That may be one reason to call it fiction, but the real reason is the absence of facts. No facts = fiction. People of faith don't like the stigma of these works being called fiction, but faith = belief in that which is absent of fact... the point being that if the bible was factual, the people who believed it would be caled scientists. They canot have faith and facts at the same time; the purposes of those words are mutually exclusive. Thus you can conclude this, faithful people believe ficton and by definition, rightly so; and stupid people think they should have faith but call it fact because they don't have an inteligent grasp of ther language.
No. The frequency by which China can be indicated in espionage is a tell of the size of their collection eforts.... MASSIVE.
You hear about espionage on their part every couple weeks. Nearly every espionage related incident originates from the same source. It is reckless to assume its because they have poor tradecraft and get caught. A better and more real assumption is that the freq of esp. Being caught is a tell of the overall size.
Not that anyone is going to hold them accountable....
Apple's production line does massive environmental damage....
Nearly every employer most people reading this have worked for always has these little 'keep this on the downlow SOPs' for ways they get around regulations/rules.....
Yeah... like ethics ever mattered in the pursuit of cash.
On a global scale, the view of success is measured wrong; like the Mayo clinic, the rest of the world can be modeled --- success and recognition going to those who have improved human life, not to those who are good at getting money off people (immoral or otherwise).
U know its the change in microbial flora in the area, and immune response. I can bet tthey get it from coming to even the cleanest us city water, because our bugs (and their antigens) haven't been intrduced to the european dudes' gut yet.
Its more likely the change, not the quality. People survive we'll..
I roflmao'd when the headline in the linked article said "... looks gorgeous..." when in 2011 it looks like a wee made game in 2003. Hilarious. Most people won't see my humor and truth, though, because fanbois will vote me down for being right.
Time to dust off that wii for the one game this year you'll play?
Libertarian ideology is such that a company could produce something that nearly ablates the world of mammals (including humans), and those who live through it are supposed to not buy the product and thus the market kills the company.
Libertarian ideology does not apply in a world where the damage a company an do may take years or decades to accrue (like BPA, hormone interference, long term environmental abuse) and the market response required to make sense would be 'immediate'.
Regulations are necessary because we don't want serious damage to happen BEFORE the market responds. We want to prevent the serious damage with the best scientific understandings of safety we have, and let the market respond to the products that come from our best knowledge of safe practices.
The distance that contracting places between a company and its actions is not so great a distance as compared to the company having done it themselves. Surely we could bounce analogies back and forth about cause, effect, demand, action, outsourcing, exploitative employ, etc etc...
But in the end it really comes down to this: Apple (and many other businesses) are directly responsible for contracting with firms that are known environmental abusers. The use of outsourced contracts may give the appearance of a distance from responsibility, but the actual real fact is that from start to finish, the product was made by dirty methods and they have known it all along. Its not like middle school children and high school dropouts don't already know what conditions these factories produce --- (now sarcasm) but oh, no, there is no way someone at Apple could have guessed it.... Yeah right... *roll eyes*
A company can have subsidiaries, or direct outsourcing, or whatever.... They are still part of it, if not the main cause of it. The same goes for US companies selling toys manufactured in China that have heavy metals in the paints and harm our kids... If you ask them to make your product, but you've got no questions, or tests, or safeguards, and even though everything about the history of similar chinese manufacturing tells you it is dirty (like I said, even young teens know this fact), its YOUR fault that its dirty when you sold it.
Analogy for you analogizers: If I sell food, and it turns out the people growing it are being tortured to produce it nearly for free, yet I have been sourcing the food from a place where slavery and torture is widely understood to happen, there is hardly a distance you can place between me and the fact that my food comes from said place with said problems.
If you know who I referred to, you can't logically claim their actions to be passive (and thus worthless as you imply).
I would rather be peaceful and lead by positive example, directing change in perspective and social memes, than to act by force and garner the faux-respect from people that despotism actually garners.
Cant we all do the same thing... And not call it a crime? Their corporate persons did exactly what everyone else does. They made use of someones product; the product, a creative form, is copyable, and as we see here, so beit, to all persons. My band has no serious expectation of profit : we want people to listen and enjoy us.
