"Perhaps he should see the kind of cruelty and callousness exhibited by elements of our society. Perhaps then he wouldn't be so quick to complain about high rates of imprisonment in the U.S."
Perhaps he thinks that locking people up isn't always the right solution, for society as a whole, or for the person who committed the crime.
Plenty of other countries appear to manage well without incarcerating such a huge percentage of their population!
"And even funnier, people accuse RMS of being a Communist all the time, and yet here he accuses his opponents of being "Soviets" - twice!"
There's a large difference between being a communist and a 'Soviet', just as it would be wrong to assume that being American, meant being a conservative ultra-capitalist gun toter.
"And he still won't let the GNU/Linux thing go, although at least he's stopped pushing "LiGNUx" as I once heard him say."
Hardly surprising since just calling it Linux is pretty incorrect - It's a little like Americans calling Great Britain 'England' - just 'cos lots of people do it, doesn't mean it's right.
" His time as the leader of Open Source is over."
He never was leader of the Open Source movement. In the interview he statest on numerous occasions that he sees a lot of problems with OS and holds a lot of differing views.
Hear hear. This strikes me as utterly pointless - I can't see any reason to do this whatsoever. All it does is annoy people. If someone broke into my house I wouldn't burn it down in protest...
I'd have to agree with that. I think the main reasons are -
1. It's fun
2. If you're a Linux company, you want to see it everywhere, so if you can port it, port it while you have market mindshare and see what happens in the future - at least you won't be left behind.
I think the answer is yes, if you're using a workstation for bits and bobs and don't want to go through the hassle of customising Solaris to get Gnome and KDE running - I know that this isn't a mammoth task, but it's easier if you just want to stick the CD in and go.
It's also fun!
Once you're using anything more than an Ultra5 for anything more than basic office stuff and surfing, I don't really see the point either.
According to the info I have with my RedHat 6.1 for Sparc, you can run Solaris binaries with some tweaking - can't be more technical than that as I don't have the manual to hand.
You can also run Linux Intel binaries on Solaris x86 using Sun's Lxrun technology.
I'd have to agree with that - I really see no point whatsoever in developing Netscape Composer. I've used Mozilla on Linux/Sparc for a while and think it works well. Does anyone really need an HTML editor though - it's either got to be as good as, say, Dreamweaver, or it's really not worth attempting, at least that's my opinion. I'm willin to be persuaded otherwise.
I believe that encryption regulations are being relaxed, in the near future, as the US now thinks other people are grown up enough to use it, so this shouldn't be relevant after a while.
Even in the free software arena, competition is good - KDE and Gnome may not be pushed by shareholders to improve the product, but whatever their motivations, competition occurs and we get better products,as per the more 'standard' business models out there.
What were you using your Windows box for? Anecdotally I've found Windows desktops crash more often than Unix desktops.
The most important issue is servers running important apps that run huge operations - your Win 95 box may not have crashed recently, but are you planning to use it to run a business on/print 200,000 paychecks an hour on/serve up a million ecommerce customers a day on, etc etc.
Yes, we all use desktop machines and they have their pros and cons - when it comes to mission critical, it's got to be Unix, as400 etc.
Don't forget AOL now own Netscape, so doubtless the browser will be Mozilla-esque.
AOL are going down the 'open' path, so sticking an AOL branded Netscape browser and bundling it with an AOL account and a reliable Linux box is a great way of getting away from MSFT and promoting Internet access from any device, etc, etc.
User friendliness means hiding everything from the users, so giving them a browser and a word processor and asking them not to touch/preventing them touching anything else means they could use Linux/Solaris etc quite happily on their desktops from now on - in an office environment.
Home users would probably have to wait a bit more or have some decent, cheap phone support.
End users don't need any exposure. End users don't care what their systems are running - they just want to be able to point and click in a way they are used to. You need to have proper IT support in the back, who aren't snooty about users' stupidity, who set things up properly. I'd be quite happy getting my parents to use KDE or Gnome. They're both used to using Windows, so wouldn't have any problems. In many ways I'd prefer them to use it, as it would mean my father wouldn't delete things he shouldn't do and get so cross when the machine crashes, which it does, frequently.
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"Perhaps he should see the kind of cruelty and callousness exhibited by elements of our society. Perhaps then he wouldn't be so quick to complain about high rates of imprisonment in the U.S."
Perhaps he thinks that locking people up isn't always the right solution, for society as a whole, or for the person who committed the crime.
Plenty of other countries appear to manage well without incarcerating such a huge percentage of their population!
