No way... the truth I there is tons of technology that our military uses that only those with a need to know are usually aware of.
We spend 1.8 trillion on the military industrial complex per year from taxes, and that isn't including DoD budgets or pentagon budgets. Damn straight we're gonna have crazy technology that people aren't aware of. Most civilians have no idea what we even amount to in this field, and most soldiers won't even see or hear about the tech they don't directly work with.
Step back into reality, please. Everything on the net is public and it is reckless to think you've got any security at all even in the most 'secure' places.
Also, please work on reading comprehension. Not all what YOU ASSUME to be implied is implied - nothing I wrote is akin to the poor example you gave. Try reading it AGAIN without your assumptions... Good luck, because I can tell you've already decided what it says, lol.
Put an image on your PC and be connected to the internet... and the government can get it one way or another.. or show up at your house and take your stuff. Let me guess, you've got some 'plan' where you run some quickly crafted batch file to delete stuff right when they're banging the doors in.... haha.. yeah right.
If the government ever had interest in what you are doing it never took facebook to find it all out.
As I said before, it is totally voluntary. The internet in all its forms and security layers should always be considered public domain. Do you realize your slashdot debates and quips are adding to your portfolio?
Also, your response to my #2 assumes way too much. What I said was true... What you think I implied -- that privacy is for criminals -- is not at all what I said. What I said is true, read it without your assumed implications and in the thought process regarding TFA.
The extra funny thing is that 1) Its voluntary, and 2) most people on facebook aren't thinking of themselves as criminals with things to hide.
People VOLUNTARILY share this information. Sure its a society where privacy can be beneficial, but this *society* is actually very social. People are driven to share their lives with each other, and while many a smirk is made by joking about the uselessness of facebook, the truth is we are drawn towards it like a magnet of interest! The truth is, the people on facebook aren't afraid of being called a 'criminal' because they probably don't consider themselves as such.
Now there might even be criminals using facebook to their own demise... Who knows... But unlike Assanage, most of us are living our lives without fear of some repercussion. And as we desire, we socialize.
Once Corporations and Government become the same thing -- maybe its too late to undo anything and we'll all get our tattoos and serial numbers... I just used the last of my tinfoil on a nice dinner, so... well... so much for worrying about being made out 'bad', lol.
The video i am trying to remember how to search for is of similar length, maybe 10 minutes -- but it does construe a more generalized approach to simplicity. Sorry I can't find it.
wow... well it sounds like YOU are a piece of trash person and have no purpose in the 'we the people' that is going on in what people-working-together often call democratic nations.
It's more of a shame to have people like you than people who have questions or are abused deliberately. You're a shame. Get me? You're a shame.
Now please be warned in a foreign language of something that would be important to your life... I'm wishing karma in your direction. Let me guess.... you don't give a crap.
There is a TED talk that clearly demonstrates this issue. The guy talks about how public announcements are ridiculously worded and obfuscated deliberately to dissuade public involvement in community development, and other issues where the public is supposed to be involved.
While I cannot find that video, please enjoy this one of a very related topic.
There is no shame in the suit. You assume too much of people. Most people hardly have the time to ask questions or learn legalese or pay lawyers to read all the paperwork they somehow get involved in. The problem is that the product and its sales people deliberately obfuscate, misrepresent, or outright lie about these isues and most people for th aforementioned reasons are none the wiser.
The truth is, these companies tracking and profiting from this data actually assumed people like you would never notice or do anythin about it... or in your case, side with them against your felow citizens for lack of understanding or emapthy.
Once they release the data to anyone, they might as well assume it can go anywhere.
One has to wonder why TomTom didn't just innovate better or charge more if they wanted more revenue. I say this because I'm pretty confident that most people I know owning TomToms and other GPS devices are under the belief that the data is coming to them, not going to tomtom -- and that they would be pretty offended to know that ANYTHING is being done with their location data.
