It was voted on democratically by those occupying wallstreet. You would know that if you made any effort to read or research the subject. Not knowing is a fault of your own and the wealth/corp-oriented media that perpetuates the meme that this statement wasn't made, or that the reasons cannot be consolidated under a few major themes. For me and those I've seen that understand it, the relevance is blatant. I'm actually a bit surprised so many people don't understand the commonality.
Now quit being a coward and register, or quit hiding. No more replies to the cowardly troll. I'm public. Grow some balls and show em.
... that you have made examples of (or their representatives), shown any evidence of sympathy or understanding to your cause?
In your film "The Yes Men Save the World" it would appear that the targets of your pranks were completely offended and dismissive; they were portrayed to respond 100% in line with the wrongoer persona by which the Yes Men has identified them (I'm sure many would agree with your analysis).
If any had shown a form of understanding or compassion for your rhetorical purpose, who, and how?
The reasons people give fall directly under the same causes. you've got to literally try not to see the connection, and its clear you're trying hard not to see what is blatantly related.
That official statement was delivered and shared. Just because you want to deny it being made, and now its on a webpage, doesn't make it untrue.
In other words, you said "please spoonfeed, I don't know how to find information."
This is the first official statement of occupy wallstreet. Since it is the FIRST, and OFFICIAL, I would expect someone of your cantor to have read it by now:
--------------- Now that you know, you can quit saying you don't or that the facts haven't been shown to you.
And if the points made in that statement aren't immediately clear and simple for you to understand, I'll sum it up in three short points (that every OWS protester would agree with me on).
1) Corporations have advantages over people and private business that have led to massive exploit: remove the advantages. 2) Banks and wall street are deregulated to the point that exploit is evident across the country: regulate to the degree that most Americans can do well. 3) Possibly as a byproduct of 1&2, the politicians, and the legal structure they produce, in the US have been biased to drive benefit to those in the elite financial class: structure our country so that it economically makes sense for most Americans to find benefit.
It's not like you haven't heard a thousand times that politicians are bought and sold. Or that corporations are running this country. Or that corporations have advantages that have led to the blatant lack of free-market, and the abusive oligopolies/monopolies we face. You read Slashdot. You've heard these points and seen the facts for a long time, I hope. -----------
Or you can keep pretending that millions of protestors world wide have no idea why they 'agree' with the people that are with them... and that 36% of Americans that support the goals of OWS have no idea what those goals are (because you claim they have none).
I stopped reading after you started regurgitating the B.S. propaganda campaign sound bytes that attempt to portray a lack of uniting theme.
The truth is, there are thousands of reasons people have been inspired to unite, and those thousands of reasons, they agree, all fall under the main targets of the OWS movement. You can say that one person protesting on behalf of the cost of education is not in agreement with another person protesting corporate influence over politics... And yet they are united to protest. And yet, just like the asshats on TV pretend, you too, cannot see the UNIFYING THEME. The umbrella under which all of the OWS protesters can place their points..... These points were made very clear even in the earliest days of the movement.
The ONLY reason you don't know what the unifying theme is, the reasons millions of protesters agree upon, including 36% of the US population who support the main themes, is that you haven't really tried to find out.
What you're doing/saying right now is that 36% of the US population is in support of a cause that has no purpose. That's a ridiculous claim. And while the facts have been there since the earliest days of the movement, and anyone with a peanut-sized brain can deduce the commonalities of the individual reasons, you still don't get it.
Quit spewing misinformation that you 'learned' from whatever propaganda sources you feed from.
I dare you to look it up. Beg me to spoonfeed and I will, but I dare you to take the 2 minutes to look it up.
Is the indication of irony only a tool to disprove the point? When I deliberately responded that way, I felt the irony was instructive and exemplary.
Don't let one way of understanding be the only way.
Cheers. (Did I just suggest we are having drinks, or am I posing a kind formality?) Get me?
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The overall spending on weapons development HAS gotten out of hand, all proxies by which the taxes are blown included.
