Except that's exactly what this discussion is about. "They" want to tell you what's rational for you to believe by labeling some things as "fake news".
Journalism? What journalism? The talking heads were drinking buddies with the political elite. Do you honestly believe there's any actual journalism happening in the MSM?
Maybe TPTB know we're nearly there. Why else would Hillary be provoking Russia into war? They realize the facade of the world economy is crumbling and want to clear out the riff raff before they realize what's happening.
You've really given this topic a lot of thought, and I want to compliment you on your contribution to this discussion. It's a topic I think about at times, mostly as a thought.experiment, but also because it's something we're going to have to face over the next several decades.
I'll have to give your information in your sig a read sometime.
And scream they should. Some government programs cause perverse behavior. (I don't mean perverse in a sexual way, but in an unintended consequences sort of way)
My brother and his "wife" (they actually used to be married, but got divorced) have two kids. They never got remarried, and frankly they don't want to because she gets a lot of government money for being a single mother. The ridiculous system we have now encourages/discourages certain behaviors.
No inflation? No consumer inflation maybe, but asset inflation definitely. The stock market went nuts and home prices are just about back to bubble levels.
Disclaimer: I'm a libertarian who doesn't like the idea of something for nothing, but also believes some form of BI will happen in the future due to necessity.
I make a pretty good income currently as an IT Manager. I figure as long as I'm going to work I might as well make good money doing it, so that's why I do this instead of flipping burgers for 40 hours per week. But I'm also a very lazy person. If I could make enough money to live and not have to work ever again, I'd be tempted to accept a lower lifestyle and have a lot of free time. You can't deny that there is a percentage of people for whom that would hold true.
That 'trust' comes from the productivity of the American economy. If there were truly NO backing, then the world wouldn't want USD. It's backed by something, it's just that the something is somewhat intangible.
Hey fucknut, if US GDP couldn't support $20,000/yr per person, then how is it possible that anyone makes more than $20,000/yr? Median househould income is over $52,000/yr you dumbass.
Ignore s.petry, he's a goddam moron. He thinks US GDP is 5 trillion when in fact it's more than triple that number. He's an idiot and spreading his stupidity like a disease in this conversation.
Jesus fucking christ you moron, US GDP is almost almost 17 Trillion you fucktard. The goddamn federal budget is around 4 trillion, and that's without UBI.
You completely fail to understand the concept. You don't get UBI for making specific choices, everyone gets UBI. Period. What you choose to do after that is your business. If you want to live in hip popular areas, good for you, get a job so you can afford it. If you don't want to work, then yes you get to pick up and move to where your UBI is a sufficient amount of money for survival.
Are you shitting me? Local government is the most oppressive? Are you going to claim that US local governments have a combined yearly budget of $around 4Trillion? Do local governments wage war around the world? Who is preventing more expansion these days, local governments or the EPA? Where are business regulations done, locally or federally?
Libertarians are all about eliminating oppressive laws at all levels of government. Who do you think is fighting for removing prohibitions on drugs or when alcohol can be sold or when businesses can and cannot be open?
Fucktards like you who haven't got a clue are part of the reason libertarians get smeared online. You're either a partisan liar, willfully ignorant or utterly stupid.
So, ummm... Hitler? Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? Those names ring any bells? Government is never to be trusted. It may be a necessary evil, but it's definitely evil.
I'm a libertarian who, while against the idea of people getting something for contributing nothing, understands that realities of automation may force us into some kind of UBI model.
I believe it's in our future in some form, the trick is going to be getting it right.
Despite being made without labor costs, presumably there's still some scarcity. At it's core, an economy is really just a system for managing the distribution of scarce goods. So if goods are still scarce, then some sort of credit system is still required.
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It's a pretty big assumption that memories would survive the freezing process.
Except that's exactly what this discussion is about. "They" want to tell you what's rational for you to believe by labeling some things as "fake news".
Why not? Democrats are still blaming Bush.
Journalism? What journalism? The talking heads were drinking buddies with the political elite. Do you honestly believe there's any actual journalism happening in the MSM?
"Remember, it's illegal to read Wikileaks."
Clapper, is that you?
