIDN'T help somebody with the setup afterwards.
people often then bring in a virtual asterisk instance, with an IP trunk and a DID, and I run the pair out to the house phone bix, and teach the basics of how to replace hard drives in the box incase they go.
but I am a nerd. and I guess I hang out with nerds.
in Canada, we're JUST starting to roll out FTTH. it'll still be a few years before any of the local providers even think to start providing the service.
here we have MTS DSL, (which blows chunks, but works as expected. [unless you have a Cisco. apparently their DSLAM can't handle the Cisco implementation of PPPoE...])
and Shaw. who provide anything from 5/.5Mbps to 100/10Mbps over copper, (and even provide 25/25Mbps to other shaw customers!)
it's always a surprise to people that $50 routers can't handle >10Mb pipes.
you don't try and maintain seven VPN sessions out with fifteen local clients all taxing the pipe.
try even putting three people on a DLink2300. the things almost melt down when you try and sustain 12Mbps over the wan port while having ONE wireless client connected. tested and reproduced that on SEVEN copies this month alone.
they let you make one decision. limit your WAN connection speed to 10Mbps, or have a handful of wireless clients.
but don't ask them to maintain ONE measly VPN tunnel endpoint. apparently that's WAY too much to handle WHILE dealing with wireless clients.
(at first I assumed it was a power issue, but after feeding the required voltage with over 3 apms available to the thing, they STILL choke CONSTANTLY.)
I'm surprised every time I get a call from a friend asking "why doesn't my d-link [model] or linksys [model] or [insert a brand here] router keeps dropping, or the wireless is sketchy: they they will put up with equipment of that grade.
:P)
Personally, if I buy a car, I expect that it'll get me from A to B 99.999% of the time. I don't need frills. if it only worked 90% of the time, I'd have called that a bad investment.
I install carrier grade equipment. when small WISP's or private business want to upgrade the gear they own in our center, I offer them what I think it's worth used. I can't tell you how many 3725/45's I've bought and sold over the last year.
whenever a friend buys a house, they end up dropping almost 9K in networking gear with me. and their house does exactly what they want it to do at any given time. (well, the network does. lot's of bad plumbers here in canada.
I was playing with 881's for home's, but they feel slow and sluggish under a decent 25Mb pipe as you get close to 70%. 3825's all the way.
Why the hell not? you can buy a SA for as little as 10Mbps, and if you're willing to handle the subscription deals with end users, you can put up a small WISP on a 100Mb for under 500K: equipment, small central office (likely home based) and all legal fees in.
:P)
in canada, (where the extremely moderate costs for peering are reasonable) we've got hundreds of small WISP's popping up all the time. they provide 756Kb/256Kb wireless connections to most of rural Canada.
most ISP's here won't run a line until there are 1K+ customers willing to sign one year SA's, so the WISP's provide for thousands of people, by peering from canada's (I know. our backbones are still SMALL) backbones.
Hurricane Electric for example, has and maintains hundreds of peer points. it's nothing these days to get a hold of a pair of 3845's for under $15K each, and take a peer point with failover. (it's hard to get a lawyer to ok your contract guaranteeing five nines though, with only one peer
now if you mean the cost associated with installing and maintaining the peer point in the first place, I completely agree. even a CRS1 is WAY out of my price range, and that would only cover a fraction of these fibers bandwidth requirements.
they're doing a pretty good job, given the existing politics in the industry. it costs a lot to keep f'in exec's on beaches.
gah. I'm so sick of dealing with the politics. every time you ask somebody to get you a new 10GbE link run from the san to the production grid, you have twenty people breathing down your neck trying to buy the other 60% of the time, and 98% of the bandwidth.