approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(*) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(*) Users of email will not put up with it
(*) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(*) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(*) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(*) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(*) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
(*) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(*) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
(*) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
(*) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
(*) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
"Researchers have identified a hole (an overlooked security concern) in the TCP (Transmission Control Protocol a system of information transmission that aids in reliable data transfer) layer (a metaphorical layer in a sandwich of other layers each of which pertain to certain elements of the network stack (the combination of hardware (physical parts of a computer) and software (the computer code that resides on a computer's storage that makes up a computer program) that allow a computer to/talk/ to another computer over a network)) of Windows (a computer operating system (a complex computer program that coordinates and translates software requests into hardware actions))."
In Germany Deutsche Post started this more than two years ago http://www.deutschepost.de/mlm.nf/dpag/images/flashapps/handyporto_bin/index.htm For reasons unknown until today I never recieved a letter with the so called "Handyporto". Maybe this is because they are charging text message porto customers 72% more per letter (0.95 € Handyporto VS 0.55 € regular stamps). But this is just a wild guess...
In addition, you're perpetuating more FUD by linking unrelated facts. C___y_ had *NOTHING* to do with processing nuclear waste. It had everything to do with taking every safety system offline, then having poorly trained...
I know about that! I deeply regret having mentioned the C-word in my first post. If I could I would reverse that, but I can't. If you want so, failure from the beginning.
By the way, I'm no fan of coal plants either.
Solar...Biofuels... Hydrogen... Hydro...Wave power
For some reason you forgot wind in your list of young and having-lots-of-pros-and-cons-too 'alternative' (hate that word as it manifests the status quo!) power generation technologies. However, what my - thanks to this discussion somewhat clearer - point is, is that exploring new technologies is great. But actively and productive using technologies, that do produce problems, me, the using society, knows about, and can't really cope with is a bad idea! Just stating further generations with their improved knowledge will easily solve the problems then, is (attention, more fud to come) a bit like killing a child in a car accident, freezing it and telling the parents that it will be good in ~200 years.
You are living contradictions in that your lifestyle has been created and can only be sustained by the very things you attack
Yeah, this world thing is quite complex.
and your other lifestyle choices (for example smoking pot) have very serious costs to the commons but they are "alright" because you like them.
In "my" world, smoking pot has lesser potential to harm coming generations than emissions from (nuclear-/coal-) power plants. (As a side note: In "my" world plant operators shouldn't smoke pot at work).
Move our of your mother's basement,
Accomplished.
stop playing MMORPG,
Never did. Did you? Should I try it?
get a job or better yet start a business,
Accomplished, for the job part.
and grow the fuck up.
I think, being grown up, is a bad excuse for dismissing responsibility.
Thanks for your input! Now over to you: get a name, get a/. account!
You said there wasn't a solution. I merely showed the error of your statement.
For the "solution" part, regarding a pure intellectual concept of "solution", I agree.
So let's move on and talk about responsibility! How can someone today take over responsibility for something humans (to name a few) will still have to cope with in thousand years?
You do realize that typical coal fired powerplant emits more radioactive waste to the biosphere in one day than typical, modern nuclear powerplant will emit in its whole lifetime?
Nuclear power is cleaning up the planet by harvesting the things that this evil planet puts all over the place to try and kill us, and getting them away from people.
Nuclear power is not only harvesting the evil things, but also separates the more evil from the less evil things when concentrating the isotopes for the reactor.
Following this logic, nuclear weapons are even better because they need higher concentrations...
Where's cold war when I need it?
The real problem with nuclear power is and was (and will always be!), that there exists no solution for radioactive waste.
Maybe we won't have a Chernoby like desaster again - however with every single hour we have nuclear power plants running, we are producing toxins that will be lethal for centuries. So come on, using nuclear power was a failure straight from the beginning!
...contains substances known in the state of California to cause cancer.
I don't expect high doses, but I do expect the laser branding to create Acrylamide, which is suspected to cause cancer. So maybe this technique is better for fruits, which skin is not eaten.
The best linux game I know is overkill. Great! Loads of blood, weapons, bullets and brackets...
For best graphics experience, you'll definitely need a black backgrounded terminal.
As you were talking about downtime: make sure to start some bots with your overkill-server.
Btw: Does anyone know a public overkill server, which is still running? Those listed on the project home page all seem to be down:-(
Screenshot (only the eyes of the main character):
o o
[censored due to./ stating "Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters."]
In case someone wonders how many of these adresses are online today: #for adr in
$(cat downadup_domain_blocklist_17_31.txt);
do ping -c 1 -w 1 "$adr";
done > result.txt
#cat result.txt |grep -B 1 -c "bytes from"
132
So I wonder, which of these are registered by f-secure and which by the badguys?
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Your post advocates a
( ) technical (*) legislative (*) market-based (*) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(*) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(*) Users of email will not put up with it
(*) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(*) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(*) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Specifically, your plan fails to account for
( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
(*) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(*) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
(*) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(*) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
(*) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
(*) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
Furthermore, this is what I think about you:
( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
(*) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
"Researchers have identified a hole (an overlooked security concern) in the TCP (Transmission Control Protocol a system of information transmission that aids in reliable data transfer) layer (a metaphorical layer in a sandwich of other layers each of which pertain to certain elements of the network stack (the combination of hardware (physical parts of a computer) and software (the computer code that resides on a computer's storage that makes up a computer program) that allow a computer to /talk/ to another computer over a network)) of Windows (a computer operating system (a complex computer program that coordinates and translates software requests into hardware actions))."