When one missile costs the same as a budget for an elementary school for a year, we've got a few problems: 1) The 'competition' for contracts is not real, and thus we are paying too much for too little from these few contractors we always use. 2) The sum of projects for future weapons is far too expensive, with too many weapons being produced despite 1000:1 KDRs (I served, and everyone who has served knows how dominant our military is, and has been, even compared to 1st world armies). 3) Too many weapons are being used -- by that I mean the 'benefit' we wish to garner in our EXPENSE toward many of our current conflicts that our tax pool could be much better appropriated to help the people in general (those who filled the tax pool).
Military spending is Socialism. Taxes fund socialism, and that's exactly what taxes do. And I think you'd be hard pressed to find any significant number of 'socialist' minded people (those labeled as such for their expressed interest in funding other types of programs, like infrastructure, communications, health, and science research) in the USA that would think we need to raise taxes; rather MOST people arguing in the sense that is labeled 'socialist' are arguing that the tax pool be directed somewhat more effectively to the benefit of the people. Thus, when military industrial complex spending (not DoD or pentagon budget) is at 1.4 TRILLION per year, and this F35 program alone costs $300 BILLION http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/04/21/hackers-infiltrate-pentagons-300-billion-fighter-jet-project/ , people are wondering why the $8BN budget for the NSF is facing cuts, despite national funding of science being a major player in human benefit.
If the amount of waste in any specific facet of social spending (taxes) were to determine how often you talked about that waste, nearly everyone, nearly every time, would be talking about military industry spending. I'm looking at articles that people are attracted to about $15 muffins that the DOJ bought and costed something like $12 million.... $12 million SEEMS like a lot of money to you or I, and so we are attracted... But thats a fart in the wind compared to the massive turd of BILLIONS or TRILLIONS being spent. 12 billion is a THOUSAND TIMES MORE WASTEFUL than 12 million. Paying attention at all to the muffins is a massive distraction (albeit justified) from what really matters. Like I said, if the proportion of the amount wasted, per topic, determined the conversation about waste, we would largely only talk about military spending budget cuts.
... Google needs to finish refining the product and then re-produce (since they did it before) the media campaign they carried out to drive excitement and interest in Google+. So many people came, got in, found few friends in the system, and left their G+ accounts stagnant --- or came, and didn't even get in --- that they really need a massive campaign to drive interest again. And since most people that use social networking already know about G+, they should approach it as such; they should be saying "come pop in again, and get your friends in for real this time" or something of the sort.
Like most of the people I know with G+ accounts, I appreciate it and its merits beyond facebook, but the long transition from the level of contact I have via FB to any level close to that in G+ looks like it is so far out that I hardly ever check G+ at all. Not only that, I see absolutely no trend of migration. I came to G+, got a few friends, invited some that came, and since then there has been NOTHING.
Come on Google! For your sake, and also for those of us who recognize your product quality, make yourself visible! (Its not like you don't have massive advertising, for free, within your reach, lol).
In case you were wondering why you haven't seen me in a while in your end stages, you shouldn't worry. Instead of stopping by, or calling... I just checked a quick app on my iphone and it said you were still alive.
Ahem... There is a point where technology passively degrades your true human values. We've had it for decades, and it will only become more of a burden to be aware of. In all cases, don't forget what really matters --- ease and efficiency may be the ends by which important things, like face to face interaction with loved ones, are lost. Always remember what matters most.
What you said was absolutely one-sided, and pays no regard to the assumed acceptability of Israeli involvement in the same circles, despite being equal offenders. Will you admit that there ought be equal skepticism to including Israel? From the way you backpedaled, I would expect you to agree.
Small army terror attacks from Palestine have still done little in comparison to big army oppression attacks from Israel.
You didn't mention that every time borders and peace is agreed upon, that Israel moves in with bulldozers and tanks in under a year, disrupting and encroaching upon the palestinian underdog.
Or we can keep pretending what you said happened for no reason at all...
