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Earthlink Announces It Must Honor Comcast Cap

LostCluster writes "For those in Comcast territory, a popular way to get around Comcast's 250 GB monthly cap was to sign up for EarthLink Powered by Comcast Service, where there was no cap. Forget about that.... Earthlink just posted an FAQ explaining that Comcast will enforce the cap against Earthlink customers starting July 1."

306 comments

  1. well then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mind the gap.

  2. Re:Net neutrality at its best by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Brought to you by the US Congress.

    The rat bastards...

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  3. Perspective by Andy+Smith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To offer some perspective, here in the UK we have monthly limits that are most commonly in the 15-30Gb range, with a premium limit of 50Gb being offered by a minority of service providers.

    1. Re:Perspective by jbuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      up until this year, my Orange ADSL2 connection had a supposed cap of 2GB. Thankfully, it wasn't enforced as far as I could tell.

    2. Re:Perspective by Beelzebud · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure what different perspective I'm supposed to take from your statement. That we should accept crappy limits because the UK does?

    3. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not sure what different perspective I'm supposed to take from your statement. That we should accept crappy limits because the UK does?

      Yes. Because if it is good enough for England it is good enough for you in whatever backwards, uncivilized non-England country your cave is in.

    4. Re:Perspective by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      And I pay $44.99 forcable my connection with SHAW and get 60Gigs of traffic while iWeb sells a dedicated server for $49.99 with 1500gigsof traffic. http://iweb.com/promotion Yah thats perspective which is funny as the traffic cap was WAAAy higher even 5 years ago.

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    5. Re:Perspective by Beelzebud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You insensitive clod! I live in a hovel, not a cave!

    6. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here in Finland, we have no caps at all. (Currently posting from quite affordable 100/10 connection that actually acts as 90/40 connection based on all my tests)

      I knew that situation was bad in the US but I hadn't heard that it is so horrible in the UK. I assumed you were part of the modern world. Usually, the more infrastructure has been destroyed in wars (such as WWII) the more modern it is these days as had to be rebuilt and it is easier to keep up with the technology than it is to modernize ancient infrastructure... As USA hasn't been in a war since the civil war (Yeah, I'm aware that they keep sending soldiers offshore but the country hasn't ever been bombed, for example) it isn't such a big surprise that their infrastructure is what it is. But UK was bombed pretty heavily (I think?) so I guess that my rule of thumb doesn't hold true as much as I thought it would.

    7. Re:Perspective by fluch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree. I enjoy (here in the UK) unlimited internet usage at a monthly price of less than 14£ (on top of the compulsory phone line rental). And my ISP is far from being local only.

    8. Re:Perspective by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      2gb/mo wouldn't even handle my email these days with all the uncontrolled spam, let alone being bombarded by all the advertisements on almost every web page in existence.. If the limit here was that low i wouldn't even bother getting service.

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    9. Re:Perspective by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what different perspective I'm supposed to take from your statement. That we should accept crappy limits because the UK does?

      Yeah, no kidding. I thought we were supposed to discuss how everybody in the world has better internet access than the US does.

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    10. Re:Perspective by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I think the perspective is that a lot of people were getting incredibly good service for next to nothing, and should be happy about it instead of complaining that the free lunch is over.

      People got over 250GB a month on cable service because they were using available bandwidth that their neighbors were not using. Now that more people have broadband access and more people are using more bandwidth, there just isn't enough to go around on the same wires.

    11. Re:Perspective by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      We do? Admittedly my ISP is only the second largest in the UK, but they don't have caps anything like that small. Actually, they don't have caps at all, but if I download more than 1.5GB between 10am and 3pm, or more than 750MB between 4pm and 9pm. That leaves 14 hours with no cap at all. I get about 1MB/s from my connection, so if I saturated it during that period, I'd get about 50GB, plus the 2.25GB I'm allowed at peak times. In a month, I could download around 1.5TB without hitting a cap. Of course, if I actually saturated the connection during the off-peak hours they might complain, but I've never managed to come close to that. Even with iPlayer and occasionally having to download DVD images from my publisher, it's rare to get through more than 10GB/day.

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    12. Re:Perspective by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      the cost to provide IP transit into a datacenter is MUCH lower than it is to provide you a Service Level Agreement of that speed/bandwidth into your home.

      if you want to see the SLA costs for something like what your hosting provider pays, get yourself a thousand people willing to sign a document stating that they'll provide content that people want (legally, of course) and call Bell Business solutions.

      at $300/month for a 1.544Mbps line with 500GB of transfer, you'll understand why your 10-16down/1up Mbps connection might come with the limits it does.

    13. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look at your contract. The words "Fair Use Policy" will be in there somewhere. If not, which ISP are you so I can switch?

      I'm with virgin media, I don't think their policy is quite as restrictive as the GP says but it's certainly not unlimited at full speed.

    14. Re:Perspective by mlts · · Score: 2, Funny

      2GB a month wouldn't handle my software updates, even if I used WSUS. Recently, my Mac slurped up a 300MB update, my Windows machines with their apps required a sizable amount of updates, my CentOS machine grabbed a large amount of updates. This alone would fill up a 2GB/month connection.

    15. Re:Perspective by PsyciatricHelp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just downloaded 22 GB of games off Steam and Bliz in less than 2 days re downloading my game s after a system reload.

    16. Re:Perspective by fluch · · Score: 1

      I remember a few months in a row were I downloaded 200GB to 450GB data each month. Nobody complained at all for the usage. And no problem with the speed, either...

    17. Re:Perspective by fluch · · Score: 1

      Finland is just much more modern than UK or the US. I have lived there for 8 years (before studies brought myself here to the UK). Yes, no data caps there and good speed. It is surprising how much middle age the UK is.

    18. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doing what ?

    19. Re:Perspective by citizenr · · Score: 1

      To offer some perspective, here in the UK we have monthly limits that are most commonly in the 15-30Gb range, with a premium limit of 50Gb being offered by a minority of service providers.

      To offer some perspective, here in Poland we have NO monthly limits. There used to be ones, but competition got rid of them. Currently in the capital I can get 120/10 for $60 from one Icable ISP, or 60/6 (120/6 during the night) for $70 from teh second biggest cable ISP.

      first one : http://www.komputerswiat.pl/media/1128813/testupc-op.jpg

      Of course slower speeds are much cheaper. Upload is not p2p capped. I seed about 12h per day with my max upload speed.

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    20. Re:Perspective by Shaltenn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The answer is therefore to either: Stop selling the same speeds or upgrade your damn lines. I would rather have a 5mbps connection with no cap that I could utilize fully the entire time than a 30mbps connection with a 250 gb cap and other limitations.

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    21. Re:Perspective by lucm · · Score: 1

      Here in Canada my ISP used to have no cap for 75$/month. Then it switched to 100GB with a maximum penalty of 30$ for unlimited extra GBs, so virtually unlimited was 105$/month. Then the maximum penalty was raised to 50$, so my bill went up to 125$/month.

      It was not enough for them. Now there is no limit for the penalty (8$ for each extra GB) but I have the wonderful option of "purchasing" a bundle: 12$ for 30 more GB.

      Basically I end up paying more for less every year, and there is no alternative, the telco is even more expensive. There used to be cheap unlimited DSL providers but the telco (which owns the phone line) has put a cap on their lease so the speed is lousy.

      So I can get screwed by the cable company or get screwed by the phone company.

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    22. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but I bought and paid for UNLIMITED internet access when I signed up with my provider.
      If they think they're going to change that without asking me they have another thing coming.

    23. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would, but most people won't. It's the same way with shared hosting overselling. Generally, it's beneficial. But if you don't like it, pick another ISP or server host. Or buy a dedicated server/ISP business line.

    24. Re:Perspective by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 1

      i'm in southern ontario with Cogeco... 60gig cap for $45/month. Every gig over costs $1 with a maximum overcharge of $25 (IIRC) because their professional-package is $30/month more (that package has a 125 gig limit plus slightly higher speeds.) Between uploading videos to youtube, video conferencing with my parents and brother, daily ubuntu updates and a few movie downloads I exceed 60 gigs every month.

    25. Re:Perspective by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Really? You'd prefer a slow, uncapped connection to a high speed connection with a massively high data cap, such as a quarter of a terabyte per month?

      Fuck that, I'd go for a fast connection with 250GB limit any day. I have to try hard to download more than 50-60GB per month. What I want is more speed.

    26. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you didn't. Here is Comcast's Internet signup page: High-Speed Internet.

      I challenge you to locate exactly where it says 'unlimited.'

      Here is the high-tier 'Blast' plan description:

      Blast!®
      Downloads up to 20Mbps, uploads up to 4Mbps with PowerBoost®.

      • Super fast speeds so you can download music, movies and games and upload photos in a flash.
      • Norton(TM) Security Suite -- superior protection, fastest performance (a $160 value) included at no additional charge.
      • SmartZone® Communications Center with 7 e-mail accounts, each with 10GB of storage.
      • ESPN3.com on Comcast.net.

      And the terms:

      Not all services available in all areas. High-Speed Internet service limited to a single outlet. Service subject to Comcast standard terms and conditions. Prices shown do not include equipment and installation charges or taxes. PowerBoost provides bursts of download and upload speeds for the first 20 MB and 10 MB of a file, respectively. Many factors affect speed. Actual speeds vary and are not guaranteed. Cable modem required. Norton comparisons based on Antivirus, Internet Security and Total Security Performance Benchmarking, Edition 4, by PassMark Software Pty., Ltd. (March 2009). Pricing, services and features subject to change. Please call your local Comcast office for restrictions and complete details about service, prices and equipment. Comcast ©2010. All rights reserved. Norton is a trademark of Symantec Corporation. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

      Now you're going to reply that Comcast changed their webpage. Then prove that by citing archive.org. FWIW, in my 10 years of being a Comcast customer, I don't recall ever seeing 'unlimited' service offers.

      Even if unlimited service was advertised at one point -- speculation itself -- this would have meant nothing. Comcast would have noted otherwise in their ToS and fine print. If it weren't for that, Comcast likely would have been sued multiple times. Probably by someone unreasonable like yourself.

    27. Re:Perspective by BlueStrat · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...a massively high data cap, such as a quarter of a terabyte per month?

      That depends on who is doing the defining of "massively high" and for how long into the future we're talking, doesn't it?

      As many have already mentioned in other posts, 250GB/mo isn't that much these days even without p2p, and I sure don't see that trend reversing or even slowing. I wonder how "cloud computing" and bandwidth caps will work out?

      Strat

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    28. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't even think it's about the download speed. GP introduced a plan to lower rate while removing limit. But this is assuming there is an existing relation.

      What reason would Comcast have to limit monthly bandwidth? It isn't like Comcast has to pay for that usage. Customers are already throttled when they saturate the line.

      My only explanation is that Comcast simply doesn't want leechers. They don't want that 0.001% of the userbase. These are the people that torrent 24/7, and it's Comcast's way of keeping them in check. So even if their download speed were a measly 5Mb/s, it would make zero difference.

    29. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on who is doing the defining of "massively high" and for how long into the future we're talking, doesn't it?

      It doesn't need pointing out that this 250GB cap is not fixed. It was much lower in 2000, and it will be much higher in 2015-2020.

      Comcast is a regular consumer ISP, and that means they roll with the demand. If there is a rising demand for 250GB+, it will happen. As it is now, when the number of people that legally exceed this limit rank in the hundreds nation-wide, there is almost no incentive.

      I would rather IPv6 and household fiber-optic be rolled out, myself. Oh, and while I'm dreaming, FiOS and U-Verse.

    30. Re:Perspective by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd say, at present, that 250GB is a pretty hugely high data cap for a home user.

      At 4GB per movie, this is 2 movies per day. I'd love to have the time to watch that many movies, and I'd love for there to be that many movies worth watching.

      At 6MB per MP3, this is over 40 thousand tracks per month. There aren't enough hours in the day to listen to this much music.

      It's an essentially unlimited amount of web browsing, even if you're watching YouTube 24 hours a day.

      It's my favourite Linux distro, 60 times over. They don't update it this frequently.

      It's all the software updates that the many computers in my house could possibly download, with this maybe using up 1%

      What else, if not p2p downloads of movies and large software installers, are you burning through 250GB a month with? I am genuinely curious, maybe there's something out there on the internet I'm missing out on!

    31. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope, some people like to think that, but wired internet in the US is about the same as wired internet everywhere else: halfway decent in cities, crap in the boonies. Countries that are more urbanized have better than the US _average_ numbers, for obvious reasons...

      Wireless, OTOH... wireless data, and to a lesser extent, voice/SMS, really suck in the US, we're second only to Canada in that way. (Canada basically has only two wireless brands, owned by one company. Think everything bad you've ever experienced or heard of AT&T in the US -- but with no competition, so they don't even have to play at improvements. There's simply nowhere for the customers to hemorrhage to.)

    32. Re:Perspective by adolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must live alone. That's OK; it's Slashdot. At least you're out of Mom's basement.

      At my house, folks watch movies. The boy might be watching something on Netflix in HD, my brother in law might be watching something on tvshack.com, while my daughter is digging on something on Hulu, my wife is downloading a WoW update, and I'm pulling down a few torrents.

      Every day.

      250GB/mo ain't gonna cut it.

    33. Re:Perspective by Snarf+You · · Score: 1

      To offer some perspective, here in the UK we have monthly limits that are most commonly in the 15-30Gb range, with a premium limit of 50Gb being offered by a minority of service providers.

      Yeah, but your guys' internet isn't nearly as big as ours.

    34. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you called Comcast to ask if you are subject to this limit? Very few people have been terminated for this. And I wonder if the highest plans have the same limit; I don't believe this info is documented anywhere.

