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Low-Energy Laser Etching May Replace Fruit Labels

MikeChino writes "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label? The small sticky labels have long been the bane of waste-conscious fruit and vegetable eaters, but that might all change thanks to new technology that uses a low-energy carbon dioxide laser beam to etch information directly onto produce. No more peeling those annoying labels! So far the technology is being used on a number of fruits and vegetables in New Zealand, Australia, and Pacific Rim countries, and it's currently going through the final stages of review by the FDA. Once the technology is approved in the US, researchers from the University of Florida and the USDA Agricultural Research Service hope that it will be used in Florida's massive grapefruit industry."

475 comments

  1. Wrong problem by s1lverl0rd · · Score: 1

    I think they solved the wrong problem.

    1. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they solved the wrong problem.

      I agree. While it's good that this may rid us of plastic labels in advanced countries, I am originally from the third world. Our fruits do not need labels. Advertising on the skin of edibles is overrated, considering that people don't peel certain types: apples, mangoes, peaches...

    2. Re:Wrong problem by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Our fruits do not need labels.

      The labels on fruit in the UK supermarkets are there so the cashier knows what you've chosen. The labels on the apples I eat say "Granny Smith 4139", the cashier types in "4139" before weighing the fruit.

      They are annoying -- especially if they leave a residue, as I don't normally have a chance to wash an apple before I eat it -- so perhaps this is an improvement, so long as it doesn't affect the taste.

    3. Re:Wrong problem by cwrinn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless of course that taste is like chicken.

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    4. Re:Wrong problem by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

      The labels aren't advertisements. they have a 4 or 5 digit code on them which is used to identify what kind of fruit it is specifically. The prices for honeycrisp apples is different from fugi apples which is different from gala apples (the price difference is pretty large between different varieties). The clerks at the store aren't knowledgeable enough to tell the different of the 10 or so varieties of each kind of fruit sold to tell the difference. With the abundance found in wealthy nations comes a way to organize that abundance, and keeping things organized is what those labels are all about.

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    5. Re:Wrong problem by iocat · · Score: 1
      This is a solution in search of a problem. If you're really worried about labels on your fruit, there's something I need to talk to you about, called Iran's Nuclear Program.

      That aside, I do want to correct something -- most clerks (at least the good ones) actually memorize nearly all the fruits and all their code numbers. Check it next time you buy produce, they almost never look at the code before keying it in. Even with apples. It's actually pretty impressive how much cashiers at grocery stores have to memorize (they get paid better than you'd expect, too.)

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    6. Re:Wrong problem by Cormacus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Have you ever tried to purchase a pomegranate at a grocery store? I've had clerks try to ring them up as apples - that is if they don't stare in consternation at this vegetable (as in "not animal") monstrosity that has come across their conveyor.

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    7. Re:Wrong problem by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd also like to see where the fruit is from, possibly even identify the grower. There are three basic reasons:

      1. I prefer to buy stuff grown close to where I live. My grocery store will generally include the country of origin in the signage, but I really don't trust that they get that right.
      2. If there is some type of contamination problem, the CDC could more quickly track down the source and scope of the problem.
      3. I might discover that some growers produce better or worse food than others. The information could help me spend my food dollars more effectively.

      -ec

    8. Re:Wrong problem by The_K4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or they Just don't care and ring it up as what ever apple they know the code for. Same with things like mustard greens and kale, it usually ends up getting rung up as green or red leaf lettuce. I suspect there are some who can tell all the fruit and veggies by sight, and some who check the tag, and then some who just pick a code they know that the stuff kinda looks like.

    9. Re:Wrong problem by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yep, just etch a bar code on them, and now they don't need to be hand entered.

      Even though people will undoubtedly claim it changes the taste of the food, there isn't a way this could actually change the taste of the fruit.

      People will undoubtedly claim it causes autism, cancer, and space aliens to control your mind.

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    10. Re:Wrong problem by GospelHead821 · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that our nation's food scientists have relevant input into the problem of Iran's nuclear program? Or are you going a step further and suggesting that universities shouldn't fund their food service programs as long as Iran has a nuclear program to worry us?

      The fact of the matter is, we will continue to produce food scientists and their work will have nothing whatsoever to do with Iran's nuclear program. They will formulate new flavour additives, design new labeling methods, and improve preservation techniques.

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    11. Re:Wrong problem by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Even though people will undoubtedly claim it changes the taste of the food,

      Well, the laser kinda burns the apple at that spot, so conceivably it could change its taste.

    12. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked in a grocery store, I've observed that phenomenon.

      Yes, there are huge amounts of codes to memorize, and I didn't have to do it, simply because most of the time, I was issuing refunds for the clerks who rang habanero peppers up as bell peppers (wat.), pommegranates as apples, and tuna as pork (figure that one out).

      Oh, and yeah. Cashiers were being paid much more per hour than I was to correct their mistakes, be a backup cashier, and handle large sums of money (check cashing and MoneyGram transactions), among other things.
      (It wasn't that I didn't do a good job, either: We had a kudos program in place for a little while that would get us $5 in store credit every time a customer would hand one of those in. I was making at least $25 a week off these things, until the store director got tired of handing me these and discontinued that program. That was a few months later.)

    13. Re:Wrong problem by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Even though people will undoubtedly claim it changes the taste of the food,

      Well, the laser kinda burns the apple at that spot, so conceivably it could change its taste.

      I hear burning organic stuff creates carcinogens too.

    14. Re:Wrong problem by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      If you eat the skin of the fruit, it's entirely possible that the etched portion will taste slightly different, as it's been thermally etched (burned).

      It's also entirely probable that small amounts of carcinogenic substances will be created in the process – as with nearly any time that you use heat to burn or brown something. You just aren't worried about the carcinogens when you cut into that juicy medium-rare steak.

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    15. Re:Wrong problem by PalmKiller · · Score: 1

      Yes, it will cause a slight change of taste of the peel...but you don't have to at that spot. But my concern is will it cause the fruit to rot faster starting at that burn spot.

    16. Re:Wrong problem by Mikail · · Score: 1

      I hear burning organic stuff creates carcinogens too.

      Yeah, my friend's step-brother's uncle's third wife read a magazine article about a movie in which this happened, so no burnt fruit for me!

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    17. Re:Wrong problem by nabsltd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did she have any news about Ferris?

    18. Re:Wrong problem by MiniMike · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...as I don't normally have a chance to wash an apple before I eat it...

      As someone who has worked in produce (college job, not now) I have to say that I am appalled whenever I hear this. The residue from the sticker is the least of your worries, there could be all kinds of other residue on that apple that you don't know about (not that though, that's only cucumbers). At least try to rinse them off, if you can't give them a decent wash.

    19. Re:Wrong problem by Avalain · · Score: 1

      Sure, the good clerks who have been working there for a while memorize nearly all of the codes for all of the fruits. However, this isn't a job full of highly trained workers. It's entry level, which means that for every good cashier you have a couple people who are relatively new. When you bring up a fruit without a label on it they have to resort to searching through a large book of codes to find the correct one and have a really good chance of entering the wrong one and costing the company money (if the product coded was more expensive people tend to complain more).

      As for getting paid, well, again maybe the good ones are paid better. I know someone who was getting $6.43/hr and was looking forward to their $0.17 raise soon...

    20. Re:Wrong problem by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      Why are you complaining? Apples are cheaper than pomegranates. You saved money.

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    21. Re:Wrong problem by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 1

      So... you're thinking that using lasers to etch fruit labels on Iraqi nuclear scientists is a BAD solution, then?

    22. Re:Wrong problem by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Probably from all of the salmonella-filled chicken fecal matter he couldn't be bothered to wash off the apple...

    23. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a stupid technology and should be banned from production. Don't ruin our fruit by super microwaving it. It's hard to find any food not processed by greedy, meddling humans. Fruit is the only food least processed by humans and now they want to ruin that too.

    24. Re:Wrong problem by geekoid · · Score: 1

      They grow apples along side chickens now?

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    25. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vegetable (as in "not animal")

      The word 'vegetal' gives you the vegetable/animal distinction over the vegetable/fruit distinction.

    26. Re:Wrong problem by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      It's actually pretty impressive how much cashiers at grocery stores have to memorize (they get paid better than you'd expect, too.)

      Speaking as an excashier, no we didn't, for either memorizing anything nor being paid well (federal minimum wage is "paid better than you'd expect?").

      Typically what happens is we remember the code of the most common one and punch that in, regardless. Most people aren't watching or even know what they picked other than the color and won't complain unless what you rang up is more expensive than what they are buying.

    27. Re:Wrong problem by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      called Iran's Nuclear Program

      The entire world doesn't need to focus on a single issue at a time. Millions of people can solve millions of problems at a time, some small problems (like keeping track of fruit).

      And good clerks can't usually tell the difference between a gala and honeycrisp, the apples look almost the same (but taste different). Even the most experienced clerks have to look at the labels sometimes.

      The alternative is how bulkfood is handled, the customer gets a tag to put on the bag and writes down what they put in it.

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    28. Re:Wrong problem by archangel9 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure she said he's free.

    29. Re:Wrong problem by treeves · · Score: 1

      ZOMG!! I knew it! Radioactive fruit!
      Stop this madness!

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    30. Re:Wrong problem by vericgar · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should take a look at the Produce Traceability Initiative (PTI). We are just getting into the first steps of implementing this where I work (a regional produce distributor). Much of the traceability is already there, BUT every company has their own system. Recalls are a major pain - this will completely solve the problems. PTI provides a universal barcode on every box that traces the produce in the box to the farm level and which specific day it was picked.

      http://www.producetraceability.org/

    31. Re:Wrong problem by Qubit · · Score: 1

      Meh, go ahead and let them. The price for the pomegranate is probably at least twice as much as the price for an apple. Their mistake, their loss.

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    32. Re:Wrong problem by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      That's weird in the US it's 4017 for granny smith apples.

      Anyways, apples are dipped in wax at least here to make them shiny and keep bugs away (so I hear anyways) not to mention that other produces are sprayed with pesticides to keep bugs off of them, I wouldn't eat any produce without washing it, not just for the fact of poisons that might be on them, but who knows what else has come into contact with it.

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    33. Re:Wrong problem by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you heard, but cashiers get paid fuckall for the work they do, at least where I work at anyways. Man over half of them have second jobs just to pay the bills.

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    34. Re:Wrong problem by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      Could be they don't sell very many of them and don't know the code and/or what they look like, or also that they are new.

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    35. Re:Wrong problem by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      I think that's the least of their worries, all a customer has to do where I work at is say the price was lower than it was and were supposed to ring it up at that price, almost no matter what they say. Like say it rang up at $15 dollars they could say it was on sale for like $12 dollars or so and instead of finding out what it was they would sell it at the lower price and they do that with everything all day long.

      The book isn't that big where I'm at, maybe 5 or so pages front and back, and its sorted alphabetically by fruits and veggies, just have to ask what it is and then find it, not that hard.

      $6.43 an hour? Was that back from the late 90's or something or do you just live in the middle of nowhere, where the cost of living is nil.

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    36. Re:Wrong problem by Meski · · Score: 1

      Cucumbers? You evil bastard. Couldn't you wait until you'd bought your own?

    37. Re:Wrong problem by bronney · · Score: 1

      Hey man can't you just bite that part off if you're worried about the glue?

    38. Re:Wrong problem by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      I never said it was my residue, I'm just warning about what I've seen, heard about, and what (other) sick people think I've seen. And we're talking about apples here, everybody knows you can't compare apples and cucumbers...

    39. Re:Wrong problem by beckett · · Score: 1

      can't they just require the cashiers to take a walk through the produce aisle, and then have them pass a quiz? the typical megalomart doesn't have that wide a selection of produce, only what moves in volume.

    40. Re:Wrong problem by sincewhen · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps they could make the residue taste like fruit!

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    41. Re:Wrong problem by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      There is some merit to doing that, chicken are very efficient at eating weeds and insects, and don't touch the trees (if they get enough to eat). So in organic orchards, at least, there is some benefit. I don't now if it is done in conventional orchards, though.

    42. Re:Wrong problem by Mcgreag · · Score: 1

      The problem with something like apples is that it's a seasonal fruit. Different types of apples at different times of the year. Often the exact selection in the store will change every week. Especially in the autumn. Also the same type of apple grown in different places (or different times) can look very different so just learning the looks of the maybe 20+ apples types a store will have over the year won't help, you need to learn how they look right now. Those bad weeks when there are 6 different types of red apples you usually fall back to asking the customer. But even that won't work 50% of the time because most customer don't know what kind of apple they bought, they just picked one that looked good.

    43. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are working on a biting off mode, but at this point he is only able to swallow. If we are unable to implement biting off, we will have to sell him to some other industry. We have some interesting offers right now.

      The engineering team

    44. Re:Wrong problem by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

      only if you eat the spot.

    45. Re:Wrong problem by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      only if you eat the spot.

      So what's the advantage over labels again, if you need to throw away the etched spot?

    46. Re:Wrong problem by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

      Saving the plastic?

    47. Re:Wrong problem by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      d'ya think? Thank-you Captain Obvious. ;)

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    48. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever tried to purchase a pomegranate at a grocery store? I've had clerks try to ring them up as apples

      Perfectly logical, you pompous twit -- the word pomegranate actually means "grainy apple" (pomum granatum).

    49. Re:Wrong problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't normally have a chance to wash an apple before I eat it

      WTF?!?!? Are you saying you just get home, reach into the bag and smash the fruit into your mouth without time to wash it?

      So, do the stems you have no time to remove get stuck in your teeth? Frankly I have, through long practice, learned to remove a sticker in well under half an hour.

    50. Re:Wrong problem by Cormacus · · Score: 1

      Close, but no cigar. To whit:

      Etymology: Middle English poumgrenet, from Anglo-French pome garnette, literally, seedy fruit

      link: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pomegranate

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    51. Re:Wrong problem by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      Not to him, try again.

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    52. Re:Wrong problem by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. What I meant to say was "whoosh".

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    53. Re:Wrong problem by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I always know when school is out and the new crop of checkout chicks have started when I have to explain that it's a lime and not an unripe lemon.

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    54. Re:Wrong problem by Cormacus · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the vote of confidence :-)

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    55. Re:Wrong problem by ImYourVirus · · Score: 1

      No prob, anytime.

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  2. Lecture Fruit! by happy_place · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait til they're required by law to give us all the nutritional information of every piece of fruit, down to the calorie count and the chemical breakdown. Perhaps government will put missing persons reports on them, or government mandated reminders of what it means to be a good citizen! So many useful applications!

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    1. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Scutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, they'll just etch "This unit not labeled for individual sale" on each one and make you buy them by the bag instead.

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    2. Re:Lecture Fruit! by think_nix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and next thing will be company xyz etching commercials , or marketing crap into it.

    3. Re:Lecture Fruit! by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      I can't find it now, but several years ago someone floated this idea. Etching ads on fruit with a laser.

      While technically possible, it was roundly rejected by the "consumer test group".