We didn't have accountability problems like this until electronic voting. I could spoonfeed you more, but I think its clear you need to do some research on your own.
Lol. I'm calling out fanboys like you. I've yet to act like one, while you've done plenty on the topic. I love watching you guys scramble to pull arguments out of thin air like a PR firm.....
Nope. I take great joy in watching the fanboy scramble and the multitude of pseudo-reasoning that arises. I often take the opportunity to call it out, let the declaration of what will happen be heard, etc... It is pure entertainment, and nothing short of reason can prevent said people from entertaining me.
The profit margin only speaks greater to the efficacy of apple marketing (which is proportional to the dupability of fanboy consumers).
Just moments ago you were saying 'apple doesn't care about sales', and now you're pointing at per-unit profitability as a measure of success... I thought they didn't care? You are fanboy, defined.
Read and quit acting like there is no difference. We're at the point in this discussion where the facts have been shown and you still point to anecdote and personal belief as 'evidence'. You clearly have no real experience in groceries to keep regurgitating this same argument that there is no price difference. Everyone I know with families (including myself) understands the full scope and cost of foods and the drastic gradient of price vs goodness.
Read some facts; or better yet, go to the grocery store and bring an excel spreadsheet. I've done it several times, comparing stores, comparing food quality, comparing organics. I feed four mouths, and like every other finance balancing responsible family member, I take deliberate interest in knowing where money can be saved and where healthy choices are costly.
Slashdot Mirror
Most acts of corporate, scientific, and national intelligence espionage against US entities has been associated with China.
Be careful what you say. Fanboys with buyers remorese will defend the crap out of that console they hardly touched.
fanboys suck. good luck with your visibility.
It was voted on democratically by those occupying wallstreet. You would know that if you made any effort to read or research the subject. Not knowing is a fault of your own and the wealth/corp-oriented media that perpetuates the meme that this statement wasn't made, or that the reasons cannot be consolidated under a few major themes. For me and those I've seen that understand it, the relevance is blatant. I'm actually a bit surprised so many people don't understand the commonality.
Now quit being a coward and register, or quit hiding. No more replies to the cowardly troll. I'm public. Grow some balls and show em.
... that you have made examples of (or their representatives), shown any evidence of sympathy or understanding to your cause?
In your film "The Yes Men Save the World" it would appear that the targets of your pranks were completely offended and dismissive; they were portrayed to respond 100% in line with the wrongoer persona by which the Yes Men has identified them (I'm sure many would agree with your analysis).
If any had shown a form of understanding or compassion for your rhetorical purpose, who, and how?
The reasons people give fall directly under the same causes. you've got to literally try not to see the connection, and its clear you're trying hard not to see what is blatantly related.
That official statement was delivered and shared. Just because you want to deny it being made, and now its on a webpage, doesn't make it untrue.
No connection to outside network.
Please read my response to the OP. It has the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of OWS in it.
You argue like Bill O'Reilly. You just put 100 million people in a group and said they haven't examined what they stand for.
A little humility, where you quit acting like you're smarter than 100 million people, might serve you some good.
In other words, you said "please spoonfeed, I don't know how to find information."
This is the first official statement of occupy wallstreet. Since it is the FIRST, and OFFICIAL, I would expect someone of your cantor to have read it by now:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/01/1021956/-First-official-statement-from-Occupy-Wall-Street
Here is Keith Olbermann reading the statement for you, if you can't read or need it presented by some media mouth to understand:
http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/special-comment-keith-reads-first-collective-statement-of-occupy-wall-street
---------------
Now that you know, you can quit saying you don't or that the facts haven't been shown to you.
And if the points made in that statement aren't immediately clear and simple for you to understand, I'll sum it up in three short points (that every OWS protester would agree with me on).
1) Corporations have advantages over people and private business that have led to massive exploit: remove the advantages.
2) Banks and wall street are deregulated to the point that exploit is evident across the country: regulate to the degree that most Americans can do well.