The notion that businesses think these kinds of practices are even at all acceptable is absurd to me, and makes clearer the reasons why we need extremely powerful consumer protection laws that actually have teeth. I would prefer we had a consumer protection against any of this kind of activity and that 1) TomTom never did this, or 2) is going bankrupt thanks to fines and its heads facing 5-10 in prison for permitting it.
1) Take 'anonymized' data of car speeding on given interstate at 7:35 pm, changing lanes at point 'X'. 2) Review traffic camera tape on given interstate at 7:35 pm, looking for the car that lane changes at point 'X' 3) Freeze frame. 4) Observe license plate. 5) thanks tom tom
STFU TOM TOM. If you actually wanted it anonymous, you wouldn't be sharing it at all.
Apparently you missed the last line and the point of my whole argument -- that being that because the utopian existence that would be required for you to not actually face 'reasons' doesn't exist. The reality being that if you don't make efforts to protect your own countrymen you will be faced with consequence of some sort -- consequence that you may be ignorant to, but consequence nonetheless. And from there, the difference is the choice between that consequence or not. Like I said, protect me (your fellow citizens) or support me with your taxes. I guess you're not really thinking into it very much...
Because the utopian balance of resource and interdependence that your 'stupid question' assumes DOES NOT YET EXIST.
Reality is here right now. Quit dreaming.
Didn't you ever learn that you're supposed to reach for your dreams, not pretend they are real? Yes. I want whole world normalization and balance. But it isn't here yet and reality keeps pecking at our lives. Protect me not, support me with welfare - this is reality.
You could *always* intercept the signals from the air. Since when did anyone think sending their calls through the air would only go to the desired place?
BMW, Mercedes, etc, are sold to higher paying markets where the cost to the consumer is less important. I should remind you that a BMW in europe costs WAY less, about as much as a ford sedan. I lived in italy for two years and happily owned a BMW M5 at WAY less cost than you would ever own one in the US.
The point I was making is that Japanese (and now Chinese) autos would go for even cheaper and would have severely undercut our own vehicles in cost. The european cars would be of much more comparable cost than being higher..... And the end result would be a nearly complete adoption to purchasing foreign vehicles.
From what I can garner, you would be glad with that outcome. But your shortsighted approach to economics is in the point of sale. You are focused on the consumer savings at that moment. The actual cost comes in to play when hundreds of thousands of US automobile manufacturing employees are no longer employed. Not only do you now have LOTS of families that are out of work, but those that are skilled in that work are now flooding the other related markets with worker-supply. Since the related markets are likely not seeing a big increase in demand, that excess supply in skilled labor ends up devaluing the labor as a whole -- those that are currently employed are lucky to see raises because they can now be easily replaced by the unemployed auto workers that are now eager just to have an income.
The net result is that nations of low economic resource have an exploitative advantage over their people, or at least a relative advantage in cost of living (china vs india). And in both cases, their products are simply cheaper to produce. Their products are cheap to them, but should not be cheap to us. This drives the cost of goods up, but it retains our ECONOMY local. This means that when you buy shoes, your neighbor was part of the company, and then he buys the toaster you made.
Right now, thanks to outsourcing/insourcing and globalization, the US is rapidly sending its wealth OUTSIDE of the country. And even though our corporations are growing off the cheap labor and products, our PEOPLE are suffering from the net loss. The loss is visible in this data here.
I'm still curious how the net export of our economy is not yet obvious to you. If you pay your neighbor to fix your PC, he has a job and pays taxes and buys your kids' lemonade. If you pay an Indian to fix it remotely, your money leaves and likely won't be coming back. Many industrialized/westernized nations use tariffs, and we do still to some degree --- the issue is that the degree to which we apply it is not appropriate to protect our people and economy as a whole. You can see that Germany and the Netherlands clearly have it balanced in their favor.
Standing by for all the frivolous and completely ignorant lawsuits and claims that these devices cause cancer, disturb sleep, cause depression, etc etc etc.......gotta love watching people who have no grasp of how things work start coming up with 'reasons'. Sure, its a pain that actual trials are held and so many people get pwned by science, but its sure fun to read about!