      I guess an apple just doesn't taste the same when an add for Preparation H is tattooed on it.....

    4. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or marketing crap into it.

      Speaking of which, as a struggling farmer, I simply cannot afford a laser. Why not just laser the seeds instead? That way, I sample the produce aisle, eat said cash crop, and personally fertilize my field the next day. When my produce goes to market next year, it's already been labeled by nature.

    5. Re:Lecture Fruit! by captainpanic · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I can't wait til they're required by law to give us all the nutritional information of every piece of fruit, down to the calorie count and the chemical breakdown. Perhaps government will put missing persons reports on them, or government mandated reminders of what it means to be a good citizen! So many useful applications!

      I can wait.

      While factory food is standard, and large processes and labs are well equipped to measure all you want to know - each batch of fruit has a different nutritional value. A little more sun can do a lot. There is a wide variation in the amount of vitamins in apples.

      The costs associated with all the measurements of what you propose are immense.

      Also, fruits have very few (none) added sugars or added other components... and there is no trickery.

      Just remember: fruit is healthy. It never hurts to eat it. Why have a label if this is true anyway?

    6. Re:Lecture Fruit! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I sample the produce aisle, eat said cash crop, and personally fertilize my field the next day.

      Um, not to destroy your business model here, but isn't fertilizing with human manure illegal?

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    7. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably. But I'm a cyborg from the future with a damaged flux capacitor.

    8. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get most of that information here.

    9. Re:Lecture Fruit! by GaryOlson · · Score: 4, Funny
      Thus creating a gray market for fruit.

      Hey buddy, wanna buy a hit of label free grapefruit? Highest quality buzz of Vitamin C anywhere!

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    10. Re:Lecture Fruit! by jo42 · · Score: 4, Funny

      fertilizing with human manure illegal

      Shouldn't be. Human manure, especially that from politicians and lawyers, is some of the finest crap on the planet.

    11. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they will label the fruit "Do not remove this label by penalty of law"

    12. Re:Lecture Fruit! by TheLink · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Just remember: fruit is healthy. It never hurts to eat it. Why have a label if this is true anyway?

      Because it isn't true.

      There are very many fruits in the world that are eaten by humans. They can be very different in their effects.

      Many fruits contain lots of sugar. That's not good for diabetics.
      Some fruits have very high potassium levels - this is normally good for people with high blood pressure, but bad for people with very bad kidney problems.
      There's a fruit called Ackee that can give you hypoglycemia or even kill you if not ripe or not prepared correctly. But apparently it's popular with Jamaicans.
      Grapefruit interacts with many drugs - it can make many drugs way more effective than expected.
      Starfruit (carambola) has significant amounts of oxalic acid which can give kidney patients problems.

      And there are still very many fruits which while might be commonly eaten have not had much research done on them on their health effects and nutritional values.

      Lastly, I wonder how the laser etching would look like on a whole durian or a rambutan ;).

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    13. Re:Lecture Fruit! by bytesex · · Score: 1

      Hey ! When having single apples is a crime, only criminals will have single apples.

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    14. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymusing · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even better, you will soon be able to custom-engrave your fruit. Popular choices:

      • Marry me!
      • Eat me!
      • I promise there are no razor blades in this apple!

      etc.

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    15. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "This Fruit Intentionally Left Blank"

    16. Re:Lecture Fruit! by digitalhermit · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm Jamaican and enjoy ackee :) The fruit is poisonous if eaten at the wrong time. You need to wait until it opens naturally on the tree before harvesting. Once prepared, it looks a like scrambled eggs and tastes somewhat acrid. Traditionally it's eaten with salt fish or bacon, biscuits similar to buttermilk biscuits, or with a vegetable called "breadfruit".

      Grapefruit and starfruit are also very popular in the Caribbean. I never got the hang of durian fruit :D.

    17. Re:Lecture Fruit! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      We're force-fed plenty of that already.

      Then again, if most of those politicians and lawyers would spend most of their time talking to cornfields it might actually be a step in a positive direction.

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    18. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great, now Apple will have to sell their MacBooks in packs of two.

    19. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lastly, I wonder how the laser etching would look like on a whole durian or a rambutan ;).

      Except the laser etching is replacing stickers, which would not be used on rambutans anyway.

    20. Re:Lecture Fruit! by aetherworld · · Score: 1

      Advertising will probably be the very first thing we will find on fruits once the FDA approves this new technique. Can't wait for my laser etched Chiquita banana!

    21. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Grapefruit interacts with many drugs - it can make many drugs way more effective than expected.

      Thanks for the tip!

      Seriously tho, i have never bitten in to a piece of fruit and found i have bitten a label. In fact the more i think about it the less likely it seems to be, apples/pears are the only fruits i can think of where it would be a possability as all the other fruits i can think of have a skin that would be removed before eating anyway (except very small fruits ie cherries which are usually sold by the punnett and not labeled anyway).

      After another moments thought, how many fruits actually have stickers? Most supermarkets (where i am, UK) don't have labels on the fruit (excluding bananas, apples and pears which have labels to show which country they were grown in) pricing is done at the till (barcode sheet by the till, scan and input amount if by quantity or place on scales if by weight).

    22. Re:Lecture Fruit! by mea37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, yeah, the big nasty government has been waiting for the day when it could piss you off by putting information you don't want on your fruit. They just couldn't find a way to put that information there until now.

      We were counting on them never hearing of adhesive labels, but now they have lasers! Damn you to hell, lasers!

    23. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Verdatum · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I'll start selling them by the slice...'cause that's just how I roll.

    24. Re:Lecture Fruit! by pz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't wait til they're required by law to give us all the nutritional information of every piece of fruit, down to the calorie count and the chemical breakdown. Perhaps government will put missing persons reports on them, or government mandated reminders of what it means to be a good citizen! So many useful applications!

      I know this is meant to be funny, but the parent poster is missing the point. This technology is useful to the manufacturers for three reasons:

      1. it is lower total cost than sticky labels
      2. it makes it easier to custom label each shipment (Walmart gets its own SKU, Costco a different one, etc.) and to uniquely identify each processing batch
      3. it opens up a HUGE new opportunity for advertising

      The technology is only marginally useful to the consumer. After all, we got by without labels of any sort on each piece of fruit for decades, no?

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    25. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, this is one of the things about organic fruit and vegetables that bugs me. My grocer tends to have the organic fruits and veggies pre-packaged rather than lose. I might only want 3 apples, but guess what, they only come in 6 packs. Want a few organic bananas, too bad. The organic ones have a sticky plastic strip around them so you can't just break off the amount you want.

      I'm pretty selective about what I buy and I only want to buy what I need. And I definitely don't need a bunch of extra packaging. In the end, I often end up buying non-organic food just because I end up wasting less that way.

    26. Re:Lecture Fruit! by deander2 · · Score: 1

      in college we used to call "ackee" "icky", after an incident where a friend cooked it for a group of us. =P

    27. Re:Lecture Fruit! by BigBlueOx · · Score: 1

      In the end, I often end up buying non-organic food just because I end up wasting less that way.

      I actually prefer non-organic food.

      NO KILL I

    28. Re:Lecture Fruit! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Just remember: fruit is healthy. It never hurts to eat it. Why have a label if this is true anyway?

      this statement is so wrong I'm going to have to disregard everything else you said.

      Have you ever looked at the fat content of a Apple? or and Olive?
      How about sugar?

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    29. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Is it non-organic, or inorganic?

    30. Re:Lecture Fruit! by geantvert · · Score: 1

      You forgot coconuts that can be deadly when received on the head.

      There is also that well known story of a couple having huge problems after eating a single apple!

    31. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      Already done; but there is a downside

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    32. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn.

      There go my days of buying fruit cheaply at Wal-Mart, and returning them to the most expensive grocery stores in town a day later when sales have rolled over, especially without a receipt.

    33. Re:Lecture Fruit! by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      Where I shop, most already are gray.

    34. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

      That sticky plastic strip comes off. The point of that is actually mark the bananas as "organic" (organic, of course, not meaning carbon based which is its actual definition but rather "bullshit hippie approved might not have pesticides but maybe it actually does" nonsense it's come to mean now.), not to prevent you from buying small amounts of produce.

      Organic bananas are 94011 whereas normal bananas are 4011. Also, if you remove that strip, you'll get charged for regular bananas, which are ALWAYS cheaper than organic ones.

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    35. Re:Lecture Fruit! by knappe+duivel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Grapefruit interacts with many drugs - it can make many drugs way more effective than expected.

      Please elaborate. Please!

    36. Re:Lecture Fruit! by deathcow · · Score: 4, Informative

      >> Grapefruit interacts with many drugs - it can make many drugs way more effective than expected.

      > Please elaborate. Please!

      My daughter had a liver transplant as a infant. She takes a single immune suppressant drug now called "Prograf" or known as Tacrolimus. The only warning on it is "Don't eat grapefruit while taking this." It makes the immune suppressing power much stronger.

    37. Re:Lecture Fruit! by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Thats so if someone places non-organic fruit on top of the organic fruit there won't be any contamination. It has to stay organic at least until its in your cart.

    38. Re:Lecture Fruit! by plague3106 · · Score: 2

      When people say "organic" in this context they mean "organic food," which actually has a very strict FDA defined meaning, and you must get certified to call yourself organic. Its more expensive because they can't use the traditional pesticides, which may or may not cause problems. Personally I'd rather opt out and not take the risk, but of course you're free do what you like as well.

    39. Re:Lecture Fruit! by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Perhaps government will put missing persons reports on them...

      Maybe they could put report of missing twins on pears...

    40. Re:Lecture Fruit! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      depends on the company ;-)

    41. Re:Lecture Fruit! by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever looked at the fat content of a Apple?

      Um... almost zero...

      There's about 10g of sugar in one apple. That's roughly the same amount as is in a 100ml glass of cola (and 100ml is a tiny serving -- less than the amount you'll get in a strong vodka and cola, most people will drink the whole 330ml can).

      You can pretty much let your kids eat as much fruit as they want. They'll feel full from before they eat too much sugar.

    42. Re:Lecture Fruit! by interploy · · Score: 1

      I can already see a new market for advertising...

    43. Re:Lecture Fruit! by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      *sigh* There is no significant fat content to an apple. The sugar in an apple is fuctose, which doesn't spike insulin levels (GI = ~19).

    44. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Durian tastes ok but getting past the smell is too much for most people...

    45. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many fruits contain lots of sugar. That's not good for diabetics.

      Sure, after you have it. If you were eating more fruits and vegetables and less refined sugars and bleached flours, you probably wouldn't have gotten diabetes in the first place.

      Too much of anything can be unhealthy, but fruits & vegetables make that pretty hard to accomplish. Plus, having a healthy diet will likely prevent (or at least help prevent) most of the imbalances that you mentioned.

      And obviously "fruit is healthy" doesn't apply to every botanical "fruit" that you might come across. Many are poisonous. The ones in the produce section at the grocer's are not.

    46. Re:Lecture Fruit! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Have you ever looked at the fat content of a Apple? or and Olive?"

      Well as another person on this thread mentioned...fat in an apple??

      But sure, olives have fat...they also have olive OIL in them..which is good for you.

      Not all fats are bad, you actually NEED them in your diet...and more and more studies are showing that increased fat consumption (to a certain level) can actually help your metabolism and help you burn off body fat.

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    47. Re:Lecture Fruit! by mmontour · · Score: 1

      >Grapefruit interacts with many drugs - it can make many drugs way more effective than expected.
      Please elaborate. Please!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_affected_by_grapefruit

    48. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on Prograf myself. Since the medication itself damages the kidneys, I wonder if it's possible to titrate a small amount of grapefruit into the pill while lessening the amount of tacrolimus. That could really spare the kidneys if not as much tacro was needed for the same effect.

      Prograf just went generic too.

    49. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Qubit · · Score: 1

      The effect of various drugs can also be decreased or increased if you ingest grapefruit.

      As the NYTimes reports,

      Grapefruit juice can...interfere with the metabolism of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or S.S.R.I.'s, like Prozac, which are used to treat depression.

      and

      [D]rugs used to lower cholesterol, like Lipitor, Mevacor and Zocor, have increased potency when taken with grapefruit juice. Excessive levels of those drugs can lead to a serious and sometimes fatal muscle disorder called rhabdomyolysis.

      Before you start trying to figure out the multiplier so that you can make your pills last longer, Doctors say that

      There's no uniformity from one individual to another or from one bottle of grapefruit juice to the next.

      It's kind of a craps shoot:

      "The problem is the unpredictability of the effect," he said. "You can't just lower your dose of Lipitor and increase your consumption of grapefruit juice.

      "There's huge variation in the amount of enzyme people have in their guts. Fooling around with grapefruit juice is not a good idea."

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    50. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, I was of the mind there was a reason why this hadn't been done before, although drug companies don't always worry about side effects.

      I'm sure the uniformity of grapefruit could be solved; I'm betting it's a specific ingredient or compound of grapefruit responsible for the effect. One that could be chemically reproduced or at least measured accurately.

      The gut enzymes... that's a bigger problem. It's a bit ironic considering lactose is a common binder in pills and some people have a harder time absorbing this. Of course it's very small quantities, but one always wonders.

    51. Re:Lecture Fruit! by uniquegeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Many fruits contain lots of sugar. That's not good for diabetics.

      Fruits aren't necessarily a no-no for diabetics. Fruit is fine for diabetics if you eat them like you're supposed to in the first place: in moderation, and a small portion size (i.e. 1/2 of a large banana). The glycemic index (effect on blood sugar) isn't necessarily high. Furthermore, the GI can be significantly modified by taking it with other foods such as protein, carbohydrates, and acids.

      Fresh apple with natural peanut butter or a couple of apricots? Fine. Peaches canned in juice with sugar added, or eating two freaking cups of dehydrated apricots... bad.

    52. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grapefruit interacts with many drugs - it can make many drugs way more effective than expected.

      Please elaborate. Please!

      Similarly, it affects the action of at least some statins. I dearly love grapefruit and grapefruit juice. Someone from my doctor's office called one day and said they'd ordered a prescription for Lovastatin (not sure of the non-generic name) for me and that I should pick it up at the pharmacy. Same warning about grapefruit. And again from the pharmacist.

      I had just gotten two half gallon jugs of the juice, so I said, "To hell with that -- I didn't hear about this for another two weeks." So I gradually killed the juice over the next couple of weeks, then started on the new prescription.

      Some months later, during another doctor visit, I mentioned that I had an intermittent cough, day and night, where I would cough for minutes at a time. He said it was not unusual with Lovastatin. In fact, though the maker reports 10 to 15 percent of users might develop such a cough, his experience said more like 20 to 30 percent.

      So he switched me to Kozaar. The cough disappeared within a week.

      Some weeks later, it dawned on me that I was no longer on the Lovastatin, so I called both my doctor and the pharmacist to see if grapefruit were still a problem. Both said it was not, so I went out, bought a huge bag of grapefruit and a couple gallons of the juice and have been happily using both ever since.

