It is? I must have missed it- and I actually havent run 2.6.3 at all- I stopped using Linux period at 2.6.1-
Re: my USB mouse issue- I doubt it.... It happened with every kernel from 2.4.19 to 2.4.23, as well as from 2.6.0b2? to 2.6.1- and had nothing to do with connect/reconnects. The issue is that on CPU-maxxing spikes, the mouse will occasionally just drop- When doing something like compiling, it would happen sometimes every 30 seconds or so...
Not only is it not particularly informative in any sense, it is also basically wrong.
> Loads any modules you need
It doesnt quite work like that- in its default config it basically loads all modules, and doesnt let you unload them- so when you plug something in it has a higher chance of "just working". This isnt anything special, and GEEWHIZBANG! it actually ends up functioning like a good old monolithic kernel.
> Lets you do tasks preemtpively
Hahah as the AC said - "you can complete tasks before you even knew you wanted to do them"
> Boots in a much shorter time (from 2.4.23's 35 sec to ~14 sec in my case
I don't know about you, but most of my systems booting time is in the init scripts- I saw little difference in actual kernel boot time...
Heh- its funny- I would half bet that the X mouse speedup problem was intentional- All over the Gentoo boards people were full of "it just *feels* faster and more responsive". I initially thought the same thing, then realized it was just the mouse moving a tiny bit faster.
It's amazing the tricks your mind can play on you:)...
After doing some various different things, I found that it performed roughly the same as ever.
Erm- I should mention that 2.6 makes some *major* improvements for a server system (connect latency stuff)
I've had many months of experience running the 2.6.x kernels alongside the 2.4.x series on the same machine- and I just dont really see a reason to upgrade.
For me, ALSA doesnt work totally right on my P2040- and 2.4.x gave me the option of using the old OSS drivers. I don't think 2.6.x gives you that option...
Beyond "module autoloading" (which doesnt quite work like it sounds btw), IMO theres not too much it offers. The preemptive kernel stuff has been available for 2.4 for a long time, as has XFS etc, as have the "special" synaptics drivers. That, combined with a lack of drivers for a lot of things currently supported in 2.4 makes me not upgrade.
As an aside, I finally just ditched Linux altogether and have very much been enjoying FreeBSD 5.x on that same laptop. Finally I have a USB mouse that doesnt occasionally die and require a module reload:)
> Nasa thought of that, and that's probably why the two rovers are on opposite sides of the planet - hence, only one is visible to earth and/or the relay satellite at a time, so they can't interfere.
Hmmm- or perhaps they could use *2 different frequencies!*:P
> Oh come on, like somebody would install a debian unstable distro from a live cd to get their webserving done. Knoppix hasn't got anything to do with the increase
Eh?
Knoppix is a perfectly perfect way to *install* Debian (or Gentoo or whatever)- We're not talking about running off a live-CD as your webserver here, we're just talking about what you originally booted off of to install your OS of choice- and while I don't know how much Knoppix has contributed to this Debian growth, it *does* make the install easier.
What would a "professional" install from then? A floppy? FTP? Who gives a shit:)
Have you ever actually used anything with a Transmeta in it? I think that until a native VLIW version of Linux get's ported, it will forever just be a big loser. I own a Fujitsu P2040 with a Crusoe at 867mhz-
It is a lovely laptop with the exception of it being a *total* dog. To give you an idea, Win2k/XP runs "alright" on it. IE is "barely fast enough" for use. Netscape/Mozilla/Firebird under Win32 or Linux is too slow to be usable. Under Linux, KDE and GNOME are just too much- app launch time is in some cases just ridiculous.
The only way I've got it to a usable state is with Fluxbox, Opera7, and Textmaker- (Openoffice is as you can imagine a dog)
Contrast this to their new P-series- the P5000- This uses a Pentium-M at 1ghz, and just fucking flies. My only experience with it is so far WinXP-only, but it *really* hauls ass. IE and stuff are *instantaneous*. Even WMP9 fired up with only the *slightest* delay.
And that's what makes me sad- with a VLIW-native Linux port I'm sure the Crusoe would perform rather well, but as long as their philosophy continues (as it has in the Sony devices you mention) I think they'll always be several steps behind...
WinXP was not a "rewrite" at all- in fact most people call it Win2k with some fancy pretty GUI stuff.
And IPV4 VS IPV6? Huh? a) that's not software b) he refers to "poor applications knowing 32bit addresses, but being forced to deal with 128bit addresses" - that's ridiculous- the OS deals with that in most cases. c) regardless, that is *not* the reason IPV6 has gone nowhere- it's because simply of no backwards compatibility. the idiots who planned it astoundingly imagined everyone in the world simultaneously turning off their IPV4 devices, and turning them back on as IPV6.
Apparently I used to do shit that I don't even remember- things like refusing to sit in my chair- and wanting to stand up:P
No meds for me thankfully- I'm sure I made the learning environment a little worse (if more interesting) for those other kids- but I liked school, I of course learned the stuff I was interested in, but got horrible *horrible* grades, and was suspended upwards of 20 times, but I loved every minute of it.