      Also, I'd check your usage before assuming you are infringing. It's easy to think you are exceeding 250GB, even with 1 movie/day, only to be surprised when it is actually 40-60GB.

    35. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a hovel! Would ha' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! Hovel? Huh.

    36. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doing the above on multiple computers?

    37. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a piss-poor human and an even worse parent if that is your "everyday". Jesus dude, GO OUTSIDE. RIDE A BIKE. WALK.

    38. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon charges by the GB for transferring data in and out of EC2 -- that's one solution to cloud computing bandwidth caps. Personally, I see nothing wrong with either caps or charging by the GB. Either way you're paying for approximately how much you use, it's just a matter of how rough the approximation. I find the only people who think it's unfair or wrong are the ones for whom it's particular self-serving to find it that way.

    39. Re:Perspective by aywwts4 · · Score: 1

      I had 2GB+ of steam game updates in the past 3 days.

      My last two years of logs report my home has a very stable 80gig down, 7 gig up per month habit (No torrenting)

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    40. Re:Perspective by Andy+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative

      "good enough for England"

      I said UK. England is just one of four countries in the UK, and it's not the one that I live in.

      UK != England as USA != California :-)

    41. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To offer some perspective, here in the Netherlands i have a 100/100 fiber connection and no cap. Believe me, I've tried until the terabyte range (in 1 month) and never heard a thing.

    42. Re:Perspective by AK+Marc · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or three people streaming a high quality Internet radio station all day every day for a month. Yes, just three people listening to the radio can hit you massive unreachable cap. Downloading isn't as bad as indiscriminate connections. With a capped connection, I've had to teach my family that. Before, we were uncapped, and things like multiple people on WoW with voice chat would suck down more than streaming a movie. It's easy to hit 250GB in a month. It might be easy to not hit it either, but some people who think their usage is "normal" may hit it with gaming, IM and streaming without ever downloading a single thing.

    43. Re:Perspective by KahabutDieDrake · · Score: 1

      FYI and off topic, but you can put the steam folder on a non-system drive and will not be required to reinstall after a rebuild. Some games will require a first run setup, but you won't have to reload the files.

    44. Re:Perspective by mlyle · · Score: 1

      Seems like it would really take trying to bust the cap with radio to do it.

      (160 (kilobits / second)) * 3 * (16 (hours / day)) * (1 month) = 100.316766 gigabytes

    45. Re:Perspective by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Or three people streaming a high quality Internet radio station all day every day for a month. Yes, just three people listening to the radio can hit you massive unreachable cap

      Ostensibly, it's "easy". It's not particularly realistic though to think that on one home broadband connection, three people have running, twenty-four / seven, a 64KB aacPlus internet stream. Cause "all day" won't hit that cap, only non-stop twenty four hours a day. (150GB/month for a 64KB stream).

    46. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a piss-poor human if you think you have the right to declare some free-time activities inherently "better" than others.

    47. Re:Perspective by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Either "really trying" or "not trying at all." Just have three people that turn on their favorite stream, and leave it on 24 hours a day. And poof, there goes your cap. No one says you have to be there listening. After all, that's how some people treat regular radio...

    48. Re:Perspective by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I've met more than one person that mutes their computer when they walk away, completely oblivious to the fact that they could have just suspended their computer or something else to stop usage. At one point, I worked at a place where more than half of all Internet usage was radio (somewhere around 75% or so, mostly from shoutcast, back when that was the thing). So I've paid attention to the usage since then, and it's always more than people think.

    49. Re:Perspective by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      That it's 250GB today, but it'll be lower tomorrow - our quotas started out higher too; it was only a couple of years ago that you could find 300GB quota ISPs. Now the one I'm on reduced the quota from 100GB to 50GB last month and there's hardly anywhere left to go for ADSL1 customers who don't have competitors in the local exchanges (around 30% of the country).

      Most of them that have quotas don't give you any method of knowing how much you've used either, until you get a threatening email for being an 'excessive user'. Hell, some of the mainstream ones, like BT or pipex, don't even tell you what the quota IS; they just top slice the heaviest customers and kick them off, and charge *them* for breach of contract.

      It's an utter joke, and the regulator is quite happy for it to carry on, because us excessive users are clearly only pirates and ne'er-do-wells, so who gives a toss?

      So beware. Do what you can to get proper regulation involved before it all turns to crap like it has this side of the pond.

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    50. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unlimited 17.50GBP a month here. Depends if your local loop unbundled or not.

    51. Re:Perspective by Rising+Ape · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not always. My O2 connection is unlimited, for example. It's usually the BT resellers that have the low limits.

      Even so, I probably average about 25 GB/month. I don't know what people are doing to go over 250.

    52. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cause yer a lazy bastard who didn't build his own house! At least grab yerself a few logs and start building!

    53. Re:Perspective by stonertom · · Score: 1

      I've only seen one ISP with a cap in the UK, excluding mobile broadband.

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    54. Re:Perspective by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your comparison to the USA is perhaps closer to the truth than you'd like.
      California isn't a country.
      England isn't a country either.
      Neither is a sovereign state.

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    55. Re:Perspective by psnyder · · Score: 1

      To offer some perspective, here in the UK we have monthly limits that are most commonly in the 15-30Gb range, with a premium limit of 50Gb being offered by a minority of service providers.

      To offer some perspective, here in Japan we have numerous internet service providers all competing for the same turf, and so we have a number of fairly cheap ISPs to choose from, all offering very quick uncapped service.

    56. Re:Perspective by ngg · · Score: 1

      Surely you aren't suggesting that users are actively violating the Terms of Service by connecting more than one computer to the network?

    57. Re:Perspective by uncqual · · Score: 1

      Have you asked Comcast if you can get (and pay for) a second connection? If you can, it's just that you're not willing to pay for the service you want (which is WAY over what the vast majority of Comcast customers use). Or, switch to Comcast Business Class -- last I heard that didn't have the 250GB/month cap.

      If you're the fat belching farting slob in the "all you can eat" buffet line for the 15th time since dinner service started, don't be surprised to discover that the business exercises the "we reserve the right to refuse service" clause in the future (which is all Comcast does -- first time is a warning, second time is disconnect according to their policy as I recall it).

      Now they are open about it and I have access to the "GB transferred so far this month" meter, I'm okay with it. When the level of the cap was a secret and there was no meter available, I was pissed.

      If I need more, I'll pay for it (upgrade to business class, get a T3, get a couple DSL lines, or get a second Comcast connection or...)

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    58. Re:Perspective by fluch · · Score: 1

      Downloading quite few "Linux DVD" images. ;-)
      But after a few months even this gets boring... (actually I was surprised myself by the data usage)

    59. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... wired internet in the US is about the same as wired internet everywhere else...

      *AC in Sweden attempts to stifle derisive laughter, fails.*

    60. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think .1% of the population would agree with you. Maybe not on slashdot but you are definitely in the real world you are a tiny tiny minority.

    61. Re:Perspective by ijakings · · Score: 1

      These sorts of limits mostly apply to BT Wholesale Resellers. Many LLU Providers have caps much higher than this. For Example BE are pretty Lax with thier Fair usage Policy, as are UKOnline, both told me on the phone that they would look at about 500gb to be "excessive". As long as you can stay away from BT Wholesale, you should be ok.

    62. Re:Perspective by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      Hi. I'm from Canada. I pay $27/mo for a 200GB cap. It's only 3mbit, but I can download big stuff like steam games overnight.

      I also have the option of paying +$10/mo for an unlimited cap, and +$5/mo for 6mbit.*

      *Not available in my town - too many users.

      Right now one of our biggest ISPs (Bell) is trying to get a law passed that will let them charge over $1/GB for over-usage. Their caps are similar to the UK caps you listed, so there'd be a lot of over-usage charges for most of us. I think it's rather lame... :/

    63. Re:Perspective by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

      And the backup feature works well if you have enough blank media handy or, as I've done twice (once as replacing my main desktop with a complete new build, and once just because something had seriously upset chunks of Windows for which a rebuild was the only long term fix) a spare chunk of drive on another machine on the network. Backup to a location that isn't about to be wiped, do your OS rebuild, then reinstall everything from that backup. You still need to separately backup your game saves and other status for most games though, so careful there if there is any progress you care about.

    64. Re:Perspective by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To ensure it is all put in perspective and fit to reality. Downloads limits have absolutely nothing to ensure people can access the bandwidth they are paying for. It is just one huge lie in order to drive up prices via collusion between the major ISPs, the incumbent telecoms.

      For once and for all, bandwidth caps will have zero impact on the peak load times. Those peak load times are purely driven by people attempting to access chronically over sold bandwidth at the same time and have absolutely nothing to do with the total downloads over a month. Point of fact peak down loaders will download by far the bulk of their data in off peak times, simple logical common sense.

      The reason you internet connection turns to crap when you get home and try to use it, is because everybody else is trying to use it at the same time, total downloads over a month hand nothing to do with traffic congestion at peak times. Putting data limits in has much more to do with competitively crippling digital sales distribution companies. Want to sell your own music direct to your customers, well you not going to do it with out paying an ISP tax at anywhere between 20 and 100 percent ie either sell through the telecom and pay them or go out of business (it doesn't matter whether you get your customers to off peak or even try to torrent, the incumbents will kill your business by screwing over potential customers).

      Truth in bandwidth sales should be forced upon the ISP's, if you advertise bandwidth that is what you should be capable of providing at peak times and should not be based on maximum potential localised bandwidth no matter how it is crippled by the reality at regional, national and international levels.

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    65. Re:Perspective by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      In the UK you also eat spotted dick, Marmite, and kneel before an old lady. Your standards are lower.

    66. Re:Perspective by bbn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The boy might be watching something on Netflix in HD

      Ok, say 1 GB

      my brother in law might be watching something on tvshack.com

      That will only be 250 MB

      while my daughter is digging on something on Hulu

      Also only 250 MB

      my wife is downloading a WoW update

      100 MB

      and I'm pulling down a few torrents

      Unspecified, but how many games can you "test" each day? How many movies do you need?
      But I will give you 2 GB daily average on torrenting until MPAA comes busting your ass.

      That adds up to 3.5 GB daily. Or 100 GB monthly.

      250GB/mo ain't gonna cut it.

      Yes it will.

      In my experience the only way to reach such high usage levels is by seeding torrents 24/7, and then you will reach it on your upload - not download.

    67. Re:Perspective by bbn · · Score: 1

      Basic calc for you:

      160÷8÷1000000×3×60×60×24×30 = 155 GB.

      So no, not even that will bust your 250 GB cap.

      It will make the radio unhappy though. They also have to pay for bandwidth.

    68. Re:Perspective by bbn · · Score: 1

      64 Kbit/s stream always on for a month: 64÷8÷1000000×60×60×24×30 = 21 GB/month.

    69. Re:Perspective by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      I checked my modem usage from yesterday. Computer was up for 9 hours, and I watched You tube and was logged into ajax chat on a website. Me, alone, personally - no other downloads , malware or spamware.

      1.2 gigabytes.

      The limit is too low for today's net. Especially since folks like my don't pay for satellite or cable tv anymore and use netflix instead. This is comcast just being peeved at losing more of that pie.

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    70. Re:Perspective by bbn · · Score: 1

      Never said it wasn't. Just that the guy needs to check what his usage levels really are instead of guessing.

      The average usage seems to be about 30 GB/month download and 40 GB/month upload at the apartment complex I live. We got free uncapped 500/500 Mbps internet in all apartments with no restrictions.

      I expect this to go dramatically up when watching TV on the net becomes more popular.

      Watching a 2 Mbit/s TV stream for 8 hours a day 30 days a month is 648 GB/month. In this country the average home has 2.5 TVs. I don't know how many hours a TV is on as an average, but I would think 1000 GB/month on average for TV would not be unrealistic.

      If you upgrade the TV stream to 10 Mbit/s HDTV you can do the math yourself. Multiply with 5.

      But our IP-TV solution uses multicast which changes everything.

    71. Re:Perspective by Moryath · · Score: 1

      What you fail to consider is the amount of overhead "keepalive" traffic. You get charged for all of that, too. Oh, and I hope you aren't trying to telecommute...

    72. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you, alone, claim you used 1.2 GB in a day.

      That means there would have to be seven of you all sharing a single connection before you hit 250 GB in a month. Seven people is an extraordinarily large household.

      Nope, I think 250 GB is just fine for today's internet, thank you very much.

      Additional proof that this really isn't a problem: no normal person doing normal things has ever been cut off for exceeding 250 GB in a month. The only people who have ever run into this limit are serial copyright thieves. That's it. Fact. Sorry if it doesn't tally with your "I should be entitled to everything I want" worldview, but there it is.

    73. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, would you pay oh, say 200 bucks a month for that 5 meg connection? Wholesale pricing to the ISP's run between 15 and 25 dollars per meg, and we've got to maintain the dsl or cable plant to get the data to you, so lets say 100 dollars for the bandwidth, plus, 1/2 that again for maintaining the last mile, and a wee little bit of profit. That'll be $150 for your 5 meg connection. Or if you would like that 30 meg connection with no oversell, lets call it 900 bucks.

      Real bandwidth costs real money, and consumers are not willing to pay, say 50 bucks a month for T1 download speeds. They, and competition demand 6 times those data rates for that price. Net result, ISP's oversell the bandwidth in order to provide a product close to the impossible product that the customer demands.

      If you want to avoid caps, call up your phone company, order a dedicated SDSL line with SLA and bandwidth guarentees. You'll love the service, might not be so crazy about the price. You might also be able to avoid the caps by paying for business level service instead of consumer.