    53. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I totally read your post in a Jamaican accent

    54. Re:Lecture Fruit! by soundguy · · Score: 1

      Um, not to destroy your business model here, but isn't fertilizing with human manure illegal?

      Nope. Where do you think all the sludge from sewage treatment plants goes?

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    55. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing new about that.
      The apple farmers here do that quite succesfully.
      You can buy apples with hearts "engraved" in the skin, or any text you would like to have for a small fee. I had a friend who used to operate the laser. The downside is that each apple has to be manually polished before being lasered.

    56. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old news here in Germany....

      http://shop.herzapfelhof.de/myfactory30/shop/Shop.aspx?Shop=wfUser_herzapfelhof&t=c&

    57. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit!

    58. Re:Lecture Fruit! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know... I work in a clean water plant, and we treat all the shit out of it before you drink it.

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    59. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well organic stuff is sort of misleading anyhow. say you buy organic fruits at a supermarket. those fruits where grown right next to a non organic field that was sprayed with pesticides. those chemicals end up floating over to your non organic. Farmers markets are the best, you get to talk to the person who grew the food, maybe even get to visit the farm.

    60. Re:Lecture Fruit! by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      One of the effects I've heard of is reduced efficacy of contraceptives. Probably not the good news you were looking for.

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    61. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grapefruit concentrates whatever is in the blood, this has been known for a few years. heart medication, cholesterol meds, ect.. are affected by this. Ask your child's doctor.

      On the plus side, it's really supposed to intensify a buzz if you have one going :)

    62. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Jamaicans and your dangerous fruits!
      Saltfish and ackee is delicious but i didn't know it was the jamaican version of "fugu" (!)

      There is also "Soursop" which tastes great but is linked to Parkinsons disease...

      And the third most important food in the word, Cassava (tapioca), has cyanide in it if not prepared correctly.

    63. Re:Lecture Fruit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The simplest explanation: there is a substance, bergamottin, present in grapefruit that inhibits CYP3A4, one of the enzymes in the digestive tract responsible for breaking down drugs like tacrolimus. With the enzyme out of commission, there's now more of the drug in there for the body to enjoy (or otherwise).

  3. What does this do, chemically? by bcmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What chemical change is caused in the skin to form the pattern? How deep does it go? The skin is a protective barrier, and if it's compromised by the process, this could have a negative effect on shelf-life.

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    1. Re:What does this do, chemically? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The process must be approved by the FDA. You can be sure they will ask all those questions and some you haven't thought of.

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    2. Re:What does this do, chemically? by JackSpratts · · Score: 1, Troll

      we are talking about the fda here aren't we?

    3. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Xest · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Exactly, because government departments are completely infallible.

    4. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll have to excuse me for being a tad bit sceptical about the FDA. They don't exactly have the best track recard you know.

    5. Re:What does this do, chemically? by jimicus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The process must be approved by the FDA. You can be sure they will ask all those questions and some you haven't thought of.

      I'm always very leery of that sort of assurance because I've heard very similar things from my own MP (I'm in the UK) and IME it invariably means "I have so much blind faith in the system that I'm not even going to take your query seriously enough to forward it on to the relevant people".

      And it later transpires that the relevant people had not thought about it...

    6. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just burns it with a laser, 100% safe to eat. The problem that I heard with this tech is it almost always made it rot faster, but I think they were doing it to apples when I read it which has thin skin, not as much of a problem with citrus fruit.

    7. Re:What does this do, chemically? by TimHunter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm...You're right, we can't trust the FDA. We should rely on the geniuses of the Slashdot community instead. The ones who can read the summary and immediately come up with 10 or a dozen weaknesses that the professionals who've been thinking about the problems for years have somehow overlooked.

      We should set up a vote. You know, take the top 10 highest-modded questions or something.

    8. Re:What does this do, chemically? by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      Something makes me think he meant for this post to be modded funny...

    9. Re:What does this do, chemically? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Did anybody read my post? I didn't question whether it would be safe, and I did ask whether it would rot faster...

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    10. Re:What does this do, chemically? by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm waiting for the mandatory notice that the laser-charred fruit contains substances known in the state of California to cause cancer.

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    11. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      I think it's just like burning. After all it's only light. Like heat. So it's like a very browned spot on something you put in the oven.

      Don't get confused by the obviously wrong image that came with TFS. (Cyan? Really?? FAIL!)

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    12. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Atraxen · · Score: 5, Informative

      A CO2 laser has a wavelength of 10600 nm (i.e. pretty deep into the infrared). I'm not seeing any specific reactions or chemical absorbers in the literature on a quick check, nor would I expect to - a single photon of 10600 nm light contains far too little energy to break any bonds. Instead, when the photon is absorbed it makes the molecule vibrate a little, and the kinetic energy is transferred to the surrounding water (or other) molecules as heat energy. This is where the misconception stems from that IR = heat; heat results when the photon of IR light is absorbed, but a photon is a photon is a photon... Basically, the color change is going to be a burn pattern, so there's nothing to fear from it over and above any concern you'd have for cooked fruits (e.g. pie filling).

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    13. Re:What does this do, chemically? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      I know it's just burning, but how deep? The skin will inevitably be thinner where it's been burned, and that could allow it to rot sooner.

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    14. Re:What does this do, chemically? by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      Yes, and what he said is still true.

      Money, goods and services, weeks in vacation houses in tahiti... will exchange hands to rectify any answers that are not sufficient.

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    15. Re:What does this do, chemically? by jcochran · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And did you not actually read the article? That issue was addressed within it.

      In recent tests, the research team found that laser-labeled Ruby Red grapefruits showed no increase in decay or water loss compared to their sticker-labeled counterparts. The grapefruit also remained free of pathogens-meaning the laser-etching doesn't provide a new entry point for germs.

      But then again, this is slashdot so, who am I to expect people to actually read the article prior to commenting on it?

    16. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What chemical change is caused in the skin to form the pattern? How deep does it go? The skin is a protective barrier, and if it's compromised by the process, this could have a negative effect on shelf-life.

      Do you worry about Swamp Vapors getting into your toothpaste? How about e-waves from the planet Marsupius?

    17. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    18. Re:What does this do, chemically? by MacroSlopp · · Score: 1

      I'm less concerned about chemicals than the aesthetics... I use fruit not only for eating, but also for presentation. It looks good in a fruit bowl, or on top of a dessert. Now it will have the mark of the beast on it and will look like garbage. Fruit is art, leave it alone. ps. Those stickers suck too. Peeling them off damages the fruit skin.

    19. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could, you know, buy from a local farmer's market or the like. This is only for fruit being sold in the stores after all.

    20. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Laser etching can be art, too. Once they get the machines installed you can bet they'll start doing fancy designs - Halloween pumpkins with the faces etched on, special limited edition designs on all your favorite Xmas fruits (collect them all!), Chinese fruits with fortunes etched on them, the only limit is your imagination!!

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    21. Re:What does this do, chemically? by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This might be anecdotal, but I used to work for a big pharma company. We (or at least all of the people I encountered there) were terrified of the FDA.

      The FDA were reputed to be extremely thorough, and generally uncorruptable (the FDA is a sprawling bureaucracy, which though inefficient, seems to prevent any widespread corruption).

      The media might not have picked up on it, but the American pharma industry is hurting pretty badly right now, as many of the expected "blockbuster drugs" from the past few years didn't make it through the FDA's thorough approval process, while many of the existing big-profit drugs are about to lose their patents (which, in the US only takes about 7-12 years from the date of first sale).

      In America, you can create Mickey Mouse, and profit from your invention for a period of time double that of the average human lifespan. However, if you cure cancer, you've only got about a decade to reap the profits.

      I'm not going to apologize for all of the pharmaceutical industry's actions. However, it's very important to view behavior in the context of the regulatory environment in which they must exist.

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    22. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for the mandatory "Cauliflower with a frikin laser on it's head"

      OK, cauliflower isn't a fruit but I couldn't think of a fruit that has a head

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    23. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh now I understand why they have to bribe and corrupt the WHO and various EU and national health bodies. The poor schmucks have to bribe officials into all these "Vaccinate against H1N1!!1" campaigns because they wouldn't be able to buy their food otherwise.

      For all I care the pharma industry can go and die in a dark corner. Their top products these days are corruption and relabeled old medicine to cheat patent laws.

    24. Re:What does this do, chemically? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Lemonheads...

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    25. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A CO2 laser has a wavelength of 10600 nm

      Are you sure?

    26. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for the mandatory notice that the laser-charred fruit contains substances known in the state of California to cause cancer.

      Will they laser-char it onto the fruit?

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    27. Re:What does this do, chemically? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The FDA, and American government employees in general, aren't very corruptible. Yes there have been incidents, but overall it's a pretty tight system.

      Now if we could get rig of those pesky politicians, things would be much better~

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    28. Re:What does this do, chemically? by kimvette · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd rather deal with the laser etching than adhesives on the fruits - especially since they don't indicate what the adhesives on the labels are. Are they allergens?

      It'd also be nice if they'd etch produce such as cucumbers with the type of oil/wax they use to preserve them; is it just paraffin? Is it hypoallegenic, such as canola? Or is it one of the big allergens like peanut or soybean oil? Is it palm oil?

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    29. Re:What does this do, chemically? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      It adds a little energy to the skin, which causes the water to heat up and change color.

      It's pretty basic IR LASER stuff.

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    30. Re:What does this do, chemically? by radl · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...contains substances known in the state of California to cause cancer.

      I don't expect high doses, but I do expect the laser branding to create Acrylamide, which is suspected to cause cancer. So maybe this technique is better for fruits, which skin is not eaten.

      However, I'm going to have a cigarette. Now.

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    31. Re:What does this do, chemically? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      The media might not have picked up on it, but the American pharma industry is hurting pretty badly right now,

      The pharma industry? Hurting?
      When the pharma industry hurts, pigs will fly!

    32. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I live in New Jersey - I couldn't care less if it causes cancer in the state of California.

    33. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's "wish to follow you on twitter" now.

    34. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine the burning will produce *some* carcinogens (but then so would digesting a piece of plastic label).

    35. Re:What does this do, chemically? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      In America, you can create Mickey Mouse, and profit from your invention for a period of time double that of the average human lifespan. However, if you cure cancer, you've only got about a decade to reap the profits.

      good line.

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    36. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say we should brand the fruits like cows...
      with a hot iron marker...
      that way noone can complain about eating
      irradiated fruit or something :)

    37. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they will have to just live off the huge profits (in the US nearly 1500% margins) they have been taking on the drugs they do have. Antibiotics (even generic ones) are massively expensive, but pain killers (prescription non generic) are dirt cheap. If you cure cancer you have killed your profit because the patient only needs the cure once. If you treat cancer you have a steady income stream. So why search for cures when treatments bring home the bacon.

    38. Re:What does this do, chemically? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > I'm always very leery of that sort of assurance...

      It isn't an assurance. It is a statement of fact based on observation of the behavior of said agency over a period of decades[1]. They will investigate the hell out of this. It's what they do.

      > ...because I've heard very similar things from my own MP (I'm in the UK)...

      Perhaps you should consider replacing your MP.

      > "I have so much blind faith...

      "Faith" is a mental disease.

      > ..."in the system that I'm not even going to take your query seriously
      > enough to forward it on to the relevant people."

      What do you expect from a politician? An "issue" only matters to him if it affects his chances of getting reelected. Facts and logic are irrelevant.

      I am a radical libertarian with anarchistic tendencies (as a European you are not expected to understand that). As such, I am philosophically opposed to the existance of most government agencies[2]. However, unlike most radicals, I do not allow wishful thinking to cloud my vision. The fact is, the FDA actually does a fairly decent job of studying things such as this (they overdo it). They just should not have the power to use violence to enforce their decisions.

      [1] Some of the questions they will ask will be ones you haven't thought of because they are too ridiculous. In fact, the idea that this process requires prior approval at all is ridiculous.

      [2] I would, on the other hand, support the existence of non-government agency that did the FDA's job of investigating and reporting on the safety and efficacy of drugs.

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    39. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FDA were reputed to be extremely thorough, and generally uncorruptable

      LOL. You clearly didn't work for a pharmaceutical company in any technical capacity, but all signs indicate you're a good fucking comedian!

      he media might not have picked up on it, but the American pharma industry is hurting pretty badly right now

      BAWHAHAHHAHAHA. You continue to slay me. Only in America can "hurting pretty badly" describe such a small industry (raw number of people working on something productive) with such an enormous market capitalization (in 2009, probably exceeding $600 billion, regardless, steadily approaching %1 of the US GDP)

      I worked for this place once. We had profit sharing when the company's profits were in the $4 million range. Everyone did GREAT. That went away, and when profits reached $10 million, with no change in the number of personnel, the world was ending.. Management said things were TERRIBLE. Which, of course they were not.

    40. Re:What does this do, chemically? by epine · · Score: 1

      The pharma industry? Hurting? When the pharma industry hurts, pigs will fly!

      I'll certainly be on the lookout next time I step outdoors. Beware what you step over, version 2 might be delivered unannounced. I've complained about the pig spotters before: there are some people out there milking the jest-coma that the next version of Windows won't fit on a 1.5 TB disk drive. They'll finally shut up ... when their grandkids ask "What was Microsoft?" Maybe.

      If you've been paying any attention at all, you'll realize that the drug discovery industry has arrived at the cusp of an unpleasant sea change: the old model of statistical epidemiology (and its cost structure) is failing, yet the new model, narrowly targeted drugs administered with diagnostic certainty (which I refer to etiology-based medicine) can't possibly work under the current regulatory regime.

      Pricing life saving medicines (even a life with few innings left to save) is one of the most debated issues going, with voices weighing in at every conceivable price point short of "sex with your 12 year old daughter". Four years of tuition at a top school, however, lies within the realm debated. This was the subject matter on Econtalk recently, but not one of his better episodes, so I won't post the link.

      The current FDA drug approval process operates at a price point one can only justify if the sales model is to add the drug to the water supply, e.g. your HDL is low, you might be at risk, you need to take Lipitor until pigs fly (aka a generic alternative materializes circa 2011).

      Pfizer Wins Longer Life For Lipitor

      Do drug companies fear the FDA? How would you like to be pulled over for missing a tick box on a 100 page licence application form and have your leased Ferrari immediately confiscated? Plus, you're a public company, so they grab your cell phone and Tweet this fact to everyone who has ever known you. And then you have to walk back to the office and write the incident up on your TPS form.

      The small sticky labels have long been the bane of waste-conscious fruit and vegetable eaters ... No more peeling those annoying labels!

      Those comments incited me to discover why Marge married Homer. She must have got herself seriously tittered by Jabba the Hutt to follow Homer back to the golf castle. Somewhere in that small mind of hers "No more peeling those annoying labels!" The woman has priorities.

    41. Re:What does this do, chemically? by westlake · · Score: 1

      If you cure cancer you have killed your profit because the patient only needs the cure once. If you treat cancer you have a steady income stream. So why search for cures when treatments bring home the bacon.