"And even funnier, people accuse RMS of being a Communist all the time, and yet here he accuses his opponents of being "Soviets" - twice!"
There's a large difference between being a communist and a 'Soviet', just as it would be wrong to assume that being American, meant being a conservative ultra-capitalist gun toter.
"And he still won't let the
GNU/Linux thing go, although at least he's stopped pushing "LiGNUx" as I once heard him say."
Hardly surprising since just calling it Linux is pretty incorrect - It's a little like Americans calling Great Britain 'England' - just 'cos lots of people do it, doesn't mean it's right.
" His time as the leader of Open Source is over."
He never was leader of the Open Source movement. In the interview he statest on numerous occasions that he sees a lot of problems with OS and holds a lot of differing views.
...execpt it would be completely pointless to do so.
But I bet someone does.
I agree. If he'd had the cash, Solaris would also have been a more scalable option over time.
You can do it on Solaris using Web NFS. If the server has the correct permissions -
/net/myserver.com
cd
So then you've mounted the dir over the web.
Hear hear. This strikes me as utterly pointless - I can't see any reason to do this whatsoever. All it does is annoy people. If someone broke into my house I wouldn't burn it down in protest...
It's great to see that some well informed and literate people read /.
Makes a change from sweeping statements and 'trolls', a term I didn't quite understand until O saw the discussion on Mandrake just now.
I'd have to agree with that. I think the main reasons are -
1. It's fun
2. If you're a Linux company, you want to see it everywhere, so if you can port it, port it while you have market mindshare and see what happens in the future - at least you won't be left behind.
I think the answer is yes, if you're using a workstation for bits and bobs and don't want to go through the hassle of customising Solaris to get Gnome and KDE running - I know that this isn't a mammoth task, but it's easier if you just want to stick the CD in and go.
It's also fun!
Once you're using anything more than an Ultra5 for anything more than basic office stuff and surfing, I don't really see the point either.
According to the info I have with my RedHat 6.1 for Sparc, you can run Solaris binaries with some tweaking - can't be more technical than that as I don't have the manual to hand.
You can also run Linux Intel binaries on Solaris x86 using Sun's Lxrun technology.
I'd have to agree with that - I really see no point whatsoever in developing Netscape Composer. I've used Mozilla on Linux/Sparc for a while and think it works well. Does anyone really need an HTML editor though - it's either got to be as good as, say, Dreamweaver, or it's really not worth attempting, at least that's my opinion. I'm willin to be persuaded otherwise.
I believe that encryption regulations are being relaxed, in the near future, as the US now thinks other people are grown up enough to use it, so this shouldn't be relevant after a while.
Even in the free software arena, competition is good - KDE and Gnome may not be pushed by shareholders to improve the product, but whatever their motivations, competition occurs and we get better products,as per the more 'standard' business models out there.
What were you using your Windows box for? Anecdotally I've found Windows desktops crash more often than Unix desktops.
The most important issue is servers running important apps that run huge operations - your Win 95 box may not have crashed recently, but are you planning to use it to run a business on/print 200,000 paychecks an hour on/serve up a million ecommerce customers a day on, etc etc.
Yes, we all use desktop machines and they have their pros and cons - when it comes to mission critical, it's got to be Unix, as400 etc.
Well, if they bundle it correctly, all the user needs to do is plug the modem in and click on 'Connect to AOL' or whatever.
If it needs reconfiguring, talking someone through using a gui based PPP dialer should be dead easy.
Don't forget AOL now own Netscape, so doubtless the browser will be Mozilla-esque.
AOL are going down the 'open' path, so sticking an AOL branded Netscape browser and bundling it with an AOL account and a reliable Linux box is a great way of getting away from MSFT and promoting Internet access from any device, etc, etc.
User friendliness means hiding everything from the users, so giving them a browser and a word processor and asking them not to touch/preventing them touching anything else means they could use Linux/Solaris etc quite happily on their desktops from now on - in an office environment.
Home users would probably have to wait a bit more or have some decent, cheap phone support.
End users don't need any exposure. End users don't care what their systems are running - they just want to be able to point and click in a way they are used to. You need to have proper IT support in the back, who aren't snooty about users' stupidity, who set things up properly. I'd be quite happy getting my parents to use KDE or Gnome. They're both used to using Windows, so wouldn't have any problems. In many ways I'd prefer them to use it, as it would mean my father wouldn't delete things he shouldn't do and get so cross when the machine crashes, which it does, frequently.