    74. Re:Perspective by jimicus · · Score: 1

      It's a big cap, but I don't think it's necessarily an insanely big cap. Even web browsing can take up a surprising amount of bandwidth these days - most websites gave up trying to accommodate dial-up users in their design some time ago, and turning on Firebug will demonstrate that many even relatively simple pages can easily involve downloading 500k or more. Start using sites like Flickr or YouTube and that will go up very quickly.

      Put a family of four in the house all with their own computers, and I can see it looking a bit tight come the end of the month.

    75. Re:Perspective by cynyr · · Score: 1

      lawl, 100MB wow updates, pre expansion updates or new content ones tend to be nearer 300MB...

      Say the boy watches 2 movies/documentaries, the brother-in-law(not judging here) watches 4-8 per day(he is living with them for a reason), a girl on hulu, hmm bet it's at least 4 shows per day. i'm including increased viewing from the weekends.

      2GB + 2GB-4GB + 1GB + 2GB = 7-9GB/day. 7GB/day*30days = 210GB, even dropping the torrents, you end up at 5-7GB a day like that, and 150GB/210GB a month. Thats not including MS updates, mac updates, itunes updates, flash, IM traffic, skype, ventrillo, normal webrowsing, youtube videos of cats, e-mail, PS3/Xbox/wii updates and traffic, browse deviantart or flickr, or any stock site, and thats a good bit of bandwidth. Also as time goes along, 4kx2k video will become normal, or netflix will add HD3D as an option, doubling the bandwidth. Lots of the youtube videos are showing up in 720P and 1080P, so in the near future i expect amounts of data being moved by my grandma to go up a lot.

      The real issue here is that Comcast is pulling a bait and switch, when the service was signed up for there was no cap now there is, sounds like bait and switch to me. Anyways, comcast has a few options that would have made this more tolerable; build out the network eliminating the need for the cap, only put new/renewing customers on the cap(contract is over, and we renegotiate), set it up so that at 250GB you get half speed or something. The current system seems to have little ability to see how much bandwidth you are currently using and how much you have used this month. Also, how does your bandwidth get effect by say a worm running around the internet pounding away on your firewall? does it count and your traffic? should it?

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    76. Re:Perspective by P-Nuts · · Score: 1

      To offer some perspective, here in the UK we have monthly limits that are most commonly in the 15-30Gb range, with a premium limit of 50Gb being offered by a minority of service providers.

      I'm in the UK, pay £16 a month, and get an 80GB limit. Overnight usage doesn't count to that total, so I can set a large download going before going to sleep.

    77. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What he specified with your data numbers comes out to 1.6gb roughly. For those 2 hours. They probably on average do this twice day and I'm accounting for less time during weekdays and more on weekends. That's 3.2gb. If the person is watching a bunch of Hulu stuff or catching up on a series, or ESPN360, or Crunchyroll, you'll easily top out 5gb a day in a regular sized household. That's 150gb right there.

      Add the torrents, and 5 email accounts, regular web surfing, and work, internet radio, 250gb is easily crushed. I'm single and alone, so I watch movies in the background while working, stream Pandora while doing about 2 hours of yardwork a day, and I have a kludged up download estimator on my router, and I easily top 500mb from news/broker/information web pages alone a day given all the Flash embedded crap. That's not including my CR watching, which easily tops probably a gig a day. And I'm one person.

      That all said, I don't mind the 250gb download limit, as long as I could purchase another line, get that other line to my home AND have the additional cap. My understanding is that in the past, Comcast will still sell you the extra connection, up to 3, but will not up the download cap to 750gb.

      Yes, I have Comcast. Yes, I'm getting Clear. Yes, I hate Comcast.

    78. Re:Perspective by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I have 100 GB of steam backups on my NAS. Comes in handy as I like to play mods and sometimes you'll bork a game modding it.

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    79. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make an awful lot of assumptions. Each of your numbers could easily be doubled or trebled and pass that cap easily. Perhaps you don't understand how the Internet is the new tv for kids and how much time they spend on it. Ps...my last WoW update was nearly a gig....100mb would be nice.

    80. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      7 is extraordinarily large? 5 is close to average for a family. 7 is a little above average. Don't forget that not everyone shares an apartment with a few friends or lives in a small house. It would not be unusual for 4 computers plugging away at our data usage.

    81. Re:Perspective by adolf · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      Your argument relies upon the flawed assumption that folks will only watch exactly one thing per day. It also assumes that I'm torrenting movies and games, instead of some other random Large Things. And, you assume that this is a complete and factual list of everything we do here with Teh Intarwebs, instead of just a concise example.

      Fact is: The boy watches Netflix movies, plural. The brother in law watches things on TV shack, plural. The daughter watches TV shows on Hulu, plural. Some of us run Electric Sheep as a screensaver, which chews up a bunch of bandwidth. All of us get updates for our OS, software, and various devices. I stream my music library to my phone while I'm driving, and I drive a lot: The system I use pre-caches whole 320Kbps albums at once and only keeps them for a short time, so that uses a meaningful amount of bandwidth. Not to mention porn, which I suspect also uses a fair bit of bandwidth for some people here.

      And you forget that on Patch Day, it's best (fastest) to open a port up so WoW can use P2P. Add to that the fact that there's actually three of us here that play the game on different systems, and a 100MB patch can easily use 600MB of bandwidth.

      Plus every other goddamn little thing out there, from weather widgets to Pandora to just reading email, surfing around, and doing whatever it is folks do with a modern Internet-connected PC.

      How much data do we transfer in a month, exactly? I honestly don't know. My provider doesn't make such statistics available to me, and I haven't bothered to set up MRTG to keep track of it since my 6M/1M VDSL is unmetered and without a cap.

      But: If we combine my reality with your math, 250GB just ain't enough. Even if our typical monthly usage does fit within 250GB, the margin will be close enough that there won't be much room for occasional overhead.

    82. Re:Perspective by BlueWaterBaboonFarm · · Score: 1

      Canada basically has only two wireless brands, owned by one company.

      This is false. Bell, Rogers and Telus had very roughly a 1/3 of the market each (source). In major cities you have one or two more options (Dave and Wind).

    83. Re:Perspective by adolf · · Score: 1

      bbn,

      You must live a very simple life, wherein you only ever do one. thing. at. a. time.

      Which is cool, and all. I'm not here to judge. But just because you do one. thing. at. a. time. does not mean that the rest of the world behaves in the same fashion. You should try to look around more often.

    84. Re:Perspective by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A Cable broadband provider imposing bandwidth caps to 'alleviate congestion' is like the DOT trying to fix traffic jams on roads, by lowering speed limits or raising gas prices.

      Yes... as if raising gas prices 50% or capping how much gas you can buy, will reduce congestion during morning rush hour.

    85. Re:Perspective by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I can destroy that 250GB limit in a heartbeat using my preferred video chat program. 100 cameras open at once? Yea, fuck the 250GB cap.

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    86. Re:Perspective by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "In my experience the only way to reach such high usage levels is by seeding torrents 24/7, and then you will reach it on your upload - not download."

      You just don't have the right application. I have Camfrog, I can have 100 webcams open at a time, and depending upon the room settings,bandwidth usage can get pretty heavy if the room is broadcasting using recommended or super mode.

      And I'm on it all the time. I've already had Time Warner call me and ask WTF I was doing.

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    87. Re:Perspective by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Nope, I think 250 GB is just fine for today's internet, thank you very much."

      LOL. Run Camfrog and try saying that again with a straight face, especially if you're a pro user.

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    88. Re:Perspective by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      That is the lie. Imposing caps is like limiting how far a car can drive in a month, now what the flock will that have to do with rush hour traffic, it is rush hour because it is rush "HOUR" not month, not total mileage over a month, not how many pixies you have at the bottom of the garden. So ISPs are simply lying and saying here you go we will sell you your own private 60kph traffic lane and the reality is they are selling you a 5kph during rush hour traffic lane and they know this.

      Caps have absolutely nothing to do with easing congestion during peak load times and I bet you wish you never introduced that car analogy, huh, good idea though, just better for the truth rather than for lie. Caps have everything to do with digital content distribution and being the middle man charging a tax on all transactions and nothing to do with congestion and those ass hats are solidly locked in on creating content distribution monopolies on their networks.

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    89. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, the UK is a fascist police state so go figure. also fascism itself was originally created and exported to europe (as well as the attempt to overthrow FDR), so it's as i'd expect actually...

    90. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I live the only thing I can get is Verizon's moblile broadband, and it has a monthly limit of 5 GB/month.

      http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans&lid=//global//plans//mobile+broadband

      And yes, they do charge for overages, at $0.05/MB

    91. Re:Perspective by DiamondMX · · Score: 1

      To put some perspective on your comment - although there are some ISPs which do have a cap of 15-30, or even 50gb ... there are also quite a few providers who offer a premium service with no cap.
      Zen Internet is a good example - it costs a bloody fortune, but you can download however much you like. If the ISP offends you after, you can also leave with 1 months notice. There is also no secret cap that I am aware of - and I downloaded several hundred gigabytes in some months.
      Virgin's cable service is also uncapped, and it is significantly cheaper, although I don't know if they have an secret cap like some ISPs do.

      The difference between the UKs internet and the US's internet is that the UK has competition, and the US has monopolies and duopolies for service in a given area. We might have to pay more - but you *can* get what you want.

    92. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. You are a hero.

    93. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is the new Bill Gates: "250 GBs ought to be enough for anybody"...

    94. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen a family of four eat through this type of bandwidth *easily*. Your strained notion of reasonable bandwidth usage aside, it's just not how teenagers work. They are happy to run three different bandwidth-sucking things at once, including everything mentioned here and more, and 250GB is just not reasonable.

      Amazing that you want to argue it so much - you're just wrong.

    95. Re:Perspective by makomk · · Score: 1

      the cost to provide IP transit into a datacenter is MUCH lower than it is to provide you a Service Level Agreement of that speed/bandwidth into your home.

      The cost of providing a dedicated server and space, power, and cooling for it as well as IP transit, on the other hand...

    96. Re:Perspective by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

      That's just ridiculously stupid misinformation. Bandwidth is extremely cheap for a large carrier. For cable carriers it constitutes like $1/month/person.

    97. Re:Perspective by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      According to my router, I average around 150 Gb down and 400-600 Gb up traffic per month. What can I say .. I love torrenting .. Linux distributions and keeping them for 6-12 months to provide seeds for people. :)

      Luckily here in Latvia there are no traffic caps.

    98. Re:Perspective by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      You softie, who listens to 160 Kbps streams? 320 kbps all the way! 310 Gb/mo. Thanks!

    99. Re:Perspective by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Gigabits or gigabytes?

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    100. Re:Perspective by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Who gets SLA's to the home? SLA = guarantee, and most (if not all) residential services explicitly state there is no SLA, whatsoever.

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  4. Re:Net neutrality at its best by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nah... this was brought to us by the lack of US Congress imposing regulation on the wire providers.

  5. Doesn't the Geneva Convention say something about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    every citizen having access to HD porn? It just seems unconscionable.

  6. I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sprint is rolling out 4G WiMax. Verizon and AT&T are going LTE. T-Mobile is going HSPA+.

    From what I see, these services have some latency problems, but for anything that isn't realtime such as gaming, these might be a suitable alternative to Comcast.

    Right now, 4G is not widespread but competition is heating up because of Sprint/Clear's rollout. I'm sure that other cellphone companies will be offering similar speeds.

    If it wasn't for the latency, perhaps these services may be a complete replacement for Comcast.

    1. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      The 3G networks that seem to be everywhere cap-out at 5GB... they'd have to raise that by 5000% in order to beat Comcast.

    2. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by BBTaeKwonDo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but Verizon Wireless may not be much help: "Kiss Your Unlimited Data Goodbye: Verizon Wants Tiered Plans with 4G".

    3. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1
      Clear, who is providing 4G services both retail and wholesale via Sprint, has no caps for $55/month for two devices currently.

      http://www.clear.com/

    4. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Sprint/Clear seem to be implying that they won't have a 5 gig limit but I haven't seen an actual promise. Only implications that the 5 gig limit imposed by 3G providers won't be an issue with their 4G service. It's being marketed as a replacement for home broadband which is something that was never done with 3G. I'm cautiously optimistic.

    5. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Right... but a pre-bankruptcy AT&T Wireless (before they were sold to SBC to be part of Cingular, which now calls itself AT&T Mobility) was just starting to roll out spotty GSM, and they had a $99/mo. GSM only unlimited-and-we-mean-it plan. To sales guys in NYC it was great, to the average user it was useless. By the time the national unlimited plans came out, the typical usage restrictions came in.

    6. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Again, right now Clear is in "public beta" more than general release. They want people to max them out so they can figure out where their limits are at this stage, but will they want that in the long term future when the tech is ready to deploy everywhere?

    7. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by mlts · · Score: 1

      Clear is trying to compete with the cable and DSL companies. If they have a 5 GB/month quota, after Joe Sixpack gets his Windows boxes updated, his Adobe CS suite, World of Warcraft, and maybe downloads a DVD or pr0n, that limit would be more than used up, Joe Sixpack would be yelling at the Clear guys, and switching back to cable/DSL.

      I'm sure eventually there will be metered pricing on all ISPs sometime. Lets just hope it doesn't add too much to the monthly bill.

    8. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the fine print moron:
      http://www.clear.com/legal/aup
      "Clearwire, therefore, will monitor both overall network performance and individual resource consumption to determine if any user is consuming a disproportionate amount of available resources and creating the potential to disrupt or degrade the Clearwire network or network usage by others. This process of monitoring both overall network performance and individual resource consumption is consistent with the description of the nature of the Service previously described in this AUP. Clearwire reserves the right to engage in reasonable network management to protect the overall network, including analyzing traffic patterns and preventing the distribution of viruses or other malicious code.
      During periods of congestion, Clearwire uses various techniques such as reducing the data rate of individual bandwidth intensive users whose use is negatively impacting other users. "

      Also, sprint clearly spells out that at 5 GB, they reserve the right to throttle or terminate your service.