      The treatment keeps your customers alive six months to five years.

      The cure, ten, twenty, thirty, or forty years. Which do you think yields the greater long-term return?

    42. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, if you cure cancer, you've only got about a decade to reap the profits.

      But you guys didn't cure cancer, did you? No. Instead you came up with pills to give old men hard-ons.

    43. Re:What does this do, chemically? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      There's your problem.

      Which do you think yields the greater long-term return?

      For whom is this return being generated. If it's for the pharma company you might stand a chance, but if it's for society as a whole you're in some trouble.

    44. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You know, they just used to stamp labels on with ink which looked very similar to the picture. You get a good non-toxic ink and this seems such a simple solution over stickers or lasers.

    45. Re:What does this do, chemically? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You're sentiment is very valid until I consider the many "x has been patented" stories where what you are describing is exactly what happens.

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    46. Re:What does this do, chemically? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      The skin on a grapefruit is hardly comparable to the skin on an apple. I'm not surprised in the least that scarring a thin surface layer of the grapefruit skin had no detrimental effect on shelf-life or quality.

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    47. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By design. With Mickey Mouse, someone can always come along and "invent" the Looney Toons. A painter can just make another painting. You can always create something new without causing any actual harm, because copyrighted works have no utility. There's never been a copyright that locked up all innovation in an industry, or one that's killed a man.

      Life-saving drugs, on the other hand, are not just the product of someone's whimsy and can't be replaced by a few imaginative pen strokes. The protection offered by patents is stronger than copyright and the counterbalancing social interests are orders of magnitude higher. The result is a short duration.

      Patents are meant to be short to make the benefits available to everyone as quickly as possible. The lifetime profit on a patent also exceeds the lifetime profit on a copyright in almost all circumstances. It's clearly worked for Big Pharma.

      Copyright was never meant to benefit peers, but to provide future society with a richer cultural base. Patents, on the other hand, are required to be immediately useful to society, and as a consequence, must mature with more immediacy.

      If you cure cancer, the profits you will reap in ten years would put businesses around the world to shame. But after a decade of obscene profits, the number of dead poor people would certainly outweigh any justification for continued protection.

      On the other hand, whether some pop song is or isn't freely available makes no difference at all to anyone's life. Your personal, recreational benefit from contemporary art was never part of the bargain.

    48. Re:What does this do, chemically? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Don't get confused by the obviously wrong image that came with TFS. (Cyan? Really?? FAIL!)

      That picture isn't just something the Slashdot editor went out and found. It's actually from TFA, believe it or not.

      However, I agree with you. The lemons just turned brown, as I'd expect. Green? That's ink (it's a grapefruit, so nobody eats the skin anyway). Why did they even use that image?

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    49. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Atraxen · · Score: 1

      I'll feed the troll in the name of science.

      Am I sure (is there a possibility I've misses a subtle effect and later testing may uncover it)? No, I'm not willing to say there's no possibility that ultra-subtle effects could be at play.

      Am I sure (as in, does this reach the level of scientific fact, and is it well enough supported by evidence that it can be built upon)? Yes, I'm that sure.

      Remember that a proton in the atmosphere of Neptune interacts with an electron here on Earth at a weak level - but it's safe to say that your CD player will still work just fine. Might we discover someday that the electron in your CD player had some subtle coupling with an electron on Neptune, causing the photodiode to fry? Sure, but I doubt you'll be rushing to buy $100 anti-coupling shields for your electronics. (OTOH, if you're in the market, I'm selling anti-coupling shrouds for personal electronics for only $87 plus shipping this week - email me and we'll set up the fund transfer.)

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    50. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps because living in New Jersey itself causes cancer?

      Just kidding, its beautiful, garden state and all that.

    51. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then again, this is slashdot so, who am I to expect people to actually read the article prior to commenting on it?

      Exactly so. I, in fact, stay well ahead of the curve by commenting on articles before they are even posted. Saves much time.

    52. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      You want to know why they stopped stamping labels directly onto citrus fruit?
      It's nothing to do with the safety of the inks. Sometimes, I think people ink entire oranges to make them orange enough. No. It was determined that, if more than a certain number of people squeeze a given grapefruit, the ink smudges, leaving the label unreadable. This is worse than nothing no matter how you slice it -- especially now that large oranges are the same size as small grapefruit.
      Using water-soluable ink on citrus fruit that is then left directly under sprinklers also creates problems...

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    53. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's KY. Ever notice that cucumbers smell faintly like poo?

    54. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for the mandatory notice that the laser-charred fruit contains substances known in the state of California to cause cancer.

      Proposition 65 is the biggest joke ever pulled in CA. Compliance consists entirely of posting a sign at each entrance saying words to the effect that, "We got some shit in here that could kill you or cause you to have three-headed babies" and you're good to go. No listing of chemicals; no specificity at all. In effect, no way to figure out if there's actually anything you know could be dangerous to you personally. You'd be a fool to own a business and not slap one of these signs at the entrance, even if you only sell bottled water and accept credit cards for payment.

      I've got them on my front and back doors just in case I blow a fart while someone is visiting. They've been warned and I'm in compliance.

    55. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It definitely does. The laser burns the text onto the fruit, so there's obviously a burning process, and burning organic materials leads to a lot of carcinogenic compounds, which is why you're not supposed to eat burned foods. On an orange this isn't so bad, cause you won't eat the fruit's peel. But I would never eat any food that has this going on on the actual food (ie. and apple). Furthermore, I will emphatically say that I would never eat a fruit with this type of burned on labelling b/c it comprimises the integrity of the peel. Any blemish, dead spot, hole, worm bite, etc. is a spot that becomes much easier for the fruit to go bad by quicker because the peel in that area is already dead. I'm quite certain that if we ran tests we'd probably see that the burned label food goes bad faster that unburned food.

    56. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the real test should be how it fares against fruit without any labelling system at all. Also I'd point out from your example it seems like they only tried it on one type of food and we have no idea what the sample size was. AND btw! There's got to be more water loss than the stickered label, what they're not telling you is that they considered the water loss to be negligible. After all it's a burn mark, it has to be created by heating something to the point that it begins losing moisture and starts to burn. That alone makes me wonder if the grapefruits don't decay faster and they just thought that it was too negligible too.

    57. Re:What does this do, chemically? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      *rolleyes*

      Yes, I'm well aware. That was my point. BTW, people like you scare me.

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    58. Re:What does this do, chemically? by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

      Perfect Illustration of my Papal Fish story: "Pope Benedict XVI's poker-night fish homily to the cardinals is: “Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he'll stop coming to church. "Dummy," continues B-Dict (the hip–hop nickname that he loves), "You don't want him to be able to feed himself for a lifetime, you want him to always need The Pope. OK?" http://editorialbbq.blogspot.com/

    59. Re:What does this do, chemically? by cekander · · Score: 1

      That's odd... I live in the US, and am currently staring at a lemon wedge floating in my ice-tea that has the laser printed letters 'Su' on the rind (I'm guessing Sunkist). I purchased the ice-tea at Chipotle. Does this mean Chipotle is not pursuant to FDA law?

    60. Re:What does this do, chemically? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What colors can water change to?

  4. An answer in search for a problem? by anomnomnomymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    Erm, never? Because I always wash my fruits (as in apples, pears) first before eating them?
    This is an answer in search of a problem: To be honest, I'd rather have a blemish-free apple, than one with carvings.

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    1. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I compost all of my fruit, and this will be great, as fruit like bananas and oranges will no longer generate any waste I can't compost.

    2. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      I think the laser etching would be ok for stuff like oranges, grapefruit and bananas (fruits where the skin is typically not eaten).. But stuff like apples and peaches I would not want it etched.

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    3. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I compost all of my fruit, and this will be great, as fruit like bananas and oranges will no longer generate any waste I can't compost.

      Uh huh.

      1. It's a small sticker. Small. Understand the word small? It won't hurt if you have to drop the small sticker into the trash can. Small. Get it, small. It won't club seals, cause global flooding, or turn the planet into the next ice age/green house.

      2. Those stickers are usually paper. Paper does in fact compost. It's a small little paper sticker. Did I mention small and paper?

    4. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why?
      TFA shows that it works on delicate fruit like tomatoes too. In terms of heal and sanitary concerns the laser is probably still better.

      1. A sticker when placed will be a nice breading gown for bacteria. Then the sticker is often pealed off after the fruit is washed.

      2. Who knows what chemicals are left behind on the sticker.

      3. When pealing off the sticker people use their fingernail. Even when they wash their hands the fingernails tend to have the most bacteria on them.

      4. Stickers get toss into the garbage. Or worse if you are eating on the run just littered.

      5. Pealing off stickers on some fruit can tare off the skin of the fruit.

      6. Stickers that fall off fruit could mean be misplaced, wrongly priced at checkout.

      I for one welcome or laser etched fruit overlords.

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    5. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by maxume · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously? You are worried about a couple of grams of stickers that come on a few hundred or thousand grams of fruit? You could probably eat bananas for a year and still fit the stickers inside your nose.

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    6. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Re: 1, absolutely.
      Re: 2, actually, in my experience they're usually plastic.

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    7. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by IBBoard · · Score: 1

      Washing fruit? Pah, I just give apples a quick rub on my t-shirt and then bite it ;)

      TBH it has been a long time since I last saw one with a label stuck on it, but maybe that's because I mainly get them at corporate lunches and from pre-picked bags rather than individual ones.

    8. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by mad_minstrel · · Score: 1

      Have you ever roasted an apple? The laser does the same thing. Besides, stickers need glue that I don't want on my food.

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    9. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you expect me to just take your word for that?

      I'll report back here in one year.

    10. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

      For lemons, limes, and oranges - fruits where the skin is used as a garnish - I'd prefer to stick with stickers. I can remove a sticker, but I can't un-etch the skin, and I may not be able to cut around it for a pretty orange twist in my cosmopolitan.

    11. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: Re: 2, you're right most are. Was thinking about some fruit I bought (perhaps local) that didn't have plastic stickers. Still though, it won't harm, plunder, spindle, or mutilate the earth to throw a little (small ;-) ) plastic sticker away.

    12. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Idbar · · Score: 1

      "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"
      Do you mean grapefruits?

    13. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Main+Gauche · · Score: 1

      Mmmm.... breaded bacteria in a gown.....*drool* *drool*

    14. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      citation and pictures required.

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    15. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Mythrix · · Score: 1

      Once my friends made smoothies, and we only found out that they had forgotten to take the label off when one of them almost drank it.

    16. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Not only that but I see some fruits as simply not taking this badging too well. I just can't see a coconut or kiwi being laser etched and legible, or a bundle of cilantro. We're still going to have stickers.

      And personally, even though fruit is a consumable, having any commercial markers that I can't remove I just find distasteful. Making a nice fruit basket as a gift just wouldn't look the same with laser etchings all over everything.

      Ah well. I grow my own watermelons, peaches, plums, grapes, blueberrys, apples, and pears anyways, so I'll still have good fruit there. Unfortunately my favorite fruits are kiwi's and tangelo's - neither of which grow in my climate :(.

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    17. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and he never made smoothies again...

    18. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymusing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

      Erm, never? Because I always wash my fruits (as in apples, pears) first before eating them?

      Even stupider, they're talking about laser etching on citrus fruit. You peel those fruits before you eat them (well, most people do). There are no stickers inside the fruit.

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    19. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2. Who knows what chemicals are left behind on the sticker.

      My guess would be the fruit companies and the sticker companies.

    20. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      Actually, at the rate I eat bananas I would probably fill my nose in a month tops. (Sticker is at least .1 cm cubed, my nose can contain about 3-4 cm cubed, ergo, a banana a day becomes 3 cm cubed in a month without difficulty.)

      But it's really not so much a waste issue as a nuisance. It's annoying that there's a 3-step process: Peel sticker, throw sticker in trash, throw peel in compost. With this etching it would be one step. Significant? No, but like everyone else on Slashdot, I'm lazy (though industrious enough to compost.)

    21. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Kozz · · Score: 4, Funny

      1. A sticker when placed will be a nice breading gown for bacteria. Then the sticker is often pealed off after the fruit is washed.

      My eyes, my eyes! Spelling! Punctuation! Please, tell me that English is not your first language... otherwise I hope you're still enrolled in English 101.

      But on the bright side, you win Google Golf for "breading gown".

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    22. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by maxume · · Score: 1

      My bunches of bananas only come with 1 or 2 stickers, so a banana a day turns into about 0.8 cm cubed per month.

      I usually take the stickers off when I get home from the store.

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    23. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Pikkebaas · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then, as soon as you tare the breading gown and peal or the skin which get toss in the garbage anyway.

    24. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by rhp997 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Improve checkout speed and accuracy; etch barcodes!

    25. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      You're quite right. They're still annoying.

    26. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by deemen · · Score: 4, Informative

      2. Who knows what chemicals are left behind on the sticker.

      4. Stickers get toss into the garbage. Or worse if you are eating on the run just littered.

      There are no chemicals. The stickers are made of starch, are printed on with edible dyes and are stuck on the fruit with a thin layer of glucose. They are in fact perfectly edible and biodegradable. It's quite possible laser etching (by heating the fruit) will produce more dangerous compounds. Frankly, this isn't even a problem, people just like the lasers because they look cool.

    27. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well despite everything you pointed out, his point was clear and made it across just fine to the rest of us.

      Your point however serves to add nothing for anyone, including the original poster purely from your insulting tone.

      If you want to help, or add to the discussion, then do so. Otherwise, just go the hell away and be quiet so the rest of us can enjoy our tech site without your spam and fodder.

    28. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by ICLKennyG · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't really care about this from the tinfoil hat perspective. If it's safe, and doesn't harm the fruit than I too will welcome our laser etched overlords with open arms.

      Don't for one minute, however, think that this is a greener solution. Last I checked, lasers take energy, and lots of it, to make their innards work. I have never bit into a sticker, nor do I really care about the minuscule space they take up in landfills or however you chose to dispose of them. This is a counter productive solution from a green perspective. And really, where outside of a grocery store produce section do you see more than the occasional fruit label laying on the ground?

      Also if you were really friendly composting tree huggers, you wouldn't be buying your produce from a megamart, you'd be eating locally grown produce you purchase directly from the farmer (sans sticker).

    29. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by bwalling · · Score: 1

      breading gown

      Is that to keep your shirt clean when you're making stuffing?

    30. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Atraxen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Last time I checked (in my lab yesterday afternoon) most lasers don't take much energy to run at all. My Nd:YAG pulsed laser is pretty beefy (Class IV, back of the envelope calc puts the intensity at 100 MW/pulse) runs on 110/120/220 V wall power, 50/60 Hz, and only pulls 10 amps. That's my big laser... then there's my two laser pointers that are run by AAA's or the little watch batteries, and have powered times in the hours range. Looking on the Coherent website (first one I came to) I see CO2 lasers with a "marking" application that use 12A power average (from a DC power supply). So, the power requirements are certainly no worse than that of the labeling machine that has to apply the stickers, and given the higher speeds possible for laser printing vs mechanical printing the throughput might make them far more efficient.