Outsourcing/Insourcing isn't the only culprit, but by the end of this 57 minute demonstration you should more clearly understand how and why wages for skilled employees have halted since the mid 70s, and thus becoming extremely devalued in the face of inflation.
Our parents made way more in respect to what we make now; and while their day to day goods costed more, at least they could afford to provide for a family of four with one trade or college education related job.
Protecting our human resources is necessary. We can't all move to India, can we? (Many have speculated that the recent sitcom series 'outsourced' is actually a social-political push to make light and common what is actually a serious issue that is rapidly destroying the necessary foundation to keep us on our feet).
Pffftt.... you clearly have no grasp of how international trade is carried out and how nationalized and localized economies play out. It isn't even something of my regular purview but at least I understand what tarriffs do so I'm not as boldly ignorant like you, denouncing them in the face of the obvious truth. Point to more anecdotal crap, lets see how much I believe it... lol.
Didn't you pay attention in economics? Don't you realize that US automobiles wouldn't exist at all if we didn't tax foreign cheap cars? Use your noggin, look around your room, and see where tarrifs actually worked.
"tariffs don't fix anything" sounds pretty dumb with about 30 seconds of looking around and thinking.
True, but it negates that feeling of powerlessness and hopelessness because you see cheats, liers, frauds and charlatans rake in money on your back.
WTF? Doing wrong for more money wouldn't negate, it would equate. You clearly missed the point. Doing wrong for money would put you right on the same level as those you see around you doing the same. That isn't negation, it is equation. You become the scum, too.
Slashdot Mirror
We are in Pakistan with cooperation, not invasion. Your idea is retarded.
No way... the truth I there is tons of technology that our military uses that only those with a need to know are usually aware of.
We spend 1.8 trillion on the military industrial complex per year from taxes, and that isn't including DoD budgets or pentagon budgets. Damn straight we're gonna have crazy technology that people aren't aware of. Most civilians have no idea what we even amount to in this field, and most soldiers won't even see or hear about the tech they don't directly work with.
We pay for it, that's for sure.
Here.. let me make things obvious:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/05/05/1831217/LastPass-Pasword-Service-Hacked
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/27/142238/77-Million-Accounts-Stolen-From-Playstation-Network
or better yet... http://yro.slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=security+breach ..............
Oh right... SUING people gets all your data back... You're totally secure! Lol. Welcome to reality. It is all accessible.
Step back into reality, please. Everything on the net is public and it is reckless to think you've got any security at all even in the most 'secure' places.
Also, please work on reading comprehension. Not all what YOU ASSUME to be implied is implied - nothing I wrote is akin to the poor example you gave. Try reading it AGAIN without your assumptions... Good luck, because I can tell you've already decided what it says, lol.
Put an image on your PC and be connected to the internet... and the government can get it one way or another.. or show up at your house and take your stuff. Let me guess, you've got some 'plan' where you run some quickly crafted batch file to delete stuff right when they're banging the doors in.... haha.. yeah right.
If the government ever had interest in what you are doing it never took facebook to find it all out.
As I said before, it is totally voluntary. The internet in all its forms and security layers should always be considered public domain. Do you realize your slashdot debates and quips are adding to your portfolio?
Also, your response to my #2 assumes way too much. What I said was true... What you think I implied -- that privacy is for criminals -- is not at all what I said. What I said is true, read it without your assumed implications and in the thought process regarding TFA.
The extra funny thing is that 1) Its voluntary, and 2) most people on facebook aren't thinking of themselves as criminals with things to hide.
People VOLUNTARILY share this information. Sure its a society where privacy can be beneficial, but this *society* is actually very social. People are driven to share their lives with each other, and while many a smirk is made by joking about the uselessness of facebook, the truth is we are drawn towards it like a magnet of interest! The truth is, the people on facebook aren't afraid of being called a 'criminal' because they probably don't consider themselves as such.
Now there might even be criminals using facebook to their own demise... Who knows... But unlike Assanage, most of us are living our lives without fear of some repercussion. And as we desire, we socialize.