    9. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by fermion · · Score: 1

      Right, at $60 a month. People buy Comcast because it cost $100 for cable, phone and internet. Then they complain that limits are put on bandwidth and service sucks. For those that do not need cable, $60 for unlimited internet and $120 for unlimited cell phone is not such a bad deal. Everyone else will have to try to get around the limits.

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    10. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the specs for 4G? It's a pure packet-switched wireless network with target data rates on the order of 100Mbps for mobile devices and 1Gbps for non-mobile devices.

      A 5GB cap is simply insane for a network like that.

    11. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4G is unlimited. It is WiMax, not 3G.

    12. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      The point-to-point link for 1Gbps may be there, but will such networks have the backhaul to handle a bunch of users at full speed all at once?

    13. Re:I'm hoping LTE/HSPA+/WiMax helps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got clear with 3/1 for 30 a month. There is a high latency, but for bulk downloads it works fine. I setup/test/tear-down and repeat a LOT on my virtual WinXP, Vista x86 & x64 all varieties, and Win7 x86 and x64 all varieties. Clear works fine, I am just patient. It would NOT work too well with a family all hitting the net at the same time, but I can manage my usage and make it work ok. You tube works, hulu works. Just got to make sure you are in a good signal area.

  7. bait and switch? by v1 · · Score: 1

    Is this a "bait and switch"? Were the users that signed up for earthlink told there was no cap when they applied?

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    1. Re:bait and switch? by JustinRLynn · · Score: 1

      Fortunately most service providers that I've dealt with will allow you to terminate your contract with them at no penalty if they change the terms of service significantly such that you decide that you can no longer use the service. The big issue is that there's usually some limiting date, like say 30 days from the change to exercise that option. Does anyone know if it's a general thing in the information service industry or if it's specific to just the few carriers I've dealt with?

    2. Re:bait and switch? by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Nope. They're giving slight more than one month's notice to a 100% month-to-month customer base.

    3. Re:bait and switch? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      There was no cap when i purchased my service, then comcast bought the company and changed the rules.

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    4. Re:bait and switch? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should give everyone a 20% discount then. Then again I live in a place where 60GB's is the norm, and with a family of 4 we can burn through it pretty quick.

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  8. FCC, do your damn job. by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stories like this make me increasingly wish the FCC would, indeed, move broadband providers back under common carrier rules. Competition would do wonders here. Though I did find it amusing that their FAQ talked about how 40 HD movies would nearly hit the limit, which I think is a good example of how keeping alternative download services off their network is probably the big motivation here. I highly doubt they apply this cap if you buy Comcast brand movies on demand.

    1. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've always thought that the wire/RF owners should be kept separate from the content owners for exact fear of this happening. Comcast would rather you get your TV delivered by their broadcast frequencies, so they provide good but not great Internet service. Look what AT&T and Verizon are doing without any content ownership.

    2. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      Didn't congress just send a letter telling the FCC to fuck off on this stuff? Telling the FCC to do their job in light of that doesn't seem quite fair. Or was the letter talking about something different related to net neutrality?

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    3. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I just want the right to compete with the carriers. I'll pay my portion to run fiber through my neighborhood and to my home and a monthly access fee if my neighbors will. Most of my data stays within the neighborhood anyway as it goes between my home and office. It already costs a small fortune ($1000+/mo on top of $1000's to install) for our 7Mb fiber line to the office anyway so why not shell out a little more for decent bandwidth and no stupid rules. Have been considering setting up a good wifi mesh, with free public access, on my own dime around my neighborhood anyway but fiber would be cool too. I use Roku for Netflix's streaming movies so I also suspect a lot of their limits are imposed more to stop competition than anything else.

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    4. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by westlake · · Score: 1

      Stories like this make me increasingly wish the FCC would, indeed, move broadband providers back under common carrier rules.

      They never were under common carrier rules.

    5. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by yenne · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt they apply this cap if you buy Comcast brand movies on demand.

      I'm no cable apologist, but in all fairness they probably also wouldn't apply the cap if everyone was paying movies on demand pricing times 40 for the same bandwidth.

    6. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly Verizon doesn't seem to have any caps that I'm aware of. They also aren't content owners. Funny that.

    7. Re:FCC, do your damn job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nationalize infrastructure. Privatize services. Subsidize essential services.

  9. Bait And Switch by mindbrane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in a metropolitan area with one cable provider and a dsl provider. A few years ago, short on cash, I discovered I could sign up for a six month special with the cable provider (1/2 price), then at the end of 6 months opt out before the full price kicked in. The telco offered a similar 1/2 price, 6 month deal with an opt out at the end of the 6 month period. The good part was both providers allowed me to sign up for another 1/2 price deal after I'd been off their service for 6 months. I played one off the other for about 18 months. It's a bit off topic in terms of bandwidth but if you're getting screwed by the big guys (and you are) you might see if you can play one provider off another in a similar fashion. just thought it might help anyone penny pinching.

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  10. 8 gigabytes a day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ought to be enough for anyone!

  11. Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by e9th · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to TFA, they won't notify if you approach the limit, and the only way to find out your current usage is to call them. Now that's handy.

    1. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      grkellm comes with a bandwidth meter.

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    2. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

      ifconfig eth0 | grep bytes # probably not as accurate, especially if there's any LAN-only traffic on the interface...

    3. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I use eth1 you insensitive clod.

      Eth0 goes only to the iscsi network.

    4. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by Itninja · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you use Comcast (at least directly), you have a meter:
      https://customer.comcast.com/Secure/UsageMeterDetail.aspx
      Not sure if EL allows that though.

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    5. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The third party firmware that you hopefully put on your router will tell you exactly how much you use.

    6. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by e9th · · Score: 1

      More important is how much Earthlink claims I've used.

    7. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Cool, thanks for the link! Looks like I'm averaging around 120 gigs a month.

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    8. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 1

      That counter rolls over periodically, and resets when you turn the computer off, iirc.

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    9. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ifconfig eth0 | grep bytes # probably not as accurate, especially if there's any LAN-only traffic on the interface...

      Be careful with this for certain 32-bit kernels: It overflows and starts over at 4GB.

    10. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Doesn't work for me. I get to my "Users & Settings" tab/page, but there's no usage info anywhere to be found...

    11. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by koick · · Score: 2, Informative

      I logged in and didn't see the usage information, so I entered a chat with one of them. She informed me that if you don't see it on your User page that it's not available in your area. She said, "We have just launched the usage meter and we are doing our best to have this accessed by all users". I find this ironic since I live within the city limits of the sixth largest city in the US, and, get this, it's the HEADQUARTERS of Comcast.

    12. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comes with most Linux distros already.

      Windows users are SOL, however.

    13. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      Yep, and is available for FreeBSD via ports.

      I know. *plays world's smallest violin*

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    14. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      It does indeed - I believe the roll over point on any modern Linux kernel is 2^64 bytes.

      Let me know when you've downloaded that much.

    15. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by cynyr · · Score: 1

      single computer only, and doesn't count stuff that gets filtered out but "iptables -j DROP".

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    16. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "If you use Comcast (at least directly), you have a meter:"

      No, you SHOULD have a meter. But like most things with Comcast, it works for some people or it's broken for others, so Comcast says "that's good enough.".

      I have Comcast, am now accessing directly from my home through a Comcast rented cable modem, I pay my bill via my online Comcast account, and I can't access the meter. I can even search for download meter and see the FAQ section, but the link you supplied does not work for me, and the information in the FAQ doesn't appear on my account page whatsoever.

      In fact, where it says it should be, it tells me to sign in again (I'm already signed in, I can pull up my bill). Then again, there's lots of stuff broken on my accounts pages that I've contact them about, and they don't care to look into or fix. I'm simply glad I can pay my bill online for free for now (given I don't have checks, the Comcast office is a 1/2 hour away, and they now charge for phone payments automated or more if you use a CS rep).

      For me, this is typical Comcast business as usual. Plain, simple stuff simply *does not work*. They do not test their pages, their pages are usually redirected or insecure or popover JS or Flash crap, and it's generally poorly written crap that doesn't work or at that very least isn't well tested, like paying your bill (can't access the one-time payment bottom of the screen; I have to select with the copy function to scroll). It's like providing feedback to that Rick person under Contact Us. Can't send the form in because they didn't test it under certain Opera browsers (I can contact Rick using IE8, Firefox, but not Opera). (And yes, I've contacted Rick about the very problem his form 1.5 years ago using other browsers, they've never fixed it.)

      The meter may work for you. I'm not disputing that. But the meter does not work for me, as I've been interested in quite some time what my download usage is, given I get huge slowdowns at late night on Comcast's network, and have been generally interested in my download amount given Comcast's announced quota 1-2 years ago now.

    17. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 1

      Well, in 2.6.33 (relatively modern, didn't check newer versions) Rx and Tx are stored in the struct net_device_stats (/include/linux/netdevice.h), both as unsigned longs. On 32 bit computers that is (IIRC) a 32bit int =4 Gig, far less than 250 Gig we are talking about.

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    18. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      It does only single computer, but if you put a machine in front of your router, bam. Meter the whole network.

      I didn't know that it only picks up what iptables doesn't filter. That could be an issue but I'm sure there is a way around that.

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    19. Re:Couldn't they at least provide a meter? by NateTech · · Score: 1

      That actually explains it nicely. HQ is usually the first network built, and the last to get upgraded later on. Think about it.

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  12. So? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just checked my Comcast usage. I practically live on the internet. Here's my usage:

    15 GB so far this month.

    17 GB for April

    22 GB for March

    15 GB for February

    On the list of things I'm going to spend the effort to care about, people who have trouble with a 250 GB cap is far enough down the list I'm afraid I'll never get around to it.

    1. Re:So? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Where can you check your Comcast usage? Do they provide a web interface?

    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used that much in the last 6 hours. Learn to internet.

    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similarly, I have 120G limit. The maximum amount I've used so far was in March @37G. Average month is about 20G.

    4. Re:So? by Almandine · · Score: 1

      Yes, just sign into your account at comcast.com.

    5. Re:So? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Awesome, thanks.

    6. Re:So? by noidentity · · Score: 1

      So? I have a 384kbps/128kbps connection, and I use a fraction of the bandwidth you do. I think nobody should complain even if they lower the cap to 1 GB per month. My logic is that it wouldn't affect me, therefore it shouldn't affect anyone reasonable, since I am reasonable and surf web pages throughout the day.

    7. Re:So? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I take it that you don't watch much video or listen to Internet radio. 15GB means you only use 0.5GB/day. I get through almost that much just having a 128Kb/s Internet radio stream on for about 8 hours a day. Watching one show on iPlayer can use that much again - more for a film, and a lot more if I watch the HD streams. 250GB is still a lot more than I use, but your usage is very low for someone who practically lives on the Internet.

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    8. Re:So? by Itninja · · Score: 2, Informative
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    9. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you never use Hulu.

      Cause in my house, we have a Playstation 3, 2 computers and both computers have Hulu going on them plenty cause for the most part, we never have time to watch anything on TV when it comes on so Hulu is a great alternative to that unless we want to use torrents. And when you use your computer for your TV, your usage shoots up substantially.

    10. Re:So? by Itninja · · Score: 1

      I watch several HD streaming movies every week, download any number of Windows service packs/Linus distros for work, and of course do lots and LOTS of casual surfing and gaming. I have Comcast 50Mbps and rarely even get to 50% of my cap.

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    11. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the list of things I'm going to care about, people who don't use much bandwidth are pretty far down the list. Why were you posting again?

    12. Re:So? by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Informative

      And I just downloaded 6 GB today alone. All video files from independent producers. I could download a hell of a lot more, too. It's not difficult to blow past a 120 GB limit legitimately, especially if you do something like netflix on demand. Hell, if I had netflix-on-demand, I'd probably blow past 250 GB without trying, and still have 2 weeks left in the month.

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    13. Re:So? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Do you use your Internet to telecommute, stream (legal Netflix) movies, for VoIP, etc? I get more than 15GB of email a month.

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    14. Re:So? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Today, it's the 250 giggers. Tomorrow, 200. They will ALWAYS try to reduce the impact of the most prolific users. If they manage to get 99.9% of their customers under 250 gigs, they'll drop the limit to 200 gigs. Then 150. Then 100.

      Meanwhile, maybe you start streaming HD movies from Netflix and watch your favorite TV shows on Hulu instead of paying $15/month for your DVR. Your 15-22 gigs a month starts going up. Eventually, your increased usage will meet their decreased level of acceptable use. Next thing you know, we'll be like Australia or England.

    15. Re:So? by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I'll have to email Comcast. Even after simply logging in, I get taken to the Manage My User Account section with no "My Devices" area (or meter).

    16. Re:So? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

      A 250GB cap that will NEVER EVER get raised. It seems like a lot now but I can still remember buying a 90 MEGA byte hard drive for hundreds of dollars and being astonished by it's size. I copied ever disc I owned to it and declared I'd never need another drive. Comcasts limit is there for one very nasty reason. Soon we will stream HD strait to your home. This is a cap that will prevent you from watching that stream. That's why its there. To prevent you from having choice. They want to retain their monopoly.

    17. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So an average of 20 GB a month? Thats not living on the internet. Thats a weekend home. Use Netflix streaming, listen to live internet radio or use Hulu instead of cable TV and you can double or even triple your bandwidth usage instantly.