Do I feel disadvantaged today? I don't think so- I was born and raised in Silicon Valley, have been breathing the Internet since 1994, and bought a house downtown at age 23. I've got a lot of unfinished projects, but the beats and caffeine keep me sane:)
> I have ADD and went from being last in my class in High School and failing out of college to graduating with Honors and going on to graduate school at the finest university in the country, after being prescribed Ritalin.
So let me ask- were you in fact *learning* the material, even though you weren't getting good grades?
I'm most fond of the hunter VS gatherer school of thought regarding ADHD. It most certainly *is real*- but I don't call it a disorder. It's just how I am- and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Yeah it kinda sux having a giant-ass list of unfinished projects, but such is life. OTOH it's really nice being creative enough to never be "bored". Whatever powers made me, made me this way- on the fringe. And it's only those on the fringe that can push it farther. Have you been placed there? Don't medicate yourself. Don't bring yourself back to the masses. Push it- you were put there for a reason.
I dont know here- I understand other posters' points about the need to get off this plaet for species-preservation reasons- but is this really the best way to be doing it?
I think it is *seriously* premature to be even thinking about *anything* beyond the moon.
Our knowledge of physics currently leaves us with propulsion and transportation devices that very simply, will not work. Yes, I'm quite certain that with enough money spent, we could successfully transport people and equipment to Mars in a couple decades. The bigger question is how many people, and how much equipment? Think about it for a sec, and you realize it is *ludicrous* to even think about things like "colonization" with current technology. (and it's subsequent advances)
I think that prior to any pie-in-the-sky thoughts like this, much more work needs to be done on elemental physics. We are totally mystified by all sorts of forces and effects we encounter every day- and mastery of these forces and effects is (I MO) absolutely crucial to any sort of Space exploration- and I feel that any attempt like this is just going to prove fruitless and will represent a big wasted effort.
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Heheh you're right- I used xconfig almost that whole time, and i guess with the new layout i somehow missed it :p
It is?
I must have missed it- and I actually havent run 2.6.3 at all- I stopped using Linux period at 2.6.1-
Re: my USB mouse issue- I doubt it.... It happened with every kernel from 2.4.19 to 2.4.23, as well as from 2.6.0b2? to 2.6.1- and had nothing to do with connect/reconnects.
The issue is that on CPU-maxxing spikes, the mouse will occasionally just drop-
When doing something like compiling, it would happen sometimes every 30 seconds or so...
Not only is it not particularly informative in any sense, it is also basically wrong.
> Loads any modules you need
It doesnt quite work like that- in its default config it basically loads all modules, and doesnt let you unload them- so when you plug something in it has a higher chance of "just working".
This isnt anything special, and GEEWHIZBANG! it actually ends up functioning like a good old monolithic kernel.
> Lets you do tasks preemtpively
Hahah as the AC said - "you can complete tasks before you even knew you wanted to do them"
> Boots in a much shorter time (from 2.4.23's 35 sec to ~14 sec in my case
I don't know about you, but most of my systems booting time is in the init scripts- I saw little difference in actual kernel boot time...
Heh- its funny- I would half bet that the X mouse speedup problem was intentional-
:) ...
All over the Gentoo boards people were full of "it just *feels* faster and more responsive".
I initially thought the same thing, then realized it was just the mouse moving a tiny bit faster.
It's amazing the tricks your mind can play on you
After doing some various different things, I found that it performed roughly the same as ever.
Erm- I should mention that 2.6 makes some *major* improvements for a server system (connect latency stuff)
I've had many months of experience running the 2.6.x kernels alongside the 2.4.x series on the same machine- and I just dont really see a reason to upgrade.
:)
For me, ALSA doesnt work totally right on my P2040- and 2.4.x gave me the option of using the old OSS drivers. I don't think 2.6.x gives you that option...
Beyond "module autoloading" (which doesnt quite work like it sounds btw), IMO theres not too much it offers.
The preemptive kernel stuff has been available for 2.4 for a long time, as has XFS etc, as have the "special" synaptics drivers.
That, combined with a lack of drivers for a lot of things currently supported in 2.4 makes me not upgrade.
As an aside, I finally just ditched Linux altogether and have very much been enjoying FreeBSD 5.x on that same laptop.
Finally I have a USB mouse that doesnt occasionally die and require a module reload
> Lets you do tasks preemtpively
I'm sorry ahahhah- do you even know what that means?
Not if you use the hidden BACKDOOR!
> Nasa thought of that, and that's probably why the two rovers are on opposite sides of the planet - hence, only one is visible to earth and/or the relay satellite at a time, so they can't interfere.
:P
Hmmm- or perhaps they could use *2 different frequencies!*
Porn.
Responder lacks reading comprehension :P
> Oh come on, like somebody would install a debian unstable distro from a live cd to get their webserving done. Knoppix hasn't got anything to do with the increase
:)
Eh?
Knoppix is a perfectly perfect way to *install* Debian (or Gentoo or whatever)-
We're not talking about running off a live-CD as your webserver here, we're just talking about what you originally booted off of to install your OS of choice- and while I don't know how much Knoppix has contributed to this Debian growth, it *does* make the install easier.