Once Corporations and Government become the same thing -- maybe its too late to undo anything and we'll all get our tattoos and serial numbers... I just used the last of my tinfoil on a nice dinner, so... well... so much for worrying about being made out 'bad', lol.
Oh yes they are. They serve me and you and they owe us a good job, else be gone.
The video i am trying to remember how to search for is of similar length, maybe 10 minutes -- but it does construe a more generalized approach to simplicity. Sorry I can't find it.
I would hope something this blatant would end up with the judge not working anymore. THANKS FOR NOTHING PUBLIC SERVANT!
wow... well it sounds like YOU are a piece of trash person and have no purpose in the 'we the people' that is going on in what people-working-together often call democratic nations.
It's more of a shame to have people like you than people who have questions or are abused deliberately. You're a shame. Get me? You're a shame.
Now please be warned in a foreign language of something that would be important to your life... I'm wishing karma in your direction. Let me guess.... you don't give a crap.
There is a TED talk that clearly demonstrates this issue. The guy talks about how public announcements are ridiculously worded and obfuscated deliberately to dissuade public involvement in community development, and other issues where the public is supposed to be involved.
While I cannot find that video, please enjoy this one of a very related topic.
http://www.ted.com/talks/alan_siegel_let_s_simplify_legal_jargon.html
The data you mention is momentary. The issue is that it is recorded and shared. I'm glad to inform you of the difference.
There is no shame in the suit. You assume too much of people. Most people hardly have the time to ask questions or learn legalese or pay lawyers to read all the paperwork they somehow get involved in. The problem is that the product and its sales people deliberately obfuscate, misrepresent, or outright lie about these isues and most people for th aforementioned reasons are none the wiser.
The truth is, these companies tracking and profiting from this data actually assumed people like you would never notice or do anythin about it... or in your case, side with them against your felow citizens for lack of understanding or emapthy.
Once they release the data to anyone, they might as well assume it can go anywhere.
One has to wonder why TomTom didn't just innovate better or charge more if they wanted more revenue. I say this because I'm pretty confident that most people I know owning TomToms and other GPS devices are under the belief that the data is coming to them, not going to tomtom -- and that they would be pretty offended to know that ANYTHING is being done with their location data.
The notion that businesses think these kinds of practices are even at all acceptable is absurd to me, and makes clearer the reasons why we need extremely powerful consumer protection laws that actually have teeth. I would prefer we had a consumer protection against any of this kind of activity and that 1) TomTom never did this, or 2) is going bankrupt thanks to fines and its heads facing 5-10 in prison for permitting it.
Lol.... yeah.... fixing simple problems with complex answers is totally a good idea.... LOL. NOT!
B.S.!
1) Take 'anonymized' data of car speeding on given interstate at 7:35 pm, changing lanes at point 'X'.
2) Review traffic camera tape on given interstate at 7:35 pm, looking for the car that lane changes at point 'X'
3) Freeze frame.
4) Observe license plate.
5) thanks tom tom
STFU TOM TOM. If you actually wanted it anonymous, you wouldn't be sharing it at all.
Apparently you missed the last line and the point of my whole argument -- that being that because the utopian existence that would be required for you to not actually face 'reasons' doesn't exist. The reality being that if you don't make efforts to protect your own countrymen you will be faced with consequence of some sort -- consequence that you may be ignorant to, but consequence nonetheless. And from there, the difference is the choice between that consequence or not. Like I said, protect me (your fellow citizens) or support me with your taxes. I guess you're not really thinking into it very much...
I could track you all day with a small team.
Because the utopian balance of resource and interdependence that your 'stupid question' assumes DOES NOT YET EXIST.
Reality is here right now. Quit dreaming.
Didn't you ever learn that you're supposed to reach for your dreams, not pretend they are real? Yes. I want whole world normalization and balance. But it isn't here yet and reality keeps pecking at our lives. Protect me not, support me with welfare - this is reality.
You could *always* intercept the signals from the air. Since when did anyone think sending their calls through the air would only go to the desired place?