    18. Re:So? by tabrisnet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just this [calendar] month, my flatmate and I have the following stats:

          - Roku: # me, Netflix & Amazon VoD
                          in: 46.67GB 46667040679
                          out: 373.73MB 373734958
          - skuld: # flatmate. anime, Netflix & iTunes
                          in: 43.16GB 43164082021
                          out: 1.61GB 1613538080
          - mimir: # both, mostly me this month. Linux ISOs & anime
                          in: 29.17GB 29172312574
                          out: 549.06MB 549057857
          - total: # other stuff is included in this, I wanted to only highlight the biggest numbers.
                  in: 131.38GB 131377255738
                  out: 10.67GB 10672545785

      And we've done more, mostly a lot more Netflix. the Roku can only download legal content, and 100GB isn't _hard_. I could put on another 30G this weekend (3 day weekend).

    19. Re:So? by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      I nearly went over with Steams Christmas sale!

    20. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed

      may 38 gb so far
      apr 44 gb
      mar 25 gb

    21. Re:So? by kumanopuusan · · Score: 1

      I get more than 15GB of email a month.

      Assuming that you read constantly, don't sleep, eat or perform any useful work, you have a theoretical maximum of (31 * 24 * 60 =) 44640 minutes to read email every month. Assuming that you can read 1000 wpm and that the average number of bytes per word in a plain text message is 20, you could still only read (44640 minutes * 1000 wpm * 20 bytes per word =) 851 MB per month.

      You're just wasting bandwidth because you have it available, there's nothing practical or ordinary about it.

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    22. Re:So? by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      I get more than 15GB of email a month.

      You're using email for something other than what it's intended, if you get that much email each month.

      Seriously.

    23. Re:So? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Why would you read all your email? Most of it is there in case there is a problem so I can do a search, find all the records, and pull up the data. Also systems, and other people, email me a lot of non-text data. Just because you live in 1995 doesn't mean everybody does.

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    24. Re:So? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      i'm sure verizon is going to be THRILLED at that. start rolling out FIOS in the middle of comcast territory and let their customers revolt, and even if comcast raises or removes caps in FIOS areas the surrounding areas are going to be pissed as well.

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    25. Re:So? by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd be hosed as most of the TV I watch is HD from the Internet.

      The thing that gets me is that they'd rather ban someone from their service for a year (a roughly $600 per subscriber loss) than allow them to use more than 250 GBs a month. Doesn't seem right to me.

    26. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you're demonstrating what should not be done with the internet. Waste of bandwidth.

    27. Re:So? by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Maybe but that's how real people use email. Try asking the average Joe to use an anonymous FTP dropbox to send you a file. Yeah it's not going to happen without a lot of pain and effort. Even for developers it's often easier to have systems send an email rather than doing 'better' things. Or like myself they do it the better way and then send an email too as a backup system. You can never have to much redundancy when it comes to data.

      Email is a suck set of protocols left over from the days of the dinosaurs but most people have learned to use it reasonably well. What they need to do is re-engineer email to work the way real people want to use it. I can't believe anybody really likes the internals of how email works anyway. I've set up a more than a few mail servers and it isn't pretty; which is why now I host my email on Google Apps.

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    28. Re:So? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      You sir, severely underestimate the power of my aunt, who has a tendency to forward EVERY rumor, story, hoax, scam, slide show, pdf, zip, and jpeg file she ever receives to me. YOU may write your e-mails in plain text, but she would have NO problems ensuring that 15GB of e-mail lands in my inbox every month.

    29. Re:So? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 1

      You get 10 times as many emails a month as I've gotten in the last ~7 years.

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    30. Re:So? by kumanopuusan · · Score: 1

      I don't have any illusions about the possibility of email being used to store everything, only doubts about the appropriateness of doing so. Transmitting and storing independent copies of every conceivable file and piece of information means that information can't be updated, deleted or managed efficiently.

      If you're storing files, use a file system. If you need to store normalized data and have consistent access to it, use a database. Email was not designed with either purpose in mind.

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    31. Re:So? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      One ~40 minute TV show on itunes is 1.5GB - at only 720p and that's on the edge of acceptable quality with macro-blocking and loss of detail in scenes that are 'hard' to encode.

      You may not give a crap about the cap, but you are an old and boring fuddite who apparently has no interest beyond the status quo.

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    32. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Checking the usage for my household (2 mid-twenties tech professionals):

      February: 209GB
      March: 268GB (oops!)
      April: 221GB
      May: 197GB (so far)

      This is with a moderate amount of torrenting and video steaming from places like Hulu and Netflix. Not really hard to hit the cap at all with fairly normal (for /. atleast) use.

    33. Re:So? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      In about 1998 we had unlimited cable.

      In the turn of the century Telstra imposed an "acceptable use policy" without defining what was acceptable. Through trial an error people found it to be in the 60-90GB range

      After 2-3 years Tesltra introduced a 3GB limit and charged people a few cent per MB that went over.

      After a few more years the ACCC slapped them quite hard and they reluctantly offered a 10GB plan and charged people for it.

      After a few more years someone noticed that they were selling ADSL plans below what they were charging other carriers to leas the line. The ACCC slapped them hard and some competition started.

      With the introduction of ADSL2 and hardware from other telecom companies and the ACCC ruling that Telstra was not allowed to charge stupid amounts to ISPs who install their own DSLAMs in exchangers, we are now back at 150GB plans.

      This may not be on the list of priorities for you, and it wasn't on the list of priorities for us 10 years ago either. We did nothing and watched our service slowly increase in price and yet erode in quality to the point where it would be unusable in todays terms. (3GB would disappear in one afternoon at my place). In the last few years we have seen the rise of youtube, we have seen the introduction of high definition video, and a slow move from craptacular quality on youtube to 480p + 720p encoded videos.

      You're using 15-20GB per month today. Will you still be using 15-20GB in 5 years? Will Comcast still offer you the very very generous 250GB limit in 5 years?

    34. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be young or stupid. Back in the day you had to pay per hour for internet, a cap which would never be broken. Then magicly we had to pay by the month for unlimited time.
      Once the 250gb cap starts affecting normal people that don't spend 24/7 streaming stuff from the internet the cap will be raised.

    35. Re:So? by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      Australia isn't that bad anymore. Midrange plans have gone from 15GB a few years ago to 60GB at the same price point, which few people go over.

      From the sounds of things, the reality in the US is that the amount of traffic from a small minority of people has increased beyond what the infrastructure can take. A cap is a better option for 99% of people, since they won't be affected by it. Why should everyone have a price hike to pay for upgrades that they never needed and do not want?

    36. Re:So? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      You are happy paying $50 for 15GB? You don't even need cable internet.

    37. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living on the internet doesn't have to involve juvenile traffic such as movies, music and WoW.

    38. Re:So? by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I'll have to email Comcast. Even after simply logging in, I get taken to the Manage My User Account section with no "My Devices" area (or meter).

      Or maybe you don't want to if no devices effectively means they are unable to meter what your usage is, so it's always unlimited.

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    39. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just checked my Comcast usage. I practically live on the internet. Here's my usage:

      15 GB so far this month.

      I've blown through that much in this week alone. That's still not a 250/mo rate, but looking at last month's figures I came pretty darn close (219).

      On the list of things I'm going to spend the effort to care about, people who have trouble with a 250 GB cap is far enough down the list I'm afraid I'll never get around to it.

      So anyone who isn't a lightweight user like yourself, just screw them? Nice attitude.

    40. Re:So? by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      Today, it's the 250 giggers. Tomorrow, 200. They will ALWAYS try to reduce the impact of the most prolific users.

      I suspect they don't actually have a problem with people doing just 250GB/month. I suspect they have a problem with the long tail of outliers using 1-2 TB/month, which is what you get with a runaway process saturating the link. Honestly, 250 GB seems like a pretty reasonable warning point, where it might be time to check with the user and see whether they're even aware that their computer is saturating the link 24/7. I suspect that most cases would be malware or P2P running without an upload throttle: easy things to fix that may even improve the user's internet experience.

    41. Re:So? by cynyr · · Score: 1

      now add in a wife and 2 kids... 4x your usage.

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    42. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Back in the day you had to pay per hour for internet.

      Yes because then you had to, you know, DIAL IN with an phone modem. Not so today with majority of Internet users.

      > Once the 250GB cap starts affecting normal people that dont spend 24/7 streaming stuff from the internet the cap will be raised.

      Soon, streaming stuff 24/7 over the net will be normal. And you would think that the cap would be raised. Not so. If anything it will be _lowered_.

      Why? So the incumbent teleco&cablecos can oversubscribe more of the same bandwidth to the backbone.

  13. In Further Perspective by The+Altruist · · Score: 1, Insightful

    250GB a month is the equivalent of one dual-layer DVD a day. 3 Terabytes a year. Some of us get by on 5GB monthly. Seriously, what DO YOU DO WITH THAT? Or did Avenue Q already provide that answer?

    1. Re:In Further Perspective by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      5GB a month is ok as long as you exclude video, music, flash (nothing of value is lost) and any software updates/live cds that month. 250GB is still a lot of bandwidth most likely someone watching video/downloading dvds several hours a day. It is doable if you're addicted to visual media. (eg. otakus)

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    2. Re:In Further Perspective by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Other posters have pointed out that it takes about 4 household members addicted to video. Perhaps a family trip to Internet Addictions Anonymous is in their next vacation plan.

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  14. I'd love a 250GB cap by V50 · · Score: 1

    Two months ago my (terrible) ISP decided that the contract we signed was a one way deal, and went from having no bandwidth cap to putting a 20 GB cap on us, with no way to purchase a higher limit. This is beyond asinine, as we are a family of six people, and a 20GB limit is tiny for six people, especially as the usage they claim we use is around twice as much as I measure us using. They probably base it on an assumed 1-2 people. *sigh* I'd kill for a 250GB cap.

    I'd love to change, but this is, literally, the only available carrier here. Vote with your wallet my ass.

    What makes me the most angry, is how we signed a contract with them for a certain service, then they arbitrarily decide that their contract only applies to us, and they can change the terms all they want.

    And yes, I know just because I have a crappy cap, doesn't make a bigger one okay. I just felt like complaining anyway.

    1. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by tweak13 · · Score: 1

      What makes me the most angry, is how we signed a contract with them for a certain service, then they arbitrarily decide that their contract only applies to us, and they can change the terms all they want.

      If you really look at the fine print in the contract, I'm sure it says exactly that.

    2. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by V50 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm sure it does too, but that still doesn't make it any less stupid.

    3. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by satoshi1 · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but get a lawyer?

    4. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      If you thought they gave you a binding contract, you were wrong. They had you sign a service agreement which is quite different. They offered you terms of service which are subject to change at any time and you accepted their terms.

      No business is going to give a consumer (or even another business) a contract that commits them to anything unless there is no other option. And then, it will take six months to negotiate the contract between the lawyers and cost $10,000. Hardly practical for most things.

      So what you get is a service agreement which commits them to nothing and commits you to nothing besides paying the bill for an agreed upon length of time. You might think it is some kind of contract, but it isn't.

    5. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by Nqdiddles · · Score: 1

      I'm hearing you. I feel lucky to have an 80GB cap while paying roughly US$100 a month for it.

      But I live in Australia, so I'll just have to keep dreaming of fantasies like a 250GB cap...

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    6. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by jack2000 · · Score: 1

      Woah you westerners (and australians) really have a problem. I get NO bandwidth caps and great internet service for ~$10 USD. That's ~6 mb/s up AND down. I live in Europe by the way.
      How did YOU allow this to happen to you people?

    7. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There must be others like you, organize and sue the bastards or find alternatives as a group. At least you can get them some bad press. I hate how companies think that a contract only applies to other people, judges often don't agree. Have someone look at it.

    8. Re:I'd love a 250GB cap by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      All of our data has to cross the Pacific. Every time a link to the US goes live my quota normally gets bumped by ten or fifteen gigabytes/month.

  15. 250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

    When I was on comcast I used to download torrents 24-7 - never even came close to hitting that.

    1. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Yep, the people who are most likely to get hit with this are people who are uploading content, copyrighted or not, using workarounds. If you really want to push out your podcast, get a cloud services account for about $50/mo. and you'll have a much more reliable system and all the bandwidth you need.

    2. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then you had jackshit for bandwidth. My math might be off, but 250GB 24/7 per month is like a constant 100 kb/s.

    3. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by the_humeister · · Score: 2, Funny

      My connection is 150 kB/s on AT&T DSL. Honestly, I don't even need anything that fast. That was the slowest and cheapest thing I could get.

    4. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by Snover · · Score: 1

      250 (GB / month) = 797.473874 kilobits / second

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    5. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by eulernet · · Score: 1

      Of course, it is impossible to reach with your 64Kb/s connection.

      Imagine that there are people with faster connections.

      Seriously, this is equivalent to downloading 2 DVDs every day, or 12 Blurays every month.
      I guess this is possible with torrent seeding, but I doubt any sane guy is able to look at 2 movies every day.

    6. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BD rips are typically 6 to 8gb and only insane people would download the complete original rip. Unless you are doing something moronic like authoring a rip.

      I don't really care to download content with such horribly high numbers because of several reasons.

      It's completely silly given exactly how long the content will remain useful. 1 - 2 viewings and the content generally gets deleted. It also means it will take just that much longer to acquire the completed version. Finally, it's like waving a big red flag when I really want to be mixed in the crowd.

      So even normal rips I could easily pull 25 of them and still use the same amount of traffic I normally use.

      250GB caps are for the retards and bot owners.

    7. Re:250 gb is a shit ton of data though.... by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      You had a connection slower than 96.45 kbps?