My question was rhetorical, posing sarcasm at old-english in modern legalese, demonstrating a point that laws COULD be clear and common in language, but are not.
There is another option.... people will be forced to avoid sites that have a ToS that is more than a couple sentences long. Nobody has the time, or the lawyers, necessary to fully understand these crappy terms anyway... Everyone assumes that if they do right by any normal civil expectation, that they won't be in trouble.
Again, business wins. Thanks for nothing, Obama. I'm glad you didn't pretend to be pro-life and do nothing about it like a Republican, but you did pretend to be for the people, and have done almost nothing about it.
Laws should work FOR the people whose government represents them.
This whole fiasco reminds me, clearly, that business has priority over citizens in the US. Getting sick of this place more and more as the constitution and the purpose of our government has faded into the corrupt benefit of greed and exploit.
.... be fired and get rich (and maybe an employer that respects me), than to be forced to sell the valuable stocks that I personally contributed success to.
In truth, those with pre-IPO stocks are the foundation of the success for the company; what we are seeing is absolute disrespect to those who are responsible for the success.
There is a big difference between the barriers to collection with or without direct access. Dismissing my point for your reason is the same as missing the point altogether.
There is nothing good to come of letting the current most proliferate information collecting body (by far) emplace major telecommunications infrastructure directly where the majority of their collection efforts are focused.
I didn't say that. I said Military members. Servicemen are free to get cellphones and use them in day to day life and in garrison.
You're so naive its hard to read. You clearly have no idea how small bits of information can amount to a massive intelligence advantage. A quick dig through your garbage can and I can find out deep personal things about you, not only the information available on paper like adresses, accounts, amounts, calculations, etc, but also trends like your interest in non-conflict-zone products, consumer activism, and possibly personal discourse between you and loved ones. And that's the easy way to get intel fast.
You can pretend you and everyone else out there has 100% COMSEC but the truth is that you don't, and people that are interested in you because of what they already know (position, employer, political interest, etc), can draw loads of interesting data from what you think is simple or pointless discourse. Even a talk with a coworker, not directly on subject, about how 'things are tough' can have serious business implications that corporate intelligence collectors can draw conclusions from.
I truly urge you to assess the reality of data collection. You clearly have no idea where threats exist or by what means vulnerabilities can be found. XP up!
Hey hey now... Most people that criticize Fox News aren't saying they shouldn't be allowed to lie all day. I think most people, knowing that most Fox viewers think it is real and thus respond in ways that have serious implications, would like Fox to be responsible for making it absolutely clear when they are not presenting hard facts. Akin to yelling 'fire' in a theater --- you can yell fire when there is a fire, and get the social implication response that comes --- but yelling 'fire' in a theater when there is no fire is dangerous and unethical.
The dangers of misleading people through lies is what matters. Simple declarations of when opinion or propaganda/misinformation enters the news would solve the problem for most critics.
Please move to China. 10% of Chinese farmland is contaminated with heavy metals.
Saving money costs you somewhere else. The disgusting thing is that the ridiculously relaxed environmental restrictions in China directly affect everyone else. Not that Joebob McCrandall paying $3 for 10 sets of underwear is even cognate enough to realize anything important like this.
I'd like to thank Walmart for my talking point.
I can't wait to hear bought conservatives back this telecom idea and say it will create US jobs and will be good for our economy.
Just because your life is not interesting from an espionage point of view does not mean everyone elses' is as well. It just means that you've got nothing people want to know.
-People, namely engineers, scientists, and businessmen, discussing any form of their work/research/business might care. -People that more vocally discuss negative aspects of the Chinese government. -Government employees talking about anything related to work (unclassified). -Meta-communication trends among US citizens that might not be as accessible. -People involved in forms of security. -Military members.
With quick brainstorm, you might have avoided being naive.
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That may be one reason to call it fiction, but the real reason is the absence of facts. No facts = fiction. People of faith don't like the stigma of these works being called fiction, but faith = belief in that which is absent of fact... the point being that if the bible was factual, the people who believed it would be caled scientists. They canot have faith and facts at the same time; the purposes of those words are mutually exclusive. Thus you can conclude this, faithful people believe ficton and by definition, rightly so; and stupid people think they should have faith but call it fact because they don't have an inteligent grasp of ther language.