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    31. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, us real men don't eat no rabbit food. BBQing with laser won't tempt us.

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    32. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should go back, read what he popsted and not just post some sort of knee jerk reply?

      He is talking about his compost heap. You need to keep none compost item out of it in order to get a better compost.

      I don't care how many you can put in your nose, there still will not compost.

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    33. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Apart from the fact I've never taken a bite into a sticker, I've also never taken a bit out of the skin of a citrus fruit (like the one in the picture) so I don't think this is really going to be a big improvement in that department.

    34. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a practising homosexual you insensitive clod!

    35. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by zindorsky · · Score: 1

      A sticker when placed will be a nice breading gown for bacteria.

      I'm trying to picture what a "breading gown" is. I guess some kind of smock or dress that you wear while dipping food in batter before frying it.

      I don't know what bacteria would be doing with them though.

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    36. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by wzinc · · Score: 1

      Excellent idea!!!!

    37. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by mfraz74 · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking exactly the same thing

    38. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue isn't so much that the stickers poison the compost... The issue is that finished compost is used as a soil-supplement, and as potting soil. Having litter in your soil is yucky.

    39. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      I think the laser etching would be ok for stuff like oranges, grapefruit and bananas (fruits where the skin is typically not eaten)..

      I once met a banana that insisted that I eat it with skin! I found that odd as well, because usually it's the eaters that would insist on skin, not the other way round.

    40. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I compost all of my fruit, and this will be great, as fruit like bananas and oranges will no longer generate any waste I can't compost.

      ghave you actually looked into the horrible processes that going into harvesting bananas? from places like Costa Rica. your eating a fruit coated in Pesticides and fungicides, grown in plastic bags. of course I assume that you buy del monte or some other mass marketed fruit, if you grow them in your back yard more power to you.

    41. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      A 100 MegaWatt Pulse?

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    42. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Faerunner · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I'd rather have a slightly blemished, organically-grown apple I grew in my back yard than a blemish-free apple from Wal-Mart, carvings or not.

      I am always horrified by the amount of fruit that is tossed aside at the store for a small bruise, green spot, brown spot, scabbing, or other "blemish" that in no way affects the taste and/or can be easily removed with the tip of a sharp knife. One store near my last apartment used to put that kind of fruit on a "last chance" stand for a third of the price, and if you got it the day it was set out it would often be perfectly enjoyable. I rarely had to remove any whole fruits from the bags, I often got mixed bags of apples and oranges in quantities that two people could actually eat (vs. buying single ones or whole bags at the front of the store) and I was able to get fruits that I otherwise wouldn't have gotten, like two pints of slightly dry blueberries (not a single rotten fruit, just "old") which made amazing blueberry and white chocolate tarts. Bruised apples make perfectly good pie, too - once they're baked, you will never notice the bruised parts.

      Maybe instead of figuring out how to etch things onto fruit, they need to be working on educating consumers about how to use fruit that's already got markings on it!

    43. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by moortak · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried that it would alter the taste of orange or lemon zest for recipes.

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    44. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Not the plastic ones on the fruit I've seen, aren't.

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    45. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      No, but if you're composting you don't want a plastic sticker in the compost.

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    46. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Atraxen · · Score: 1

      Yep - remember, even a pulse has a time width, and it's pretty easy to get to high powers (in wattage) if the power is compressed in a small-enough time and. W = J / s Deposit 100 mJ in a ns-ps time window, you'll get some shocking-looking numbers. Then toss that energy into a heat capacity equation, and you'll find that while blackbodies absorbing the light will have a big temperature jump right away, once that heat energy has partitioned into the rest of the material it's pretty easy for the temp change to be negligible (realigning the outcome to our everyday expectations.)

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    47. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Convector · · Score: 1

      Not yet! I'm working on it. It'll be a few months for my stickerfruit to ripen.

    48. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Five+Bucks! · · Score: 1

      You can give me spots on my apples but leave me the birds and the bees, please.

      Blemish-free is pesticide-rich ;)

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    49. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I compost all of my fruit, and this will be great, as fruit like bananas and oranges will no longer generate any waste I can't compost.

      Just eat the goddamned stickers, you twit -- let them self-compost.

      Sheesh.

    50. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you are washing them with soap then. Modern pesticides are designed to resist the effects of simple water (don't want them washing away with the rain).

    51. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you've never seen the first 5 minutes of U571!

    52. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by sincewhen · · Score: 1
      Not here in Australia. Our fruit has real plastic labels.

      But if you can't identify and remove the sticker yourself, you need to be fed by someone else anyway...

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    53. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by fritish · · Score: 1

      What about those of us that need the zest of the fruit for cooking? Or use lemon peel/orange peel in mixed drinks? Personally, I'm not sure I would care about my own drink, but I would avoid putting the laser etched parts in guests drinks (for aesthetic reasons).

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    54. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

      Atraxen, You forgot to factor in the actual printing process of the bio-starch labels...and all the little painter people who will lose their jobs when they have no labels to paint apples or other fruit on.

    55. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Nivag064 · · Score: 1

      Hmm...

      'starch', 'edible dyes', 'glucose', are all either chemicals or mixtures of chemicals.

      Any substance comprising one or more chemical elements, is a chemical.

      I don't like 'mushroom farmers' - people who prefer to keep people in the dark and feed them bullshit.

    56. Re:An answer in search for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But on the bright side, you win Google Golf for "breading gown" http://www.google.com/search?q=%22breading%20gown%22[google.com].

      Lord, how I love self-referential humor.

  5. Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by SerpentMage · · Score: 0

    Ok the article talks about laser etching... Meaning it burns the skin... What does the article comment say:

    Is that ink? What is it made of?
    Honestly, I have some reservations about zesting that into my lemon squares

    All I can think of is Homer Simpson... Do people not think about things at all???? Do people not understand English? Etching means...

    to cut, bite, or corrode with an acid or the like;

    In this case it is a laser, and hence it means to cut or bite with a laser... I just shake my head...

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    1. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wow, do you just totally not understand laser etching or are you acting ignorant on purpose?

      Laser etching uses thermal energy (heat) to burn the surface, causing the colour to change. There are no inks, acids, or any other additives. It's no different from sticking it under a broiler and waiting, but with a laser you pack the energy into a small burst so you don't cook the whole fruit, just the surface.

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    2. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they have a problem with the part where etching causes a BLUE mark

    3. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      I do understand laser etching...

      Read the article, and read the comment afterwards...

      In fact you are making my point completely!!!!

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    4. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Wooooooosh!

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    5. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Ah... I missed the quotation, I thought that was you speaking. If you'd <blockquote> your quotes it'd be easier to tell they're there...

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    6. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by malakai · · Score: 1

      Here, let me fix this for you:

      Put the <blockquote> here....

      Is that ink? What is it made of?
      Honestly, I have some reservations about zesting that into my lemon squares

      Put the </blockquote> here....

      Now people won't think you are the retard that you quoted.

    7. Re:Wow Humans Have Little Clue... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      this is quoted

      this is blockquoted

      Out of curiosity, are you aware that there's a noteworthy difference between <quote> and <blockquote> on here?

      <quote> suppresses the quotation from the one-line view of the comment; <blockquote> does not. If your quote comes at or very near the beginning of your comment, it might be worth the moment it takes to decide which one you prefer.

      Collapse my comment and see for yourself.

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  6. can we burn our MP3 files on this lemon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can we burn our MP3 files on this lemon? :)

    1. Re:can we burn our MP3 files on this lemon? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Use a lime, thread several onto long string, give to neighbour. Whoops, illegal file sharing on limewire...

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  7. Barcodes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Does this mean we can finally replace PLUs with UPCs? I'd no longer have to wait in the self-checkout line behind the guy who's looking for a picture of an endive.

  8. Boon! by aerthling · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is particularly good news for me, because I can only eat foods that have been etched with a laser. Goodbye scurvy!

    1. Re:Boon! by Vovk · · Score: 1

      Drink Tang! I assure you that the label was made with a laser printer (not exactly etching... but burning toner)

    2. Re:Boon! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Erm, laser printers don't burn the toner... the laser imparts a static charge to the surface of a rubber drum, which makes the toner stick to it. (Yes, I'm always this pedantic.)

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  9. Making fruit less usefull by CaptBubba · · Score: 0

    Great, now when I need zest for a recipe, instead of just being able to give a fruit a good wash and scrub (which you are supposed to do before eating it anyway) I will have to use more fruit to get the same amount of zest because I will have to avoid the massive laser etched brand names that this will inevitably lead to.

    1. Re:Making fruit less usefull by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Great, now when I need zest for a recipe, instead of just being able to give a fruit a good wash and scrub (which you are supposed to do before eating it anyway) I will have to use more fruit to get the same amount of zest because I will have to avoid the massive laser etched brand names that this will inevitably lead to.

      So you'd need to find the brands that don't do this, like one already has to do (at least in the UK) to avoid the ones which are waxed to make them last longer.

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  10. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do we need a sticker label anyway? Just label the punnets or crates or whatever the fruit are shipped in, and assume the contents match? Seems like a solution in search of a problem...

  11. Solution in search of a problem? by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    The sales pitch: "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    1. If this sales pitch were any dumber, I'd assume it was a quote from a Simpsons episode I had somehow missed.

    2. Getting rid of fruit labels is a bad marketing idea. Kids freakin love them.

    3. Any sales pitch like this is indicative of a solution in search of a problem. It sounds like a pitch from a bad infomercial.

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    1. Re:Solution in search of a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder who doesn't wash their fruit before eating them?

      If you don't wash them the thick layer of wax and pesticides surely cover the strange taste of the sticker; not to mention all the disgusting people that insist on touching every last piece of fruit before deciding not to buy any.

    2. Re:Solution in search of a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. On rare occasions, it happens to the best of us. I swear I've checked a fruit, and no sooner than I'm two bites in that I find a damn sticker still on there. Sometimes, you just miss it. And if you're saying this has never, EVER happened to you... you're either lying, or never eat fruit... at which point, this topic is irrelevant to you.

      2. Only one kid I've ever known EVER collected the stickers. And for the several that do collect them, I wouldn't count on a child's sticker-want to affect overall sales enough to warrant the extra cost of the stickers themselves.

      3. What do you mean in search of a problem? There's a clear problem that they're solving. Stickers = unwanted waste and bacteria grounds. Pretty blatant, really. That's like saying we should never have invented pens, because there was nothing wrong with a pencil.

  12. Is this an infomercial? by hal2814 · · Score: 1

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    What the hell? This sounds like infomercial lady. You know, the lady who can't open jars, puts her lamps too far away from the bed to be able to turn them off from the bed, learned basic household tasks like cleaning the bathroom or doing laundry by watching Vaudeville shows, can't figure out that she needs to wear a sports bra with a tank top, etc. This person is already too dumb to live. Let's not help her out further by using a frickin laser to etch info on the sides of fruit just so she doesn't have to worry to check for the sticker which is almost always there (and pretty hard to miss when you're washing the fruit).

    1. Re:Is this an infomercial? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      can't figure out that she needs to wear a sports bra with a tank top, etc. This person is already too dumb to live

      Whoa whoa whoa! We need more of those people.

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  13. Corporate advertising. by Dan541 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This Apple brought to you by Apple"

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    1. Re:Corporate advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you may not take a bite of this apple since it is a registered trademark of Apple.

    2. Re:Corporate advertising. by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, no, no... you have to take the bite. It's not the Apple logo unless you take the bite.

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    3. Re:Corporate advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eating this apple constitutes copyright infringement as another copy of the apple must be loaded into your stomach/intestines for digestion?

    4. Re:Corporate advertising. by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's nothing. If Apple starts making laser etched fruit trendy, soon they'll have a whole produce division! Couple that with genetic modification and one day I'll be able to compare Apple's Oranges to Orange Apples and.....oh no, I've gone cross-eyed....

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    5. Re:Corporate advertising. by LtGordon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apple is currently working on technology to inscribe a EULA on the inside of the peel.

    6. Re:Corporate advertising. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's why you can't take a bite out of it. Before the bite, it doesn't infringe the logo (that's why the grocery shop could sell you it...), it's only by biting it that you infringed the trademark!

    7. Re:Corporate advertising. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      If it's Apple's corporate advertising, it's not infringement, though.

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    8. Re:Corporate advertising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not a bite, it's a dent
      (you know - from when it fell on newton's head?)

    9. Re:Corporate advertising. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      I'm sure something like this could be done with focused microwaves. Could be a neat promotional thing to have a competition result on the inside peel of an orange.

  14. Dude by ShooterNeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For a technology site, most of the comments here are surprisingly anti-technology.

    A new graphics card comes out? Commentors will gripe that old school games with shitty graphics are better anyway.

    A new CPU comes out? Same thing : commentors will complain that extra CPU power is just more cycles for crummy, inefficient programming to squander with useless eye candy features.

    A laser that eliminates that annoying plastic label on fruit and the FCKING ARTICLE says that it's safe? Commentors say that THEY won't benefit because THEY always peel and wash their fruit, and they're afraid that the lasering will make fruit decay sooner (without reading the article that says the lasering does not appreciably damage the fruit's skin)

    1. Re:Dude by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here!

    2. Re:Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who are heavily involved in technology are more likely to be aware that it is a tool to be used appropriately. Not the anodyne to everything and not, per se, better.

    3. Re:Dude by TheTrollToll · · Score: 2, Funny

      While we're at it why don't we complain that the CO2 laser is going to increase gobal warming

    4. Re:Dude by xtracto · · Score: 1

      That's because the only people that comment is to beach and moan about the story. Those others who think it is cool will read the summary or maaaaaaybe read the story and skip to the next item in slashdot (which, if they find stupid, then they will comment about it)

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    5. Re:Dude by xtracto · · Score: 1

      s/beach/bitch/g

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    6. Re:Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      browncoats always peel their fruit.

    7. Re:Dude by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I gotta tell ya, "beach" is funnier. The mental image of bloated slashdotters flailing their useless arms about, stuck on the border of land and sea, loudly complaining about fruit labeling improvements that have literally zero downsides is difficult to suppress.

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    8. Re:Dude by emm-tee · · Score: 2

      For a technology site, most of the comments here are surprisingly anti-technology.

      A new graphics card comes out? Commentors will gripe that old school games with shitty graphics are better anyway.

      Darn kids! Get off my lawn!