  16. do what you will. by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

    People want bandwidth, and people want speed.

    from the point of view of a wire technician, I'm happy to announce that I have the solution! I'll run you a wire from wherever you want, to wherever you want! all YOU have to do is pay for the materials, licenses for disturbing public ground, licenses for using common utility poles, licenses for crossing property not owned by you, and minimum wage for my time, and I'll happy provide you a connection uncapped with as much bandwidth as you could ever want, while I hand you a SLA stating that fact.

    then I'll get your home, and likely everything you own in trade to cover even a portion of the bill.

    as much as we may not like over subscription and the general lack of bandwidth, it's a fact of life that these systems cost huge amounts of money to install, maintain, and peer. hell, the material cost along to get your packet from your property line to the local loop is in the hundreds here in canada. and that won't even get you a finished jack in a new home!

    1. Re:do what you will. by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

      They make use of existing infrastructure. Infrastructure that was paid for by tax money. When providers use infrastructure paid for by them exclusively, then your argument will carry more weight with me. As long as existing infrastructure is used that was paid for by government subsidy, I'm not gonna be too moved by talk of how expensive it is.

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    2. Re:do what you will. by Jaime2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, the ISPs in the US are providing all the bandwidth they can for the money collected. That's why we are #1 in the world for broadband penetration... oh, wait.

    3. Re:do what you will. by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      you must be american, where your government whether you like it or not, built the foundations of the internet.

      as much as you may not like having had your tax dollars spent on something as monumental as the internet, (and I'll admit, it is OLD for the most part) the money you invested benefited the world in ways most people will never imagine. just think, the 2-3 thousand dollars in taxes you've paid in your life time towards this cause, has provided a larger impact on the face of this earth than most any development in the last hundred years.

      like buying a cell phone or a car, being the first kid on the block with the newest toys and gadgets does have it's drawbacks in the long run.

      and to be completely honest, it's your mentality that's holding them back. if every american would be willing to take a 1% tax increase for broadband spending, the nation could roll out one of the fastest broadband networks in the world, spanning hundreds of 100Gb links across the entire country.

      countries like japan didn't have to watch and see what kind of technology they'd need, they just spent taxpayers dollars on established equipment from american development firms. they spent their tax money on fast lines and big equipment. america spent it's money on paying people to come up with the stuff.

      when the american public stands back and admits that the money they need to spend transcends what any single "broadband access" company will ever make, people will realize that governments handing those lines to telco's was one of the best things to ever happen.

    4. Re:do what you will. by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      they're doing a pretty good job, given the existing politics in the industry. it costs a lot to keep f'in exec's on beaches.

      gah. I'm so sick of dealing with the politics. every time you ask somebody to get you a new 10GbE link run from the san to the production grid, you have twenty people breathing down your neck trying to buy the other 60% of the time, and 98% of the bandwidth.

    5. Re:do what you will. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      as much as you may not like having had your tax dollars spent on something as monumental as the internet

      He didnt say that he didnt like it. He said that the infrastructure is already paid for by an entity other than the ISP, and as such the "infrastructure costs money" excuse isnt a justification for the ISP to charge a high monthly fee, or to limit service to something unusable.

      In the case of cable internet, the coax has been there for over 40 years and right now today that same coax can carry 60+ megabits. Yet here we are with most of us at less about 10% of that or less, and the ISP's are crying poverty all-the-while taking in money like it grew on trees.

      The company in TFA is Comcast, who in 2009 handled over 35 billion dollars in revenue while profits were over 20 billion dollars. These guys are profiting 57% of revenue for fuck sakes, and are doing so while leveraging an infrastructure paid for not out of their own pocket, but instead paid for by the government... and on top of it all, they enjoy regulatory protections against competition. Its fucking criminal.

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  17. Alternate perspective. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

    That's retarded. I download single files larger than 50GB.

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    1. Re:Alternate perspective. by sconeu · · Score: 1

      WTF are you downloading???

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    2. Re:Alternate perspective. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Frequently virtual machine images. Sometimes big chunks of data by themselves but I like to store the data with all the tools needed to work with it.

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    3. Re:Alternate perspective. by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      Hey man, I do exactly the same thing... just saying, if you're not already piping those through gzip or bzip2, please do so from now on :).

    4. Re:Alternate perspective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lzma would probably be significantly better for this.

    5. Re:Alternate perspective. by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Usually a lot of it is compressed. I often use a filesystem type that is compressed for these. Might squeeze a bit out by compressing the whole thing but it usually isn't a big issue.

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  18. Limits are stupid by kiljoy001 · · Score: 1

    Personally, if ISP's in the united states are going back to the early 1990's with bandwidth caps, and on top that of traffic inspection based on what they deem acceptable, the internet is going to be a dull boring place like television is these days (disclaimer: I do not watch television). True most people today will not use that kind of bandwidth, but folks like myself do use enormous amounts of it. It irritates me that companies will quickly cut off high usage users and not offer some kind of reasonable pricing structure knowing they have users that do consume that much. People such as I, would gladly pay for an all you can eat service at a reasonable cost instead of just saying - 250 that's it. Even worse they fail to give users proper tools to determine how much they are using so they can self moderate, allowing them to cast off customers they don't want: people that use the service to the fullest, consuming bandwidth that they may have over sold. Sure it's not as bad as using cellphone based access but hot damn bandwidth limits are annoying (and stupid).

  19. Subsidized Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious what is the difference in US vs UK with respect to the amount each goverment (ie taxpayers) has subsidized the broadband infrastructure.

    I understand that following a tradition of telecommunioations subsidies, 90s fiber optic delpoyments had a substantial helping hand.

    Limiting broadband in the US would be akin to adding tolls to the interstate system that was build and is maintained largely by tax funds.

    1. Re:Subsidized Perspective by Anarki2004 · · Score: 1

      Limiting broadband in the US would be akin to adding tolls to the interstate system that was build and is maintained largely by tax funds.

      Yeah...that kind of already happened. I pay toll every time I need to use the interstate.

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    2. Re:Subsidized Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI a large swatch of I80 through Indiana and a few other states *IS* tolled. I went through there back in 2000, and must've spent 40+ dollars on 'toll' sections of I80. And I thought roads were paid for with tax dollars too, hah!

  20. In a related development... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MSDN today sent me an e-mail asking if they can stop sending me DVD shipments because it's all available online. Sorry, not while I'm subject to this. :)

    1. Re:In a related development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the MSDN sub would cost less if you chose that, since they don't have to ship them anymore. Oh goody, the environment, children and terrorism, the best excuses of all time.

    2. Re:In a related development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really??!? MSDN, even premium subscription, sends you maybe 2-4 DVDs a *month*. That's about 5-15G of new/updated content, and mostly this boils down to maybe 3G/mo of content remotely important to any area of development.

      At least don't bullshit about stuff that is not remotely relevant.

    3. Re:In a related development... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sucks for you. I'm on DSL and I don't get them. Then again... I don't get MSDN either. Disturbing. But I do download allot of ISO GNU/Linux distributions. Which is the equivalent and other stuff.

    4. Re:In a related development... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about normal MSDN, but MSDN: Academic Alliance (MSDN for college students) gives you "free" (i.e. your school pays for it with your tuition) downloads but charges you directly for CDs. I'd imagine that normal MSDN works the same way.

  21. it;s about time CSN Phlly comes to directv ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it;s about time CSN Phlly comes to directv !

  22. Why we need high caps (or no caps) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have high speed, uncapped internet.

    It is very common (several times a week) scenario that I'm in the middle of some 6 hours long video chat through Skype while streaming background music through spotify while I have some big download (such as the latest image of some linux distro) going on and while exchanging youtube links and what not in the said chat while having apache and filezilla running in the background... The list goes on (without even needing to mention the bittorrent). And what is important here: Two things. First of all, I never need to worry about my connection. I never need to think "Uhh... Can I start this download in the middle of this video chat?" or anything like that. I just use internet and my connection is entirely transparent to me. And that is great, even if I don't need it's full capabilities. In fact, it is great just because I know that I won't be using the connection to the fullest!

    And the more important thing? This would have been impossible a decade ago. A lot of the services I use couldn't even have existed like that or I couldn't have had this kind of browsing habits that time ago. But as internet connection speeds got higher, people developed services more suitable for high speed internet, which caused ISPs to offer higher speeds, which caused developpers to... etc. So if the internet connections improve at a fast rate, a decade from now we'll have services and browsing habits that we can't even imagine now. But if the internet connections won't improve constantly, some developer somewhere will get a great idea, then realize "Uh... That would take too much bandwith. It's not practical" and we will never get such services.

  23. I transfer 200gb a week... by iamhassi · · Score: 1

    "To offer some perspective, here in the UK we have monthly limits that are most commonly in the 15-30Gb range"

    To add some perspective, here in the US I transfer ~200gb a week, and since April 28th just one of the three always-on PCs transferred a upload/download combined 602gb. That's the media server, which transcodes video delivered from Hulu and Netflix through PlayON so it's viewable on the TV through a XBMC. I cancelled my TV service nearly 3 years ago and have been relying on downloaded and streaming media ever since.

    Even my regular PC, which I use for email, web and occasional Youtube video averages 70gb a month.

    If I was limited to 250gb a month I could not watch Hulu or Netflix and would have to closely monitor my Youtube usage. I would also have to install flash and ad blocking software to prevent any banner ads from appearing which hurts the websites I love.

    Glad I have Charter.

    Want to easily monitor your usage for free? Install Netmeter

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    1. Re:I transfer 200gb a week... by Cylix · · Score: 1

      I actually watch a lot of hulu and netflix.

      However, even with that and several other downloads I still do not even come remotely close to 200gb a week. I also watch netflix nightly.

      The compression even on HD resolutions is still fairly conservative in regards to bandwidth concerns.

      Though you reference a good deal of local network traffic. I don't believe you are accurately measuring your upstream/downstream bandwidth.

      ie, if you are rating at the nic with playon transmitting mpeg2 encoded streams to a dlna service it would rate much higher then the actual flv download.

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    2. Re:I transfer 200gb a week... by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      "Though you reference a good deal of local network traffic. I don't believe you are accurately measuring your upstream/downstream bandwidth."

      True, the upload might be mostly transferring from PC to XBMC, but being a media server it mostly downloads it's all of it's content from the website and the download alone is 367 GiB this past month, far more than Comcast's allowed 250gb. Also of note netmeter measures in GiB, which is 2^30 or ~1.074 GB, rather than GB, defined as 10^9 or 1,000,000,000 bytes.

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    3. Re:I transfer 200gb a week... by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Which was purchased by Comcast after they went bankrupt."

      -1, Inaccurate

      No, Charter Communications was not bought by Comcast

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    4. Re:I transfer 200gb a week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, yeah - you really don't want to be measuring bandwidth on the local interface. This usually can outmeasure WAN traffic by a factor of 10 or more.

      I have to second the GP. I can watch 10 1-2Hr HD Netflix movies and not top 20GB. Depends on download rate, OFC -- but Netflix is heavily compressed (and stripped for audio).

    5. Re:I transfer 200gb a week... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To add some perspective, here in the US I transfer ~200gb a week, and since April 28th just one of the three always-on PCs transferred a upload/download combined 602gb. That's the media server, which transcodes video delivered from Hulu and Netflix through PlayON so it's viewable on the TV through a XBMC. I cancelled my TV service nearly 3 years ago and have been relying on downloaded and streaming media ever since.

      So you're effectively using Hulu to create your own personal TV service, sucking up packet bandwith for content that the cable provider offers by multicast. This strikes me as one of the major "abuses" that Comcast is trying to discourage by capping usage. 200 GB is about 30 full length, HD movies. Assuming you don't actually watch 60 hours of TV-over-internet each week, your media server is downloading, transcoding, and discarding a lot of stuff.

      It's not your responsibility to see that the cable company makes money off you. You have every right to get as much value as you can within the terms of your service contract, and if that contract lets you consume 2.5 TB/month of traffic, then good for you. Your neighbors may hate you for consuming 95% of the neighborhood bandwidth, but good for you, anyway. Likewise, you shouldn't be surprised if the provider recognizes that they're losing money and changes the terms of the contract so they can stay in business. If the terms Comcast is making Earthlink enforce are really onerous to people, they'll find another provider and Comcast will go back to losing money and will revise their ToS again, in hopes of maximizing their profit.

  24. Just Get Business by Omniscientist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After discovering a local ISP wasn't able to service my apartment appropriately, I ended up getting Comcast Business class. You get a lot for a pittance of additional cost (~$20 / month more than residential around here).

    One thing that's very different is the support. The support is phenomenally better. You call the phone number, and in seconds a knowledgeable person who is able to speak English well will get on the line (never had to be transferred to someone useful) 24/7. Other than better support, I get two static IP's with the package, and I believe that the business service has no monthly cap. Additionally, and unlike the residential service (where your monthly bill can get jacked up for no good reason) the rates I pay are contractually locked.

    So (at least in my area) if you get residential, you're pretty much a sucker.

    1. Re:Just Get Business by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Just wondering, do they give you Business Class TV service too? ESPN charges more to be shown at a business than it does at home... and those situations make the business TV package a little less attractive than the consumer service.

    2. Re:Just Get Business by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      that would not be tied together, "business" TV would be for public performance and would depend on size of establishment

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    3. Re:Just Get Business by uofitorn · · Score: 1

      So (at least in my area) if you get residential, you're pretty much a sucker.

      I dunno. I had Comcast residential for six months and had to call them twice. Yes, it was a painful experience, but I don't think I would have paid a $120 premium to avoid it. I also got the month free on both occasions (for a 30 minute outage in each case). Additionally, for a homeowner a contract might be attractive. For a renter, not so much.

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    4. Re:Just Get Business by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      With Cox at least you can deal with the different sides. I have business Internet, and had it for some time now. I used to have consumer video. The two sides weren't aware of each other (to the point they'd ask me if I'd like a cable modem connection) and I got two bills, but it was just fine.