No. The frequency by which China can be indicated in espionage is a tell of the size of their collection eforts.... MASSIVE.
You hear about espionage on their part every couple weeks. Nearly every espionage related incident originates from the same source. It is reckless to assume its because they have poor tradecraft and get caught. A better and more real assumption is that the freq of esp. Being caught is a tell of the overall size.
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Not that anyone is going to hold them accountable....
Apple's production line does massive environmental damage....
Nearly every employer most people reading this have worked for always has these little 'keep this on the downlow SOPs' for ways they get around regulations/rules.....
Yeah... like ethics ever mattered in the pursuit of cash.
On a global scale, the view of success is measured wrong; like the Mayo clinic, the rest of the world can be modeled --- success and recognition going to those who have improved human life, not to those who are good at getting money off people (immoral or otherwise).
U know its the change in microbial flora in the area, and immune response. I can bet tthey get it from coming to even the cleanest us city water, because our bugs (and their antigens) haven't been intrduced to the european dudes' gut yet.
Its more likely the change, not the quality. People survive we'll..
Probably not your latter point, many of the bottled water cmpanies are soda companies.
Lol. The game has neither. And many visually stunning games have great gameplay, this is what most people call a great game in more than one aspect.
Good thing I didn't say all deregulation is bad.
I roflmao'd when the headline in the linked article said "... looks gorgeous..." when in 2011 it looks like a wee made game in 2003. Hilarious. Most people won't see my humor and truth, though, because fanbois will vote me down for being right.
Time to dust off that wii for the one game this year you'll play?
Passively they do.
Libertarian ideology is such that a company could produce something that nearly ablates the world of mammals (including humans), and those who live through it are supposed to not buy the product and thus the market kills the company.
Libertarian ideology does not apply in a world where the damage a company an do may take years or decades to accrue (like BPA, hormone interference, long term environmental abuse) and the market response required to make sense would be 'immediate'.
Regulations are necessary because we don't want serious damage to happen BEFORE the market responds. We want to prevent the serious damage with the best scientific understandings of safety we have, and let the market respond to the products that come from our best knowledge of safe practices.
I disagree.
The distance that contracting places between a company and its actions is not so great a distance as compared to the company having done it themselves. Surely we could bounce analogies back and forth about cause, effect, demand, action, outsourcing, exploitative employ, etc etc...
But in the end it really comes down to this: Apple (and many other businesses) are directly responsible for contracting with firms that are known environmental abusers. The use of outsourced contracts may give the appearance of a distance from responsibility, but the actual real fact is that from start to finish, the product was made by dirty methods and they have known it all along. Its not like middle school children and high school dropouts don't already know what conditions these factories produce --- (now sarcasm) but oh, no, there is no way someone at Apple could have guessed it.... Yeah right... *roll eyes*
A company can have subsidiaries, or direct outsourcing, or whatever.... They are still part of it, if not the main cause of it. The same goes for US companies selling toys manufactured in China that have heavy metals in the paints and harm our kids... If you ask them to make your product, but you've got no questions, or tests, or safeguards, and even though everything about the history of similar chinese manufacturing tells you it is dirty (like I said, even young teens know this fact), its YOUR fault that its dirty when you sold it.
Analogy for you analogizers: If I sell food, and it turns out the people growing it are being tortured to produce it nearly for free, yet I have been sourcing the food from a place where slavery and torture is widely understood to happen, there is hardly a distance you can place between me and the fact that my food comes from said place with said problems.
If you know who I referred to, you can't logically claim their actions to be passive (and thus worthless as you imply).
I would rather be peaceful and lead by positive example, directing change in perspective and social memes, than to act by force and garner the faux-respect from people that despotism actually garners.
Cant we all do the same thing... And not call it a crime? Their corporate persons did exactly what everyone else does. They made use of someones product; the product, a creative form, is copyable, and as we see here, so beit, to all persons. My band has no serious expectation of profit : we want people to listen and enjoy us.