      On topic... I hate those stickers. They end up stuck to random things. Some people seem to stick them to things (e.g. in a line around the edge of their monitor). I find them a bit disgusting, in a similar way to chewing gum that gets stuck everywhere. Weird and irrational, I know. :)

    9. Re:Dude by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've noticed that being technologically savvy or skeptical about one thing doesn't always translate well into other fields. I've seen people say that naturopathy is nonsense because natural doesn't mean beneficial, then almost in the same sentence praise organic food because it is natural and therefore better. Look at Bill Maher criticize creationism as unscientific, then spew fearmongering about medical science and support magic based alternative medicines. People, in general, don't seem to be good at applying one standard set of reasoning to everything they encounter. I'm kinda surprised when I see someone on this site exhibit technophobia or praise pseudoscience (like as seen in today's dowsing article), but at the same time I also expect it. Food is one area where this appears to be especially true. Expect this laser etching thing to cause cancer (or some other disease of the day). Well, it won't really cause cancer, but some forwarded email will claim it, then some luddite quack will provide supporting evidence for it (based on a study with a sample size of 3), and we'll have another 'controversial' technique that 'they' are using to impurify our precious bodily fluids.

    10. Re:Dude by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You are correct. After 9/11 this site become a lot more political and anti-whatever.

      The most pathetic thing is these people think there contributing something.

      Very anti-change. If' ti's different it must be worse. Forget the fact that improvments are almost always better, cheaper safer then previoud, that's why they're improvements.

      This is a LASER writing on fruit so precisely it doesn't break the skin, it's cheaper then stickers, and it's a LASER.

      Seriously people.

      I wish ther was a way to make people read the article before posting. Or at least increase the odds. Maybe they need to click on the link in order to post. Yeah, easy to get around but if it would increase the odds, it would be worth it.

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    11. Re:Dude by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Or been here from when there was a lot less of this whiny crap.

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    12. Re:Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What means anti-technology? and what is suprising? There are two different things, the technology its self and how and for what you use it. Electricity is great, this doesnt means that I have to put electrodes in my ass...and laser is great but this doesnt means I have to etch my kids foreheads with their names to remember them...

      I thing that is very common and normal for close-to-tecnology people to see critically the applications of technology.

      And for this case, I dont thing there is really something technologicaly new in essense, the CO2 laser is here for years, it can etch many materials, and I cant see how the stickers in the fruits are a problem. Instead I read this is a patended (!) technology and in my oppinion is more marketing-oriented. In the end, WHY EVERY fruit must has its label if this isn't just marketing ? I say its insane. Also thing that, appart from this is very impressive (or digusting) to see this, that etching is not-removable, and everyone has to see it until he actualy eats or dispose the fruit.(you fork a tomato piece from the salad, and before you eat it -ofcource you look at it- and what you see?? a "SUPER TOMATO COMPANY" etch....common...mercy...the next thing is that when you fart, your ass will sing the company's advertising song of the food you had eaten.

    13. Re:Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not anti-technology, but it certainly seems like overkill. What's wrong with printing / branding if you want to mark the skin rather than the fruit? No need for complex laser optics, just an iron or a stamp. Technology we've used and understood for years. In addition to that, if your selling point is that people don't like having to remove stickers, why the hell are you doing it to citrus fruit? They all have a skin that is removed before eating!

    14. Re:Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a laser isn't mounted on a shark's head, then it isn't really an interesting laser.

    15. Re:Dude by Vovk · · Score: 1

      virtually no downsides?

      First they'll laser etch your fruit, then they'll laser etch your BABIES!

    16. Re:Dude by Vovk · · Score: 1

      pfft... I just eat my apples whol*pop*

    17. Re:Dude by amplt1337 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Arrogant tech nerds (myself included) are often suspicious of change. There's something just so satisfying about being able to say "Nuh uh, you're wrong!" or otherwise indulge in world-weary cynicism.

      Besides, I like to think of Slashdot as being populated almost entirely by Andy Rooney.

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    18. Re:Dude by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I wish ther was a way to make people read the article before posting. Or at least increase the odds. Maybe they need to click on the link in order to post. Yeah, easy to get around but if it would increase the odds, it would be worth it.

      Well, decent summaries would help. But the odds of rejection are high at Slashdot, so most people don't put any effort into summaries.

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    19. Re:Dude by businessnerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've noticed this here myself and after thinking about it, it makes perfect sense. You see, there is a perception amongst the general population that nerds/geeks are early adopters of technology because nerds love technology so obviously we're going to be the first to adopt. However, nerds also tend to be very practical and we generally would know more about what the new technology does, and what is already out there (that others may not yet know of). So our practicality tells us that before we adopt new technology, that technology needs to be proven to us (exception being for those developing the new technology). We are smart enough to know what happens when you adopt a technology before its proven. You spend a lot of money on something that under delivers and maybe even disapears or is replaced soon by something better. Or maybe it was just never a good idea to begin with. Mini-discs come to mind as a technology that briefly filled a gap until CD-Rs and mp3 players were ready and accessible to the consumer. And that segways perfectly to my other point, that nerds are more aware of what else is on the horizon. For me, I'm hesitant to make my MythTV DVR ready for HD, when I feel the better solution is an internet streaming tv model like what Boxee is trying to do. We didn't buy the mini-disc because we knew that CD-R was out there, it just needed time for the costs to come down, so why spend money on mini-disc, when a more lasting technology is almost ready.

      Or maybe we're all just cheap at heart and know that with a little extra ingenuity, we can get the same benefit that this new technology offers without spending any money.

      But maybe the real reason is that we are all too smart for our own good. We're too skeptical. Maybe we're the only ones learning from Man's mistakes. Everything is too good to be true, so we have to think and analyze and try to poke as many holes in the technology until it is proven that its impenetrable.

      Or is it that new technology, in this 21st centuraly society, is now trendy, and when have nerds and geeks ever been trendy. I guess it is our curse. As soon as our own interests become trendy, we're no longer interested in them. Just wait, everyone will be using Linux, Anime will be on primetime TV, and all the popular girls want to date the president of the chess club. But where will all the nerds be, well, we will have moved on to evangalizing the next great OS that only works if you're a real techy, downloading Danish animation that makes Japanese tentacle porn look childish, and forming a professional Quidditch league complete with nuclear powered brooms.

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    20. Re:Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if skepticism is a natural attribute of intelligence. This would mean that every new piece of information is evaluated critically instead of swallowing all the hype whole.

      Overall, this makes for good discussion. Sure, it can come across whiny and bitchy on occasion, but it's much more interesting to talk about a product's pitfalls than to just repeat the marketing hype and get all "OMG nerdgasm!!!1!"

    21. Re:Dude by malakai · · Score: 1

      I think it has to do with age. A large portion of us have been here from 1999'ish. That's 10 years ago. If we were 23 then, we're 33 now. If we were cynical then, imagine what we are now.

      I've caught myself numerous times typing a reply to something and the cynicism was dripping from my fingers. To correct this, I just don't post much anymore.

    22. Re:Dude by pregister · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Day 1 had to end eventually.

    23. Re:Dude by geekoid · · Score: 1

      maybe a good summary would help them get accepted?

      Oh who am I kidding.

      Maybe a random question regarding the linked article. When is the 7th word in the third line?
      Change it for each person.

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    24. Re:Dude by geekoid · · Score: 1

      More like Andy Rooney;s younger, drunker, and more abusive sister.

      I wouldn't mind it as much if every time they are wrong(most of the time) they said they were wrong.

      Hey, I like telling people there wrong as much as the next guy, but I try to be sure I am right first.

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    25. Re:Dude by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      Actually, the mini-disc was real handy if you were a professional musician during it's era. I think there was a period of 5 years or so when the mini-disc reined supreme in the pro audio world.

      If you made your mythTV DVR able to support HD (going to need a beefier CPU to do those reencodes) you would be enjoying your favorite shows in HD. It'll be years before Boxee and other internet firms can afford the bandwidth (and you have sufficient connection speed) to deliver shows in credible HD.

    26. Re:Dude by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      maybe a good summary would help them get accepted?

      My submission history (albeit a short one) would tend to not support that notion.

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  15. Finally. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank god we've finally gotten to the bottom of that whole fruit label thing. Maybe now we can get around to tackling cancer.

    1. Re:Finally. by maxume · · Score: 1

      Survival rates for cancer go up each year. The treatments become more refined (making them easier to go through) and better targeted (meaning they work better).

      You are joking, but a serious look at the success of cancer treatments now and then can only lead to the conclusion that things are getting better at a pretty good clip.

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    2. Re:Finally. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I get it, my mom survived breast cancer.

      Thanks for shitting all over everything I said, though. Much appreciated.

    3. Re:Finally. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I didn't shit on anything. See, yesterday, I overheard two morons in the local library discussing all the governments lies (they never thought to question each others credibility), and one of the fun things they were discussing was how 'all that money' has gone into cancer research and nothing has come of it, and that there were conspiracies to 'make sure people didn't eat foods that made them better' so that 'some people could make money on it' and you happened to touch that nerve (you didn't say anything stupid, you just conveyed indifference...which is the sort of things those morons will take as agreeing with their idiocy).

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    4. Re:Finally. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      Thanks for clearing that up, you sound much less crazy now.

    5. Re:Finally. by maxume · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're the one not wearing any pants.

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    6. Re:Finally. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      touche, good sir.

    7. Re:Finally. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      best conclusion to a slashdot thread, ever.

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    8. Re:Finally. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      Quite right, old bean.

    9. Re:Finally. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Maybe now we can get around to tackling cancer.

      So, let's start by transforming dull apple skin into nicely charred carcinogens!

    10. Re:Finally. by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure the same people are working on those two problems....But if they were, I bet all cancer treatments would involve lasers....

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    11. Re:Finally. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Hey! If I lived in my mom's basement I wouldn't wear any pants either (or shirt or shoes for that matter). Well, except maybe when I had to. Like when I went upstairs for meals.

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  16. Re:Really? Laser etching? by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

    The spammers will instantly attack bananas with ads for P3N1$ EnL4rg3mEnt or V14gra.

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  17. Re:Really? Laser etching? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gives you more reason to put a banana in your pants.

  18. Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by thue · · Score: 1

    Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all!

    If you need to label it "Florida citrus", do it on the outside the box in the supermarket.

    Actually that labelling on the fruit must be a US thing. They don't do it here in Denmark.

    1. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by thetagger · · Score: 1

      Actually that labelling on the fruit must be a US thing. They don't do it here in Denmark.

      And most of the world I guess. In most countries, people don't need a sticker to tell them that an apple is an apple and a watermelon is a watermelon.

    2. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      Most countries don't have hordes of Sarbanes-Oxley accountants who can only identify an object if it has been pre-labeled for them. Same goes for OO programmers. [go ahead, mod me into oblivion!!]

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    3. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How will you know it's an orange then?

    4. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Germany, we don't have redundant stickers that tell you what you are looking at. However many fruit like apples, bananas, kiwis, etc. occasionally have a small sticker with the brand/vendor name; usually on 2-3 items prominently placed on top of each palett.

      I would have expected that to be the same for the US. Looking at the pictures in TFA I can't help but wonder how stupid people can be. Please tell me that this is not really the way fruit is labeled over there :D

    5. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the people that work in the supermarkets know what the difference is between various fruits? They apparently haven't gotten that straight here 'cause they need a code to tell them that.

    6. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Actually that labelling on the fruit must be a US thing. They don't do it here in Denmark.

      Here in Luxembourg, they do label fruit, but only one apple out of ten, or so. Or only one banana per hand.

      Although lately this has changed: we're seeing more and more apple crates where every single apple has a label, or hands of bananas where each finger has its own label...

    7. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't always sold in a box.

      If you hand the checkout lady a bag of loose fruit, there has to be some way for her to figure out which variety of apples they are (they might be differently priced).

      Of course male checkers will just say "apple, durr, which code for apple do I first happen to see on this chart".

    8. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Hands/fingers of bananas? That's a new one to me.

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    9. Re:Or... Don't label it on the fruit at all! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Hands/fingers of bananas? That's a new one to me.

      Here is what Wikipedia says about it:

      The banana fruit grow in hanging clusters, with up to 20 fruit to a tier (called a hand), and 3–20 tiers to a bunch. The total of the hanging clusters is known as a bunch, or commercially as a "banana stem", and can weigh from 30–50 kg. The fruit averages 125 g, of which approximately 75% is water and 25% dry matter content. Each individual fruit (known as a banana or 'finger') has a protective outer layer (a peel or skin) with a fleshy edible inner portion.

  19. can't they just make the sticker edible? by locksmith101 · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Maybe it's just me, but I feel that I haven't tasted a real fruit (or vegetable) for some years now. Non-organic fruits have a similar tasteless taste. Anyway, making fruity flavoured edible stickers would make just as much sense as tattooing food.

    1. Re:can't they just make the sticker edible? by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

      And the roadside fruit stand sellers know this. Bought some really delectable fruit at a fruit stand in season -- at 3 times the cost of the grocery store. But, the roadside stand seller knows this; and he was still making a huge profit that day.

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  20. Solving nothing, there is no problem by captainpanic · · Score: 1

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?

    Answer: Never
    They're quite easy to spot: they look like a little sticker label.
    In addition, most fruits here don't even have a sticker. We're quite capable of distinguishing between a banana and an apple without sticker. :D

    1. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by jollespm · · Score: 1

      But can you tell the difference between an Cortland and a McIntosh apple by looking at them? How about organic vs. non-organic produce.

    2. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

      I can't. Thankfully, there are signs on the shelves.

    3. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition, most fruits here don't even have a sticker. We're quite capable of distinguishing between a banana and an apple without sticker. :D

      Well, you've never met my wife

    4. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by hotkey · · Score: 1

      I'll give you bananas (we have only the 'regular' ones and the 'organic' variety, whatever that means). However, my grocery store probably has more than ten varieties of apples. I'm quite happy that most of them are labeled with a number that the scanning drone can input directly in the cash register. Quicker, less error prone, and probably easier than having to learn or look-up the code for all the different fruits (what the heck is a durian?) Etched bar code or numbers would be ever nicer.

    5. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by knarfling · · Score: 1

      And of course, if one variety is cheaper than another, no customer would EVER tell the cashier the wrong name in order to save some money. Could NEVER happen. And you know that those $4.50/hr cashiers have been trained extensively to be able to tell the difference between a Gala and a Braeburn at a glance. Obviously they have also been trained to tell a Valencia Orange from an Orlando or a Tangelo as well. /sarcasm

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    6. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by smurfsurf · · Score: 1

      Oh, stickers are obviously the way to go then, because these cheating customers would NEVER switch them.

      Let me tell you buy not-prepacked produce that is sold by weight in a supermarket in Europe.

      You put the fruits you want into a thin plastic bag, put them on a scale, press the buttom for the product (by picture/name or the number shown at the shelf) and attach the printed sticker to your bag. In some markets, the scale is integrated into the cash register, so the cashier weights it for you.

      The different kinds of apples /oranges etc. usually cost the same, so no problem there. And the cashiers usually know their produce, but they can check with an illustrated chart if in doubt.

      Might sound strange, but it works, and for a very long time know. Maybe it would not work in your country because of education issues you mentioned or because people act too dishonest to offset the cost savings for the market.

    7. Re:Solving nothing, there is no problem by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      In addition, most fruits here don't even have a sticker. We're quite capable of distinguishing between a banana and an apple without sticker. :D

      Well, you've never met my wife

      You usually call them nuts, not apples, you braggard!