3) Possibly as a byproduct of 1&2, the politicians, and the legal structure they produce, in the US have been biased to drive benefit to those in the elite financial class: structure our country so that it economically makes sense for most Americans to find benefit.
It's not like you haven't heard a thousand times that politicians are bought and sold. Or that corporations are running this country. Or that corporations have advantages that have led to the blatant lack of free-market, and the abusive oligopolies/monopolies we face. You read Slashdot. You've heard these points and seen the facts for a long time, I hope.
-----------
Or you can keep pretending that millions of protestors world wide have no idea why they 'agree' with the people that are with them... and that 36% of Americans that support the goals of OWS have no idea what those goals are (because you claim they have none).
Now you know.
There is no 'mark as spam' on slashdot.
Put it in your sig if you want to repeat it so much...
I stopped reading after you started regurgitating the B.S. propaganda campaign sound bytes that attempt to portray a lack of uniting theme.
The truth is, there are thousands of reasons people have been inspired to unite, and those thousands of reasons, they agree, all fall under the main targets of the OWS movement. You can say that one person protesting on behalf of the cost of education is not in agreement with another person protesting corporate influence over politics... And yet they are united to protest. And yet, just like the asshats on TV pretend, you too, cannot see the UNIFYING THEME. The umbrella under which all of the OWS protesters can place their points..... These points were made very clear even in the earliest days of the movement.
The ONLY reason you don't know what the unifying theme is, the reasons millions of protesters agree upon, including 36% of the US population who support the main themes, is that you haven't really tried to find out.
What you're doing/saying right now is that 36% of the US population is in support of a cause that has no purpose. That's a ridiculous claim. And while the facts have been there since the earliest days of the movement, and anyone with a peanut-sized brain can deduce the commonalities of the individual reasons, you still don't get it.
Quit spewing misinformation that you 'learned' from whatever propaganda sources you feed from.
I dare you to look it up. Beg me to spoonfeed and I will, but I dare you to take the 2 minutes to look it up.
Is the indication of irony only a tool to disprove the point? When I deliberately responded that way, I felt the irony was instructive and exemplary.
Don't let one way of understanding be the only way.
Cheers. (Did I just suggest we are having drinks, or am I posing a kind formality?) Get me?
The overall spending on weapons development HAS gotten out of hand, all proxies by which the taxes are blown included.
When one missile costs the same as a budget for an elementary school for a year, we've got a few problems:
1) The 'competition' for contracts is not real, and thus we are paying too much for too little from these few contractors we always use.
2) The sum of projects for future weapons is far too expensive, with too many weapons being produced despite 1000:1 KDRs (I served, and everyone who has served knows how dominant our military is, and has been, even compared to 1st world armies).
3) Too many weapons are being used -- by that I mean the 'benefit' we wish to garner in our EXPENSE toward many of our current conflicts that our tax pool could be much better appropriated to help the people in general (those who filled the tax pool).
Military spending is Socialism. Taxes fund socialism, and that's exactly what taxes do. And I think you'd be hard pressed to find any significant number of 'socialist' minded people (those labeled as such for their expressed interest in funding other types of programs, like infrastructure, communications, health, and science research) in the USA that would think we need to raise taxes; rather MOST people arguing in the sense that is labeled 'socialist' are arguing that the tax pool be directed somewhat more effectively to the benefit of the people. Thus, when military industrial complex spending (not DoD or pentagon budget) is at 1.4 TRILLION per year, and this F35 program alone costs $300 BILLION http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/04/21/hackers-infiltrate-pentagons-300-billion-fighter-jet-project/ , people are wondering why the $8BN budget for the NSF is facing cuts, despite national funding of science being a major player in human benefit.
If the amount of waste in any specific facet of social spending (taxes) were to determine how often you talked about that waste, nearly everyone, nearly every time, would be talking about military industry spending. I'm looking at articles that people are attracted to about $15 muffins that the DOJ bought and costed something like $12 million.... $12 million SEEMS like a lot of money to you or I, and so we are attracted... But thats a fart in the wind compared to the massive turd of BILLIONS or TRILLIONS being spent. 12 billion is a THOUSAND TIMES MORE WASTEFUL than 12 million. Paying attention at all to the muffins is a massive distraction (albeit justified) from what really matters. Like I said, if the proportion of the amount wasted, per topic, determined the conversation about waste, we would largely only talk about military spending budget cuts.