What would a "professional" install from then?
A floppy?
FTP?
Who gives a shit
Didn't I just get an email about that?
/. :P
Something like "apply this gel and she goes wild"?
Oh right, this is
Nobody will get that joke
Well if you want a card+antenna sticking out of your laptop, then who cares?
Hahahah internal wireless is a plus just from the "wont break it off" standpoint.
That's not insightful in the slightest...
You're right, demand does drive market- but every linux-on-laptop user on earth isn't enough "demand" to make Intel even flinch...
Middle america doesn't give 2 shits...
Totally off-topic, but I really worry about them.
Have you ever actually used anything with a Transmeta in it?
I think that until a native VLIW version of Linux get's ported, it will forever just be a big loser.
I own a Fujitsu P2040 with a Crusoe at 867mhz-
It is a lovely laptop with the exception of it being a *total* dog.
To give you an idea, Win2k/XP runs "alright" on it.
IE is "barely fast enough" for use.
Netscape/Mozilla/Firebird under Win32 or Linux is too slow to be usable.
Under Linux, KDE and GNOME are just too much- app launch time is in some cases just ridiculous.
The only way I've got it to a usable state is with Fluxbox, Opera7, and Textmaker- (Openoffice is as you can imagine a dog)
Contrast this to their new P-series- the P5000-
This uses a Pentium-M at 1ghz, and just fucking flies.
My only experience with it is so far WinXP-only, but it *really* hauls ass.
IE and stuff are *instantaneous*.
Even WMP9 fired up with only the *slightest* delay.
And that's what makes me sad- with a VLIW-native Linux port I'm sure the Crusoe would perform rather well, but as long as their philosophy continues (as it has in the Sony devices you mention) I think they'll always be several steps behind...
Does this mean I can smoke weed again without supporting terrorists?!?!?!? :P
WinXP was not a "rewrite" at all- in fact most people call it Win2k with some fancy pretty GUI stuff.
And IPV4 VS IPV6?
Huh?
a) that's not software
b) he refers to "poor applications knowing 32bit addresses, but being forced to deal with 128bit addresses" - that's ridiculous- the OS deals with that in most cases.
c) regardless, that is *not* the reason IPV6 has gone nowhere- it's because simply of no backwards compatibility. the idiots who planned it astoundingly imagined everyone in the world simultaneously turning off their IPV4 devices, and turning them back on as IPV6.
No, I just don't have the attention span for grammar :D
Yeah hahah- if it couldn't be done in the 3 minutes right as class was starting before it was collected, it didn't get done :)
:p
But I actually learned all the material- and did good on tests
Apparently I used to do shit that I don't even remember- things like refusing to sit in my chair- and wanting to stand up :P
:)
No meds for me thankfully- I'm sure I made the learning environment a little worse (if more interesting) for those other kids- but I liked school, I of course learned the stuff I was interested in, but got horrible *horrible* grades, and was suspended upwards of 20 times, but I loved every minute of it.
Do I feel disadvantaged today?
I don't think so- I was born and raised in Silicon Valley, have been breathing the Internet since 1994, and bought a house downtown at age 23.
I've got a lot of unfinished projects, but the beats and caffeine keep me sane
> I have ADD and went from being last in my class in High School and failing out of college to graduating with Honors and going on to graduate school at the finest university in the country, after being prescribed Ritalin.
So let me ask- were you in fact *learning* the material, even though you weren't getting good grades?
I'm most fond of the hunter VS gatherer school of thought regarding ADHD.
It most certainly *is real*- but I don't call it a disorder.
It's just how I am- and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Yeah it kinda sux having a giant-ass list of unfinished projects, but such is life.
OTOH it's really nice being creative enough to never be "bored".
Whatever powers made me, made me this way- on the fringe.
And it's only those on the fringe that can push it farther.
Have you been placed there?
Don't medicate yourself.
Don't bring yourself back to the masses.
Push it- you were put there for a reason.
I dont know here- I understand other posters' points about the need to get off this plaet for species-preservation reasons- but is this really the best way to be doing it?
I think it is *seriously* premature to be even thinking about *anything* beyond the moon.
Our knowledge of physics currently leaves us with propulsion and transportation devices that very simply, will not work.
Yes, I'm quite certain that with enough money spent, we could successfully transport people and equipment to Mars in a couple decades.
The bigger question is how many people, and how much equipment?
Think about it for a sec, and you realize it is *ludicrous* to even think about things like "colonization" with current technology. (and it's subsequent advances)
I think that prior to any pie-in-the-sky thoughts like this, much more work needs to be done on elemental physics. We are totally mystified by all sorts of forces and effects we encounter every day- and mastery of these forces and effects is (I MO) absolutely crucial to any sort of Space exploration- and I feel that any attempt like this is just going to prove fruitless and will represent a big wasted effort.
Control gravity- then explore space.
What can I say, you're wrong- you know what a linux kernel does without the surrounding tools/compiler?
absolfuckinglutely nothing
To say Linux was developed by a single person is a) plain wrong b) a disservice to *many* people/groups