I know they have a XCFE port of mint. But if Mint is basically Ubuntu why would I want to switch from Xubuntu to xcfe mint? I'd like th try mint but as long as I'm on xcfe then I see no reason to move.
Removing the engineering titles from software would be fine. I can understand that. I think part of the problem anyway is that software engineering doesn't tie up with more traditional engineering so that probably does mean it's not engineering. But if we keep it, i don't think it needs to be control by some association because it doesn't really make sense and again maybe that's because we should just do away with the title engineering for development.
I'm not getting my panties in that much of a twist but I do think people exaggerate how protected the title is and aren't entirely honest about it. For example with Canada, as far can tell it's only the title of Professional Engineer (P.Eng) that is protected. So saying that software engineers in that country are part of some scared association is flat out wrong. Some may be but that's their choice.
In my mind it's an outdated practice. It's much easier to check out someone's credentials if you care and half the hardware engineers I know anyway who have paid for their professional titles don't think much of it either. They do it because they have to and it doesn't hurt that the company pay their fee.
IT is already full of stupid and pointless ceritifications. We don't need any more and certainly not an old and outdated one that can't be applied to software in the same way as it does for other areas.
if I had to guess there is probably no sophistication. I also think it's likely it doesn't pick up most racists because most of them are likely to be older people who don't use twitter. Also the example tweets in one of the links show it's generally all young people (surprisingly a lot of girls too - I thought they were more likely to keep their racism quiet) so I guess it's kind of cool what you can do with twitter's API but it doesn't mean much.
The data only accounts for racism specifically targetting Obama by the looks of it. So not surprisingly the states that lost the civil war have the most. But it appears to be counting tweets vs accounts. That makes a huge difference because it only takes one mouthy retard to drive your state up the ranks.
People care about their own titles especially if someone is wants to take it away for no good reason but companies don't really care if you want to be called a developer or software engineer. The only time they care is if means you'll get (or want) significantly more money than they're willing to pay. But if it costs them nothing and makes you happy then you can pretty much have any title you want.
If that's true that will only be due to useless group that managed to build in a level of protectionism to milk people in the trade of cutting hair for money. Because basically just about anyone can cut hair and many parents cut their children's hair for them to save money. Certification certainly isn't required.
That's not true. You can't use P.Eng but that is seperate to software engineer and an engineering association has lost a battle in court to stop someone from using the title software engineer. The judge says he's not causing confusion and has basically said software is different and acted differently from the beginning so the engineering association can get bent.
an Alberta court dismissed the lawsuit filed by The Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists, and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) against Raymond Merhej for using the title "System Engineer", claiming that, "The Respondent's situation is such that it cannot be contended that the public is likely to be deceived, confused or jeopardized by his use of the term
If you read further in that link, they're working on compromise. The associations obviously want to protect themselves and keep the membership fees rolling in but they're fighting a losing battle. No one in software cares about titles like they do.
Also, as I believe it's actually the specific title of "Professional Engineer" (P.Eng) that is protected in Canada. Not just any old engineering title.
That's a stupid explanation given that the vast majority of code written by anyone for their job both works and has bugs in it. Given that Google used to (probably still does) have more engineers and intelligent people than perhaps any other company and Chrome is still overly sensitive and tabs just die and never recover and as far as I can see has the worst rendering of malformed HTML then that means your assertation is flawed.
The only thing I'm aware of is the Engineering associations in Canada get more protective over the title but that doesn't mean it's illegal as they haven't won all their court cases and there's, afaik, a couple states in the US that require title but for the most part the western nations at least haven't changed anything about the title software engineer which is used more freely than other egineering titles. But that has more to do with the associations not wanting to give up the membership fees and who can blame them. They get loads of money without having to provide anything of real value.
Your link even states that there is no complete agreement on it. Some claim it is actual engineering and others claim software moves too fast to be real engineering. Canada seems to be only country that gets really uppity about it and it sounds like even they're looking to compromise if you click the regulation link from your link.