... Google needs to finish refining the product and then re-produce (since they did it before) the media campaign they carried out to drive excitement and interest in Google+. So many people came, got in, found few friends in the system, and left their G+ accounts stagnant --- or came, and didn't even get in --- that they really need a massive campaign to drive interest again. And since most people that use social networking already know about G+, they should approach it as such; they should be saying "come pop in again, and get your friends in for real this time" or something of the sort.
Like most of the people I know with G+ accounts, I appreciate it and its merits beyond facebook, but the long transition from the level of contact I have via FB to any level close to that in G+ looks like it is so far out that I hardly ever check G+ at all. Not only that, I see absolutely no trend of migration. I came to G+, got a few friends, invited some that came, and since then there has been NOTHING.
Come on Google! For your sake, and also for those of us who recognize your product quality, make yourself visible! (Its not like you don't have massive advertising, for free, within your reach, lol).
In case you were wondering why you haven't seen me in a while in your end stages, you shouldn't worry. Instead of stopping by, or calling... I just checked a quick app on my iphone and it said you were still alive.
Ahem...
There is a point where technology passively degrades your true human values. We've had it for decades, and it will only become more of a burden to be aware of. In all cases, don't forget what really matters --- ease and efficiency may be the ends by which important things, like face to face interaction with loved ones, are lost. Always remember what matters most.
What you said was absolutely one-sided, and pays no regard to the assumed acceptability of Israeli involvement in the same circles, despite being equal offenders. Will you admit that there ought be equal skepticism to including Israel? From the way you backpedaled, I would expect you to agree.
Small army terror attacks from Palestine have still done little in comparison to big army oppression attacks from Israel.
You didn't mention that every time borders and peace is agreed upon, that Israel moves in with bulldozers and tanks in under a year, disrupting and encroaching upon the palestinian underdog.
Or we can keep pretending what you said happened for no reason at all...
Lol. Apparently you don't know about the voting fraud of years past.
Read:
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239
We didn't have accountability problems like this until electronic voting. I could spoonfeed you more, but I think its clear you need to do some research on your own.
Lol. I'm calling out fanboys like you. I've yet to act like one, while you've done plenty on the topic. I love watching you guys scramble to pull arguments out of thin air like a PR firm.....
... there is absolutely no reason to not count manually, in the presence of observers, and then pool manual counts, in the presence of observers.
Nope. I take great joy in watching the fanboy scramble and the multitude of pseudo-reasoning that arises. I often take the opportunity to call it out, let the declaration of what will happen be heard, etc... It is pure entertainment, and nothing short of reason can prevent said people from entertaining me.
... is still my favorite science from gaming term.
The profit margin only speaks greater to the efficacy of apple marketing (which is proportional to the dupability of fanboy consumers).
Just moments ago you were saying 'apple doesn't care about sales', and now you're pointing at per-unit profitability as a measure of success... I thought they didn't care? You are fanboy, defined.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fanatic
You're still pretending that the difference isn't blatant.
Here:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/a-high-price-for-healthy-food/
Read and quit acting like there is no difference. We're at the point in this discussion where the facts have been shown and you still point to anecdote and personal belief as 'evidence'. You clearly have no real experience in groceries to keep regurgitating this same argument that there is no price difference. Everyone I know with families (including myself) understands the full scope and cost of foods and the drastic gradient of price vs goodness.
Read some facts; or better yet, go to the grocery store and bring an excel spreadsheet. I've done it several times, comparing stores, comparing food quality, comparing organics. I feed four mouths, and like every other finance balancing responsible family member, I take deliberate interest in knowing where money can be saved and where healthy choices are costly.
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