Who is the 'you' that you're saying I am? Please define so I can help clear up your perception.
I'm akin to the Gandhi and Dalai Lama, politically.
My question was rhetorical, posing sarcasm at old-english in modern legalese, demonstrating a point that laws COULD be clear and common in language, but are not.
Who is 'Thou'?
Is there any expectation that legal terms be written in a language that people use?
There is another option.... people will be forced to avoid sites that have a ToS that is more than a couple sentences long. Nobody has the time, or the lawyers, necessary to fully understand these crappy terms anyway... Everyone assumes that if they do right by any normal civil expectation, that they won't be in trouble.
Again, business wins. Thanks for nothing, Obama. I'm glad you didn't pretend to be pro-life and do nothing about it like a Republican, but you did pretend to be for the people, and have done almost nothing about it.
Laws should work FOR the people whose government represents them.
This whole fiasco reminds me, clearly, that business has priority over citizens in the US. Getting sick of this place more and more as the constitution and the purpose of our government has faded into the corrupt benefit of greed and exploit.
No. AFAIK if they don't give ownership of the shares back, they get to see their company ownership grow, even if they are fired.
.... be fired and get rich (and maybe an employer that respects me), than to be forced to sell the valuable stocks that I personally contributed success to.
In truth, those with pre-IPO stocks are the foundation of the success for the company; what we are seeing is absolute disrespect to those who are responsible for the success.
There is a big difference between the barriers to collection with or without direct access. Dismissing my point for your reason is the same as missing the point altogether.
There is nothing good to come of letting the current most proliferate information collecting body (by far) emplace major telecommunications infrastructure directly where the majority of their collection efforts are focused.
I didn't say that. I said Military members. Servicemen are free to get cellphones and use them in day to day life and in garrison.
You're so naive its hard to read. You clearly have no idea how small bits of information can amount to a massive intelligence advantage. A quick dig through your garbage can and I can find out deep personal things about you, not only the information available on paper like adresses, accounts, amounts, calculations, etc, but also trends like your interest in non-conflict-zone products, consumer activism, and possibly personal discourse between you and loved ones. And that's the easy way to get intel fast.
You can pretend you and everyone else out there has 100% COMSEC but the truth is that you don't, and people that are interested in you because of what they already know (position, employer, political interest, etc), can draw loads of interesting data from what you think is simple or pointless discourse. Even a talk with a coworker, not directly on subject, about how 'things are tough' can have serious business implications that corporate intelligence collectors can draw conclusions from.
I truly urge you to assess the reality of data collection. You clearly have no idea where threats exist or by what means vulnerabilities can be found. XP up!
Hey hey now... Most people that criticize Fox News aren't saying they shouldn't be allowed to lie all day. I think most people, knowing that most Fox viewers think it is real and thus respond in ways that have serious implications, would like Fox to be responsible for making it absolutely clear when they are not presenting hard facts. Akin to yelling 'fire' in a theater --- you can yell fire when there is a fire, and get the social implication response that comes --- but yelling 'fire' in a theater when there is no fire is dangerous and unethical.
The dangers of misleading people through lies is what matters. Simple declarations of when opinion or propaganda/misinformation enters the news would solve the problem for most critics.
Please move to China. 10% of Chinese farmland is contaminated with heavy metals.
Saving money costs you somewhere else. The disgusting thing is that the ridiculously relaxed environmental restrictions in China directly affect everyone else. Not that Joebob McCrandall paying $3 for 10 sets of underwear is even cognate enough to realize anything important like this.
I'd like to thank Walmart for my talking point.
I can't wait to hear bought conservatives back this telecom idea and say it will create US jobs and will be good for our economy.
Just because your life is not interesting from an espionage point of view does not mean everyone elses' is as well. It just means that you've got nothing people want to know.
Who cares?
-People, namely engineers, scientists, and businessmen, discussing any form of their work/research/business might care.
-People that more vocally discuss negative aspects of the Chinese government.
-Government employees talking about anything related to work (unclassified).
-Meta-communication trends among US citizens that might not be as accessible.
-People involved in forms of security.
-Military members.
With quick brainstorm, you might have avoided being naive.