BMW, Mercedes, etc, are sold to higher paying markets where the cost to the consumer is less important. I should remind you that a BMW in europe costs WAY less, about as much as a ford sedan. I lived in italy for two years and happily owned a BMW M5 at WAY less cost than you would ever own one in the US.
The point I was making is that Japanese (and now Chinese) autos would go for even cheaper and would have severely undercut our own vehicles in cost. The european cars would be of much more comparable cost than being higher..... And the end result would be a nearly complete adoption to purchasing foreign vehicles.
From what I can garner, you would be glad with that outcome. But your shortsighted approach to economics is in the point of sale. You are focused on the consumer savings at that moment. The actual cost comes in to play when hundreds of thousands of US automobile manufacturing employees are no longer employed. Not only do you now have LOTS of families that are out of work, but those that are skilled in that work are now flooding the other related markets with worker-supply. Since the related markets are likely not seeing a big increase in demand, that excess supply in skilled labor ends up devaluing the labor as a whole -- those that are currently employed are lucky to see raises because they can now be easily replaced by the unemployed auto workers that are now eager just to have an income.
The net result is that nations of low economic resource have an exploitative advantage over their people, or at least a relative advantage in cost of living (china vs india). And in both cases, their products are simply cheaper to produce. Their products are cheap to them, but should not be cheap to us. This drives the cost of goods up, but it retains our ECONOMY local. This means that when you buy shoes, your neighbor was part of the company, and then he buys the toaster you made.
Right now, thanks to outsourcing/insourcing and globalization, the US is rapidly sending its wealth OUTSIDE of the country. And even though our corporations are growing off the cheap labor and products, our PEOPLE are suffering from the net loss. The loss is visible in this data here.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html
I'm still curious how the net export of our economy is not yet obvious to you. If you pay your neighbor to fix your PC, he has a job and pays taxes and buys your kids' lemonade. If you pay an Indian to fix it remotely, your money leaves and likely won't be coming back. Many industrialized/westernized nations use tariffs, and we do still to some degree --- the issue is that the degree to which we apply it is not appropriate to protect our people and economy as a whole. You can see that Germany and the Netherlands clearly have it balanced in their favor.
Thanks for playing.
Standing by for all the frivolous and completely ignorant lawsuits and claims that these devices cause cancer, disturb sleep, cause depression, etc etc etc.... ...gotta love watching people who have no grasp of how things work start coming up with 'reasons'. Sure, its a pain that actual trials are held and so many people get pwned by science, but its sure fun to read about!
I urge you to watch the presentation by Elizabeth Warren on youtube about the death of the middle class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A
Outsourcing/Insourcing isn't the only culprit, but by the end of this 57 minute demonstration you should more clearly understand how and why wages for skilled employees have halted since the mid 70s, and thus becoming extremely devalued in the face of inflation.
Our parents made way more in respect to what we make now; and while their day to day goods costed more, at least they could afford to provide for a family of four with one trade or college education related job.
Protecting our human resources is necessary. We can't all move to India, can we? (Many have speculated that the recent sitcom series 'outsourced' is actually a social-political push to make light and common what is actually a serious issue that is rapidly destroying the necessary foundation to keep us on our feet).
Pffftt.... you clearly have no grasp of how international trade is carried out and how nationalized and localized economies play out. It isn't even something of my regular purview but at least I understand what tarriffs do so I'm not as boldly ignorant like you, denouncing them in the face of the obvious truth. Point to more anecdotal crap, lets see how much I believe it... lol.
Didn't you pay attention in economics? Don't you realize that US automobiles wouldn't exist at all if we didn't tax foreign cheap cars? Use your noggin, look around your room, and see where tarrifs actually worked.
"tariffs don't fix anything" sounds pretty dumb with about 30 seconds of looking around and thinking.
Money can't buy integrity.
True, but it negates that feeling of powerlessness and hopelessness because you see cheats, liers, frauds and charlatans rake in money on your back.
WTF? Doing wrong for more money wouldn't negate, it would equate. You clearly missed the point. Doing wrong for money would put you right on the same level as those you see around you doing the same. That isn't negation, it is equation. You become the scum, too.