The use of the term "engineer" was an issue between professional bodies, the I.T. industry, and the security industry, where companies or associations may issue certifications or titles with the word "engineer" as part of that title (such as security engineer or Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer). Microsoft have since changed the title to "Microsoft Certified IT Professional". Several licensing bodies for professional engineering contend that only licensed professional engineers are legally allowed to use the title "Engineer". The I.T. industry, on the other hand, counters that:
These title holders never presented themselves as "Professional Engineers";
Provincial laws, other than in Quebec and Ontario, regulate only the use of term "Professional Engineer", and not any title with the word "Engineer" in it;
in Quebec and Ontario, the term "Engineer" is protected by both the Engineers Act[27] and by section 32 of the Professional Code[28]); and,
The I.T. industry has used the term "engineer" since the dawn of the computing industry in the 60s.[29]
Court rulings regarding the usage of the term "engineer" have been mixed. For example, after complaints from the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers, a court in Quebec fined Microsoft Canada $1,000 for misusing the "engineer" title by referring to MCSE graduates as "engineers".[30] Conversely, an Alberta court dismissed the lawsuit filed by The Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists, and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) against Raymond Merhej for using the title "System Engineer", claiming that, "The Respondent's situation is such that it cannot be contended that the public is likely to be deceived, confused or jeopardized by his use of the term"[31] APEGGA also lost the appeal to this decision.[32]
The Canadian Information Processing Society[33] and in particular CIPS Ontario[34] have attempted to strike a balance between the professional engineering licensing bodies and the IT industry over the use of the term "engineer" in the software industry, but so far no major agreements or decisions have been announced..
So you and the original poster aren't entirely correct. Otherwise The Association of Professional Engineers wouldn't have lost its court case.
Protectionism over the title engineer is nothing more than an excuse for a group to milk money out of people. The title sofware engineer has been used for ages while not having a professional body demanding fees. This of course upsets other engineers but that's the way it is and it's unlikely to change. There are too many software engineers who aren't going to want to be milked for a membership fee that offers them nothing of real value.
That's more a matter of opinion. They arguably did the job the first time as I don't believe there was anything that said they couldn't mention the other stuff. The judge isn't stupid and knows he risks his own reputation at the very least if he goes off on a power trip.
Because getting shit faced at work is generally frowned upon. That and if my beer intake matched my coffee intake I'd probably be fat and have all sorts of health problems.
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I knind of stupid considering they can take their CPU design to anyone else which I'm sure they've already been in the process of doing.
Lower corporate taxes maybe but higher salesTax and personal taxes. Simply lowering tax on companies doesn't make money magically appear.
People like you should be barred from voting and procreating.
I agree but my install is fairly new. Switching just for the sake of switching would be a waste of time if there is no great difference.
I know they have a XCFE port of mint. But if Mint is basically Ubuntu why would I want to switch from Xubuntu to xcfe mint? I'd like th try mint but as long as I'm on xcfe then I see no reason to move.
You're no fun.
Removing the engineering titles from software would be fine. I can understand that. I think part of the problem anyway is that software engineering doesn't tie up with more traditional engineering so that probably does mean it's not engineering. But if we keep it, i don't think it needs to be control by some association because it doesn't really make sense and again maybe that's because we should just do away with the title engineering for development.
I'm not getting my panties in that much of a twist but I do think people exaggerate how protected the title is and aren't entirely honest about it. For example with Canada, as far can tell it's only the title of Professional Engineer (P.Eng) that is protected. So saying that software engineers in that country are part of some scared association is flat out wrong. Some may be but that's their choice.
In my mind it's an outdated practice. It's much easier to check out someone's credentials if you care and half the hardware engineers I know anyway who have paid for their professional titles don't think much of it either. They do it because they have to and it doesn't hurt that the company pay their fee.
IT is already full of stupid and pointless ceritifications. We don't need any more and certainly not an old and outdated one that can't be applied to software in the same way as it does for other areas.
if I had to guess there is probably no sophistication. I also think it's likely it doesn't pick up most racists because most of them are likely to be older people who don't use twitter. Also the example tweets in one of the links show it's generally all young people (surprisingly a lot of girls too - I thought they were more likely to keep their racism quiet) so I guess it's kind of cool what you can do with twitter's API but it doesn't mean much.
I would guess it gets considered racist. I doubt someone is reviewing them by hand and they probably want to make it look worse than it is.
The data only accounts for racism specifically targetting Obama by the looks of it. So not surprisingly the states that lost the civil war have the most. But it appears to be counting tweets vs accounts. That makes a huge difference because it only takes one mouthy retard to drive your state up the ranks.
No, he means one account sending out 300 racist tweets vs 300 accounts, from different people, sending out one racist tweet.