At least it would look nice.
See here the hull exploding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU#t=43s
Exactly. But see all the other dupe reports...
This was already demonstrated in December https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4060.de.html I think there was even a /. submission at that time. Although I can't find it right now...
In Germany Deutsche Post started this more than two years ago http://www.deutschepost.de/mlm.nf/dpag/images/flashapps/handyporto_bin/index.htm For reasons unknown until today I never recieved a letter with the so called "Handyporto". Maybe this is because they are charging text message porto customers 72% more per letter (0.95 € Handyporto VS 0.55 € regular stamps). But this is just a wild guess...
I often wonder why such content is not published as a torrent. Net effect ftw...
Why did it take "motorcycle club" into account in at least three of the "M.C. 5" questions? (reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WFR3lOm_xhE#t=125s)
You can watch the talk over here: http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4060-en-attacking_mobile_phones.mp4 or download it via torrent: http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4060-en-attacking_mobile_phones.mp4.torrent
You should ask politely if you are free to go.
As in 'free' beer?
In addition, you're perpetuating more FUD by linking unrelated facts. C___y_ had *NOTHING* to do with processing nuclear waste. It had everything to do with taking every safety system offline, then having poorly trained...
I know about that! I deeply regret having mentioned the C-word in my first post. If I could I would reverse that, but I can't. If you want so, failure from the beginning.
By the way, I'm no fan of coal plants either.
Solar ...Biofuels ... Hydrogen ... Hydro ...Wave power
For some reason you forgot wind in your list of young and having-lots-of-pros-and-cons-too 'alternative' (hate that word as it manifests the status quo!) power generation technologies.
However, what my - thanks to this discussion somewhat clearer - point is, is that exploring new technologies is great. But actively and productive using technologies, that do produce problems, me, the using society, knows about, and can't really cope with is a bad idea! Just stating further generations with their improved knowledge will easily solve the problems then, is (attention, more fud to come) a bit like killing a child in a car accident, freezing it and telling the parents that it will be good in ~200 years.
You are living contradictions in that your lifestyle has been created and can only be sustained by the very things you attack
Yeah, this world thing is quite complex.
and your other lifestyle choices (for example smoking pot) have very serious costs to the commons but they are "alright" because you like them.
In "my" world, smoking pot has lesser potential to harm coming generations than emissions from (nuclear-/coal-) power plants. (As a side note: In "my" world plant operators shouldn't smoke pot at work).
Move our of your mother's basement,
Accomplished.
stop playing MMORPG,
Never did. Did you? Should I try it?
get a job or better yet start a business,
Accomplished, for the job part.
and grow the fuck up.
I think, being grown up, is a bad excuse for dismissing responsibility.
Thanks for your input! Now over to you: get a name, get a /. account!
You said there wasn't a solution. I merely showed the error of your statement.
For the "solution" part, regarding a pure intellectual concept of "solution", I agree.
So let's move on and talk about responsibility! How can someone today take over responsibility for something humans (to name a few) will still have to cope with in thousand years?
There is a big difference between 99.4% of fuel wasted full of long-life waste and 0.4% short-living waste.
Not to mention the 0.2% lost somewhere... :-o
You do realize that typical coal fired powerplant emits more radioactive waste to the biosphere in one day than typical, modern nuclear powerplant will emit in its whole lifetime?
Citation needed
Nuclear power is cleaning up the planet by harvesting the things that this evil planet puts all over the place to try and kill us, and getting them away from people.
Nuclear power is not only harvesting the evil things, but also separates the more evil from the less evil things when concentrating the isotopes for the reactor. Following this logic, nuclear weapons are even better because they need higher concentrations... Where's cold war when I need it?
..bury the waste ... in Yucca Mountain.
Yeah! I can't see it, its's not there anymore ;-)
Thanks, next one. Please!
The real problem with nuclear power is and was (and will always be!), that there exists no solution for radioactive waste. Maybe we won't have a Chernoby like desaster again - however with every single hour we have nuclear power plants running, we are producing toxins that will be lethal for centuries. So come on, using nuclear power was a failure straight from the beginning!
...contains substances known in the state of California to cause cancer.
I don't expect high doses, but I do expect the laser branding to create Acrylamide, which is suspected to cause cancer. So maybe this technique is better for fruits, which skin is not eaten.
However, I'm going to have a cigarette. Now.
The best linux game I know is overkill. Great! Loads of blood, weapons, bullets and brackets...
For best graphics experience, you'll definitely need a black backgrounded terminal.
As you were talking about downtime: make sure to start some bots with your overkill-server.
Btw: Does anyone know a public overkill server, which is still running? Those listed on the project home page all seem to be down :-(
Screenshot (only the eyes of the main character):
o o
[censored due to ./ stating "Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters."]
In case someone wonders how many of these adresses are online today:
#for adr in $(cat downadup_domain_blocklist_17_31.txt); do ping -c 1 -w 1 "$adr"; done > result.txt
#cat result.txt |grep -B 1 -c "bytes from"
132
So I wonder, which of these are registered by f-secure and which by the badguys?