  21. Good Luck... by LordofEntropy · · Score: 1

    with getting the sharks focused on labeling produce.

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  22. Won't help - produce codes by BriGal · · Score: 1

    The etching may be all well and good for the brand names, but I believe most grocery stores use different produce codes. So the individual stores will still need to put stickers on.

    1. Re:Won't help - produce codes by maxume · · Score: 1

      Probably not, the stores have managed to adapt to boxes that are the same across the nation.

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    2. Re:Won't help - produce codes by nate_in_ME · · Score: 1

      Not the case, at least from my experience... At several stores I've shopped and/or worked at, both in the midwest and New England, bananas, for example, have always been PLU code 4011. Most others have been the same as well, except, for example, in specialty items that are not available everywhere.

    3. Re:Won't help - produce codes by LMacG · · Score: 1

      No, bananas (non-organic) are 4011 from California to the New York island, From the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream waters.

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    4. Re:Won't help - produce codes by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      In the US, produce codes are standardized. 4011 is always banana. 94011 is an organic banana.

  23. How long before they "enhance" the appearance by FridgeFreezer · · Score: 1

    If they can laser etch messages then the next step is using it to remove blemishes, enhance the appearance, and effectively "photoshop" food to make it appear more photogenic.

    Then again, am I the only one who thinks this could be the next step in tattoo art - never mind some hairy goth with a needle, give me a CNC laser that can print my choice of design onto my arm at 1200dpi and I might consider it.

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    1. Re:How long before they "enhance" the appearance by GuyFawkes · · Score: 1

      The word you are looking for is not "print" or "tattoo", it is "brand" as in burn.

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  24. those stickers are edible by j1mmy · · Score: 1

    they don't taste that bad, really.

    1. Re:those stickers are edible by the+biologist · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between "edible" and "you'll pass it through like sand".

    2. Re:those stickers are edible by hmar · · Score: 1

      I find them in my daughter's diapers every now and then.

    3. Re:those stickers are edible by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      TMI, man...

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  25. We don't need no stickers at all.. by discomike · · Score: 1

    You could put the label on the boxes, or on a sign in the store.. come to think of it, they already do, so why the hell do you need stickers on each individual piece of fruit?

    1. Re:We don't need no stickers at all.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cause cashiers can't distinguish a banana from a plum if there isn't a sticker with the number ...
      No kidding, when I buy vegetables (say boston lettuce) they ask me what it is ...
      This is *america* what do you expect?
      People that can think and type numbers at the same time ?

    2. Re:We don't need no stickers at all.. by mopslik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At my local grocery store, they sell three different types of bananas: "standard" (49c/lb), organic (79c/lb) and fair trade (89c/lb). Without some form of labelling, the cashier cannot distinguish between the types.

      Of course, the self-checkout lanes make this entire argument almost moot...

    3. Re:We don't need no stickers at all.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like those self-checkout lanes. Organic bananas for the price of regular! :)

  26. Sad Cats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well what the hell am i supposed to stick on my cats' foreheads now.

    1. Re:Sad Cats by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      Frickin' lasers!

  27. I don't want to know where it comes from . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    . . . I want to know if it tastes good.

    Fruit should be lasered according to how it tastes: "Good", "Great!", "Sweaty Tennis Socks", etc.

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    1. Re:I don't want to know where it comes from . . . by gander666 · · Score: 1

      But what would you write on Durian?

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    2. Re:I don't want to know where it comes from . . . by scasagrande · · Score: 1

      But what would you write on Durian?

      The OP did mention "Sweaty Tennis Socks", so we're covered.

  28. Long Run by Demonantis · · Score: 1

    Considering the amount of fruit that is produced in a given year, even though the stickers are really cheap. This system will probably pay for itself fairly quickly just by removing the cost of putting the stickers on. I suspect that once the FDA approves it we will be seeing it all over the market more for this reason then for the consumers. I'm excited because all the people that litter and paste them on things won't be able to anymore.

    1. Re:Long Run by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      This system will probably pay for itself fairly quickly just by removing the cost of putting the stickers on.

      Lasers take quite a bit of power to run, though...

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    2. Re:Long Run by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You might be surprised.

      BTW, 10 amps x 120 volts = 1200 watts, e.g. the same as twelve 100-watt light bulbs.

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  29. I've never bit into fruit with labels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...'coz I wash my greens/fruits carefully before eating them. Anything else would be just disgusting.

  30. And you think it will just be for labeling? by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once this is in use, I don't imagine it will be long before your fruit is covered with more ads than a NASCAR racing suit. On the up-side, the opportunities for a bit of creative pranking are just about limitless.

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    1. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by cowscows · · Score: 1

      If this is so inevitable, then why weren't the bananas that I bought the other day covered in dozens of advertising stickers?

      Oh yeah, it's because most people like for their produce to look nice, and wouldn't buy a piece of fruit that they couldn't visually inspect. Drawing all over a fruit with a laser is almost as visually obtrusive as putting stickers all over it, and would cause most people to look elsewhere.

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    2. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and what's stopping them from doing that with stickers right now?

    3. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Manufacturing, transporting, loading and attaching stickers takes a lot more materials and energy than the tiny bit needed to fire a message out of a laser. In short, covering fruit with stickers would be expensive and difficult to accomplish. As for the idea that people like their fruit to look nice...that could be dealt with by design, price, or simply by not giving you a choice. If all your bananas are 1/4 covered with messages, what are you going to do about it? Not buy any?

      Good luck with that.

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    4. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this going to be any different from the stickers?

    5. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by khallow · · Score: 1

      As for the idea that people like their fruit to look nice...that could be dealt with by design, price, or simply by not giving you a choice. If all your bananas are 1/4 covered with messages, what are you going to do about it? Not buy any?

      Yes. It's why they don't currently throw advertising on bananas. Not worth the cost and lost business. Having said that, if they come up with an attractive way to decorate fruit (even if it's with ads) so that people are willing to pay for it, then more power to them.

    6. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by ojintoad · · Score: 1

      ala Alice in Wonderland - make it say "Eat me."

    7. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      If all your bananas are 1/4 covered with messages, what are you going to do about it? Not buy any?

      I dunno... maybe trade your banana for the one you want to have? Why pay for something that you can have for free?

    8. Re:And you think it will just be for labeling? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      That's not Alice in Wonderland, that's the restaurant at the end of the universe.

      Or maybe it's both.

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  31. Never. by nmg196 · · Score: 1

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?

    Never. Not a single time. Unless you eat fruit in the dark, or are blind, this simply never happens and this is a solution looking for a problem.
    Personally I think it makes the fruit itself somehow artificial and unappealing. I doubt this will ever catch on. I'd rather eat one that hasn't been maimed - it will also look nicer in the fruit bowl without the skin-spam.

  32. We need more moderation choices by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    because I would select "Scary but True +1" for your post.

    We could have the reverse too "Turn in your tinfoil hat -1"

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  33. How many times...? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1, Troll

    How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?

    Exactly as many times, as a happened to be a complete and utter drooling retard with no right to live, who should have long ago received a Darwin award! (I.e. never!)

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    1. Re:How many times...? by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Parse error on line 1.

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    2. Re:How many times...? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      So you are unable to detect, that the "a" was supposed to be an "I"??

      Look at the mirror. Did the drooling already start?

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  34. Re:Really? Laser etching? by bcmm · · Score: 1

    See, this makes me think about this the other way 'round: ads etched on tablets. Spammers could provide free, ad-supported medication for dangerous off-label use.

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  35. Sounds good unless.. by Magreger_V · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds good as long as it doesn't compromise the foods shelf life in any way. The skin on fruits and vegetables is a barrier against pathogens. If the skin is broken or marked the fruit will spoil much faster.

    1. Re:Sounds good unless.. by xtracto · · Score: 1

      I can imagine fruit flies might find those burnt segments of the fruit a welcome place to put their eggs.

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    2. Re:Sounds good unless.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pathogens. FFS, eat the apple and quit yer bitchin'.

  36. Dear /. editors by arielCo · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Anybody know how submissions are processed for acceptance? I guess it's nice to see the story finally made it, even if someone else had to submit it again almost a month later.

    arielCo writes "Those helpful-yet-annoying little stickers on fruits that tell the cashier the variety and brand may be replaced with a CO2 laser etching. Quoth the PhysOrg article: "the laser cauterizes the peel, much like when a laser is used on human skin. The cauterized area is impenetrable to pathogens and decay organisms and resists water loss". Demonstrated on a grapefruit, it is due for testing on "tomatoes, avocado and other citrus fruits". The original paper (abstract) requires a paid subscription."

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    1. Re:Dear /. editors by hughperkins · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Never mind, try again tomorrow. All the best articles come twice!

  37. Remove sticker before inserting in mouth. by Kartoffel · · Score: 1

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    ZERO. Don't you wash your fruit before eating it? Sheesh.

  38. Could we be any more lazy? by dae3dae3 · · Score: 1

    Now we can't even be bothered to peel a tiny sticker off a piece of fruit.

  39. Oh the tyranny of fruit stickers by BeanThere · · Score: 1

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    Honestly? Never. Ever. I didn't know this was a problem tha

  40. I, for one by osomoore · · Score: 1

    welcome our new laser-etched fruit-lords.

  41. Re:Really? Laser etching? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's next? Advertisement on fruit? Sure... just cover all my food with viagra ads.

    They should do that with the "enlarge your manhood" ads and bananas. Some of those huge bananas that the American multinationals seem to favour made me quite jealous :-/

  42. In other words... by axl917 · · Score: 1

    money is being spent to protect people from their own stupidity.

    Biting into the label? Seriously?

  43. Meh by ladadadada · · Score: 1

    This is another one of those annoying blog posts where some uninformed non-scientist copy-pastes an article from a reputable scientific reporting organisation. At least in this case he linked to the original: http://www.physorg.com/news176483573.html which appears to be a duplicate of an even older article: http://www.physorg.com/news170927623.html

    The main advantage appears to be not that people don't have to peel the sticker off before eating their apples but rather that the label cannot be tampered with. (Or at least, not easily.)

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  44. Massive grapefruit by snsh · · Score: 1

    Where can I buy one of these massive grapefruits from Florida? Or are they talking about Ricky Williams' head?

  45. Re:Already in use in Congress by GaryOlson · · Score: 1

    Damn, you're right! This is must be what happens to members of Congress. As soon as they are sworn in, each member of Congress is laser etched with an identifier. This allows for faster rot and corruption.

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  46. I'll be rich by gtall · · Score: 1

    my fruit label collection is going to be worth millions!

  47. So, what does that mean.... by dals_rule · · Score: 1

    ...for the research into splicing zebra genes into produce to automatically grow barcodes into fruit and vegetables?

  48. Pumpkin Decorating...OF THE FUTURE! by AioKits · · Score: 1

    This will make some awesome looking fruit/vegetable decorations if someone can get their hands on the laser. Apples with smiley faces on them, make em festive looking. Potatoes with cooking instructions. Put numbers on em for vegetable racing, I dunno. Just a few ideas... Man we could have some fun with this laser.

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    1. Re:Pumpkin Decorating...OF THE FUTURE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, seems like it will ruin pumpkin decorating as it will prevent you from using whichever side of the pumpkin has the brand engraved on it, or force you to cut-out the portion with the engraving.

    2. Re:Pumpkin Decorating...OF THE FUTURE! by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Potatoes with cooking instructions.

      Like... Drop into boiling water until ready? Nope, we have to use this technology to its full potential. Use the laser to scan the exact geometry of the potato, then determine its weight. Inscription: "Based on the weight, density and geometry of this potato, cooking time will be 18 minutes, 26 seconds at standard atmospheric pressure. To adjust for your local air pressure, see table with correction factors etched on the backside."

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  49. This is really going to raise the price of grapes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention blueberries...

  50. 5$ says that... by KneelBeforeZod · · Score: 1

    using a magnifying glass and a bright day is cheaper. I win. Money please.

    1. Re:5$ says that... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Nope.

      How many people would you need to hire to get the same volume? How much more waste would you have from it not being within acceptable bounds?

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  51. Do you eat grapefruit skins? by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...'cos if you don't then it's not really a problem, is it?

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    1. Re:Do you eat grapefruit skins? by wfstanle · · Score: 1

      Citrus fruits are not the problem. The technique also will be used on soft skinned fruit such as peaches or plums.

  52. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's funny groups like PETA get all up in arms about poor treatment of animals when fruits and vegetables are getting inhumanely branded before their corpses are devoured by an uncaring mob. It only adds insult to injury.

  53. How many times? by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 1

    Zero.

  54. Completely necessary by Twyst3d · · Score: 1

    Because grapefruit is a fruit you bite into?

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  55. Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) laser etch advertisings on fruits
    2) ???
    3) Profit!!!

  56. How long before by NeumannCons · · Score: 1

    Why does it strike me as more of a ploy to make sure you can't remove the label even if you wanted to?

    I'll bet right now marketing is sitting around a conference table:
    "This looks pretty good for a start, but we've done some market research that shows that consumers want the labeling on the inside as well. We need some type of penetrating laser that will label the edible parts inside. We need to be able to etch the outside of the banana skin as well as etch at least a logo on the edible part inside. Also, if we're doing citirus, we need to be able to etch each segment. We need to make sure our logo is seen from the moment you go into the store to the moment you put it in your mouth... Hmmm, I wonder if we can extend that to the moment we flush it down...

  57. Re:Really? Laser etching? by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    That might explain the reference to "Florida's massive grapefruit".

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  58. Unneccessary Obfuscation by uneek · · Score: 0

    Burning the skin of a grapefruit with a laser may be ok, but here are some questions:

    1) With the laser burns, it may be possible to cover up blemishes or signs of mold or rot on the skin of a fruit.

    2) What happens with apples, potatoes, carrots, pears, and other fruits and vegetables where its good to eat the skin? I don't want some artificial chemical imprinted into the skins that I would normally eat.

    I always know a label is there, I know to take it off. For fruits and vegetables with skins that are supposed to removed, the label is not a problem because I peel off the skin.

    So this technology does not really solve anything, and it becomes an inconvenience.

    1. Re:Unneccessary Obfuscation by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      Answers: 1)It is going to be totally worth the store's time/money to individually "custom burn" each piece of fruit to hide individual blemishes. Not. 2)No "artificial chemical" imprinted, just a laser burn. One advantage is if you are making something that requires processing of several pieces of fruit. This removes one step you have to perform on each piece of fruit.

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    2. Re:Unneccessary Obfuscation by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      3) Preview before posting!

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  59. No more peeling the rind to add flavor while cooki by Talahaski · · Score: 1

    I don't think the label ever bothered me, I knew to peel it off. Now if you start burning the outside layer of citrus It will be a pain to peel the rind for use in cooking. Peeling a label off does not ruin the rind, but I would not want lazer burned rind used for flavoring any of my desserts.