Which would be fine if the prices were budget prices.
No, if it doesn't handle a common use case then it's not designed to work.
I would agree. It is effectively a union but, as far as can tell, no striking ability or anything else really that may protect your job.
People care about their own titles especially if someone is wants to take it away for no good reason but companies don't really care if you want to be called a developer or software engineer. The only time they care is if means you'll get (or want) significantly more money than they're willing to pay. But if it costs them nothing and makes you happy then you can pretty much have any title you want.
If that's true that will only be due to useless group that managed to build in a level of protectionism to milk people in the trade of cutting hair for money. Because basically just about anyone can cut hair and many parents cut their children's hair for them to save money. Certification certainly isn't required.
That's not true. You can't use P.Eng but that is seperate to software engineer and an engineering association has lost a battle in court to stop someone from using the title software engineer. The judge says he's not causing confusion and has basically said software is different and acted differently from the beginning so the engineering association can get bent.
an Alberta court dismissed the lawsuit filed by The Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists, and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) against Raymond Merhej for using the title "System Engineer", claiming that, "The Respondent's situation is such that it cannot be contended that the public is likely to be deceived, confused or jeopardized by his use of the term
If you read further in that link, they're working on compromise. The associations obviously want to protect themselves and keep the membership fees rolling in but they're fighting a losing battle. No one in software cares about titles like they do.
Also, as I believe it's actually the specific title of "Professional Engineer" (P.Eng) that is protected in Canada. Not just any old engineering title.
That's a stupid explanation given that the vast majority of code written by anyone for their job both works and has bugs in it. Given that Google used to (probably still does) have more engineers and intelligent people than perhaps any other company and Chrome is still overly sensitive and tabs just die and never recover and as far as I can see has the worst rendering of malformed HTML then that means your assertation is flawed.
The only thing I'm aware of is the Engineering associations in Canada get more protective over the title but that doesn't mean it's illegal as they haven't won all their court cases and there's, afaik, a couple states in the US that require title but for the most part the western nations at least haven't changed anything about the title software engineer which is used more freely than other egineering titles. But that has more to do with the associations not wanting to give up the membership fees and who can blame them. They get loads of money without having to provide anything of real value.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering#Canada_2
The use of the term "engineer" was an issue between professional bodies, the I.T. industry, and the security industry, where companies or associations may issue certifications or titles with the word "engineer" as part of that title (such as security engineer or Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer). Microsoft have since changed the title to "Microsoft Certified IT Professional". Several licensing bodies for professional engineering contend that only licensed professional engineers are legally allowed to use the title "Engineer". The I.T. industry, on the other hand, counters that:
in Quebec and Ontario, the term "Engineer" is protected by both the Engineers Act[27] and by section 32 of the Professional Code[28]); and,
Court rulings regarding the usage of the term "engineer" have been mixed. For example, after complaints from the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers, a court in Quebec fined Microsoft Canada $1,000 for misusing the "engineer" title by referring to MCSE graduates as "engineers".[30] Conversely, an Alberta court dismissed the lawsuit filed by The Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists, and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) against Raymond Merhej for using the title "System Engineer", claiming that, "The Respondent's situation is such that it cannot be contended that the public is likely to be deceived, confused or jeopardized by his use of the term"[31] APEGGA also lost the appeal to this decision.[32]
The Canadian Information Processing Society[33] and in particular CIPS Ontario[34] have attempted to strike a balance between the professional engineering licensing bodies and the IT industry over the use of the term "engineer" in the software industry, but so far no major agreements or decisions have been announced..
So you and the original poster aren't entirely correct. Otherwise The Association of Professional Engineers wouldn't have lost its court case.
Protectionism over the title engineer is nothing more than an excuse for a group to milk money out of people. The title sofware engineer has been used for ages while not having a professional body demanding fees. This of course upsets other engineers but that's the way it is and it's unlikely to change. There are too many software engineers who aren't going to want to be milked for a membership fee that offers them nothing of real value.
That's more a matter of opinion. They arguably did the job the first time as I don't believe there was anything that said they couldn't mention the other stuff. The judge isn't stupid and knows he risks his own reputation at the very least if he goes off on a power trip.
Because getting shit faced at work is generally frowned upon. That and if my beer intake matched my coffee intake I'd probably be fat and have all sorts of health problems.
You could just make the OS which then you shouldn't have to worry about the FCC.