Maybe TPTB know we're nearly there. Why else would Hillary be provoking Russia into war? They realize the facade of the world economy is crumbling and want to clear out the riff raff before they realize what's happening.
OK, taking my tin foil off now...
UBI is not post-money.
Thumbs up for thinking about this with a level head!
Signed,
A fellow libertarian who has considered the idea that UBI may be the future
You've really given this topic a lot of thought, and I want to compliment you on your contribution to this discussion. It's a topic I think about at times, mostly as a thought.experiment, but also because it's something we're going to have to face over the next several decades.
I'll have to give your information in your sig a read sometime.
Cheers!
BoberFett
And scream they should. Some government programs cause perverse behavior. (I don't mean perverse in a sexual way, but in an unintended consequences sort of way)
My brother and his "wife" (they actually used to be married, but got divorced) have two kids. They never got remarried, and frankly they don't want to because she gets a lot of government money for being a single mother. The ridiculous system we have now encourages/discourages certain behaviors.
No inflation? No consumer inflation maybe, but asset inflation definitely. The stock market went nuts and home prices are just about back to bubble levels.
Disclaimer: I'm a libertarian who doesn't like the idea of something for nothing, but also believes some form of BI will happen in the future due to necessity.
I make a pretty good income currently as an IT Manager. I figure as long as I'm going to work I might as well make good money doing it, so that's why I do this instead of flipping burgers for 40 hours per week. But I'm also a very lazy person. If I could make enough money to live and not have to work ever again, I'd be tempted to accept a lower lifestyle and have a lot of free time. You can't deny that there is a percentage of people for whom that would hold true.
That 'trust' comes from the productivity of the American economy. If there were truly NO backing, then the world wouldn't want USD. It's backed by something, it's just that the something is somewhat intangible.
Hey fucknut, if US GDP couldn't support $20,000/yr per person, then how is it possible that anyone makes more than $20,000/yr? Median househould income is over $52,000/yr you dumbass.
Ignore s.petry, he's a goddam moron. He thinks US GDP is 5 trillion when in fact it's more than triple that number. He's an idiot and spreading his stupidity like a disease in this conversation.
You dipshit, you can't even look up basic facts. You probably shouldn't criticize others when you think US GDP is 5 Trillion you shit eating moron.
Jesus fucking christ you moron, US GDP is almost almost 17 Trillion you fucktard. The goddamn federal budget is around 4 trillion, and that's without UBI.
Stop talking you fucking idiot.
You're talking to a brick wall here, this guy doesn't get it.
You completely fail to understand the concept. You don't get UBI for making specific choices, everyone gets UBI. Period. What you choose to do after that is your business. If you want to live in hip popular areas, good for you, get a job so you can afford it. If you don't want to work, then yes you get to pick up and move to where your UBI is a sufficient amount of money for survival.
Are you shitting me? Local government is the most oppressive? Are you going to claim that US local governments have a combined yearly budget of $around 4Trillion? Do local governments wage war around the world? Who is preventing more expansion these days, local governments or the EPA? Where are business regulations done, locally or federally?
Libertarians are all about eliminating oppressive laws at all levels of government. Who do you think is fighting for removing prohibitions on drugs or when alcohol can be sold or when businesses can and cannot be open?
Fucktards like you who haven't got a clue are part of the reason libertarians get smeared online. You're either a partisan liar, willfully ignorant or utterly stupid.
So, ummm... Hitler? Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? Those names ring any bells? Government is never to be trusted. It may be a necessary evil, but it's definitely evil.
People on the internet are, by and large, morons.
I'm a libertarian who, while against the idea of people getting something for contributing nothing, understands that realities of automation may force us into some kind of UBI model.
I believe it's in our future in some form, the trick is going to be getting it right.
Despite being made without labor costs, presumably there's still some scarcity. At it's core, an economy is really just a system for managing the distribution of scarce goods. So if goods are still scarce, then some sort of credit system is still required.
LOL, right, it's the scary libertarians. After all, what near-anarchist wouldn't want to sign up to belong to of as many governments as they can.
Some of you slashdot idiots and your straw manning of libertarians is amusing.