  60. Hey, I use that! by Daniel_Abraham · · Score: 1

    I use citrus zest all the time! If this technique changes the flavor, texture, or aroma of my fruit, I say stick with the labels. I can peel off a label and still have the whole zest. That etching means I lost a good chunk of peel I'd use for candied citrus peel, not to mention making any sorbet served inside an orange just plain silly-looking.

  61. Whole Foods? by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

    Apparently sharks have gotten wiser and are now trying to attract a 'healthier crowd' by using fruit as bait. I hope this trend in eating healthier humans pleases our laser mounted ocean-dwelling overlords.

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  62. Supermarkets should be happy... by TheGreatOrangePeel · · Score: 1

    This aught to make supermarkets happy as it's bound to cut down on the number of cashiers entering organic produce (e.g. 94011 - organic bananas, 94664 - organic vine tomatoes) as regular, less expensive, produce (4011 - bananas, 4664 vine tomatoes).

  63. Genetic Modification by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    The proper way of solving this problem is to produce a GM variant that grows the bar code into the skin.

    1. Re:Genetic Modification by Myrcutio · · Score: 1

      because even if it doesn't result in wildly unstable genetic code that breaks down over a short number of generations, there's no way to guarantee there won't be serious health risks involved in eating them. For all we know, the same gene we would splice to give it a barcode would also cause it to start producing nerve toxin or some carcinogen.

  64. Re: cashier cannot distinguish between the types by milosoftware · · Score: 1

    I guess the cashier cannot distinguish between the types because they're... indistinguishable?

    I always wondered, why don't they just sell the "standard" ones and just put a collection box for the unfair traded farmers near the cashier?

    And, uh, if there are "organic" as opposed to "standard" bananas, i wonder what the "standard" ones are made of. Even plastic is organic...

    I know how to spell banananananas, i just don't know when to stop.

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  65. Thta's gonna look appetising... by clickety6 · · Score: 1

    The article shows pictures of fruit where you peel off the skin. OK.

    But it also shows samples of tomatoes and peppers branded by the laser. When I make stuffed peppers or grilled tomatoes I don't what to have see all that burnt on lettering over the food. It will spoil the look of the meal.

    At least a sticker I can peel off. Not that fruit should need labels anyway. I know what sort of fruit they are and I can tell if they're fresh and they're usually right next to big sign telling me how much they cost where they're from. What more do I need to know that you feel is important enough to have to laser etch into my food?

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  66. Finally.... by DieByWire · · Score: 1

    How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label? ... Researchers...hope that it will be used in Florida's massive grapefruit industry.

    This is huge. I can't tell you how much I hate accidentally eating the label on grapefruit.

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  67. Fricken laser beams by AlpineR · · Score: 1

    Lasers have been used for many years to label regular manufactured objects like bottles and bumpers. I'm sure somebody wanted to laser label fruit sooner, but it took a while to get cheap and effective technology to identify and target every single fruit as thousands per minute pass on a conveyor. Natural objects have a bunch more variability than manufactured ones.

    I've heard of developers making lasers that can shoot female mosquitoes in flight to stop reproduction and reduce the spread of malaria. I've also heard of researchers developing the ability to identify individual cancer cells floating through the bloodstream. If you could identify, target, and shoot cancer cells then you might help stop a cancer from metastasizing while the main tumor is attacked by conventional means. And if you could shrink the system into an implantable device, you might leave it as a sentry in a person with a history of cancer.

    So the economic forces that lead to laser etching for fruits just might lead to applications you find less frivolous.

  68. Great! More branding! by johneee · · Score: 1

    And yet another thing that used to not be permanently branded with one or more company's logo disappears.

    When the last one disappears, will we notice?

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  69. Deep Thoughts by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

    As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness that I found pleasurable... until I realized that it wasn't a nectarine at all, but a human head.

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    1. Re:Deep Thoughts by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness that I found pleasurable... until I realized that it wasn't a nectarine at all, but a human head.

      Human head? ID code marked right on the surface?

      Oh my God, you ate Agent 47!

  70. Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "thanks to new technology that uses a low-energy carbon dioxide laser beam"

    I thought we were trying to REDUCE or carbon footprint!

  71. None by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I'm not an idiot.

    Now ask me how many licks to the center of a tootsie pop.

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  72. Re:Great! More branding! by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Does it matter?

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  73. Envy by LtGordon · · Score: 3, Funny

    I love flan, but I just can't eat it and drive at the same time. Look! I've got flan all over me! Introducing: Pocket Flan!

  74. It's the new advertising channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John goes out to the store and buys an apple. The apple has a data matrix on it that when scanned with John's cell phone camera takes him to a web site that tells him where the fruit came from and shows some nice pictures of a beautiful country side. Now John is really happy with his apple and would like to buy a trip to that nice locale.

  75. This is what Iike to see here by geekoid · · Score: 1

    none of this whining about branding, or advertising whaa whaa whaa.
    I can go to other sites for that crap.

    You sir got it right. It's a LASER writing on fruits and vegetables. How awesome is that?

    And this:
    "Potatoes with cooking instructions. "
    Is brilliant.

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  76. Bitten into a label? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

    Who eats something without looking at it first? Even the blind people that I have seen feel over over the fruit before eating it. How many people eat the skin of an orange, grapefruit, or banana? I don't eat the skin of an apple either but I am in the minority in that I think.

  77. Mmmm Massive Grapefruit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Once the technology is approved in the US, researchers from the University of Florida and the USDA Agricultural Research Service hope that it will be used in Florida's massive grapefruit industry."

    I LOVE massive grapefruit. They have more flavor than the massless variety.

  78. What I can't figure out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is how they're going to train the sharks to do the writing.

  79. Re:Great! More branding! by johneee · · Score: 1

    Probably not...

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  80. esthetics ... by BenBoy · · Score: 1

    Lovely; now my bowl of fruit can sport UPC's. I can see the still-life now. Looks like one of wired's found future objects :-)

  81. No stickers == Inattentive kids won't suffer! by JoshDM · · Score: 1

    Remember Josie Dressendorfer? She was a six-year-old who had a fruit sticker caught in one of her lungs. I blame the parents.

  82. Problem solved! by Captain+Spam · · Score: 1

    How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?

    Man, don't I know it. I can't even begin to count the number of times I was in the produce section of the supermarket when I was suddenly overcome with a primal urge to blindly ram whole fruit into my mouth. Doesn't matter what type; apples, pears, oranges, kiwi, pineapples, whatever's immediately there, I grab it and jam it into my mouth with reckless abandon, not even bothering to look at what it is, let alone whether or not it's one of the many, many fruits that have stickers on them.

    Now, I'll admit that a fair share of the inconvenience I've had from this condition stems from dealing with these backwards yokels around where I live who are either unable or unwilling to understand my perfectly common and normal intermittent fruit-ravenous needs, but in all actuality, there's nothing more annoying than the thought that when I'm forcing an apple down my throat without looking at it, there's a chance that there may be a sticker on it. I can barely stand the thought sitting here right now!

    That's why I'm so glad the good people who work for our nation's fruit growers have recognized this very obvious need which, until this point, has been sorely lacking a solution. The next time I'm racing through the produce department, not even bothering to even give the most cursory of glances at what I eat before I eat it despite the fact that it is fairly well-known that there are stickers on fruit, I will salute our laser-etching fruit guardians.

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  83. As a graphic artist... by elysiana · · Score: 1

    I approve this technique! Just think of how cool kids will feel when they pull a grunge-styled banana out of their lunchbox... or an apple with skateboards all over it! Maybe an orange with Hannah Montana and all that girly sparkly crap. I mean, from past experience with fruit roll-ups, the obvious next step is X-TREME fruit, right? It practically markets itself.

  84. what the heck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    Emm, never???

  85. Zestfully Clean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many recipes call for the zest of a fruit. While I can wash off a sticker, not so for a laser burn. I sure hope the etching process does not taint the zest.

  86. First Corn Flakes now this... by FuzzySapiens · · Score: 1

    A couple of weeks ago we saw that Kelloggs was going to laser etch corn flakes http://preview.tinyurl.com/yl56ddd ... how did we ever live without this?

  87. CARBON DIOXIDE LASER!!!!!! by char70ger · · Score: 1

    What is the carbon foot print of these co2 lasers? How much carbon is used to process the paper sticker compared to the laser etching? :) Not that I care, but this will be raised by the climate change folks.

  88. If the pharma industry is really hurting by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    can't they just take something for the pain?

  89. Whereas... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    The pharma industry? Hurting?
    When the pharma industry hurts, pigs will fly!

    Whereas the pigs currently flew and the pharma are rejoicing.

    (Ok, sorry for the bad pun).

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  90. Cue offensive fruit labels by cheros · · Score: 1

    I give this a week before someone puts other messages into that process. I'd keep an eye on bananas :-).

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  91. Something Useful by ELitwin · · Score: 0

    If they could etch something onto the fruit that indicated its ripeness/flavor (by changing color), that would be exciting. Except for bananas, I am pretty lousy at doing this.

  92. How long do you think it will take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for some bright spark to get creative with this? ;)

  93. Why stop there? by macraig · · Score: 1

    Why not gouge a UPC barcode into them as well? Hey, wait... can we do this with babies when they're born? Can we zap a barcode into their foreheads that will stay put? I call dibs on one that translates to 666.

  94. Re:google golf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, not anymore...thanks to your quote...

  95. Never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    Never, because I'm not stupid.

  96. Re: cashier cannot distinguish between the types by plague3106 · · Score: 1

    "organic" in this context is short for "organical food," which is an FDA defined term for organically grown food which must meet a strict set of rules and must be certified before "Organic" and be used in the marketing. Natural is whatever the manufactorer wants it to mean though.

    Plastic isn't "organic" in this context because its not food at all..

  97. And forks! by abbyful · · Score: 1

    This man had a plastic fork in his lung: http://www.kpic.com/news/national/59730562.html

  98. Lasers and fruit by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

    Are they ill-tempered fruits?

  99. Global warming solved..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Note this uses a carbon dioxide laser i.e. the solution to global warming, the more lasers we build the more we sequestrate the CO2.
    Woohoo, a win-win for all.

  100. organic food starts with a 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cashiers can't tell the organic fruits by appearance alone. Organic fruit have 5 digits codes that start with a 9.

  101. Really? by dangitman · · Score: 1

    hope that it will be used in Florida's massive grapefruit industry.

    I wouldn't have thought there'd be much of a market for massive grapefruit. I mean, I like grapefruit, but the regular size is plenty to eat for breakfast.

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  102. But what about lemon twists? by MattskEE · · Score: 1

    This doesn't seem like a bad idea, because these labels may end up being cheaper and they can't fall off or be switched. So it helps out large processors and grocery stores.

    However, for uses like citrus twists in beverages, citrus wedges or wheels in drinks, and citrus zest for flavoring I don't want anything marring the skin of my fruit. Sure I could work around the labels, but I don't necessarily want to, it means I can use less of the fruit.

  103. wait... what? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?"

    Umm... never? Seriously... are there legions of people biting into fruit and choking on stickers?

  104. Better solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Stop writing shit on fruit.

  105. WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?! by KingTank · · Score: 1

    Children love to peel the sticker off and stick it on their forehead. I hate to think what children will be doing to their foreheads if this laser thing catches on.

  106. Tan line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In China they put a stencil on their apples, let it get sun kissed and remove the stencil. Kind of like a cute heart tan line that you can get in a tanning booth.

  107. What about the printed-on labels? by Qubit · · Score: 1

    Doesn't anyone remember the oranges that had printed-on blue labels? I think that Sunkist used to do that.

    I've looked all over, and found some fruit label sites like this, but haven't been able to find a picture of an orange with the printing.

    I think that the ink could rub off, which is perhaps why the fruit industry abandoned that method. Interestingly, the printing looked nearly exactly like the laser imprinting, albeit in a different color and a little less crisp.

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  108. Advertisements and art coming by Boawk · · Score: 1

    The labels aren't advertisements.

    Ah, but I wouldn't be surprised if the nifty laser labeling leads to large advertisements on the fruits. Or perhaps some entrepreneur will try to increase sales by lasering beautiful art or patterns on their fruit.

    1. Re:Advertisements and art coming by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Lets patent printing URLs on fruit so we can at least collect royalties when it starts.

      (oh crap, publishing the idea before I file means I can't patent it!)

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  109. Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "How many times have you bit into a piece of fruit only to find that you're also chomping on a sticker label?

    uhh, never because i don't eat fruit in the dark? WTF?

  110. Hmm by Niubi · · Score: 1

    Can't say I think that's such a great idea. Considering that more and more people are buying stuff on the internet anyway, it seems reasonable to assume that fruit and veg don't really need to be labeled as such, since you can view the price on the internet. And anyone remember those smart fridges which could access the internet and auto restock your fridge contents? They sounded awesome! Anyways, just look at sites like http://www.dubli.com/ and you'll see what I mean. The internet's a growing place, and there's hundreds of ways to monetize it. This is just one of many areas where it's diversifying and changing our lives, for better or worse.

  111. Marketing confusion looms by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    The idea of burning the label into the skin brings a whole new meaning to 'branding' and 'brand power'

    Endless confusion on Madison Avenue

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  112. Don't Lase Me Bro by vaporland · · Score: 1

    Could this technology be used to apply tattoos to people? Would that represent a threat to the hard working skin artists of the American tattoo industry? Is the grungy, sensitive biker dude who etches L O V E on one set of knuckles and H A T E on the other about to be replaced by a carbon dioxide laser?

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  113. Re:epiphany by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

    Produce Manager: "That's a very rare Maylasian Lime. It tastes just like a juicy med-rare steak, you'll love it." What an advance, chicken is so dull and boring. Not to mention over-used.

  114. Re:apples and cucumbers by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

    Joke's on you MiniM if these laser'd fruit all begin to taste like a juicy med-rare steak.

  115. Re:abundance by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

    "Therefore God is organized abundance." —Newt Gingrich

  116. Re:WarningLabel by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

    John, I think your warning label: "Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony []. Read at your own risk." should include "or juicy med-rare steak" in the [] spot.

  117. Re:slash/dot/dictionary by bobzaguy · · Score: 1

    ...looking up slash/dot's comparative definition of "anal" and "way anal".

  118. Re: cashier cannot distinguish between the types by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    I guess the cashier cannot distinguish between the types because they're... indistinguishable?

    If people will pay more, the stores can charge more. More power to 'em, I say.

    And, uh, if there are "organic" as opposed to "standard" bananas, i wonder what the "standard" ones are made of. Even plastic is organic...

    I think you know what "organic food" means. You're just being purposefully dense.

    I know how to spell banananananas, i just don't know when to stop.

    I chuckled.

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  119. Re:No more peeling the rind to add flavor while co by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    You're cooking it anyhow... and we don't even know whether it would change the flavour substantially yet.

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  120. anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't bite into a grapefruit anyway......

  121. And toothbrushes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This man had a plastic toothbrush in his dick: http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/dspl_thread.php5?thread_id=171138247