    5. Re:Just Get Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a really weird perception of money.
      I decided I wanted better service than Comcast offered, so rather than pay them more each month, I fired them and went with DSL for less money. Same end result - I have fine internet, good enough for watching netflix and hulu and browsing the web and playing games - for significantly less money, and better service. I pay over $500/year less than you do. Who's the sucker?

    6. Re:Just Get Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You get a lot for a pittance of additional cost (~$20 / month more than residential around here)."

      That's about a week's worth of food for me every three months. A pittance? Hardly.

    7. Re:Just Get Business by soundguy · · Score: 1

      Don't know (or care) about Scumcast, but I have Business FIOS internet (35/35) and Consumer FIOS TV, both over the same fiber. I also have a Verizon POTS phone line. I get 3 different monthly invoices from 3 different Verizon divisions. No bundling, which means I can change any of the services without affecting the others.

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  25. Last month 73GB of Anime along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are some numbers, from my house:
    1. Anime bittorrent downloads total over 73GB for the last month.
    2. NZB downloads for the last month entirely TV shows 230GB
    3. VPN connection Bandwidth to Work for the month is about 35GB that's an average based on the last 4 months, used from a VM about 16 hours a day.
    3. I get 3000GB a month on my server, and that for only $45, so the same cost a Internet through Comcast and that is 12x what Comcast is giving you.

    So basically discounting the Gaming, Browsing, VPN the Web ... I have consumed 300Gb just for Video in the last month, that is 1/10 of what I'm allowed on my remote server for $45 a month, yet I'd be over the limit for Comcast with just this.

    250Gb is simply not enough for a month if you plan on moving Video.

    1. Re:Last month 73GB of Anime along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you have time to watch all of them?

    2. Re:Last month 73GB of Anime along by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I suggest paying for better service (i.e. business class) then. Those of us streaming Netflix and Hulu for the same amounts of time we'd watch TV in a month seem to be doing just fine.

    3. Re:Last month 73GB of Anime along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're over 12 years old and still into anime? You're a loser. I hope they jail you for just being a dork.

    4. Re:Last month 73GB of Anime along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, so you've kind of proven their point: the only reason you're over the limit is that you're downloading pirated video illegally. If you were obeying the law, 250 GB would be plenty for you.

      With advocates like you, the anti-usage-cap lobby doesn't need enemies.

  26. Crap by dexomn · · Score: 1

    I kept reading cap as 'crap', it was much more entertaining.

  27. Further perspective by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

    250GB per month is the equivalent of a T-1 downloading at 51% capacity non-stop.

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    1. Re:Further perspective by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Further further perspective... T1 is slow! They only run at ~1.4 Mbit/s.

    2. Re:Further perspective by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Troll

      Further further perspective... T1 is slow! They only run at ~1.4 Mbit/s.

      Since you're clearly such a guru (you almost know how fast a T1 is, that must be good for something!) maybe you should tell us all about it.

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  28. Even with 1.5gb of porn a day.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I download a lot of porn. About 1.5gb a day probably. I stream internet radio. I furiously click refresh on sites like slashdot.

    I still don't use 250gb.

    On the other hand, the 15-30gb limit discussed above in the UK would cause my to riot in the street. That wouldn't even cover my non-porn usage many months.

    Also, let's get real people -- I can only "utilize" so much porn a day. Someone who actually watched legit videos on the internet (I really don't, no time) could easily DL more than me.

    Verdict? 250gb seems pretty reasonable, anything less does not.

  29. Bandwidth is too expensive by lucm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe archive.org should start to offer its content on tape backup sent with Fedex. Might end up cheaper than my ISP.

    I can picture the ads: "Weekly internet: 7$, delivered with a smile".

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    1. Re:Bandwidth is too expensive by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      You actually gave me a grin. In the rental office I work in, we accept packages from USPS, UPS, DHL, and FedEx for them - we sign so they don't have to be home, and then keep them in the back office.

      After 4 years of employment, the first damaged package ever from FedEx Express was delivered today. It was for us, a lease, in a FedEx Express envelope, stuffed in a FedEx Pak, stuffed in a FedEx Express Box. It was smashed flat (really? Who stuffs a document in THAT MANY coverings), and the delivery guy, who I've seen daily for about 4 years, was ashamed to hand it to me, and had already filled out a damage form and told me I didn't have to sign. I had a good laugh with the guy, quite surprised that so long had gone by without a single damaged article. UPS is the only company that brings us mangled boxes with regularity.

      Now that's service with a smile!

      Oh, and the 22 (!) page lease, despite the mangled packaging, was not damaged at all, if a little wrinkled. Still quite legal.

  30. Kweh? by Therilith · · Score: 1

    Monthly limits?

    Never had any of those.
    My ISP recently bumped everyone up to the next tier of speed and lowered prices for every customer.

    No, there were no sneaky contract changes or ToS alterations.

  31. Well streaming video would do a lot by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I rather like Netflix watch now. You can see some of their catalogue in realtime off the net. SD uses something in the realm of 1mbps. Well at 1mbps that would be a MB every 8 seconds. A movie will use like 900MB to play. that's just for SD. Start doing Hd from somewhere like Vudu and that goes up. Then there's online games services. I buy games on Impulse and Steam. So I bought The Witcher, since it was on special. Cool, but 13GB to download. Twice, actually, since I want it on my laptop too and there's not a real good way to transfer from one computer to another.

    I'm not saying that 250GB isn't a substantial amount, just that it is getting easier and easier to hit with legit traffic. I don't want to have to sit around and monitor my usage and say "Well I should probably only watch one movie tonight because I'm getting near my cap."

    Also, they don't seem to be adjusting it. This 250GB cap was introduced a couple years ago. Then maybe I'd have said "Ya, near impossible to hit that with legit traffic." However now it isn't trivial, but isn't hard. Few more years and it'll be fairly easy. Few more years after that and it'll probably be hard not to.

    If it was the kind of thing they upped on a yearly or monthly basis, similar to Google's email cap, the ok maybe that works. However as it stands they seem to think "250Gb will be enough for anyone."

    Finally, if they want to do it, they need to offer plans that have more usage for more money. I'm fine with the idea of paying for services you use, in fact I personally have a business class Cox cable account. However if they are saying "the only consumer plan is 250GB" then I can't agree with that. Why aren't there higher tier plans for reasonable amounts of money? Why is there not a truly unlimited plan? They should be able to do the math and figure out what that'd cost and charge accordingly.

    To me it seems like they want to claim unlimited, but then not actually allow it. Also perhaps it is more sinister, in that they want to prop up their cable TV business by making it unattractive to go to just streaming media, as I have.

  32. Earthlink powered by Comcast... by TavisJohn · · Score: 1

    Isn't that like a guy dressing like a woman? It is really a guy regardless what it looks like.

    I am surprised that it went this long without the limits!

  33. This was just implemented in Canada by TermV · · Score: 1

    This describes the recent usage based billing decision in Canada. All the DSL wholesellers who are reselling uncapped Bell Canada service now have to abide by Bell Canada's caps. The difference is that in Canada, this is now legally mandated by the telecom regulator and not simply corporate collusion.

  34. Why would they bother? by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Why would they bother?

    When their "most prolific users" no longer cause a bandwidth problem, what would be the point of limiting them further? Do you really think they intend to go to lower and lower amounts of aggregate bandwidth on their network as time passes? Why?

    They want to offer a good service to people for a high (profitable) price. They're just limiting the fringe cases.

    I would limit them too. Maybe it's 3 houses sharing a connection and they'll have to stop and sign up for 3 connections. Maybe it's a business user and he'll be willing to pay for business service. Maybe it's something illicit that you'd rather not be on your network. Or maybe it's just someone using as must bandwidth as 100 ordinary subscribers and you want the 100 subscribers to get better service at the expense of the one.

    1. Re:Why would they bother? by Mandrel · · Score: 1

      When bandwidth is a limited resource, the use of pricing tiers based on data limits allow ISPs to extract the most money from each user, and also effectively allows them to automatically raise prices as normal Internet usage pushes people into higher tiers.

      But this only works outside the US, or where there is a monopoly. If the supply of bandwidth is much less limited, competition should ensure that only "outrageous" usage gets clipped, which looks to be what has happened.

  35. Business Class by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aside from whether it's right or wrong that a 250GB cap even exists; if you really need to move that much data in a month, perhaps you should consider a business class account. Still cheaper than a shitty T1.

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    1. Re:Business Class by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      Why should I have to pay for the business bundle because I want to stream netflix and play online games?

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    2. Re:Business Class by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      We stream Netflix to 3-4 devices in our house all the time, my brother is constantly playing PC and multiplayer Xbox360 games, etc. If you're hitting the 250GB cap, you're doing something seriously wrong.

  36. Just Cough Up Another $40 by IonOtter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine just signed up with Comcast at his new apartment? I warned him that Comcast has the WORST reputation in the US, but he just shrugged.

    He pays for business access, rather than private home access. It's another $40 per month, but there's higher bandwidth, servers are allowed, no traffic shaping, no throttling of Bittorrent protocols, and best of all, NO CAP.

    His theory-and it seems to hold-is that if you're going to cough up the dosh for a business account, then you know what you're getting into with such things, so they don't care if the RIAA/MPAA shows up at your door.

    I suppose, but I think it's just the extra $40 that turns their head.

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    1. Re:Just Cough Up Another $40 by wmbetts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is complete BS. He shouldn't have to buy business class access to receive what they advertise.

      If I buy ad space on a website and the ad directs people to a website that tells them they can loose an unlimited amount of weight in 1 month the FTC would be all over me, but for some reason it's okay for ISPs to say you have unlimited bandwidth. You can say "oh the fine print they sign says so". Well the FTC recently cracked down on all the diet rebills that were going crazy and are now prosecuting people. They told people about the price just like ISPs do, in fine print. While I'm happy the FTC is cracking down on those people they should also attack the ISPs that fraudulently sell unlimited internet access.

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  37. Most people wouldn't though by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    In general people are happier with more bandwidth. That lets them get what they want faster. Most people would rather have more bandwidth, but less overall allowance than more allowance and less bandwidth. With your 5mbps line you'd have a theoretical max of about 1.5TB/month. Few people could use that, so having it is useless. However if I offered them 10mbps and 750GB/month, it would be better for them. The web would be faster, videos would stream better, and they'd still have plenty. Likewise going to 20mbps and 300GB/month would probably be better still.

    Now yes, you do need to have enough allowance to make it worth while, however in general most people don't use their lines full blast. They use them in spurts. It is that precise phenomena that allows for cheap Internet because you can oversubscribe things.

    For example at work I have gig to my desktop. However our room switch also has gig back to the floor switches. All the floor switches have gig to the building switches, those have gig to the core. The lines are quite heavily oversubscribed. None the less, I get great transfers. I've downloaded Linux torrents at speeds in the 500-800mbps range. Well, I couldn't do that if they evenly divided up the bandwidth on campus. I'd have probably a 256k line or so. Likewise, I can't use that whole 1gbps all the time, or it'd interfere with others. However, if I use it to get when I need when I need it, and not otherwise, it works out that we all have blazing fast access, and don't have to install ridiculously expensive upstream connections.

    1. Re:Most people wouldn't though by AigariusDebian · · Score: 1

      Hmm, unsatisfied with water pressure in you main? How about we give you 10 times the pressure, but if you use more than 2 m2 per month, it will automatically shut off! Get better pressure, now!

      And then there was a fire or you just needed a drink ...

  38. I will second that by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I don't have experience with Comcast's business service, but I use Cox and I'm very happy. You can get static IPs, you can get more upload speed (I've got 4mbps burstable to 5mbps right now), no limits of any kind (servers are ok), and near as I can tell you are on a different channel so less contention from residential connections. Also, as you say, support is very good. They have incentive to get you back up and running as there's an SLA. It isn't a super duper SLA, I think it's just 99%, but enough that they don't just say "Eh, who cares."

    Now, you will pay for it. I pay significantly more than a consumer line of the same bandwidth, but you get what you pay for. They never make a peep about usage, I run two servers, and in general the connection seems to perform near its rated max all the time, whereas consumer connections often dip lower during peak times.

    While I don't support the way Comcast is playing the game, I do support the idea that higher users should get better lines. If you are a professional grade user that wants to hit the line heavy, you should be willing to pay more than someone who just wants to do web surfing and occasional streaming video, but wants it fast.

    I've had business grade Internet for about a decade now and it is well worth it if you are a geek.

    1. Re:I will second that by DJ+Particle · · Score: 1

      Actually there is a bandwidth cap on Comcast Business Class. It's 12TB. I asked. But with a cap 48 times the cap of residential, it may as well be unlimited. Also (at least here in Minnesota), Comcast won't give out Business Class accounts unless you actually have a business use for it, but the use can be minor. I run a website as a comedy musician (granted I make very little to no money with my music, but it's fun :) ), so that was acceptable to them.

    2. Re:I will second that by yoshscout · · Score: 1

      I was going to mention this about you needing a business to bet business service. I know someone who worked one of the call centers and from what I remember, commercial service has 2 major differences in terms of support. One is that you go straight to tier 3 support (or maybe a separate group that tier 3 helps when they have no calls being promoted). Another words, a regular residential phone tech would have to promote the call twice before you would get the same tech. The second difference is that if you have line trouble they dispatch someone within 24 hours. The reasoning is that your business can't be offline for long periods of time or you will cancel. That plus the static ip's and solid service just makes this a win if the price isn't a deciding factor for you. There is also the fact that while they don't police it much, I remember seeing something in the terms of service that said you weren't supposed to be hosting services. I never had a problem with it though.

    3. Re:I will second that by DJ+Particle · · Score: 1

      I think they were talking about stuff like FTP or peer-to-peer. I suspect they assume that someone using internet for business is going to have a website for said business. The only port I allow anyone on the outside to talk to is 80. Even I basically have to be home in order to update my site. I'm not taking any risks. :)

  39. And the problem is...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can understand bitching and moaning and preparing the tar and feathers when a company that is supposed to be "unlimited" puts some cap on users that paid for unlimited service. But if they say 250GB is the cap, and deliver up to 250GB, then what's the problem? I do my work remotely, so day and night I'm a heavy internet user. I still don't think I have EVER racked up 250GB of data transfers per month, even over my 100Mbps (reality is about 60Mbps) fiber line. Hell, I don't even copy that much data within my LAN each month, which runs scheduled backups of my work data.

    Be a bit realistic here. How much data does a single HD movie contain? Just for the benefit of the doubt, we'll say 5GB per movie. That's 50 movies. Almost 2, full length, full feature movies, continuously, for 6 days a week, every single week? Seriously?

    Now if you really do have legitimate reasons to require more than 250GB per month (and I'm seriously skeptical that even 1% of /. readers have this requirement) there are very likely services that can handle this for you, at a cost. You get what you pay for. One of the reasons that household broadband costs can be so low is because most households do not use 250GB per month, so the costs of bandwidth can be spread over a large user base. Grandpa and Grandma may use about 50MB per month sending and receiving photos from grandkids. Mr. Jones may use about 5GB because he likes YouTube, and also streams movies once and again each month. Ms. Slashdot Hoarder may use 100GB because frankly, she's a hoarder and really, really likes Bittorrent. It all balances out really well. Except that once in a while, there's a serious freak that is maxing out the throttle 24/7 for god only knows what. These can become regional spikes with real problems to the rest of the users. It needs capping, for reasons that should be rather obvious to this crowd.

    That said, Comcast still allows up to 250GB per month. That's not bad at all. And again, if you need more than that, you have some serious issues that are very uncommon, but can still be taken care of with a business line. Money talks, whining ends up on /.

  40. Profit By Blaming 1% of Abusers by Thrymm · · Score: 1

    From Eathlink's own site:

    http://support.earthlink.net/articles/cable/earthlink-powered-by-comcast-usage-cap.php

    Excessive users consume so much data that their data usage could negatively impact the service for other customers. In order to clarify excessive use, Comcast established a 250 GB monthly data usage cap for residential Comcast Internet access accounts. Based on its analysis of customer data usage, Comcast determined that more than 99% of their residential customers would not be impacted by this Usage Cap.

    So 99% of customers are penalized without knowing it, however most won't come near this cap. But what about customers who play online games left and right, watch youtube, have shit like Steam constantly downloading updates for their games (if they don't turn that off). Staying in the gaming realm for a second, when Steam did the first CoD:MW2 free weekend, it was a cluster fuck of preloading, then having to re-download again. Compared to 250gb, the reloads would be a small % but some people on the Steam/Valve forums did complain about Comcast caps on trying to reload the game again,

    EarthLink initiated the 250 GB monthly Usage Cap on July 1, 2010.

    Guess they have Dr. Emmett Brown in a DeLorean.

    The customer service representative on this telephone call will (i) tell you how much data per month the account has used, (ii) help you identify the source of excessive use, (iii) explain ways to moderate and reduce your data usage

    No more 2girls1cup replays!

  41. As a long term Earthlink/Comcast customer... by SmoothTom · · Score: 1

    ...I just received a postcard from Earthlink in the mail today that also details the new 250GB limit on my 8 year old Earthlink Broadband service with the "last mile" by Comcast (originally AT&T for the last mile).

    For right now, the 250GB limit really doesn't affect me, as I use considerbley less than that, but that does NOT mean that will ALWAYS be the case.

    For me, though, I'll just wait and see how this plays out.

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  42. Jump on the Green movement bandwagon by microbee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All of you need to go green by not using so much bandwidth!

    1. Re:Jump on the Green movement bandwagon by drew30319 · · Score: 1
      In order to watch "District 9" in HD my options were:
      • 1) Drive to the movie theater and watch it on a large screen in a large air-conditioned theater; or
      • 2) Purchase the HD disc that has either been shipped to a retail store or to my house and then toss / recycle the packaging; or
      • 3) Stream the movie straight to my house.

      #3 seems to have the fewest ecological externalities so why isn't it "green"?

      It's unfortunate that Comcast is allowed to offer a service perceived to be "unlimited" but is anything but. That single movie was 11GB when streamed through XBL to my XBOX 360, representing over 4% of my total monthly "allotment." If I'd used Comcast's view-on-demand service instead then I wouldn't have this bandwidth "cost" - does that seem reasonable?

      I expect the FCC will eventually have to reclassify ISPs and I hope everybody will remember who forced their hand... bad Comcast - bad! Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

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  43. I fail to see... by thatbloke83 · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...how it's possible to go over 250GB/month without filesharing (which, you know, is illiegal and stuff). And if you ARE somehow managing to go over that limit, then maybe a "home/personal" broadband connection is not for you, and you should be getting a business class internet connection instead. I'm a very heavy gamer, I am constantly downloading demos/patches and I have never ever been cautioned by my ISP despite being on a 40GB/month cap which I know I regularly go over, with game downloads regularly being several GB in size. (I'm on Sky BB in the UK).

  44. Comcast Canda HAVE NO BANDWIDTH PROBLEM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast Canda HAVE NO BANDWIDTH PROBLEM. They had a possible problem less than 2% of the time. This turned up in court when they were forced to reveal the information on how bad the "bandwidth hogs" they were complaining about were making things. Until that data came out (which you seem to have forgotten: nice for comcast...) Comcast Canada were insisting they had a massive problem and that 90% of their users were having their experience degraded by the bandwidth hogs.

    Turns out it was Comcast giving them the bad experience.

    What makes you think Comcast here have a problem?

    1. Re:Comcast Canda HAVE NO BANDWIDTH PROBLEM by Kohath · · Score: 1

      So what? Limiting the super high bandwidth users makes sense even when there's no bandwidth problem. (Assuming that's even true.)

  45. Might not be legal in some areas by MyJobSux · · Score: 1

    I cant say for sure but this might not be legal. Back in the dial-up days i remember different prices for different amounts of data. Unlimited was the big thing. ISPs continued to use 'Unlimited internet access' to include some phone carriers (sprint mainly). If you purchased your internet service from your ISP under the pretense that it was Unlimited Internet Access then you could say they are offing less for the same price and forcing you to take it. There is a legal term used which i cant remember off the top of my head but this could definitely cause an issue for Earthlink and Comcast if someone got the ball rolling with it. Also, how would you compensate the price for the 250gig cap as opposed to unlimited? What fraction of unlimited is 250gig? One could say that 250gig cap was worth $9.99/month or $5.99/year as opposed to the Unlimited price tag. If someone is over using bandwidth the ISP could consult the customer and give them options to upgrade or play it dirty and allow problems to arise that affect their internet connection intermittently. Maybe the customer will eventually leave the ISPand become another ISPs problem child.

  46. Local Munis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, it was brought to us by every local municipality granting monopoly contracts in exchange for kickbacks from the monthly service charges.

    Or have you never wondered why you'd be lucky to have a choice between even two providers?

    The feds did help out though - by throwing billions in tax breaks and other grants at ISPs with little to no oversight in how it was used.

    1. Re:Local Munis by unity100 · · Score: 0

      no. it was as the parent to your post described. it has no relevance to monopolies and whatnot. if there wasnt a local monopoly in your area and 2 isps, then the 2 different isps that were leasing their lines to end users were going to enforce THEIR caps. two caps instead of one. and as for 'there would be competition' stupidity, i want to remind you that despite almost all american companies have been producing their products in china for dimes for over 2 decades, there havent been any drops in prices. where is the competition ? nowhere. because it is a fairy tale.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8JRtGMBUz0

  47. There is a simple solution to these caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just charge by the gigabyte. People that don't use much bandwidth won't pay much. People that use a lot of bandwidth will pay a lot more.

    1. Re:There is a simple solution to these caps by Ded+Bob · · Score: 1

      The telecommunication companies will never do that. They make much more revenue on fixed monthly fees. They love people that barely use their service yet pay for broadband via monthly fees. After what happened with landlines, fees based on usage were banned. Usage-based cell phone service scares them.

      The only possibilities they may attempt is to charge extra per gigabyte over the cap or a "Super Duper We Love Your Money" unlimited plan. Both are similar to many cell phone plans.

  48. not a dump truck by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    No one says you have to be there listening. After all, that's how some people treat regular radio...

    Well they should stop. Them and all the silly tarts who leave youtube on autoplay are clogging up the tubes for the rest of us.

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  49. I would love a 250GB usage cap. by ewieling · · Score: 1

    Where I live there are 3 choices for internet service: dialup, satellite, and Verizon Wireless EVDO service. I do most of my work via SSH. Dialup and satellite are too high of latency for SSH. That leaves me with VZ with their 5GB monthly usage cap. Yes, that is FIVE GB. Overage fees are very high, about $250 is you use twice your 5GB allowance.

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  50. Yet another spoof by corporations. by lexsird · · Score: 1

    Broadband shortage. Seriously, when are people going to wake up to corporations and their games they play with the gullible public? This is a situation of giving a service with the minimum of expense for the maximum of profit. Instead of ponying up the money to update whatever it is that is lacking. They flatly refuse, then leave the people fall into some sort of accepting mindset, pointing fingers at "whomever of the users is the problem". By the public accepting this like the sheep that they are these days, they further the "minimum expense for maximum profit" maxim. If you think the politicians are going to step in and do the right thing, you are delusional. Corporate interests is all that is being served by any industrialized government these days. Politicians are quite the bargain and well worth the effort to farm.

    Face it, if the average /. user spent one quarter of the time hounding his or her "representatives" (I use that term loosely and sarcastically) that they do HERE, we might influence the dimwitted clods that get elected. Its doubtful though, politicians seem to be selected for the larger quantities of bone content in their skulls these days. It stands to reason, the ignorant are easier to control.

    On a practical side, look for alternatives to work around this. This is a fairly bright crowd, surely someone has an alternative. Individuals and small groups can move with lightning speed in contrast to corporations. The trick is to stay ahead of the lumbering behemoths. This is what I admire about Linux, its a monkey wrench in gears of the huge mechanical sacred cow of the status quo of capitalism. Its an evolved way of thinking that makes it so impressive and dangerous to those representing the status quo. Its what the Age of Information is about, being freed from archaic systems and mindsets with innovation from all. What annoys me is how this archaic systems impedes progress with its greed. Its not enough for it to make a living, it wants as much as it can extract from us. The problem with that is THEY ALL want to extract as much as they can from us, and as people, we are a limited resource. There is only so much we can do, this is evident as we each month ponder how to delegate our money to pay ever mounting bills and prices.

    What saddens me is how enslaved into the system we are. Contrast our different lives and you can see differences in the workloads we tolerate. Most can't even fathom real freedom anymore, and thus being an unknown, it becomes frightening and something to distrust. To beat this, we have to be smarter than it and collectively work to out pace and out maneuver it. The only alternative is to destroy the entire system, to reset society back to some point where we have to rebuild and only with those intelligent and/or strong enough to survive. The last is a horrifying thought and hardly a solution, but it might be in a "big picture" way, the only option should we all become enslaved to it.

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  51. MATH by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    so say you did that for 24 hrs a day over 30 days
    1.2 gigs per 9 hrs is 3.2 gigs per day
    times 31 days is 99.2 gigs

    so yeah- I can see where if you and 1.5 friends were online NONSTOP ROUND THE CLOCK FOR A MONTH
    that wouldn't be enough for you... that really is too low for you isn't it buddy??

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  52. Seems that the cable companies are seeking revenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I and many of my friends have been ending our cable television subscriptions. We no longer pay the cable company for $20 per set top box on top of $80/mo for expanded basic and HBO. Now, we stream movies on Netflix, shows on ad-supported Hulu and listen to Pandora for our music.

    It is my opinion that the cable companies are trying to recoup the revenue lost from people like us who have decided we do not want to pay them for content that can be delivered more cheaply. It has little to do with bandwidth or piracy. My friends and I are total believers in an artist's right to be paid, so we do not pirate anything. We just do not like over-paying Comcast or Verizon for the delivery of that artist's work.

    By imposing a 250GB/mo cap, the cable companies have effectively put a stop to people who use the internet as their primary method of entertainment delivery.

  53. 250GB, (sound of relief) I thought it was 25GB by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

    I have COMCAST business service in my home. As slashdot readers know, OpenBSD just released a new version. I downloaded the new version, and was surprised that it took four days and totaled out at 89GB. I thought might be getting the dreaded call from COMCAST. As a side note, just about the time the download completed, my computer hiccuped and the downloaded data got trimmed to 5.6GB. Maybe I was using the wrong download program. Anyway, I don't use torrent at all. I don't download pirate music or movies. I am a software engineer with an insatiable thirst for development files, GNU, sourceforge... I guess what I don't understand is why COMCAST cannot email you an informative note every 25% of the cap, so you can stay aware of your usage. The user could specify the frequency of the notifications. I guess I am lucky to have access to the service I do have, as it seems to be enough for my use today. But I do worry about trends, and I worry that the US providers aren't keeping up with the world, and that we will become a third world country, Internet wise. Another thing that worries me is that my sub-development is too small and Verison didn't feel it would be rational to bring fibre into our loop. So it is louse DSL (old copper) or COMCAST, with no other options. A while back I asked Verison what they could provide, and they offered me a fairly respectable speed for $38/mo. But when install day came, they couldn't stabilize the circuit over 750Kb/128, and they still wanted the entire $38. I had them take their DSL and their CPE and get out. I will have to be satisfied with COMCAST as far into the future as I can see.